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I Sing Like A Girl

Regular readers know that I am the mother of two darling boys, who I have nicknamed Mayhem and Destruction (nicknames more apt than you know) At any rate, Destruction my 7 year old is incredibly arts centered. He paints, draws, sings, dances, and has recently taken up photography. He is fluent in French and English, and is never shy at expressing himself in either language. So I am thinking to myself I have this wonderfully gifted, fun loving kid, I must be doing something right.  Over this past winter I have really begun to pay attention to his singing, and noticed that he actually has a good singing voice. Those are his fathers genes by the way, Simon Cowell would not give me even two seconds to audition.

Every morning Destruction can be heard singing I’m a Barbie Girl in the shower at the top of his little lungs with a Broadway flair that is unbelievable. This kid loves to sing, and can even be heard downstairs singing on the throne as he has his morning constitutional. So supportive mother that I am, I get the brilliant idea to sign him up for voice lessons.  I thought, he loves to sing so much and he actually has a talent, why not support him in what he loves.  His father and I discussed the idea and we both agree, great now I am excited.  Dinner comes along and I announce to little Destruction my big plan for him, and he looks at me and almost cries.  He doesn’t want to go to singing lessons it seems, because the kids at school tease him for singing like a girl, and can he do karate instead.

As a feminist mom I have over, and over again, stressed the idea that boys and girls are the same. I have corrected him every time he has used the feminine in a pejorative sense. His father (also a devoted feminist) has encouraged gender neutrality, and we have done our best to not model typical gender roles in our home. So I sat there quite baffled when he was upset, because someone told him he sang like a girl. We are not going to force him to do something that he does not want to do, but it occurred to me that this is a perfect example of the ways in which sexism hurts boys too.  If he could completely understand that the feminine is not a pejorative, or a threat to his masculinity, the taunt you sing like a girl would hold no power to hurt him.

In our modernist binary view of gender we have assigned each a role. These roles are limiting too us as individuals, and in the case of little destruction, stopping him from pursuing something that he loves.  We often stop and think about the impact that gender has on women because it manifests itself in ways that are violent, or that lead to poverty.  When it comes to males few feminists will devote a large deal of time discussing the ways in which it encourages boys to shield their emotions, or present a sense of bravado when what they actually feel is fear.  Sexism is an insidious beast and it acts upon us in many ways. What this experience has taught me, is that no matter how good my intentions are, we are all a product of the social world, and we cannot escape the messages that have become ingrained in our society. I will continue to do my part and challenge sexism when I see it, but I fair until it becomes part of our social discourse to eradicate sexism, my efforts will be as invisible as a single grain of sand upon beach.


36 thoughts on I Sing Like A Girl

  1. People think jr. high and high school is where peer pressure starts, and that in elementary school everything is happy-puppy-playtime. But that’s because they don’t remember how brutal 7, 8, and 9-year-olds can be to one another.

    Wouldn’t it be great if your Destruction could do both singing and karate? The yin and the yang: best of both worlds.

  2. I can see why this would hurt you so much, but I also think you could explain some aspects of puberty to your son. When he gets a little older, his voice will change, and he’ll probably sound more masculine. I don’t know if it would exactly cheer him up though, to learn that technically, he sings like a child, not a girl 🙂

  3. He thinks you are clueless. Get use to it.

    Put the idea on the back burner. He might come round to it eventually. Like in a few years. Make the offer again at some future date.

  4. Taunts can still hurt us, even if we know the words of the taunt are baseless. Especially as children. Social acceptance matters a lot to kids, and so if the other kids at school mock your son for his singing, he’s not going to keep it up. He’s going to do whatever he thinks will encourage his peers to view him positively.

  5. One way you might try and help him see that singing is not a gender specific activity might be to provide him with examples of boys singing… Maybe go to a middle school choir night or go see a play that features young boys singing? I have found that my daughter is most impressed with people that are a few years older because then she identifies with them as peers but as “cool” peers.

