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Two things on staring

I find myself thinking a lot about staring and comfort and power, so I figure I might as well bring you along for the ride!

First up – via Hoyden About Town – read this article at Science Blogs by Ed Yong: How objectification silences women – the male glance as a psychological muzzle.

Saguy found that women talked about themselves for less time than men, but only if they thought they were being visually inspected by a man, and particularly if they thought their bodies were being checked out. They used the full two minutes if they were describing themselves to another woman (no matter where the camera was pointing) or if they were speaking to a man who could hear but not see them. But if their partner was a man watching their bodies, they spoke for just under one-and-a-half minutes.
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As Saguy explains, “When a woman believes that a man is focusing on her body, she narrows her presence… by spending less time talking.” There are a few possible reasons for this. Saguy suspects that objectification prompts women to align their behaviour with what’s expected of them – silent things devoid of other interesting traits. Treat someone like an object, and they’ll behave like one. Alternatively, worries about their appearance might simply distract them from the task at hand.

Secondly, via Liz at Dis/Embody, a video! Rosemarie Garland-Thomson’s got a book out called Staring: How We Look (Oxford University Press, 2009). I rather want to check out. She of the fabulous name is a Women’s Studies professor at Emory University, which is in Atlanta, Georgia in the United States. I can’t wait to see how her work on staring in a disability studies framework might relate to feminist work on the male gaze, given her background. If you’re interested, here’s a PDF of an article of hers called Ways of Staring. Here she is talking about her work, examining unexpected power dynamics and all (transcript under the cut.)

[University name and logo in white sinking back into a blue screen.] Voiceover: This program brought to you by Emory University.

Rosemarie-Garland Thomson [a woman with short white hair, dressed in a black suit]: I’m Rosemarie-Garland Thomson. I’m a professor of women’s studies [these details appear in white at the bottom of the screen, then disappear] and literary studies at Emory University. And I’ve written a book called Staring: How We Look [cover appears]. Staring involves an interesting conflict. [back to her] First of all, it’s an impulse. It’s neurological and it’s acted out in our eyes and through our eyes. Staring is actually a natural response to our own curiosity, to what cognitive psychologists call a novel stimuli. And our brains enjoy novel stimuli, they look for novel stimuli, and so staring is itself a very pleasurable kind of thing [as she’s talking, the camera pans across a painting of a starer/staree and then the title ‘STARING’ and a quote from her book: “… staring [is] a starer’s quest to know and a staree’s opportunity to be known.”]. At the same time, because staring is a bodily impulse, like sex or like eating, it’s very highly regulated by the social world. [An image of people on a bus, not looking at each other, and then a group of young people staring at someone who’s presumably talking to them.] So the conflict with staring is between our urge to do it and the social rules that say that we shouldn’t be doing it. Because it doesn’t matter which side of the staring encounter we’re on, people like to stare, but they don’t like to be stared at [back to Garland-Thomson]. Staring is imagined as a breech of ettiquette, a kind of intrusion, and it also reflects badly on the people who are starers. So it’s this conflict between our urge to stare and the rules against it that makes staring such an important and intense and provocative social interchange that makes meaning. [Images of starers/starees take over] Another aspect that staring brings forward is an historical one. The world has changed and has made us come in contact with different kinds of people. When we’re out and about in the public world we see people that are different from us in a way we didn’t a while ago. We’re in contact with people, this is a new, integrated world. And the people that have entered the world are people that were excluded from the world oftentimes before, from the public world. One group of people who were excluded from the public world were people with disabilities. They were largely excluded before the 1960s and the 1970s in the United States by various institutional and architectural barriers that literally kept people with disabilities out of the public world and out of view of the other people who were in the public world [as we move back to Garland-Thomson]. In researching the book I discovered that most of the studies about staring focus on the starers [back to the initial image and then more paintings] and there’s not very much done about the starees. I wanted to bring forward the experience and the perspectives of the starees, which is a word I actually had to invent in order to talk about people who get stared at. I spoke with many expert starees and discovered that they’re much more comfortable, often, with staring exchanges actually than starers might be. And the reason for that of course is that they have so much more experience with the staring relationship. [Back to Garland-Thomson] So that they themselves actually end up directing the staring relationship in many cases and leading it toward a productive end that they want to occur. [Back to the book cover] I wanted the book to make us think about how we appear to each other and what we think about each other and of course then [back to Garland-Thomson] how we treat each other in the world.

