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Literature: Not Enlightened Yet

For my final post, I’d like to talk about something near and dear to my heart: contemporary literature. When I first realized that I wanted to be a novelist, I figured that, gender-wise, I was making the right decision. After all, female scientists might have it hard, but the arts and humanities are totally girl’s stuff, right? Why, just look at writers like Alice Munro, Jhumpa Lahiri, Joyce Carol Oates, and Zadie Smith! I’d have absolutely no problem making a name for myself.

Except, well, no. According to Mslexia.co.uk, even though women read roughly 20% more than men and make up the majority of students in writing workshops, we only author 24% of books published and between 25 and 35% of books reviewed. (Note: this data is old and from the UK, so take it with a grain of salt if you like. Also, I don’t know how many of those women are women of color, although I’m guessing it’s not very many.) In other words, even though women write as much as or more fiction than men, men are much more likely to get their manuscripts published and reviewed. Partly this is because of confidence – women are significantly less likely to submit a manuscript once we’ve finished it – but it’s also due to bias on the parts of editors, reviewers, and readers. Editors are more likely to pass on a manuscript if it’s written by a woman. Reviewers are less likely to write about it. And readers, seeing that female name on the cover, are less likely to give it a try. Sure, some women make it to the big leagues. But they’re a significant minority – and they’re much less likely to develop the cult of personality that male authors (especially those hot young stars!) enjoy. For example, take a look at the sidebar at The Elegant Variation, a major literary blog. Of the twelve works of fiction recommended, ten are written by men.

Then there’s the backlash against women by male writers and readers. I wrote here about Tim Lott’s charge that the Orange Prize (awarded to female fiction writers) discriminates against male writers, whom you’d think were fighting for their very survival from the tone of Lott’s screed. Barry Gewen of Paper Cuts used a book review to explain why men could never be rhythm gymnasts and women could never enjoy pornography. Megan McArdle at the Atlantic tells a reader how he can get his wife to enjoy science fiction, since women could never possibly find spaceships and robots interesting. (The key: tell her it’s like a fairy tale! Awww.) Jonathan Lethem’s last novel featured a mindless caricature of an oversexed woman as its main character. And the literary community accepts all this without question.

The fact is, making it as a female novelist – or poet, short story writer, essayist, journalist, artist, actress, etc., etc. – is a daunting task. I’ve already decided to use a male pen name when I try to sell the science fiction novel I’m working on now; if editors’ and reviewers’ reactions are anything like what I’ve gotten in casual conversation (“You’re writing about what!? What do you know about any of that!?”) I’ll never get anyone to endorse it. Of course, I’m not looking forward to being outed if I go on tour.

Here’s one small thing you can do to help: buy books by female authors. Attend their readings. Recommend them to your friends. Don’t rely on the marketplace to tell you what to read; find alternate feminist channels. In fact, why not post your favorite underrated female writers in the comments section? I’ll start: Margaret Lazarus Dean and Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie.

And with that, I’m out. A quick note: My co-blogger Brown Shoes and I are still looking for contributors to Modern Mitzvot; drop us a line at modernmitzvot at yahoo – com if you’re interested.

Peace!

EDIT: Not that I misspelled Alice Munro’s name or anything.


59 thoughts on Literature: Not Enlightened Yet

  1. Andrea Barrett, who is doubly awesome cuz she’s a female fiction writer who writes a lot about science (her undergrad degree was in bio). Check out Ship’s Fever (National Book Award winner, FWIW) for 9 of the cleanest, most elegantly-crafted short stories about naturalists, biologists, and chemists you will ever read.

    Random question: why use a male pen name instead of going the JK Rowling route and using your initials (which she did, I hear, for much the same reason)? I don’t mean that accusingly at all (I know on the internet it can be hard to read tone), just curious 🙂 (and good luck!)

  2. Margaret Atwood. Mmmm, gotta love her.

    I also have a secret love of Philippa Gregory- namely, her Tudor-era novels. I get hooked on the characters (all female).

  3. Megan McArdle at the Atlantic tells a reader how he can get his wife to enjoy science fiction, since women could never possibly find spaceships and robots interesting. (The key: tell her it’s like a fairy tale! Awww.)