    I also agree with Jeff, though, in that I know my daughter thinks I am an absolute imbecile so I have to be very, very sneaky with how I help lead her to conclusions.

  6. I would probably have been really good at ballet when I was young, and maybe if I’d taken lessons then, my life would have followed a different path. But as every young boy knew, ballet was for “sissies” and ‘girls”, so when my parents suggested it, I rejected the idea. Socialisation begins very early, and unless a whole community agrees to teach their children differently, all the children in the community will be taught the same old sexist norms, because the other children make sure the children of feminists learn the same things.

  7. Taunts can still hurt us, even if we know the words of the taunt are baseless. Especially as children. Social acceptance matters a lot to kids, and so if the other kids at school mock your son for his singing, he’s not going to keep it up. He’s going to do whatever he thinks will encourage his peers to view him positively.

    Exactly. And all the feminist parenting in the world unfortunately cannot counteract the gendered realities that kids face day to day.

    I’m not a parent, but maybe consider signing him up for a co-ed karate class if that’s what he really wants to do — that way you don’t reinforce the idea that karate is for boys. Then at home and in the car, listen to music by a variety of artists so that singing isn’t a strictly “girly” thing. Maybe rent movie versions of some Broadway musicals, or as the above commenter said, go to junior high and high school musicals. Or are there any other boys at his school who like to sing? A group singing lesson may make it feel more like a cool social thing.

    Supporting gender equality is crucial, but if it comes across as pushing him in one direction or another he’s going to rebel against it. My mom tried really hard to push me towards math and science as a kid — to this day I still hate both subjects. I’m sure most of it is because I’ve simply always been more interested in reading and writing, but I think I’ve also long associated math and science with a kind of “forced feminism” — the things my mom made me do because “there aren’t enough women in math and science.” Not that this is an analogous situation — it sounds here like you’re trying to encourage him to do something he loves, not push him in the opposite direction — but parental encouragement can feel like pushing, sometimes.

    All of that said, it sounds like you’re raising your boys in a way that’s enviable to a lot of us who didn’t grow up in feminist families. As someone who will probably raise children some day, it’s really nice to see that feminist parenthood is possible.

  8. Your son sounds amazing (could another nickname be “Creation”?) and I envy his bilingualism.

  9. I’m not a parent, but a feminist older sister. My brother just finished high school, and is starting art school in the fall. He was always the artsy, sensitive kid in our house, much more so than my sister and myself. When he was really little, he wanted a doll to push around in a stroller and take care of, and he had one. He also played with stereotypical “boys toys.” This changed a lot during elementary school when it became apparent that the other kids he went to school with thought he was weird for liking to do girl stuff. He learned to hide his “girly side,” and to act like the other boys, which was sometimes heartbreaking to my parents and myself: talking to a 12 year old about his friends using the word “fag” in our queer positive house and having him tell you that he knows its wrong but when he tells them to stop, they accuse him of being gay is awful. Especially when you all know that his concern isn’t that he’s actually gay, but the possibility of being ostracized, and homophobic violence. It got better as he got older and became more confident. At 15 or 16 he could become the cool artsy boy, carrying around a sketchbook (it helps that lots of teenage girls love the brooding artist archetype, ensuring that he was seen as sufficiently heterosexual).

    I think sometimes that you have to wait it out. Social acceptance is so important to kids, and for boys that acceptance is tied to being appropriately masculine. I was spending time with my brother and his girlfriend, and it was very apparent that his ability to express emotions and his capacity for intimacy are much greater than most 18 year olds – he is still that sensitive loving kid. We just had to wait for him to come out the other end of the hell that is high school.

  10. Socialisation begins very early, and unless a whole community agrees to teach their children differently, all the children in the community will be taught the same old sexist norms, because the other children make sure the children of feminists learn the same things.

