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The Revolution Will Not Be Crocheted, Preserved, or Canned. Or, Hey, Maybe It Will, But If So…

some of us may be shit out of luck.

Basically, Kim of Bastante Already! has this piece ruminating about her lack of affinity for the traditional womanly arts.

Amid her notes that she hates gardening and cooking and simply doesn’t have the wherewithal for making a beautiful “nest” right now, she asks,

In damn near every feminist periodical (Bitch, Bust) and on many feminist blogs, there’s this big, trendy push to get all Knitty and Crafty and Womanly Arts with our bad selves.
What is up with that?

Well, a few different things are up with that…

The most immediate answer to that particular question, at the Bitch, Bust, popcult etc. level, I think it’s just the same thing that’s been true of any number of other “trends:” stuff like knitting groups and gardening clubs become popular for more or less the same reason that stuff like sex toy parties or pole dancing classes becomes popular. Because, well, they involve activities that a lot of people find–dreaded word–“fun.” And yeah, one could file preferences for such things into “patriarchal conditioning” (as opposed to, say, a womens’ auto-mechanic club, I guess); truth is, I think it’s more, “we maybe eschewed these things because we were concerned about what it all Means, or it wasn’t available in our neck of the woods, or it simply never occured to us before; when we let that go some of us realized, hey, I kind of like this, it’s not what I thought it would be, and actually there are various benefits to this (mentally and physically engaging, develops various skills, social, relaxing, possibly good ol’ fashioned small-business venture capitalism in some cases). Personally, I think: hey, and if men want to enjoy these “traditional womanly arts” too, more power to ’em.

None of this is probably “radical” in any sense of the word (not that there’s anything wrong with that); for a start, here we are probably mostly talking about how you say, “hobbies,” which in itself comes with a lot of assumptions about the hobbiest’s resources, spare time, general position in the grand scheme of things. More to the point, it’s probably not going to fundamentally overhaul one’s total way of life and being, much less the greater society; it’s not meant to do so.

What’s more overarching is the vision of, well for one, cultural feminism:

Many cultural feminists support their arguments by examining the behavior of women in both the distant past and the present. Bachoffen’s groundbreaking work on early matriarchal societies is often used as evidence that women were the earliest and most important members of society. [3] In societies led by women, or “matriarchies,” there are vastly different rules governing sexuality and marriage, property inheritance, and the distribution of power than those rules operative in societies led by men, or “patriarchies.” When women have greater social control than men, less stringent social sanctions are imposed on female sexual activities and choice of partners. Illegitimacy is absent, and inheritance and descent are organized through female ancestors. Matriarchal societies are generally nonmilitaristic, with the dramatic exception of Amazons. Religion, arts, and crafts are organized around female symbols of fertility and anatomy. Engels took the archaeological evidence developed by Bachofen and Morgan and extended their analyses to include changing economic conditions as a cause for the transition from matriarchal societies to patriarchal ones. [4] Succinctly, Engels’ argument is that as men accumulated capital, because of technological and social inventions, they altered the norms controlling sexuality, the family, and government. Women became a commodity of exchange who supplied men with both status and heirs. Recent anthropological evidence largely supports the existence of early societies where women had significantly greater power than they do today.

In short, what it boils down to, roughly, is a belief that matriarchy is the once and future Way to Go. It also is the basic premise behind such things as the “back to the land” movement within feminism(s) (there are and have been many “back to the land” movements, of course. We’ll get to that).

And you know, in theory, I have to say, I always had a soft spot for this, the basic idea. There’s a fair strain of it within neo-paganism, for instance, in which stream I paddle and occasionally do a few laps, although I lean more Phyllis Curott than Z. Budapest. I’ve been moved byJudy Grahn. I dig Riane Eisler. I dunno how literally to take the herstory/prehistory, but at a certain level, I think, provided one is -not- a fundamentalist, it doesn’t much matter: the importance of myth is not that it’s literally true, it’s. Point being: if one both believes that one is living in an overarching System, i.e. the Patriarchy, and that further this system is inimical and cannot be salvaged, well, what’s the alternative? Well–Matriarchy, I suppose, for one. Which could mean any number of things; in my fondly vague imaginings, I had always pictured something more like the bonobos than, say, a beehive.

On the other hand..

Well, to bring us back to the whole, “traditional womanly arts” thing.

See, if you are adamant that these traditional womanly arts are “traditionally womens‘” and should STAY such, on account of men and women are different and that’s really really important,

to me, it kind of doesn’t matter so much that, in this particular framing, those neglected “womanly” values–hearth, home, gentleness, peace was a big one–are in fact superior, which sets this worldview apart from the more right-wing movements that put such emphasis on men and women are really different, ’twas ever thus, shall always be. Because, once you have that essential…essentialism, well…sooner or later, inevitably, it’s going to mean that someone ends up in a (yes, this IS what “gender” means) gendered box that sie doesn’t feel comfortable in. Also it keeps this sort of endless binary war-of-the-sexes going, which personally I’ve always found sort of tedious.

But also, all of which, to me, kind of goes against the whole, “liberty, equality…fraternity.” Sorority, even. It’s one thing to buy (I do) that certain values and behaviors that have been coded as “female” or “feminine” or “yin” or whatever you like are, by and large, looked down upon, in this culture, and that this is a problem. It’s another to insist that those values, behaviors, etc. are the -sole property- of female-chromosomed/genital’d/even identified persons.

Curiously enough, fundamentalist Christian women can sound some familiar notes amid the o-my-Lord-what-are-things-coming-to-why-does-no-one-respect-Godly-AUTHORITAH:

According to this plan, who was to teach the womanly arts? Who was to teach the young women how to love and be subject to their husbands, how to love their children, how to be sensible, how to be pure, how to be a worker at home, how to be kind within the home and to extend kindness from the home? It was the older women. The womanly arts were to be transmitted from the older women to the younger women.

Please note that no male was assigned this task…

… Beyond the obvious impropriety of male involvement one must question the value of male instruction in the womanly arts. The simple question is: What do men really know about the womanly arts anyway?