    Someone (not me) should tell Ms. McArdle that I’m a lady and I like science fiction. I’ve read almost every classic Ray Bradbury story (not so much the contemporary ones, though). I tune in for every holiday themed Twilight Zone marathon I can. In fact, I’m watching the 1980s edition of The Twilight Zone right now. Psst, it’s not as good as the old ones.

    TGD, I agree with Isabel. Using your initials feels less like passing to me than using a male pen name, and I am not a fan of passing. I know this is coming from a blogger with the current moniker “Mr. J”. However I did publish my book with my female-identified real name, and I will continue to do so with whatever else I put into the world. How else will women know that we’re important and talented, too?

  4. Good luck on your writing, GD. Personally, I prefer female authors. My favourites are Jeanette Winterson, Sarah Waters and J.K. Rowling. If it offers you any encouragement, when I took French literature courses in university there were female authors included, and the difficulties of writing while female discussed. There are some peeps out there reading women authors!

  5. I feel lucky to hail from Canada where our most renowned authors are female:
    “The Margarets” (Margaret Lawrence and Margaret Atwood),
    Jane Urquehart (a personal favourite, her books are ecstatically beautiful and haunting),
    Alice Munro,
    Lori Lansens (especially “The Girls”: a book about conjoined twins growing up in rural Ontario),
    Susanna Moodie
    Pauline Johnson (a classic female poetess who wrote and perfomed pieces in both European voice/dress and First Nations dress/voice as her family was bi-racial), of course there’s also
    L.M Montgomery who wrote “Anne of Green Gables” amongst many other fantastic women-centered novels, short stories and poems). Those are just the Canadian women I can think of off the top of my head, I’m sure there are numerous fantastic women I’m forgetting.

    I wish you the best of luck with your writing!

  6. Favorite female author: C.J. Cherryh.

    I also write SF, and I use my initials for publication.

  7. This is a topic rather dear to my heart, as a writer myself (so far, a sci-fi writer. Nuts to McArdle) and I’ve always loved that Mslexia manifesto.

    I am afraid I have to agree with Mr. J on names. I considered and rejected the idea of male or gender-neutral (a la Robin Hobb) noms de plume. It seems a clearcut case of the personal (or in this case, personal and commercial) being political to me; but of course, your personal and political may vary. Using one’s initials skates the same ground as gender-neutral names, but does not seem as fraught as selecting a false name for its ambiguity. As I said, this is a personal as well as a political decision, and I wouldn’t blame you either way; just contributing my opinions to the discussion.

    I was just thinking of this question today — of women writing as men — and considering whether such a female author does not run the risk of masculinizing her writing in order to prove her bone fides, of losing her chance for the androgynous genius Woolf attributes to Austen and Shakespeare.

    As she says,

    “So long as you write what you wish to write, that is all that matters; and whether it matters for ages or only for hours, nobody can say. But to sacrifice a hair of the head of your vision, a shade of its colour, in deference to some Headmaster with a silver pot in his hand or to some professor with a measuring-rod up his sleeve, is the most abject treachery, and the sacrifice of wealth and chastity which used to be said to be the greatest of human disasters, a mere flea-bite in comparison.”

  8. Random question: why use a male pen name instead of going the JK Rowling route and using your initials (which she did, I hear, for much the same reason)?

    Yup – her publishing house didn’t think boys would be interested in the books if they were written by a woman.

    As for the initials thing… yeah, I’ve thought about it. Partly it’s just that I don’t like the way my first two initials sound (J kind of runs into A so it sounds like Jayay) and partly it’s that so many women do it now that I wonder if readers aren’t catching on to it. (I have absolutely no evidence to back that up.)

    And the male form of my first name actually would make kind of a cool woman’s name.

    But I’m not even a third of the way through a first draft of this novel, so I have plenty of time to change my mind. 🙂

  9. Hey, Girl Detective, I haven’t had five minutes to breathe during most of your stint here, but I wanted to tell you how much I’ve enjoyed your posts. Ooh, hold on while I kick a troll right quick:

    Those who can, do. Those who can’t, become feminists and whine for the rest of their lives.

    Yes, it’s all based on merit, and only feminists ever complain. Did you click even one link in this post? I’d suggest this one for a start. Of course, when guys complain, it’s based 100% in sterling rationality and objectivity and you can take that to the bank. When the loan officers and executive officers at said bank are predominantly men that will, of course, also be a victory for our truly merit-based system.