[Screen changes to black. Text appears: ‘In fall 2009, Rosemarie Garland-Thomson was named by “Utne Reader” as one of the “50 Visionaries Who Are Changing Your World.”‘]

[An image of four smiling people by the exhibition; a semi-transparent blue box appears over them with text in white: ‘The images used here are from the book and from an exhibition (based on the book) ad the Van Every Gallery, Davidson College.’]

[White on a black screen: ‘Photo Credits
‘Archer Coe, “The Bus”
‘Brigitte Faber, Portrait of Dr. Theresia Degener
‘Martin Glueck, Dr. Theresia Degener and Gisela Hermes
‘Jay Jafee, “Two Women in Subway”
‘John Mardere, Portrait of Harriet McBryde Johnson
‘Vince Maggiora (San Francisco Chronicle), David Roche’.
Next screen:
‘Ruth Morgan, Portrait of Simi Linton
‘Chris Toalson, “Portrait”
‘The Washington Post, Children from Sierra Leone arrive at Dulles Airport
‘The Washington Post, Army Sgt Brian Doyne
‘Steve Wewerka (Life Magazine), Britney and Abby Hensel’
Next screen:
‘Oil Paintings by Doug Auld:
‘”Brian”
‘”Fernando”
‘”Hugging Fire”
‘”Jelani”
‘”Rachael”
‘”Shalya”‘]

[New screen: ‘Produced by the Emory College of Arts and Sciences’. ‘Camera/Editor Hal Jacobs’ appears in the bottom left corner.]

[University name and logo in white sinking back into a blue screen. A copyright notice appears at the bottom of the screen] Voiceover: The preceeding program is copyrighted by Emory University.


26 thoughts on Two things on staring

  1. “There are a few possible reasons for this. Saguy suspects that objectification prompts women to align their behaviour with what’s expected of them – silent things devoid of other interesting traits. Treat someone like an object, and they’ll behave like one. Alternatively, worries about their appearance might simply distract them from the task at hand.”

    I think another hypothesis might be a “flight” response, based on what I’ve experienced when being stared at by men. Personally, when a man is staring at me I’ll speak as little as possible for two reasons. First, to protect myself – he’s already intruding with his eyes, I don’t want to give him any more of myself than I have to. It’s a way of keeping control of what is and isn’t private about myself, when my privacy is already being breached. I feel more comfortable (or let’s say, less uncomfortable) when I am tightly controlling that which I can control about myself and what is or isn’t “out there.” Second, and related, I feel unsafe when a man (especially a stranger) is checking me out uninvited and I want to get away from him as quickly as possible. So I’m curt with any conversation and if possible move away as I’m speaking. This is a (admittedly attenuated) flight response. I wonder if either of these are true in a broader context.

  2. I’m not sure about Saguy’s theory that being looked over in an objectifying way causes women to align their behavior with that of an object. Or, as a woman, I don’t think that’s my motive when I verbally shut down in response to some guy staring at my breasts or something. I think I just feel embarrassed and kind of threatened and aware that the person I’m talking to has no inclination to listen to anything I have to say or take me seriously, so I disassociate and/or start looking for an exit. By shutting down and being quiet, I suppose I’m inadvertently imitating an object, but that’s not my objective.

  3. Thanks for writing about this. I read it the other day and couldn’t help looking at the comments… and I was struck by how many (alleged) women responded claiming never to have been made uncomfortable by male staring, or worried about making women “whiny.” From the men, there was near-universal talk about why they shouldn’t have to feel bad or change their behavior. It wasn’t surprising, but it’s been knocking around my head ever since: how much misogynist male response to feminism (and even hard data about women’s circumstances) is about resisting *any* standards for their behavior, even minimal ones. Even if the women in this study were a bunch of crazy bitches with low self-esteem (the cumulative suggestion of the male commenters), or were so traumatized by the leering of “real” misogynists that they’re unfairly stereotyping even “good” men… What kind of human responds to that by getting offended, or by doing pretty much anything beyond trying not to make it worse? I think reading those comments in particular made clear to me that there really are *no* standards for men’s (especially privileged, white, cis, etc. men’s) treatment of women. None at all.

    leah’s interpretation of the study makes a lot of sense to me, especially since most of the problems I’ve had lately with being stared at have been people on the street or the L. Usually these people don’t say anything to me, or at most they say “hi” or make and offensive noise, and stopping to tell them where to stick their eyeballs is pretty counterproductive to my goal of getting home unharassed as quickly as possible.