    I fear that I have learned that the hard way. Still their father and I are extremely determined to raise feminist men. We will just redouble our efforts to try and guide mayhem and destruction on their lives paths. Now we know that we cannot afford to slacken our efforts or assume that because we have said something that they necessarily are in agreement with us.

    Thanks everyone for the wonderful suggestions, we will give them a try. It would truly be a shame to see him avoid something he loves because he thinks it is feminine.

  11. If he could completely understand that the feminine is not a pejorative, or a threat to his masculinity, the taunt you sing like a girl would hold no power to hurt him.

    The thing is, it could. Children can hear something they know is untrue directed at them and still be hurt by it. I’m sure you’ve already instilled in him the value of gender equality, but that doesn’t mean sexist taunts directed at your son wouldn’t bouce right off of him.

  12. What Freesia said about children hearing something they know is untrue and still being hurt is very true. Also, you can totally say, “You have a HEAD!” to a kid and if you say it in the right tone of voice, they’ll be insulted.

    So you don’t really need to take his upset over being picked on as meaning that he has internalized misogyny — if he actually believed that he sang like a girl and that it was bad, he wouldn’t do it at home, either.

    I agree with what has been said above about not pushing him into it if he doesn’t want singing lessons, but you might also tell him that you won’t suggest he sing for his friends, or for your friends, or anyone — basically that he knows it’s ok, and you know it’s ok, but that it is also ok to want to not be teased.

  13. I second Jill on signing him up for karate at a place with plenty of female students. Of course, I’m somewhat biased, being a brown belt and senior student under a really wonderful instructor (Louisville area). One night, a new guy (a black belt from another dojo) used the standard martial arts taunt “You kick like a girl” to one of our boys. Who promptly looked at him like he was from Mars, and pointed out that the three strongest kickers in the room were all female. It was a beautiful moment.

  14. I have no advice to offer, but I will say that I find this post inspiring. I’ve recently come to feminism, and I’m still trying to work out what kind of feminist I am. My husband and I talk about it a lot (he’s also trying to work it out for himself). I read your post to him.

    We both really liked it because we agree that sexism negatively affects everyone, not just women. Some things are certainly more damaging to women than they ever have been to men (or ever will be), but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t instances of sexism that damage men heartily (as you’ve posted about here).

  15. If he could completely understand that the feminine is not a pejorative, or a threat to his masculinity, the taunt you sing like a girl would hold no power to hurt him.

    it’s entirely possible that he -does- understand that the feminine is not a pejorative – but that’s little consolation when you’re faced with ostracism and disapproval from your entire peer group.

  16. As far as musical stuff is concerned, could you find him a boy’s choir or youth choir – the directors thereof know how to teach kids? Eight is the typical age for entering choir school. Youth choir would give him plenty of peers. If he’s interested in music you might see if he would like to learn piano / keyboard. I think it is a help for most musicians to learn a little piano.

    If he wants to do karate, great! He can star in “Flying Daggers – The Musical!”

  17. Also, you can totally say, “You have a HEAD!” to a kid and if you say it in the right tone of voice, they’ll be insulted.

    Definitely seconded. I remember when I was a teenager, a girl in my class started calling me “mong”. I had no idea what it was supposed to mean, but I knew it was supposed to be hurtful, so I was hurt by it.

  18. You know… from your description, it seems like he said, “They said I sing like a girl!” as opposed to, say, “They said singing is for girls!” Is there a certain way that boys are supposed to sing?

  19. My son is having to face similar issues now. He used to wear pink and purple and the occasional sparkle, but was hurt by “those are girl colors” no matter how many times we said “all the colors are for everybody” and showed him photos of adult men wearing pink and purple…we even watched Elton John on the Muppet Show. But he is very sensitive, and any “teasing voice” hurts him, just like other commenters have said.