    But enough with you, whose banhammering is as inevitable as night following day. Back to the post:

    Megan McArdle at the Atlantic tells a reader how he can get his wife to enjoy science fiction, since women could never possibly find spaceships and robots interesting. (The key: tell her it’s like a fairy tale! Awww.)

    You know what I especially sneer at here?–Megan knows better. I have never interacted personally with her, but I remember reading her first blog, Live! from the WTC, back in 2001, and I know who she was reading and who she was linking back then, and I know well enough how much she bought into the right-wing idea, widely propagated through right-wing blogs at the time, that Real Women Had Moxie. Well, that’s how they liked to put it. What it really meant was that Real Women liked what men liked, including and especially war.

    So listen, Megan, let’s go back in the day for a minute: Would you have condescendingly explained to Michele at A Small Victory that she only liked heavy metal because some dude had patiently taken the time to compare Ronnie James Dio to the Cinderella’s fairy godmother? That’s right you wouldn’t have, because Michele would have kicked your ass up one side of Broadway and down the other, with dozens of us cheering her on as she did it.

    What about the other women you used to call comrades, Megan? Did they only like sci-fi because their boyfriends and husbands “feminized” it for them? What about that female blogger–you know quite well which one–who’s met Harlan Ellison? Was that because she mistook him for Sleeping Beauty?

    When exactly did you decide you could sell out your own sex regardless of political affiliation and still sleep at night, let alone look in the mirror?

    Okay, that wasn’t really about the post either. I’m just fed up with you, McArdle. Really, really fed up.

  10. Paullina Simons — The Bronze Horseman, The Bridge to Holy Cross, & The Summer Garden — the three parter is like Gone with the Wind meets Communist Russia. I think the last book was a bit rushed, but the main characters are soooo compelling.

    I love Margaret Atwood, but she’s not exactly underrated.

  11. I wonder if I dare come out of the closet here.

    I’m a writer of romance novels. Have been since ’93. Didn’t set out to do it; I’d been a SF/fantasy reader since 5th grade, and that was my real love. But through strange circumstances I wrote one of the first romance novels with a shapeshifter/werewolf as the male protagonist … not a “cursed” type of werewolf, but a real shapeshifter. (This was before “paranormal” romance was popular). In the end, the heroine became empowered by recognizing and accepting her own werewolf blood.

    Writers of romance are attacked from all sides: by SF/fantasy readers, by critics, by lit writers, by feminists. What we write are “bodice-rippers”, trash, simplistic fairy-tales, anti-feminist crap. Most of these charges are leveled by pepole who haven’t read a romance novel since the days of “rape fantasy.” Women, after all, aren’t allowed to have their fantasies, because then they might confuse fantasy with reality and expect prince charming to blah blah blah.

    I won’t defend all romance novels. But I know that I strive to make mine about people … not just men and women in love, but about flawed individuals who find part of their redemption through love. I use paranormal themes to stress the struggles of outsiders to find a place in the world and overcome inner obstacles. Both male and female protagonists have problems to overcome … problems of identity and often painful histories. They have to do some personal growing before they can fully accept love. And yes, romance novels have Happy Endings (ta-da!), because there’s nothing wrong with having a little dose of hope to go with harsh reality.

    When I read SF/fantasy as a kid, I heard all the put-downs of my favorite genre. Now Romance has replaced SF/fantasy in the gutter, and I’m still in it. (If I sound bitter, it’s because I don’t much like having my “feminist credentials” constantly in doubt because I write women’s fiction. It’s one thing to be attacked by men who have no idea what they’re talking about, and another to be attacked by women who made broad assumptions about the kind of women who write this kind of fiction.)

    There. Got that off my chest. And one of my favorite authors is C.J. Cherryh. It’s because of her that I met my husband of 23 years.