  4. Davidson college recently had an art exhibit based on Staring, and I interviewed the curators for the upcoming Bitch Media podcast…It was a great conversation, they summarize a lot of Garland-Thomas’s points as well as tying it into feminist studies and the art world. I’ll have the full clip up sometime in the next two weeks.

  5. Hey, thanks for the link! Kjerstin, that exhibit sounds great, and I’ll totally be waiting for the podcast. Out of curiosity, was that exhibit by the same folks who did Reformations? I met them a year or two back, and I’d love to see how they bring staring into their art work.

  6. I completely agree with leah@1. In my experience, if a man is staring at me I talk less because I’m uncomfortable and possibly scared, not because I’m trying to align myself with any expectations of me. I’m kind of surprised that this study didn’t come to the same conclusion – it seems pretty obvious to me.

  7. A stare is a really aggressive posture to take and for any man to deny so always amazes me. If women tone it down, or shrink, or stop talking, it’s because of overt aggression, not self-consciousness (although this can be a part of it). I have a young male neighbor who is *convinced* my dogs are pooping all over the neighborhood even though I’ve shown him the requisite poo-bags, etc. He doesn’t believe me. So he stares. And stares. And he expects it to work. He completely expects that his maleness, combined with staring at me, will affect my behavior. Of course, if we were to ask him he might be completely unaware of this. But I don’t back down (because I’m a tough old dyke and because, well, the poo is always in the poo-bags). So what happens when I don’t back down? He waits until I am just about close enough for conversation and then he slams something – a door usually, the garage door especially. The message? That since staring didn’t work, he will up the aggression to the next level – a physical one. Anecdotal? yes. But completely text-book from my life experience.

    A woman knows a benign glance. She also knows when a man is staring, and she knows what it means, whether she can put it into words or not. The stare *is* aggressive and usually it harbors control issues at the heart of it.

  8. I know a guy who’s very nice and *extremely* awkward — he stares a lot at me (mostly while I’m talking to him, and mostly into my eyes) and I’m sure he doesn’t mean anything by it (he’s probably just overcompensating for bad social skills with constant unblinking eye contact) and it’s not like he’s disrespectful in any way…

    …but it still creeps me the fuck out! There is just no way to divorce my gut reaction at being intently (*literally* unblinkingly) stared at from my intellectual knowledge that he’s not trying to be aggressive. It makes being around him (occasional silent staring) or talking to him (frequent silent staring) fairly miserable. And during all of this I feel responsible for keeping the one-sided “conversation” alive…

    I wish there was some way to gently bring up “yanno how being stared at is uncomfortable, especially for shy people like me? Sooo…CUT IT OUT.” (Too bad forwarding this post to him would be jerkfaced and passive-aggressive…:p)

    Body language is very important, and it’s just ridiculous to expect women to ignore it — you know that if some staring guy turned out to have like 7 bodies in his basement everyone would blame the women who ignored the creepy staring anyways. (“How couldn’t you tell that guy was a creep!” “We DID you just thought we were paranoid!”) And even when you’re trying to be polite and it’s a friendly acquaintance it’s impossible to ignore body language, no matter how much I’m sure the aggressive/stalker-y vibe is unintentional.

    So… that was partly to agree with the post, partly to get that off my chest, and partly to ask… any advice for dealing with a socially awkward nerdy dude who keeps accidentally creeping (shy, eye-contact-avoiding, female) me out?

  9. And that’s not even getting into the guys who do that shit on purpose! How can men deny it’s aggressive? It’s called a “stare-down” for a reason, and that kind of staring is a prelude to a lot of fights for a reason, too.