What man has ever birthed a baby? What man has ever nursed a child? What man has ever related as mother to a child for even one day, let alone twenty years? What man has ever or will ever fathom the intricate complexity of God’s design in woman, and the urges and emotions, unique to us, which God has built into our very beings that we might naturally and easily and yet with a profound skill which defies textbook description or explanation, nurture the next generation for Him?

Is it not obvious that men do now know, and that they cannot know? Is it not clear that they are not even equipped biologically to know in any experiential way what they would pretend to teach as experts?

Apart from the “teach the young women to love and be subject to their husbands” riff, (and -maybe- the bit about “impropriety,” there’s nothing here that wouldn’t fit comfortably into a cultural feminist narrative. She is, in fact, making a case for a “womens’ culture,”* albeit a womens’ culture that is framed very specifically within the precepts of her (Father(s)-headed) Church, yes.

What makes all the difference, according to some, is the presence or absence of that Father-headed System. Get rid of the Fathers, the husbands, the priests, the God, and we’ll be free.

Which, well, perhaps. But besides the very real “so, what about the Men?” question that arises in that scenario (i mean, if we’re peaceful-loving we can’t just -kill- them all, fun as it sounds; and, well, they’re still there, at best wondering what the hell to do with themselves now that they can’t be Patriarchs anymore and all the women are off having Birthing parties and frolicking on the land and such)…well, I’m not so convinced that that WOULD be enough to bring about utopia, as opposed to, well, just another communitarian experiment, subject to human (which women, lest we forget, are) failing as much as any other.

So that’s one thing.

The other consideration is, getting back to the more practical side…well, first of all, of course there are other reasons beside grand sweeping Visions of the End Goal to buy into a cultural/separatist/communitarian set-up, feminist or otherwise. There are a -lot- of back-to-the-land movements these days, have been ever since the advent of Industrialization, really; the ideology behind far left to far right, but one of the basic principles is self-sufficiency (as opposed to Owing your Soul to the Company Sto’, or Big Brother, neither). An antidote to the alienation of modern life: get your hands dirty, Do It Yourself, and probably bond in loving fellowship with like-minded peoples.

Which all sounds great, you know, and I’ve been a guest, at least, at a couple of “intentional communities” which I might talk about at some point. I admire it all, again, in theory.

There’s just one small problem:

I live in the city.

Well. I live in the city, and my idea of foraging in the wilderness is finding a decent takeout joint, AND, due to a combination of ‘burb-based relative privilege, urban/cultural family background (my NYC-derived grandmother, once, sitting on her Sun City astroturf porch, shooing away the quail: “Yeah, cute, but those fucking birds crap all over the place. I don’t like nature. I’d rather have an ice cream soda”), and general murky Fears of my own ineptitude/which I’m not going to get into right now, suffice it to say that I am a Compleat Klutz when it comes to -most- of this Traditional Womanly Arts shit.

And no, I am no good at the traditional “masculine” arts either (changing oil, fixing plumbing). I am the first to admit that I am a bougie genX slacker who thinks finally learning to tie her shoes at some advanced age (six? seven? twenty-two?) is “working with her hands.”

Essentially, I’m fairly certain that when the Revolution comes, the people who’ve been canning and preserving and making sweaters out of sheep all this time will be doing great, and i’ll be scavenging the subways and fallout-laden streets and eating roaches and grubs out of my fellow useless urbanites’ hair, assuming we all just don’t kill each other first in a blind panic.

“But I’m good company.”

*Margaret Atwood nails this irony pretty astutely in “The Handmaid’s Tale,” at the end of the scene where Janine, one of the Handmaids, is giving birth in the company of her sisters and the Wives and the Marthas and the Aunts (no men allowed):

The womens’ voices rise around me, a soft chant that is still too loud for me, after the days and days of silence. In the corner of the room there’s a bloodstained sheet, bundled and tossed there, from where the waters broke…

The room smells too, the air is close, they should open a window. The smell is of our own flesh, an organic smell, sweat and a tinge of iron, from the blood on the sheet, and another smell, more animal, that’s coming, it must be, from Janine: a smell of dens, of inhabited caves, the smell of the plaid blanket on the bed when the cat gave birth on it, once, before she was spayed. Smell of matrix.

“Breathe, breathe,” we chant, as we have been taught. “Hold, hold. Expel, expel, expel.” …Janine, her eyes closed, tries to slow her breathing. Aunt Elizabeth feels for the contractions…

…She’s grunting now, with the effort. “Push, push, push,” we whisper….We’re with her, we’re the same as her, we’re drunk. Aunt Elizabeth kneels, with an outspread towel to catch the baby, …Oh praise.

We hold our breath as Aunt Elizabeth inspects it: a girl, poor thing, but at least there’s nothing wrong with it…We are one smile, tears run down our cheeks, we are so happy.

…The Commander’s Wife looks down at the baby as if it’s a bouquet of flowers: something she won, a tribute.

The Wives are here to bear witness to the naming. It’s the Wives who do the naming, around here.

“Angela,” says the Commander’s Wife.

“Angela, Angela,” the Wives repeat, twittering. “What a sweet name! Oh, she’s perfect! Oh, she’s wonderful!…”

By now I’m wrung out, exhausted. My breasts are painful, they’re leaking a little. Fake milk, it happens this way with some of us. We sit on our benches, facing one another…we might be bundles of red cloth. We ache. Each of us holds in her lap a phantom, a ghost baby. What confronts us, now the excitement’s over, is our own failure. Mother, I think. Wherever you may be. Can you hear me? You wanted a women’s culture. Well, now there is one. It isn’t what you meant, but it exists. Be thankful for small mercies.

x-posted at fetch me my axe


55 thoughts on The Revolution Will Not Be Crocheted, Preserved, or Canned. Or, Hey, Maybe It Will, But If So…

  1. Great stuff. And yeah, I think the reclamation of the womanly arts is a lot more transformative if it’s about something more than a simple inversion of heirarchies. It strikes me that a lot of the most interesting DIY stuff effaces the boundaries between men’s crafts and women’s crafts, too — it’s about tinkering, and tinkering is necessarily interdisciplinary.