    Best,

    Sue

  12. Hmm, this is interesting, because I’m afraid I actually am in that non-publishing female group. I have two novels written, but I’ve never tried to get them published cause frankly, I don’t know what the hell I’m doing! I do have to wonder if part of it too is that women have a harder time with rejection than men? Of course I don’t want to generalize, but perhaps on average that’s true. Even though I know that most good writers get hundreds, if not thousands of rejections, I take each one just a teeny bit personally. Also I have an inclination that submitting sometimes involves reading fees, and if not fees, there’s the printing/mailing costs that I unfortunately can’t handle at this point in my life.

  13. I enjoy fantasy author Mary Gentle, who is sadly not very well known all when she should be at the top of the genre (Robert Jordan, Terry Goodkind, and all them got nothing on her). Gentle does gritty, realistic military history better than the male authors, has a degree in 16th century warfare and is a swordsmaster herself, so she really knows her stuff.

    I highly recommend in particular her novel Ash: A Secret History about a 16th century female mercenary captain from Europe who has been forgotten in history, and documents about her are only now just being uncovered. It alternates between a narration of Ash’s life and the correspondence of a modern-day historian who is trying to publish a scholarly work about Ash, but his source material keeps mysteriously vanishing or getting reclassified as fiction. One of the strangest, most wonderful books I’ve ever read!

  14. I have two novels written, but I’ve never tried to get them published cause frankly, I don’t know what the hell I’m doing! I do have to wonder if part of it too is that women have a harder time with rejection than men?

    Nooooo! Don’t say you don’t know what you’re doing! Philip Roth doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing, either.

    As for rejection, I did read a study once that said that we’re trained to rate our own abilities lower than men are. So when we get rejections, it’s much easier for us to come to the conclusion that we’re just not talented. The skin we grow just has to be that much thicker.

    Also I have an inclination that submitting sometimes involves reading fees, and if not fees, there’s the printing/mailing costs that I unfortunately can’t handle at this point in my life.

    That’s actually another huge way that many women are disadvantaged in the literary world. Male writers will often make these proclamations that you must organize your entire life around your writing – work part-time instead of full-time, enter every single contest, go to retreats and conferences, etc. Except that when women make less than men and have to take care of children, doing all that is much harder.

  15. I loved me some Andre Norton when I was a teen. Unfortunately, she’s the only one I can think of off the top of my head, since I’m one of those people who has a hell of a time recalling non-superfamous author’s names unless I either liked them so much that I made a point of finding more things by them or thought they were so godawful that I wanted to make sure I never wasted another second on anything they’d written.

  16. Anne McCaffrey, Anne Lamott, Robin McKinley

    and of course…J.K. Rowling!!!!!!!!

    That being said, I really don’t read enough female authors. This is sad. I now vow to spend the next few weeks mining this message board for beautiful girlie-nuggets of literary pleasure…

  17. @Judith

    Even though I know that most good writers get hundreds, if not thousands of rejections, I take each one just a teeny bit personally.

    You don’t think maybe men also take those rejections “just a teeny bit personally” too? I’ve read countless accounts by men about starting out as a writer, and almost every one talks about how hard it is to work through so many rejection letters. So if it’s too hard for you, that’s fine, but it’s a choice you’re making, and not just something that happened to you because you’re a woman.

    I wish you luck in making whatever choice is right for you.

  18. I wonder if publishers also are just assuming that a female writer will only produce books that a female audience would be interested in. Like how a movie with female leads is assumed to be a “chick flick.”

  19. I’ll second CJ Cherryh, though I don’t think she’s necessarily underrated.

    I also love Marion Zimmer Bradley (who did a lot for other women writers also!).

    Also amazing? Elena Garro, Hanan al-Shaykh, and Rosario Ferre. Among many, many others.

  20. I am a Sci-Fi fan and particularly like reading women and writers of Afrofuturism. Here are my lady picks: Mary Doria Russel, Octavia E. Butler, and Ursula K. Le Guin. In particular, I love Russel’s The Sparrow, Butler’s Lillith’s Brood, and Le Guin’s The Left Hand of Darkness. And I know someone else mentioned Margaret Atwood but I just want to plug Oryx and Crake because I know most people remember her from The Handmaiden’s Tale which I think is less engaging than Oryx and Crake.

  21. Speaking of women writers…. I just found this article on the New York Times Most-Emailed list. It is an article about the “Twilight Saga” written by Stephanie Meyer. It reminds me that just because we are choosing women authors does not mean those writers have feminist values in mind… Besides this particular writer, there are a lot of “chick lit” books that are modern day prince charming stories.