  10. And not to get all evo-psych here, but staring is confrontational behavion in EVERY SINGLE SPECIES, why should we think ours would be any different? That’s why you’re not supposed to look an aggressive animal in the eye – because that’s a challenge, and it will most likely take you up on that challenge. Conversely, that’s why you ARE supposed to make eye contact when you’re trying to establish authority over a pet, like when you’re training your dog. Some people say you’re supposed to do that with kids too, but I have no idea if that’s true or not.
    Anyway, the point is staring = aggressive, confrontational behavior.

  11. Any man who denies that staring at women is an aggressive act should be asked to define the context and probable consequences of a guy dressed as a thug saying “What the fuck you lookin’ at?”

    Seriously. Men understand very, very well that staring at *men* is a hostile act; aggressive men respond to being stared at as if it were a challenge or threat. So how exactly could they fail to get that women interpret male stares as hostile?

  12. Nico @ 11 – Good point about kids. When I’m disciplining my kids (4 & 2), the first thing I often have to do is gently grab thier chin and turn thier face towards mine. “Look at me when I’m speaking with you” I say. My two year old sometimes closes her eyes and pretends to be asleep, which cracks me up.

  13. I add my agreement with Lea and the others who have found men’s stares discomforting as threat, not because a stare makes me want to be a beautiful, but quiet, object.

    Perhaps it’s unfair to generalize my experience, but here goes … I do not know many men who have any idea how careful many women are of their safety/security in public. As a matter of routine, I take precautions that don’t even occur to my husband. In fact, he has expressed surprise about some of the things I’ve told him about where I would/wouldn’t walk, who I would/wouldn’t speak to, any number of self-protective measures I take just to walk around in public.

    So, yeah, when a man stares at me, I take it as a threat, and my response is not to turn aggressive, but to “flee.”

  14. Bagelsan, is it possible for you to tell this young man, “yanno how being stared at is uncomfortable, especially for shy people like me? Sooo…CUT IT OUT.” ? I’m not assuming it IS; just asking if it’s something you could try.

    It is TOTALLY disingenous for men to assume that OF COURSE staring at someone is aggressive, if a man is doing it to another MAN, but it’s NOT AT ALL aggressive if a man is doing it to a woman! And why is it not aggressive? Why, because the man doesn’t want to stop staring, that’s why. And if he had to admit that maybe someone COULD interpret it that way, maybe he shouldn’t be staring. But he’s not going to stop, therefore it isn’t aggressive!

    Which is a steaming pile of bullpoop. It IS aggressive, and I’ve used it myself that way – I’ve used it when a group of people have been commenting (not quietly) about me, and I’ve used it on men who stare, too. And there’s no mistaking it for any kind of flirtatiousness or sociability on my part, either: It’s that hundred-yard stare, no smile, no expression. It usually makes people scurry away – which is what it’s intended to do.

  15. Is there a culture where staring is non-aggressive? Especially along gendered lines? That would be… unusual.

  16. That’s not what I was saying. I mean that the tipping point of discomfort changes depending on your context; not everyone understands a stare in the same way. 🙂

  17. Bagelsan – amen. EVERY TIME I’ve ever crossed the road or changed cars on the subway to avoid a skeevy starer I have seen him start harassing someone else much worse, smashing stuff up, and generally being violent. I have happily walked through gangs of loitering youths in my old neighborhood for years, unaccompanied, at 1am. I’ve also happily had conversations with men who smiled at me on the bus or wherever, because they were respectful of my personal space and my signals, and backed off as appropriate. I don’t pride myself on having amazing people skills, in fact I think mine are below par, but these instincts are something all my female friends have in common.

    Indeed my husband has them too. A while ago a guy stared at us in the park, and he said quietly, “That guy is about to try and mug us.” This was news to me, but I trust him as more streetwise than me. Literally seconds later the guy proved him right. It wasn’t scary because I was too busy being impressed at my husband’s perception. My husband squared up to him and stared him down. No words, just staring. The mugger went off and started trying to mug a guy who was running solo down a little path nearby. My husband loitered threateningly and stared (he is a huge guy, why on earth anyone would try and mug him baffles me), and the mugger went away empty-handed. The runner said thank you and went on his way.