    As for the city mouse stuff, it’s important to remember that city living is actually pretty green — particularly in a city like Gotham, where no-one owns a car. If Back to the Land means going off the grid, then cheers. But you and I are treading lighter on the earth treading on concrete and asphalt than a lot of folks who are living simply in places where they have to drive twenty miles to buy toilet paper.

  2. Oh, and this passage gave me a serious Roseanne flashback:

    Is it not obvious that men do now know, and that they cannot know? Is it not clear that they are not even equipped biologically to know in any experiential way what they would pretend to teach as experts?

    Chuck: “A woman just doesn’t have the equipment to satisfy another woman.”

    Dan: “You can buy the equipment.”

  3. I’m confused, who is arguing that these should be the exclusive provence of women?

    A counter-argument to be made is that arts and professions get “feminized” according to economics and status. At the turn of the 20th century, there certainly was no lack of men working in the garment industry because it made money. There are photographs of entire households, including men, knitting. However, when this happened, women were delegated the lower-status roles.

    The same thing happened in early telecommunications. Telegraph operators were mostly men. When Bell started expanding telephone operations, it feminized the workforce. Young women could be paid less, and you could pack more of them onto the small rooms that were converted into exchanges . The same pattern held true for typists, secretaries, and “calculators” (persons paid to perform mathematical operations.) In all of these cases there was a significant drop in status when the profession became “feminine.” It happened in the Soviet Union when a majority of physicians became women.

    In those rare economic niches in which one can practice a craft and make a shitload of money and get critical attention, those “womanly arts” become much less womanly: Jean-Paul Gaultier, Bobby Flay, and Frank Lloyd Wright pop to mind as big names in clothing, cooking, and interior design. In the economics of my great grandparents, women gardened and raised chickens, because men worked the cash crops. (This is also a pattern found in rural Africa and Asia.)

    I’m not saying that people should stop engaging in arts and crafts for their own enjoyment. I’m just saying that we shouldn’t have any illusions about how crafts and professions come to be called “womanly.”

  4. Well, I tried to read the original post, but Safari really, really didn’t like her site and I had to force quit.

    I have mentioned before that I have very few “womanly” skills. I am a worse slob than most frat boys. I don’t wear makeup. I wear jeans almost every day. I can cook, but prefer not to, so my husband and I live on frozen dinners.

    But I took up knitting in February and you know why people do it? Because it’s fun. Really. It doesn’t look like it from outside, but knitting is a very entertaining activity, and at the end of it, you have something you can either wear or use. It can be as simple or as complicated as you want. You can knit with really expensive imported hand-spun yarn or with acrylic you picked up at Wal-Mart. It’s all good.

    Trying to explain a hobby that you enjoy is always difficult, but it becomes impossible when you have people telling you that you’re a bad feminist for gaining a skill that you enjoy and that you’re supporting the patriarchy by knitting. (Seriously. Somebody said that to a knitter who was minding her own business in public.)

    And I do think that Debbie Stoller has a point when she says that denigrating traditional women’s crafts is buying into the patriarchal bullshit that says that only things that men do are valuable, but anything that’s “women’s work” is by definition not important.

    Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to buy some kid-size knitting needles so I can teach my nephew to knit. Assuming I can convince my brother that doing so won’t make the kid’s penis fall off, of course.

  5. Seriously. Somebody said that to a knitter who was minding her own business in public.

    You know, you’d think it would take a special kind of stupid to pull crap like that on someone who’s carrying long, sharp metal objects.

  6. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to buy some kid-size knitting needles so I can teach my nephew to knit. Assuming I can convince my brother that doing so won’t make the kid’s penis fall off, of course.

    I used to knit some years ago. Still have a penis, amazingly enough.

  7. I used to knit some years ago. Still have a penis, amazingly enough.

    Then what the hell are you doing here, man? That thing must be hanging on by a thread!

    Jean-Paul Gaultier, Bobby Flay, and Frank Lloyd Wright pop to mind as big names in clothing, cooking, and interior design.

    We also feminize the men involved, don’t we? If not so much in cooking, clothing and interior design (and many other kinds of design) are seen as the province of women and gay men, even at the upper echelons.

  8. I’ve been thinking about learning to quilt for much the same reason Mnemosyne knits. It sounds like a nice way to keep my hands busy, and get something useful when I’m done. My grandmother quilts, and her work is just amazing.

    Beyond that, I’m not much into many womanly arts. I’m a fair cook and a work at home mom. I’m the parent at home because I’m the one with skills to earn from home. Two of my sisters have their husbands stay home with the kids. We just all figure the job goes to the most appropriate person.

  9. Well, or the other thing that happens, I find, is that the men in question, I mean particularly the HETERO! men, will do this kind of exaggerated macho thing in compensation. I mean–well, what little I know second or thirdhand of professional kitchen culture, it’s about as macho as you can get (“can’t stand the heat…”) What I’m more familiar with: theatre, and especially dance. O yeah: Male Actor/Director/Choreographer Syndrome. They can’t do manly things with cleavers and burn scars so much, of course, so more likely they tend to fuck as many women as they possibly can.

  10. Then what the hell are you doing here, man? That thing must be hanging on by a thread!

    Nah, I use those “enhancement” products that those nice people keep e-mailing me about. It’s all good.

  11. I do not understand the need to denigrate womanly craft is it because right-wing women view it as their domain..It is called arts and craft not womens work in catalogs..there are women across the nation opening museums to house antigue craft work because they believe that the great female artists sublimated their creativity into art and carfts. pottery instead of sculpture. needlework instead of paint and canvas..Back in the seventies I was once in a history class in college in which the prof implied that women were inferior because we never created a substantial body art or literature..Maybe he was looking at the wrong medium when judging the contribution of women artists.

  12. Then what the hell are you doing here, man? That thing must be hanging on by a thread!

    If a man’s penis is hanging by a thread, seems to me that the brother needs to learn to sew, and pronto.