    I don’t know how to do the fancy html stuff so here is the very long url (sorry)

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  22. Becca — yes, that’s very much a factor. Robin Hobb (who I linked to as an example of a gender-neutral nom de plume) wrote under a female name for years. The Wikipedia article and her official website draw a subgenre difference between ML books and RH books. However, I originally found out that Robin Hobb was a pseudonym in the context of an article about how men/boys allegedly won’t buy spec fic books written by women, even if they’re about male characters. Robin Hobb’s first books, the Farseer Trilogy, have a male protagonist, and thus, the article alleged, the publishers asked her to use a more discreet name than ‘Megan.’

    I’ve asked male sci-fi geeks about this, and the most self-examining said, yes, they do shy away from female authors. It seems to come down to a fear of Mercedes Lackey or what some term “romantic fantasy”. They know that if they pick something up by an unknown author, it might be crap. If it’s crap, they’d rather it was masculine pabulum than feminine pabulum.

    It can be discouraging, but I reckon one solution is building a reputation with short fiction before your novel comes out, so that you aren’t an unknown female author to the young man browsing the shelves.

  23. Liz said:

    “It reminds me that just because we are choosing women authors does not mean those writers have feminist values in mind… Besides this particular writer, there are a lot of “chick lit” books that are modern day prince charming stories. ”

    Uh-huh. And I’m sure all romance novels MUST fall into this category. And, of course, such literature isn’t worth anything … even if many women take comfort in these books (such as the several women who have told me that my books inspired them to learn to read.)

    For God’s sake … do you really believe one can’t be a feminist and write romantic stories? Is it that black and white in the minds of most feminists? Is the club really that exclusive? I’ve never believed the crap about elitist feminists who toe the party line. I hope I”m right in not believing it.

    I have to wonder if the fact that not one person has seen fit to reference my post must mean that #1) they don’t consider romance to be worth considering in a post about female writers and #2) they are falling under the category of “I agree with the critics of romance, but would rather ignore the issue.” What I’m seeing is plenty of respect for female SF writers, but none for other female genre writers.

    Am I wrong?

    Honestly, my gut tells me that if anyone does reply, it’ll be to agree that what I write is anti-feminist trash.

    Should anyone actually want to e-mail about genre prejudice BY women, and continue the discussion, do so at sueinnm@gemail.com. However, I fully anticipate that I will be ignored as unworthy.

    I had thought this might be the community for me … I can see it isn’t.

    Sue

  24. Eek. Take a breath, Sue. I don’t think that’s what Lis was getting at, and even if she was, the commenters here are a diverse lot.

    I, too, am a huge fan of Cherryh. Also Le Guin, Norah Lofts, Elizabeth Goudge, Elizabeth E. Wein and Monica Furlong.

  25. Sue, I truly wasn’t trying to make a personal attack on you. Also, not all of my views of what construes feminist values are certainly not upheld by all those who identify as feminist.

  26. Sue, I’ve written hundreds of comments on various blogs that other commenters haven’t responded to. I found your comment enlightening, but the reason I didn’t put that down in writing was because I simply didn’t have anything to say.

    As for Lis’s comment, I’ll let you two discuss that, but don’t assume that a lack of responses equals community-wide derision.

  27. ” I’ve already decided to use a male pen name when I try to sell the science fiction novel I’m working on now”

    You don’t need to do this. Going by initials should suffice. Within SF circles, you don’t even need to do that in my opinion; people won’t be alarmed you’re a woman. If you’re looking to sell the novel as literature that’s sneaky SF, though, then you might want to go ahead and go to initials. But really, initials should suffice. Although, of course, I’m sure your agent knows better than I do.

    Well, send me the novel when you finish it; I’d love to read it. And I’m happy to share anything I’ve learned about marketing, especially if you do decide to market the novel as science fiction rather than mainstream.

  28. Sigh. I made another comment, discussing initials and JKR and whether or not readers are catching onto it — but it got eaten.

    In short:

    I think JKR being asked to publish as JKR is an example of people outside the sf community having preconceptions about who reads and writes fantasy. I don’t think Tor would have asked her to go by initials, though I could be wrong. I think her publisher was caught up in stereotypes that you wouldn’t run into in exactly the same way within the real fantasy & SF community (in that form; as we’ve discussed, I think, there are plenty of other gender biases in fantasy & SF).