    The challenge now, is that he badly wants a kilt, and wants to wear it around town and even to school, but is worried about teasing. He still wants it, but we are really having to prepare ahead of time. We’re doing role-playing, studying the history of the kilt, putting together a “men in kilts” scrapbook to take to school, as well as talking more about feminism and that there’s nothing wrong with girls. But I have a feeling we are still going to have to have a box of tissues ready when he gets home the first time. I hope I am pleasantly surprised! But there’s only so much you can do to fight against the culture; my fingers are crossed that he at least follows the trend discussed by so many here of emerging from adolescence as a non-conforming feminist. : )

  20. This brings up one of the most challenging aspects of parenting:
    You will teach your children, but, you will not be the only one’s teaching them.

  21. He’s obviously not old enough to understand girls yet, and be interested in romantic relationships, but at the highschool level (at least when I was in school not too long ago) a guy that could sing or dance or act was very popular. We had several of different ages, and their gifts got them into clubs, performing in front of the school and, consequently, all the girls.

    An elementary or middle school kid will find it hard when others jab at an obvious outlet and show of talent. And they will, because they have no better way to vent their frustrations or they just find things that are different scare them.

    Perhaps try and introduce him into a gender-neutral activity like acting and musical theatre? There is far less of a “girly” stigma attached to theatre than to, say, ballet. It can give you excellent vocal training, the same as any young singer would receive, with the added benefit of it being fun and all-inclusive.

  22. Zardeenah: Sorry if you’ve already thought of this, but it might be a good idea to call your school beforehand to give them a bit of a heads up. Especially if the school or his teachers are inclinded to dislike or disallow anything “disruptive” it would be an easier fight to handle it before they’ve taken a stand. We had a boy in my HS who wore a skirt a few times — not against the dress code officially, but he got sent home sometimes because it was “disruptive” and it depended largely on whether the teachers decided to fuss.

    (What I mean is, if he shows up in a kilt, and the teacher goes, “OMG, a boy in a skirt!” that is going to cause trouble, whereas if you’ve already talked it over with them, they’re more likely to go, “Nah, that’s a kilt, no big deal,” even if some kid brings it up.)

  23. Elementary school music teacher here. Leaving aside the issues of gender you’ve raised in in your excellent post, I’d actually advise against private voice lessons for a seven year old boy. His voice is going to change at puberty anyway (at which time it will be a completely different instrument!), and won’t settle down for years afterward. (My voice teacher at conservatory used to say that voice lessons were wasted on males under age 18 or so. I think that’s an extreme view and I don’t endorse it myself, but I can see why she’d say such a thing.)

    I was coming in to make the same suggestion as NancyP above. There are excellent children’s choirs out there, and if you’re in or near a major metropolitan area there’s bound to be one around. He’ll learn the fundamentals there (breathing, head voice, music literacy) while singing age-appropriate repertoire, and there will be a bunch of boys around who sing just like him, which will probably make him feel less fraught about the whole enterprise. I’ll also second the suggestion of piano lessons. Excellent idea if he’s musically inclined, regardless of whether or not he ends up doing any singing. Good luck!

  24. If he could completely understand that the feminine is not a pejorative, or a threat to his masculinity, the taunt you sing like a girl would hold no power to hurt him.

    when i was in 1st/2nd grade, i had one of the more popular kids with glasses leading the ‘four-eyes’ taunts. just because you know it’s a ridiculous insult doesn’t mean it doesn’t make you want to hide the glasses.

  25. Maybe sidestepping the issue is not exactly what you’re going for, but a choir is much more suitable for a kid that age and would give you the double whammy of musical training and exposure to lots of kids who sing.

    (I’m an opera singer and voice teacher, btw, and I generally don’t take kids under 13. If Destruction does end up interested in taking voice lessons, his teacher should mostly be working with him on musical skills and ear training, rather than trying to “build” his voice.)

  26. Renee, see if your town has a boychoir. That way he gets to sing, but is also with other boys…If find one, try taking Destruction to a concert so he can see that singing is totally a “boy” thing as well as a “girl” thing.