  13. Bottom line, knowing how to do things is good, especially when they’re useful things. I meet women who broadcast that they can’t cook a meal or iron a shirt as if that’s something to be proud of, and that’s a shame. Cooking, basic laundry and ironing, and proficiency enough with needle and thread to sew on a button or two are basic human skills that everyone should have. I’m probably as stereotypically a footsoldier of the patriarchy as will post here, and I’m more than capable regarding all of those things. If practical skills like that are regarded as womanly I fail to see how that’s an insult.

    Not learning something because you don’t want to “sell out” or whatever is just silly.

  14. Oh, I have absolutely no problem with “selling out.” I just think I suck at a lot of things. Hell, I sucked at pole dancing. Which kind of, well, sucked, because it -looks- like fun…

  15. but yeah, i -can- do -basic- cooking, laundry, and i suppose if someone put a gun to my head i could remember how to sew a button back on. I’m just not particularly brilliant at any of ’em. actually no matter how many times i fold things they inevitably seem to end up looking like ass. i think it must be something about my weird-ass attention span and/or motor skills. or, maybe i just don’t care -enough.- it does bug me, though.

  16. Mnemosyne: And I do think that Debbie Stoller has a point when she says that denigrating traditional women’s crafts is buying into the patriarchal bullshit that says that only things that men do are valuable, but anything that’s “women’s work” is by definition not important.

    Who defines “traditional women’s crafts” and “women’s work”? If we don’t take either of these definitions for granted, we find that patriarchy and capitalism defines the value of various types of labor by the gender of the person performing the labor. (And the gender of the labor by the perceived market value.) “Traditional womens’ crafts” are those crafts that have been devalued by the “market.”

    So just as an example, I just picked up a crochet book that claims crochet wasn’t gendered in Victorian Ireland, when the Victorians tried to set up crochet as a cottage cash industry in the wake of the potato famine. Isn’t that interesting, where there is an economy that pays by the piece, the notion of “womens’ craft” is undermined.

    piny: We also feminize the men involved, don’t we? If not so much in cooking, clothing and interior design (and many other kinds of design) are seen as the province of women and gay men, even at the upper echelons.

    Well, certainly. I think the garment industry has become more feminized over the 20th century as it has increasingly mechanized. I did some reading on the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire and although women were the majority of workers in the industry, men dominated management and the high-status positions on the assembly line. Key steps of the process of making a garment (or at least making one for sale) were still considered to be “men’s work.”

  17. I am good with putting colors together, but suck at most handicrafts. I can garden if I have a real gardener telling me what to do, and I’d like to grow my own food someday, or some of it. Fresh veggies are yum. I can sew and cook, but don’t because I don’t really enjoy it. I would do it if I had to to survive.

    I cannot knit to save my life…but then, I really dislike the feel of knitted things against my skin, even soft ones make me itchy. So not really a loss for me…we don’t have winter in Texas anyway.

  18. After thinking a little more (and doing another repeat of the lace pattern on my sock), I also think it’s a family thing. If you come from a family where leisure time crafts are valued, you’ll be more likely to do crafts yourself. If you come from a non-crafting family, you’re going to think the people who craft are bizarre. Or, as one of my co-workers said, “Why make a sock when you can buy a 10-pack at the store for five bucks?”

    I have a huge number of crafters in my family, including my dad, though he does suitably “manly” crafts like woodcarving. (He’s gotten pretty good, I must say.) We’ve got quilters, crocheters, and potters, and those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. My aunt gave us a beautiful quilt for our wedding, so I made her a silk-alpaca blend scarf with my mad new skillz. It went over big.

    I’ve done a lot of different crafts. I started doing cross-stitch and needlepoint in junior high but had to give it up when I got carpal tunnel syndrome. Too much pinching of small items. I had a rubber stamp/papercrafts obsession for a while, but I felt like there was only so far I could go with it, plus I can’t cut a straight line to save my life. Knitting is the new obsession and if my wrists hold up, it’s something I can picture myself doing for quite a while.

  19. Chuck: “A woman just doesn’t have the equipment to satisfy another woman.”

    Seems to me that there’s few people less equipped to satisfy a woman than a man who think it’s All About the Penis.

  20. Trying to explain a hobby that you enjoy is always difficult, but it becomes impossible when you have people telling you that you’re a bad feminist for gaining a skill that you enjoy and that you’re supporting the patriarchy by knitting. (Seriously. Somebody said that to a knitter who was minding her own business in public.)

    I was taught to knit by a scary Goth woman named Prophet who reported just this very attitude toward knitting during the 70s, which wound up discouraging a lot of women from learning.

    I’d have learned to knit earlier in my life, but nobody in my family had any patience for my mistakes. Prophet, I paid, and it turns out that without the familial impatience and beration, knitting’s actually a lot of fun.

    My brother, who is in the military and who was interested in camping and survivalism at an early age, decided early on that sewing, cooking, etc. were all survival skills. Plus, if you took home ec classes in high school, when they were purely elective classes, you met a lot of girls, or at worst ate a lot of pie.

    The sewing skills came in handy when he was in Saudi Arabia for Desert Storm and his tent flaps kept flying open. Even more helpful was the 70-year-old silk thread Grandma had lying around the house, which *her* mother had used to make parachutes for WWI.

    Which brings me to why the “womanly arts” are important: because they produce useful stuff. My impoverished babushka made her own quilts because she had to; my Grandma, who grew up poor and got married during the Depression, canned and pickled because she had to. She even made toys for her kids and grandkids out of discarded containers.

    We’re quite likely to get to a point in the next 50 years where these skills will be damn useful (along with other skills, usually typed as “men’s work” such as carpentry and basic handyman skills) just because fuel prices will make things more expensive. Why not keep them alive?

  21. I think people are taking the concept of “traditional womanly arts” much too seriously. “Traditional” alone is one of those catchphrases that either means “trying my best to fossilize a practice in some idealized form” ala Foxfire or “making it up as I go along, based on some ideology I’m loathe to express” ala large chunks of neo-paganism.

    Womanly? Well, it very much depends on who you were, in which social strata, what segment of the economy you happened to find yourself in at the time.

    Art is about the only thing that should be left unquestioned. Unfortunately the dominant culture still has a hard time taking phrases like “textile arts” seriously.