    Men know when other men are doing it and they know when they are doing it. Part of the reason we go quiet is because we don’t want to provoke or flatter them with a response while we’re busy gauging the best way out of the situation. Also it’s the reason my husband did it, because he was too busy staring back.

  18. La BellaDonna: It’s kind of a battle of the neuro-atypical, if you will. :p He’s terrible with people so he stares, and I’m not great with people either so the staring is *extra* uncomfortable. But I don’t want to tell him that he’s miserable to be around (even though it’s true) ’cause then he would have *no* one to hang out with and he’d probably feel like crap — his self-esteem, also not so hot. (There’re more than a few reasons why, when he said “wanna go out?” I said “NO, HERE’S THE FRIENDS TALK!”)

    But I kind of feel like it’ll get intolerable eventually; we’ve only even known each other a few months (he asked me out like 1 week after we met! Gah!) and I’m just wondering how long I can hold off on ruining our friendly-acquaintance-ship… ’cause I really do think telling him off would do that. He’s one of those guys who has to be coddled just to function in society, I swear: “No, you did fine in that talk!” “Don’t worry, you don’t sound awkward at all!” “Of course women (who aren’t me) want to date you!”

    When it comes down to it, I don’t think it’s something he can change. It’s just something I *hate* about him. So I don’t know if telling him he’s being creepy would be productive at all… And I’m fine with going full-bitch at a dude but I usually prefer to not kick a guy while he’s (permanently) down.

    /whining :p

  19. Seriously. Men understand very, very well that staring at *men* is a hostile act; aggressive men respond to being stared at as if it were a challenge or threat. So how exactly could they fail to get that women interpret male stares as hostile?

    Well, way oversimplified: because a sexist notion of hostility involves a definition of threat and insult that covers men but not women. Men possess personal space and a level of personal dignity; women don’t, so much. Men can feel that their personal space has been invaded; women cannot. Men can see staring as an unacceptable lead-in to more unacceptable behavior; women cannot. So of course you’re not threatening anybody, you’re just trying to pay a pretty girl a nice compliment. What’s your problem, bitch?

    And we are encouraged to see a disjunct, when we’re told that sexual assault is wrong but staring at a woman’s tits when she’s clearly frightened–or yelling at her when she objects–is perfectly normal.

    I don’t think this double standard is less common than staring: look at the additional level of racist scrutiny and denigration that is but cannot be reason to fear racist violence. We’re encouraged to see no connection whatsoever between profiling and, say, racist verdicts.

  20. @Liz Hi! Sorry it took a while to respond! Yes, it is the same two women, Ann M. Fox and Jessica Cooley. Here’s the website for Staring. Hopefully next year will bring another great show as well…

  21. Well, as someone who has lived both sides of the coin here, and felt both the aggressive stare a man gives another man, and the stare a man gives a woman, I think there is some difference. When a(hetero) man stares at another man it is usually meant directly as a challenge. It’s a dominance thing. It’s directly aggressive.

    When a man stares at a woman that he finds attractive it’s a different weight, a different style. It doesn’t seem to be so much a challenge. There isn’t usually the same level of direct aggression, and the man need not push anger behind the stare, unless the woman stares back and makes it into a challenge. Up to that point, it’s just objectification. Which though distressing is -not- to the one doing the objectification, aggressive. Why be aggressive to an object?

    The stare is usually quite similar to one might give a pretty object, a piece of art, a flower, or the like. Something visually appealing that one finds attractive. It likely isn’t intended as aggressive, or even distressing, it simply isn’t taking the possibility into account.

    Children stare at people all the time. Boys and girls alike. Eventually most grow out of it, as they are informed that it’s rude. Boys stop staring particularly at other boys because they learn the challenge aspect of it. Usually by getting into fights. They often -will- stare at smaller, weaker, or less socially powerful(in some cases) boys. Because they can get away with it. And some will still stare at girls, if they can get away with it, or don’t learn better. And at that age, some girls will do the same.

    Throughout our lives, we are subjected to constant imagery of the female form presented as an object of beauty. Something to look at. Something to stare at. Billboards, posters, ads, tv, movies…everywhere. The male gaze.