    Also, my friend whose children’s fantasy novel is leading the Harper Collins’ children’s line was not asked (to my knowledge) to change to initials. JKR has trail-blazed.

    Lastly, I don’t think readers are catching on to initials-as-female, though I think gender-savvy editors are. I can think of one editor who’s observed he almost never gets initialed subs from men, although I know at least three men who submit under initials. I have published a woman who publishes under her initials, though, and I notice that people on the publishing and reading side will uncritically refer to her as “Mr. Soandso.”

  29. “Also I have an inclination that submitting sometimes involves reading fees, and if not fees, there’s the printing/mailing costs that I unfortunately can’t handle at this point in my life.”

    The rule that I follow (99% of the time) is never submit to anyone who requires a reading fee. The adage goes: money flows to the writer.

    Mailing costs are obnoxious, though, particularly for novels.

    However, for short stories, there are a number of markets that will accept electronic submissions. Some request that authors give them the equivalent of postage to handle the office fees incurred by e-subs (like printing and so on), but others do not.

  30. “Writers of romance are attacked from all sides: by SF/fantasy readers, by critics, by lit writers, by feminists. ”

    Have you heard of Paula Guran, who edited the anthologies “Best Paranormal Romance” and “Best New Romantic Fantasy 2”? (They’re great books, by the way.) Lots of people are interested in the intersections where people are writing both romance and sf/f. It’s an intriguing field.

    Podcastle — http://podcastle.org — which I edit, recently ran a piece that falls under Paula Guran’s umbrella of romantic fantasy, which I know because it’s published in “Best Paranormal Romance.” 😛 The story is “Magic in a Certain Slant of Light” by Deb Coates, which is online in text form here (http://www.strangehorizons.com/2005/20050321/0coates-f.shtml) and audio here (http://podcastle.org/2008/06/03/pc010-magic-in-a-certain-slant-of-light/). It’s a very good piece.

    I haven’t read much romance, but I do really appreciate something I read Liz Henry writing a few years back (I think it was Liz Henry) — romance is the juggernaut of literature. It has huge sales, huge profits, compared to other genres. It’s enormous. Any other genre that had such a lion’s share of the marketplace would be respected at least for that, but romance is derided as inconsequential, of course because it’s dominated by women.

    To paraphrase Joanna Russ (How to Suppress Women’s Writing), “She wrote it, but no one serious could like it.”

  31. I second (third? fourth?) Ursula K. LeGuin. Love her. Also Madeline L’Engle, especially if I am home sick or otherwise feeling sorry for myself. Brings me right back to my childhood.

    A word about reading fees: they are a scam. A reputable literary agent will not charge you a reading fee.

    I work in nonfiction publishing, so what I have to say is only partially relevant here, but: do not take rejection letters personally. Please. A rejection letter does not mean “your work sucks.” It may mean: “we don’t have room for it on our list,” or “we’re planning to publish a book in a similar subject area around the same time” or “this seems interesting, but it’s not really the kind of book we publish here” or “this is a neat idea, but the book’s way too long” or “I’m somewhat interested, but this manuscript clearly needs a lot of developmental work and I already have 238123 manuscripts that need that kind of attention from me and I just don’t have time to do it.”

  32. Sue mentioned the romance genre, and because that’s the genre I study, I also immediately thought of it when I read this post.

    The fact is, making it as a female novelist – or poet, short story writer, essayist, journalist, artist, actress, etc., etc. – is a daunting task. I’ve already decided to use a male pen name when I try to sell the science fiction novel I’m working on now

    Within the romance genre, it’s usually male authors who often feel the need to either take on a (female) pen name or use initials, and all the big names in the genre are women. However, perhaps because romance is considered a “female” genre, reviewers (other than at websites or magazines specifically dedicated to romance) are less likely to write about it than about other genres.

    So with regards to romance I see a pattern similar to the one described in this post, except that it operates against the genre as a whole getting serious attention, recognition etc, rather than against individual women authors being able to get their novels published.