  22. As to what is possible, get hold of a copy of “The Encylopedia of Needlework” which has everything from soup to nuts. Including tatting, mending rents, twenty zillion types of embroidery, etc. etc., and so forth.

    I’ve been tempted to take up tatting because that’s about the only thing I think could possibly get taken on a plane at present….

    The major problem with most present sewing projects (and knitting) is the “make in two hours” attitude produces stuff that frankly stinks, IMO. If I’m going to put the time into it, I’d like to put the time into producing something that is obviously handmade with a lot of care and appreciation in it and is not machine produced. Lined jackets with top-quality buttonholes, for example.

  23. My granny crocheted afghans, and knit, too. My parents still have some of the afghans. I think when I was a kid, I went through a period of trying to knit. It lasted…o, approximately as long as my “cool, a chemistry set” phase, i think.

    i’m sure it is relaxing, though.

  24. Trying to explain a hobby that you enjoy is always difficult, but it becomes impossible when you have people telling you that you’re a bad feminist for gaining a skill that you enjoy and that you’re supporting the patriarchy by knitting.

    Now THAT sounds familiar.

  25. Hell, I sucked at pole dancing. Which kind of, well, sucked, because it -looks- like fun…

    I *really* wish you wouldn’t get so discouraged about that… god, I would like to smack that dumbass instructor. 🙁

    I know I can’t *make* you not feel the way you feel – hell, if that had been *my* first experience with it, I would definitely be running as fast as possible in the opposite direction – but, just… well, I’m really sorry the teacher sucked so badly.

    (And, of course, *everyone* sucks at pole dancing at first. It takes time. A *lot* of time.)

  26. tzs: Crochet and knitting are perfectly allowed on a plane. I flew on Southwest last May with my lace weight hand died silk yarn (be jealous, I am 🙂 ) and tiny metal hook. Not a problem.

    I myself am an obsessive crocheter, and I’m currently working on learning the style of crochet that Queen Victoria was promoting to get the Irish out of the potato famine. It is amazingly difficult, by the way.

    I really don’t see the resurgence of crafting as a feminist issue. It seems to be more of a reaction against the increase in mass-produced crap. These days, everything is disposable and worthless. Something made by a skilled hand has an inherent worth that machine pressed junk will never muster. By crafting, we’re bringing back simple (or not so simple) valuable items in the home.

    That, and it’s fun, and it gives you a feeling of accomplishing something even while watching t.v.

  27. My brother, who is in the military and who was interested in camping and survivalism at an early age, decided early on that sewing, cooking, etc. were all survival skills.

    Exactly. They might not be as important for the zombie apocalypse as being able to hit a man at 500 yards with a rifle, but they’re far more practical and important in normal daily life.

    I think maybe one of the reasons some things became known as womanly and manly was that back in the day you had to know how to do a lot of stuff yourself to survive, and it’d be really hard for one person to know how to sew, cook, do plumbing, woodwork, weld, fix stuff in general, and all the other stuff. Maybe by making certain things gender specific you’d have a reasonable idea of what skill sets you could expect from your spouse.

    Of course, I could be completely wrong.

  28. I always kind of thought the knitting crafty whateverness was always kind of a DIY, make your own stuff, eschew corporate consumerism kind of thing. At least that’s how I always thought about it.

    Makes me think of the punk rockers from when I was younger. Most of them made a lot of their own stuff, too. Or at least, made their own stuff out of other stuff.

  29. I’m definitely one of those people who thinks that there’s no point in making certain kinds of socks because you can buy them at Zellers for five bucks. On the other hand, if you can’t buy it in stores (or from the handy infomercial), by all means, make it. I spent two years more or less apprenticed to a master costumer, so I can sew — but I use the stuff I learnt mostly to judge the cut of clothes in stores so I don’t waste all kinds of time trying on things I can tell won’t fit, or appraising the finish and quality of the garment against the price; stuff like that.

    What concerns me most about the sort of DIY/Back to the Land movement is how much of it is dependent on women’s unpaid labour. Regardless of whether you like to do something or not, that’s not cool. (I remember seeing one blogger remarking something along the lines of “the cool, trendy off-the-grid guys decided you were the one automatic appliance they couldn’t live without.”) My caveat would be not to get too sucked into the romance and communitarian aspect, and keep in mind that your time is valuable, too.

    On the good grasping hand, I think absolutely everyone, male, female, disgusting things from Cissalda, should be able to shop for and prepare their own food, do minor mending (hemming, sewing buttons back on), do their own laundry, and maintain their dwelling space to a reasonable degree of cleanliness. I so totally blame the patriarchy for men who can’t shop, cook, or sew, because their mothers always took care of it for them and never thought they’d need to learn — that gendered expectations thing, again. (Similarly, my boyfriend has really long hair, and his mom never bothered to tell him how to keep it; I’ve told him everything I know about tending long hair, and IBTP for that, too…)

  30. Yes, Henry, you’re completely wrong. There’s no survival-based reason for sewing to be seen as a girly skill that no manly man would do.

  31. I knit mostly because I like knitting. I like making things that I like the look of, and I especially like making them with my hands. It’s also cheaper than buying them, especially if I can find cheap yarn on eBay or recycle sweaters from Goodwill. And honestly, I find the idea that something sucks because it’s “traditional women’s work” kind of misogynist. So, what, if it’s traditional men’s work, it doesn’t suck, but if it’s women’s work, it does? Fuck that.

  32. I work at a knit shop/fiber arts gallery owned by one of the most amazing feminists I’ve ever met. She’s a professor at the University I attend. And get this – she actually pays women real wages – for something they claim they do in their “spare time”. As if “spare” time isn’t “real” time and thus not worth compensation. Ever since I’ve started working there I’ve noticed a trend among my knitter friends – they give away their time. So many knitters I know will make something for someone and only charge what it cost to purchase the yarn. In doing this they are devaluing not only their time, but their gender. They are supporting the idea that knitting (and other fiber arts and handcrafts) is “women’s work” and that “women’s work” should go unpaid. I understand women who do not want to participate in what they view as part of the traditional female gender role – but don’t go so far as to further marginalize those of us who like these handcrafts.