    When puberty hits, boys have a new reason to look at, to stare at, women’s bodies. Sexual interest. Sexuality attraction will draw the eye, if one does not decide to stop it. I know many women who surreptitiously check out guys. The key here is that it’s subtle, instead of overt.

    Men will stare at women because there’s no reason -not- too. It’s often encouraged by other young men. The woman has little recourse to do anything about it. There’s no aggression, no challenge, simply a complete disregard for the woman’s feelings.

    A final complication arises in that, in some ways, in some circumstances, a lustful look -can- be flattering. A young woman who is a late bloomer might feel pleased for a time that she’s getting sexual attention. An older woman, numbed to the insult of it, might feel pleased that she’s ‘still got it’. A flirtatious woman who thrives on her use of the one power of her sexuality, the one power classic patriarchy affords her, might encourage it. And modern women’s fashion seems to be designed to be eye-catching and sexualizing.

    Add to this the jealousy that I think many, possibly most, men harbor of that sexual attention women get. Not knowing the discomfort and distress, embarrassment and shame it leads to, and without firsthand experience of the limitations it sets on women, or the other handicaps women have, men are jealous. I think it starts as children, when little girls are told they’re pretty and little boys aren’t. This is just a theory though.

    These, and other things, muddy the waters. It leads the unreflective man to think that his stare -should- be flattering, or at least not distressing. If it is, obviously either there is something wrong with him, or there is something the matter with her. After all, he’s just looking, like you would at any -thing- beautiful, and being called beautiful is a compliment, right?

    I am not in any fashion in any of this attempting to excuse the action. Nor is this the case in all stares. But I do think it bears some resemblance to what is going on.

  22. There’s no aggression, no challenge, simply a complete disregard for the woman’s feelings.

    But that is aggressive. When a man stares at a woman so openly, he’s disregarding her humanity and treating her disrespectfully. When you reduce someone to an object, to a thing, you’re depersonalizing them. I take that as a threat.

    I’m not talking about surreptitiously checking someone out. I’m talking about openly staring at someone. As you said, women do it surreptitiously because, well, openly staring at someone is rude. Except, apparently, when men do it to women.

    And I also dispute that men don’t know about how much this kind of starting puts women off. We say it all the time, and we’re told to just deal with it, that we should be flattered, that one day it will stop and then we’ll be sorry. That tells me not that men don’t get that it’s threatening, but that they don’t care.

  23. Hmm,

    There’s variations on the meaning of aggressive here. In the mind of the man doing it, it’s not aggressive. In that it holds no anger, no tension. It’s not intended as a threat. In the mind of the woman receiving it, it’s threatening. I take it as a threat personally part for the reason you mention(the depersonalizing), and part because I don’t know if there -is- a real threat. That same stare can be a prelude to assault.

    I realize you don’t mean a subtle glance, and that’s why I made the distinction.

    As far as whether men know this puts women off, I don’t know. Some do, obviously. I think many don’t though. I think they know it puts -some- women off. Hence my mentioning that ‘either there is something wrong with them, or something wrong with -her-‘. And guess which he’d rather believe.

    I think many men get told this actually pretty infrequently. And usually it’s only in a very limited number of contexts. And this leads to the possibility of them thinking that the only people bothered by it are women who there is something ‘wrong’ with. Uptight, man-hating, angry feminists, if you’ll excuse my use of that disgusting trope.

    The fact that they say that ‘one day it will stop and then we’ll be sorry’ actually lends credence to my point. This seems to indicate that they think that it -should- be flattering. And are clueless as to why women are upset. Many men think that they themselves would feel good, feel flattered, if an attractive woman was overtly checking them out. So why don’t women feel the same?

    I’ve known many men who in other manners are fairly polite, but who stare. When I’ve pointed it out to them, the response is often along the lines of ‘What, I was only looking’, ‘She was hot, I’m a guy’, ‘I couldn’t help it’, and worse ‘you like women too, you know what it’s like’. All horrible responses, and I’m never sure what the hell to say to them. I’ve had discussions where guys have claimed that ‘they’d feel flattered’.

    What seems to be going on is not an intentional attack, rather a complete disregard. The feelings of the woman in question are just not taken into account. And I’ve never been able to figure out what to say to make them see just how wrong this is.

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