  33. An entire post with comments about women in science fiction and fantasy without a single mention of Lois McMaster Bujold? What is the world coming to!?!?

    And I will out myself here: I love romance novels. And not in a campy “oh, aren’t they cheesy” way. Try to read something by Jo Beverley or Mary Jo Putney or Lisa Kleypas and remain unaffected. Yes, there are genre conventions you have to deal with, but complaining about that is like picking up a mystery novel and complaining that you’re supposed to pay attention to the clues.

    If we can scoot into mystery, may I recommend the late, great Kate Ross? She only wrote four books before she died of cancer, but they’re great books. “Whom the Gods Love” is probably the best, but start with the first one, “Cut to the Quick” since it’s a series with continuing characters.

  34. This past summer I walked into a Borders and in the front they had sections of featured genres for summer reading. Among the usual classis (school required summer reading lists) there was one for women’s fiction. What the hell is this supposed to be? All typical chick lit – Bergdorf blondes and the like. Romance was not even in that section. Needless to say I was annoyed and wondered why they don’t have a men’s fiction section? It sickens me that the book industry continues to marginalize and segregate fiction or any books that are targeted to women.

    P.S. I know alot of people don’t care for Harry Potter, but it is no wonder why it is authored as J.K. Rowling.

  35. Girl Detective, I very much agree with your post. I’m just starting out in the world of fiction writing, and the bitterness towards women writers that I’ve discovered in some literary circles is shocking — I hadn’t expected to encounter it, since my parents made a point of exposing me to both male and female writers.

    Some female authors that I haven’t yet seen mentioned:
    * Barbara Kingsolver (I recommend her essays and her fiction)
    * Cecile Pineda (I may have misspelled her first name, but Face is a very good novel)
    * Carol Sheilds (I recommend her novel Unless)
    * Anne Carson (Autobiography of Red and her translations of Sappho)
    * Edna O’Brien
    * Jane Yolen
    * Anne Enright (What Are You Like?)
    * Rosellen Brown

  36. Wow, lots of great recommendations in this thread – thanks. I just have to put in good words for the little known sword-and-sorcery-esque author Jessica Amanda Salmonson. If you so much as slightly appreciate samurai and strong female lead characters, her book Tomoe Gozen is quite awesome.

    Also, Tamora Pierce’s young adult fantasy books were a favorite refuge as mine when I was a teenager.

  37. I read a lot of sci-fi and fantasy but I always have trouble coming up with names in general. Connie Willis is an awesome writer though, her works run from hilarious (To Say Nothing of the Dog and Bellwether) to a bit darker (The Doomsday Book and Passageway). I’d also suggest Diana Wynne Jones, most of her books are YA or children’s, and Libba Bray. If you’re looking for mysteries: Val Mcdermid (intense and dark and one or two books tend to linger too long on suffering- to the point of luridness) and Sara Paretsky.

  38. L. Timmel Duchamp, Kelley Eskridge, Gywneth Jones, Mary Gentle, Elizabeth Vonarburg, Octavia Butler, Eleanor Arnason, Nicola Griffith, Nalo Hopkinson, “James Tiptree”/ “Raccoona Sheldon” (two pseudonyms for same person), for starters.

    Men: Rafael Carter, Gene Wolfe, Robert Wilson, Stanislaw Lem, Ted Chiang, for starters.

    Check out the Tiptree Award lists.

  39. my own contributions…Hard sci-fi.

    There aren’t enough women that one can compare to the likes of Greg Egan. I had an odd moment when I realized that Octavia Butler is about as hard as they come, despite no explicit science in her stuff. I do not consider cyber(nano)punk and its analogues hard sci-fi (most of them, like those of Melissa Scott, and to a lesser extent Elizabeth Bear and Kathleen Ann Goonan handwave the tech in the plot), which is where most of the good women sci-fi writers are at. While I am about to check out Nina Munteanu–as soon as I finish Charles Stross’s Saturn Children (and knock off a few pages off the nonfiction Evolution in Four Dimensions), allow me to give props to:
    Justina Robson–she’s english, and her stuff is only filtering in US sci-fi circles slowly.
    Jo Walton–she has written a number of outstanding novels over the recent years.
    Kage Baker–she’s just a bit better known, eh?