    Also, one of the reasons I love knitting in public so much is that people assume I’m some nice, conservative, Mrs.-seeking, ignorant “girl”.

    And, in case you’re interested, I work at Artisan Knitworks in Grosse Pointe Park, Michigan. Check us out at artisanknitworks.com.

  33. I think I may have a completely weird view on these whole “traditional” crafts thing…I don’t thing I’ve sold out to the patriarchy…but one never know unless one asks….

    I (personally) feel that its important to participate in traditional women’s arts, because it is my way of paying homage to the women who came before. My needlework stinks but when I do it I think of the women who came before me. Perhaps its just silly but I think of how traditional women’s crafts were sometimes their only means of self expression and perhaps the only thing (other than our lives) that they left behind.

    We can look out the window and admire the buildings men designed and built. We’ve benefited from the educational system designed by men…the government designed by men…the exploration conducted by men…etc.

    What do we have the vast majority of our female ancestors left us? Some pots? Baskets? Tapestries? So the way I think about it…the “arts” they left us are the way I honor their lives. If that makes sense.

  34. Also there’s something satisfying (to some of us anyhow) about making stuff. I started to spin (now there’s a useless hobby) about nine months ago. I took a class from someone who’s been doing this stuff for decades. She showed a slide show of women spinning in Turkey and I have to say it’s sort of cool to do something with a long tradition. Those Turkish women (most of whom lived up in cillages way from any sort of city) spun every size of yarn imaginable. They spun thread!

    Although these skills aren’t necessary (until the big collapse that is), they’re fun, useful, endlessly creative, and reach back a long way. Nothing but good there.

  35. Bottom line, knowing how to do things is good, especially when they’re useful things. I meet women who broadcast that they can’t cook a meal or iron a shirt as if that’s something to be proud of, and that’s a shame. Cooking, basic laundry and ironing, and proficiency enough with needle and thread to sew on a button or two are basic human skills that everyone should have. I’m probably as stereotypically a footsoldier of the patriarchy as will post here, and I’m more than capable regarding all of those things. If practical skills like that are regarded as womanly I fail to see how that’s an insult.

    Huh. I can’t believe I never connected these dots between gender-anxiety and consumerist pressure to buy rather than create before.

  36. I remember in my house when I was young my mother and her mother would go through knitting phases. We’d be watching telly as usual only mum and nan were also having a good ol time knitting. That’s how I learned to sew, as a way of getting in on an activity all three of us could do. I never had the patience to actually finish anything I started though and ended up with a few squares of different colours.
    I’ve recently gotten into sewing and I’m becoming the house’s resident sewer, people need a costume or a button sewn up I’m the one you turn to. My birthday and Christmas presents have been a huge sewing table(so I don’t take up the whole table with an outfit) and one of those sewing busts.
    My mother is my hero in this because not only was she always into knitting and painting but her dad also took her out hunting for rabbits with him so she knows how to do those ‘manly’ things like shooting, skinning and starting a good fire(my dad often forgets things like oh, kindling, which mum has to help with).
    That said I’m always the first to role my eyes at certain activities being assigned to one gender only.

  37. I’ve been knitting for going on four years, and spinning for going on two, and I mostly do it because it’s fun and relaxing. But it’s hard to ignore the feminist issues tied up in “folk art” and “women’s work,” isn’t it? Every time some stranger asks me “who are you knitting that for?” (and that’s *always* what they ask) I’m reminded that knitting, as women’s art, is devalued. That innocent little question assumes that I am knitting for someone else, that it will be a gift, that I do not do it for myself, that my time is not valuable.

    There’s an excellent essay here about, among other things, how folk and ethnic traditions don’t allow for authorship the way so-called fine art does. Folk artists and non-Western artists tend to have their names stripped from their work, to be seen as part of a monolithic, undifferentiated mass of work in which one thing is much the same as the other. The essay also deals with fanfic, another folk tradition that’s largely the province of women, and I think it’s a great read.

  38. I always kind of thought the knitting crafty whateverness was always kind of a DIY, make your own stuff, eschew corporate consumerism kind of thing.

    In theory, that’s true, but in practice I think that crafting can become another kind of consumerism. You can see that a lot with scrapbooking, which is probably the most corporate and commodified “craft” out there, but it can be true of knitting, too. There are status yarn stores that sell status yarn, and there are definitely knitters who take pride in their collections of hand-dyed 100% alpaca yarn and look down their noses at anyone with the terrible, terrible taste to knit in acrylic. There’s the whole phenomenon of the “stash,” which is one’s collection of unknitted yarn, and which supposedly says a huge amount about one’s taste and character as a knitter. So while I think that knitting often *feels* like a DIY, anti-consumerist thing, in actuality it easily morphs into another form of consumerism.

    Having said that, I knit because it’s fun and relaxing and slightly meditative, and because it allows me to make cool things. And I like making things. And you know, come the apocalypse, I don’t think knitting will be especially useful, and if it does turn out to be a really necessary skill, I’m sure that Belledame will be able to pick it up in an evening. And I don’t think that you can knit your way out of patriarchy or anything like that. It’s just a hobby. Not everything I do has to have some great political significance.

  39. here’s something.

    coupla hundred years ago, there was a divide between men’s work and women’s work, as you’d expect, BUT, men’s work and women’s work sort of fed into each other. For example, women cooked, but men chopped the wood for the fire. women produced things to eat, but men helped process the ingredients, for example – cornmeal was a widely used ingredient in the food women cooked, but men (and children) processed the corn into meal. men sheared sheep, but women spun yarn, but men wove cloth, but women sewed clothes…it was a cycle perpetuated by both men’s and women’s labor in more-or-less equal measure. men tended little children quite ably, as a matter of routine, as late as the early 1800s.

    Things change as industrialization takes over and that which is considered “work” moves out of the home, and becomes waged, and becomes masculinized (except where it ain’t).

    It is thought by some knowledgeable knitting scholars that knitting was “invented” by turkish shepherds, who were uniformly male.

    there’s rarely any such thing as “traditional womanly arts” if you go back far enough in history and out wide enough in the world.

    btw – I didn’t tell you this before, but congrats Belle, you made the big time. I’m real proud of you. mWAH!