  27. Chiming in to recommend a children’s choir for Destruction, and piano lessons, if he’ll take them. Singing is fun, and a good director can really have a positive impact on the kids as well as laying the foundation for good musicianship. (I still use some the techniques I learned in children’s choir lo these many years ago!)

    If he’ll be amenable, piano lessons are also a really valuable just for the musical literacy part. Even if he decides he wants to play tuba and never sing or play piano again, being able to read notes and have a basic grasp of music theory is invaluable no matter what instrument he plays.

    And at least for me, music is always an outlet for when I’m feeling down and out, or any strong emotion, really. Boys are really acculturated, no matter how hard you try to teach the opposite, to not express or hardly even feel any negative emotion but anger. Having some way to express sadness or other emotion, without the stigma of more traditional outlets (e.g., tears), might also be a benefit.

    But then, I’m biased, coming from a family of music teachers, singers, and instrument players.

  28. Threemile: Thanks! I will talk to the teachers — And since in his class, the kids choose their own work, I was thinking that a little project on Scotland for show and tell might not go amiss before”kilt day”.

    I also think the boys’ choir/mixed choir is a fantastic idea. To bring up ballet again, one of the things the San Francisco Ballet school does to help keep the boys in class is have a special boys only class, as well as the regular mixed classes (which usually have only one or two boys per class). All boys, with a male teacher. It’s got to be easier to do something if you’re not the only one.

  29. If he could completely understand that the feminine is not a pejorative, or a threat to his masculinity, the taunt you sing like a girl would hold no power to hurt him.

    I’m sorry, but this is just not true. The power of the taunt isn’t in its content; it is in the emotion and rejection behind the content. I know others have said this in different words, but it bears repeating.

    Moreover, although it is of course laudable that you are teaching him that there are no value differences between boys and girls, he learns every day that it doesn’t mean boys and girls are exactly the same. When you are a child (and when you’re an adult, for that matter), your gender (trans- or cis-) is an important part of your identity, even if you don’t believe that there are traits written in stone that must accompany that gender. I am a staunch, lifelong, non-essentialist feminist, but that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t hurt my sense of identity to have people insist that I seem like a man. Not because there’s anything wrong with being a man or being masculine or gender transgression, but because it would be a denial of an important part of my self. So it is surprising to me that you are “baffled” that it’s upsetting to him to be taunted that way, no matter how feminist he’s been raised.

    (I should add that I perhaps over-identify with him, because as a young child with short hair I was often taunted by other four-year-olds for looking like a boy. I have an uber-feminist wonderful mom, but that didn’t stop it from hurting.)

  30. I suggest getting a karaoke set for the whole family. Your husband can sing along (proving that men do sing) and imitation of great pop/rock singers is also going to teach him some technique.

  31. Also, to beat a dead horse – the taunt “you sing like a girl” is different than “you throw like a girl.” Your response would be exactly right for “you throw like a girl,” because the implication is that girls=bad throwers, you=bad thrower. And obviously we know that girls can throw just as well as boys. But with singing, the point wasn’t that he sings badly, since that is not a stereotype about girls; it’s saying that when he sings, he seems like a girl, which is a very different kind of insult. Sorry for going on about this; it obviously touched a nerve for me.

  32. Thanks everyone for all of your wonderful suggestions. After much discussion with destruction it seems he does indeed view singing like a girl as a negative thing, not because girls sing badly but because he is a boy. He still refuses any form of voice lessons but is considering taking up an instrument. At least he is following his love of music.

  33. Also one addition I found him a kickboxing class in town and the teacher is a woman, also his new art teacher is a male which is a switch from his previous class. We have made a decision to start mixing up his gender roles in the public sphere more. Here is hoping he is on his way to a more open understanding of gender. THanks again.

  34. Hmm. I don’t think it’s as simple as “female is bad; therefore I don’t want to be called female.” I think there’s also pressure and desire to be act gender-typical, be seen as a “real boy” or “real girl.” I remember when I didn’t want to read certain books because “they’re for boys.”

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