    SueinNM…Given what you’ve said of your fiction, it is highly improbable that I had not read it and vastly enjoyed it as a teenager in the mid-nineties. I was introduced to your work by a guy, mind you. Tho’ I think Dennis Danvers was the very first though with his book Wilderness. It got made into a decent movie, actually.

  40. Regarding perceptions of women as non-readers of sci-fi, I was probably at least in high school before this stereotype even registered with me. I blame having as some of my earliest memories Anne McCaffrey being read to me upon my mother’s knee.

    As to faves of my own, I’m appalled (appalled!) that no one’s mentioned C. S. Friedman or Kage Baker. Okay, I suppose Baker’s fairly recent and Friedman does a lot of borderline fantasy stuff. I’m trying to remember other authors not mentioned above, but I’m failing. Grrrrrr…

  41. D’oh! Shah8 mentions Baker right above me… that’ll teach me to start a comment, get distracted when trying to dig up examples for it, and not actually post it until an hour after I started…

    I’ll throw out Patricia McKillip as an admirable worker of the genre of fantasy to make this comment something other than me hanging my head in shame.

  42. “Check out the Tiptree Award lists.”

    And Sheree R. Thomas’s _Dark Matter_ anthologies.

    Has anyone been talking about compiling the Carl Brandon winners and nominees into anthologies?

  43. You’ve got a point, Mrs J, but I don’t think you’re aiming your vitriol in the right directions. For one thing the study mentioned books, not fiction and it’s important to mention that there are many areas of non-fiction which are still dominated by men: history, politics, business, computing, sport, music and film, etc. Basically, the ‘serious’ categories which are reviewed often but which rarely sell in large quantities. The ones that tend to sell the most, biographies/memoirs (esp. ‘misery memoirs’) and self help books generally sell more to women, and are more likely to be read by women even if they’re rarely respected by the literary establishment.

    As for fiction, it varies from genre to genre. I was going to mention the romance thing before someone else got there. It probably accounts for a good deal of the female/male statistics featured, not leats because the most voracious romance readers often buy/read six or more a month. Probably the reason they aren’t respected is that far too many still fall within the ‘The Swarthy Foreign Billionaire’s Shameful Proposal’ formula.

    As for other genre fiction, crime and fantasy are about 60/40 male right now while horror’s pretty much 50/50. Literary fiction tends to lean more toward men, though nowhere near as much as it used to. Not only the Orange, but also the Costa, the Booker and the Nobel Prize were all won by women this year, though I’m not sure that translated into big sales in every case. Commercial fiction, you can really split down the middle into chick lit and spy stuff, though these days the former’s probably better represented. That could well be down to women making up the majority of staff these days in both the publishing and bookselling industries. At least they do in the UK.

  44. Oh yeah, I should have mentioned. Up until recently I was working in a bookshop, hence I sell the books in the first place and get to read all the trade publications.

  45. I remember learning years ago that while women tend to read both male and female authors, men tend to read only male authors. I already had a tendency to read female authors, but that just solidified it. A male author has to be pretty special to get on my reading list.

  46. I just wanted to point out that I almost exclusively read Sci-Fi/Fantasay novels written by women. So if you publish as a guy, you might lose some of your audience.

    (Side note: could we please put a moratorium on the sexy hot vampire/vampirehunter/werewolf books here for a while? Everytime I grab something that looks interesting it turns out to be another one. And many of them are not that good.)

  47. I’m planning on using my initials for as long as possible. Ambiguity is the way to go, especially if you’re writing sensitive or ambiguous subject matter, and it’s always interesting to see which stories have people assuming you’re male and which have them guessing you’re female. For instance I wrote a short short story in the first person in which a sexual encounter could have been gay or straight because the gender of the speaker was uncertain. I decided to leave it like that because the gender of the speaker was in every way irrelevant, but I knew if I had a girly name after the title people would assume the story was about a woman. I’m not sure if the story would have lost something, had most readers begun with that assumption. To be on the safe side I just gave my initials.

  48. Carrie Vaughn’s Kitty Series would make an excellent series for TV or movies. And Kitty is a great, and strong, female character.

    Bujold is a no-brainer as far as I’m concerned.

    You realize she was one of the writers that went to Harlequin to get the Luna line set up? Do not diss my romance books!

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