  40. Crafts like sewing and cooking and knitting are pretty practical IMO. We may do them as a hobby, or for fun, but I think they do serve as practice for good, useful skills for when the machines rebel.

    Or zombies attack, you know, whichever one comes first.

  41. I have quite a few thoughts on this post, but i’ll start by mentioning that there are plenty of intentional communities in urban areas. I live in one in Chicago, and we’re simply not hippies. We’re not able to be as self-sufficient as our rural friends (nor do we want to be), but we’re still diy in many ways, we’re still going green, we’re still sharing all kinds of resources (physical, economic, and intellectual), and we’re still all about community. It might be the best way to live in a city, if you ask me. And we still eat takeout.

    Basically, there’s more to intentional communities than common stereotype of hippie communes.

  42. I never really thought of myself as particularly crafty, just good at housekeeping. But I grew up doing plain sewing (makes garments) embroidery, crewelwork, and silk ribbon work, crochet, and quilting, as well as knowing how to kill and clean and cook a chicken or a hog, and how to plant and take care of a garden and an orchard, and how to bake, can, freeze, pickle, and otherwise preserve the produce coming out of it. It occasionally surprises me that most other people don’t have that kind of broad skillset, because I grew up in a large family where everyone did stuff.

    I picked up spinning as a skill recently, and love it for portability and meditativeness. Plus, it’s one of those things that makes people doubletake, and part of me finds that wickedly amusing.

  43. This post picks up on a series of posts that followed an article entitled “Secret Lives of Breadwinner Wives” that appeared on msn.com last November, which was preceded by an article that appeared in Forbes entitled “Don’t Marry a Career Woman”. I have been following this issue with great interest and come to the following conclusions. First in a childless marriage I don’t see any problem with wives pursuing their careers zealously. In that situation husbands should not feel resentful and, in my view, I don’t see why the husbands career advancement would be stymied or limited in anyway. Children, however, change the equation radically. First, a wife who has zealously pursued her career and advanced at a greater pace than her husband faces a dilemma upon the birth of child. If such a family unit has come to rely on the wife’s income to maintain the family standard of living, the wife/mother, must return to the work force, usually in short order, in order to maintain the family standard of living. Now, if this family is willing to accept some modification to their living standard, albeit possibly only temporary until the husband/father is given the opportunity to “catch up” to the wife’s level of advancement, then the majority of the family financial burden needn’t be borne by the wife/mother and the wife/mother enjoys the time she gets to be home with her baby, which most women would prefer to do anyway. However, my review of the popular literature and posts to message boards like this reveals to me that most women are not willing to modify their living standards, even temporarily, and yet, if compelled back to work after having a child they become resentful of their husbands, who by virtue of the wife as primay breadwinner dynamic, have become the primary caregiver to the child. Resentment is poisonous to a marriage. What can exacerbate such a situation is if the husband has made concessions in his own career so as to allow for the wife’s advancement, such as moving to a locale that favors the wife’s work, but disfavors the husband’s work. The bottom line is, as I have concluded, the ideal family model is to have the wife as primary caregiver/secondary breadwinner to the husband as primary breadwinner/secondary caregiver. Are there exceptions to this rule? Absolutely! However, children will be best served, in most instances, by the “traditional” family model.

  44. knowing how to kill and clean and cook a chicken or a hog, and how to plant and take care of a garden and an orchard, and how to bake, can, freeze, pickle, and otherwise preserve the produce coming out of it.

    Growing things plugs you into the rhythm of the natural world; you pick things and make use of them when they’re ripe or else they rot. My ultradwarf peach is bearing like crazy this year, so I made jam all morning today. Canning is just an extension of cooking.
    The only problem with being able to do so many things is lack of time to do them.

    I picked up spinning as a skill recently, and love it for portability and meditativeness. Plus, it’s one of those things that makes people doubletake

    For added stun-factor, you could do what I saw done at our Living History Days here: One of the group of spinners plucked hair from her Angora bunny and wove it into her yarn.

  45. Most of what I make is given as a gift to someone, but I do it for a fairly specific and selfish reason — I want to be remembered.

    In my parents’ house, there remains four generations of all manner of stuff. My grandmother lived with us, her mother lived with her when she was raising her children, and she was an only child with several child-free aunts and uncles, so there was a veritable antique store in my parents’ ranch-house full-house basement. There were many things that lasted from the old days, but the things that meant something, the things that my grandmother and my mother wanted to keep, were the things that were handmade. So I grew up with a certain appreciation.

    Since getting my own house, I have taken a seating bench made by my great-grandfather. I have lace doilies crotcheted by a great-great aunt. I have a glass ceiling light pendant thingy that was hand-painted by my great-great uncle (who ran a lighting store/bar during the depression). I have a bunch of other stuff that wasn’t handmade but was — and is — cool and in great shape.

    One of those items was my great-great aunt’s sewing cabinet. When I took it, my mom said I had to take the whole thing — no emptying it out to leave the crap in it for her to sort through. Fair enough. I threw most everything out, especially a set of raccoon feet (To be used as clasps, I think. Yuck.). But I found a little pamphlet that said, “Teach Yourself to Knit,” copyright 1948, as well as several needles and some thread. This was years before knitting became a trendy thing to do, and I thought it was kitschy enough to try for the hell of it. Turns out I loved it, and within a couple of years I started seeing more fancy yarn stores and the like.

    I’ve always been a crafty person, though, as well as a handy person. It comes from not being an athletic person, I think — I like feeling productive but sitting on my butt while watching TV. But when I make things for other people (whether knitted or in some other area — I make soap, sew purses and do needlepoint as well), I do it because I feel like what I make will last. Not only will its function or beauty outlast something mass-produced, but also it will be appreciated and remembered as something I did, something reflecting my relationship with the person for whom I made it.

    So while I do not get compensation for my work, I feel like I make an important investment in my friends and family. In a world like ours, where the compensated work is so fleeting, hand crafts give me a sense of connection to the past and the future.

    I know the various theories on why it would be anti-feminist to be so crafty, the Julia Kristeva “woman’s time” types of considerations about the repetitive aspects of “woman’s work” or “woman’s craft.” But I wonder if our industrialized, compensated work is any more rewarding. Any field — whether dominated historically by women or men — is repetitive in its own way. When I, as a lawyer, draft the legal documents for a construction loan on behalf of a bank and see a building go up financed by that construction loan, I can feel like I was a part of making it happen, but my individual work will be no more remembered than that of the bricklayer or the master plumber or anyone else involved. And over my career, I will have many such deals, most of which use the same skill and experience set over and over. There may be more of an illusion of specific, discrete accomplishment, but other than taking a lot longer to accomplish, it’s nothing really more discrete in a career than a solid family dinner would be to a housewife. The pay is not aligned with effort, of course, and is instead valued in a sexist manner, but given how fucked up the overall compensation scheme is generally, I feel like we should be able to get past seeing the work as the problem, instead focusing on the value placed on such work.

  46. You know, my husband gently mocked me the other day when he saw me doing some needlework. I think he thought he was being a good feminism-inclined dude, but I countered with, “you’re right, it’s totally frivolous and not at all useful to be able to make beautiful things yourself rather than paying out the wazoo for them. Nope, not useful at all.”

    Seriously, I hate to think of things like skilled handcrafts being gendered. They are, of course, in practice and to a certain degree, but I’ll be dern-tootin if I’ll allow anyone, particularly my partner, to think even in jest that I am somehow not being a Good Feminist if I take pride in my skill at making stuff, and that includes food. Now stuff like embroidery or knitting might be less essential in the scheme of things – something you can take or leave – but honestly I feel that every adult should be not just competent, but *proficient* in preparing food from scratch. You save a buttload of money and have a valuable skill that will impress your friends and delight your family for years (especially if you’re a dude…there is nothing sexier than that second or third date where your aspiring boyfriend cooks you as lavish a meal as he can muster. Happy to say this is almost de rigeur in young liberal NYC circles now).

    I was a theatre major in undergrad and all acting-concentrators had to also complete tech and design internships. The summer I worked at the state Shakespeare festival, officially as a costumer and dresser, I was also involved in taking stagecraft classes and all interns were required to help put the prefab set together. Among those who took summer courses with the Shakespeare Festival were many of the college football players, looking for that easy grade in stagecraft (they also had to take stitching). While I was predictably mocked the first time I accidentally screwed a flat I was constructing into the floor, the same set acquired a great deal of respect for me when I lost my temper on a couple of pieces of the prefab set that refused to line up enough to be bolted together and, grabbing a heavy rubber mallet, got medieval on that thing until it lined up good and proper. (being respected for getting violent on an inanimate object – nope, nothing quite like it.) I must also add this same set of jocks who whined and joked about having to take costume construction, ended up scared to death of the costume shop the first time one of them accidentally put a couple of stitches into his finger with the industrial strength sewing machines. “These things are dangerous!” he shrieked, in absolute seriousness as he bled all over the place. Women’s work, indeed.

  47. Crap…I guess now I can add more things to my list of flaws. I can’t cook (although I can bake, so I won’t starve…I’ll just be eating lots of tarts), I can’t grow things (seriously…my secretary had to remove my office plants for their own safety), I’m too squeamish to “gut” anything (at 7 I actually retched because I *touched* a live fish), I can sew on a button, but it may fall off in a few weeks….Basically, when the end of the world comes, I’m screwed. The only skills I’ll have to offer are how to design ineffective and unnecessary legal systems and how to argue endless over defined terms that no one will ever read.

    *head desk*

  48. So while I think that knitting often *feels* like a DIY, anti-consumerist thing, in actuality it easily morphs into another form of consumerism.

    Well, yeah, but applies to just about anything, which is why I keep having to dodge speeding Escalades and Expeditions in the Whole Foods parking lot — see, they’re environmentalists because they shop at Whole Foods.

    Short of buying a farm and raising your own sheep to shear, spin and knit, you will have to rely on the marketplace to get anything done. I know what you’re saying about people who focus solely on the consumerist aspect of it, but those are the same people who buy $600 pots to cook with when the $100 set is just as good. People can turn any activity into a consumerist one.

  49. Well, yeah, but applies to just about anything, which is why I keep having to dodge speeding Escalades and Expeditions in the Whole Foods parking lot — see, they’re environmentalists because they shop at Whole Foods.

    I find this hilarious…do they know who the CEO of Whole Foods is?? From an interview with John Mackey:

    A notorious foe of unions, he’s a staunch libertarian described by The New York Times Magazine as a man “who admires Ronald Reagan and prefers The Wall Street Journal editorial page to this newspaper’s.”

  50. People can turn any activity into a consumerist one.

    Yup. Also, it’s the American Way.

  51. Heh – I knit, sew, spin, weave (sort of), and crochet acceptably. I’m what one of my cousins calls a “skills collector” – I’m just not happy unless I’m learning how to do something new. (I have a nice list of “manly hobbies” as well.)

    Given the current drive of the world, it’s also somewhat reassuring to know that I could provide garments for myself and my family, even if I were stranded in the wilderness with no tools. Just need some sort of fiber and a few sticks and I’m good to go!

  52. ok, i’m going to confess, here on my favorite feminist blog: i cross-stitch. and i just love it! i usually don’t talk about it with non-stitchers, ’cause i usually get a look that says ‘oh man, my grandmother does that! but it doesn’t have to be precious moments and kittens in baskets – it can be really elegant. and while it’s a female-dominated hobby, i have come across a few men who stitch (in cyber space, anyway). they obviously enjoy it and aren’t afraid to let people know.

    (i also learned to knit last year – just the basics- and would like to get good enough to be able to make socks for myself. and i’ve played around with beads, and even made some really cute earrings – with pearls and gemstones).

    i recently remembered that when i was a kid i did not tolerate having anything pink: no pink clothes, no pink bike, no pink in my bedroom. and it waasn’t really because i didn’t like pink, it was because i thought pink was girly and i didn’t want anyone thinking that i was a girly girl. well, enough of that crap. i love pink, and i love stitching!

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