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He’s such a boy

Saw a new patient yesterday who apologized for bringing her three-year-old son to the appointment with her. He did pretty well; she brought a bunch of toys and a coloring book and a box of snacks, and she told him in advance that he could have the snacks when I came in the room, so he settled down with his crackers while we talked.  It’s never a surprise to me when kids start to wiggle or wander around during Mom’s exam. It’s hard to sit still when you’re three.  But it does still surprise me when mothers – whether they’re patients or friends – say the kind of thing this woman said to me:

I’m really sorry about him {child is doing nothing unusual, just climbing on and off the chair} My older one, she’s six, and she’s an angel. But he’s all boy.

Meaning what, exactly? That boys are devils? That being active is somehow evil behavior? I know, I know, she probably didn’t mean that he was evil, but he was sitting right there, listening to this.  I have enough trouble with the idea that kids are “good” or “bad” – we don’t use that language with our daughter. Kids are concrete, and they’ll take what they hear very seriously. But beyond that is this idea of being “such a boy”.

Some parents say this with pride – “he’s all boy”. Some say with exasperation, like my patient. Some say it with fear before the baby is born – “I don’t know what I’d do with a boy”. It seems “such a boy” is a kid who is active and inquisitive, a kid who loves to explore and try things out, who wants to know how the world works. It’s a kid who experiences the world physically and doesn’t want to play quietly. “Such a boy” isn’t compliant, doesn’t follow directions as well as his parents would hope, and has a hard time using his words to manage his feelings.

Many of my friends, as they became mothers and raised their children, became convinced that there were essential qualities to gender that they’d previously dismissed, that boys really are biologically driven to play fighting games and girls to play with dolls.  I came  to motherhood relatively late in life. I have only one child, a girl who is verbal and compliant and cares deeply about clothes and makeup and hair, but who also can outrun and outclimb pretty much every boy she knows. I see a lot of differences in the ways the boys in her cohort are raised and socialized, in what’s expected of them. There’s a lot of variation in energy level and verbal ability, and there may well some difference between the “average” boy and the “average” girl – but there’s a lot of overlap in the range. All this “such a boy” stuff tells me that parents aren’t seeing the kid they have; they’re seeing what they expect or hope or fear, their own stereotype of what boys or girls should be, and responding to that rather than to the actual kid in front of them.

Parents are trapped in a paradox of pressure. Schools expect kids to sit still and shut up because we need more rigorous academic training; there’s no money or time for recess or PE. Content is being shoved downward until preschoolers are doing what used to be first-grade work. Parents are signing those same preschoolers up for tutoring to give them an edge.  And, simultaneously, there’s a lot of noise about how boys are at risk. Christina Hoff Summers and her cronies have created a cottage industry decrying the ways in which “misguided feminism” has harmed boys, because sterotypically feminine behavior is privileged in schools, where sitting down and shutting up is the goal. See the circle we have here?

My patient thinks she’s struggling with her son because “he’s all boy”. I think she’s struggling because she’s hundreds of miles away from her family and friends with essentially no support, and every message she hears is that her kids have to start NOW, at age 3 and 6, to prepare for competition in the big bad capitalistic world where they will have to make their way alone, just like she and her husband are making their way alone. They need health insurance and housing and money to put the kids through college, and no job is secure, so he works all the time, and because he works all the time, she has to manage all the kid stuff and house stuff herself. So a kid who sits and plays alone is a lot easier than a kid who really wants to get up to the top of the china cabinet and see if he can fly.

I wish she had a real community, a society that supported her family and bridged the isolation.  I wish we as a country valued something other than material achievement. Maybe then she could expand her vision of what kids are and enjoy her smart, active, questioning son, and come to see him as an individual who is all himself, and not just all boy.


52 thoughts on He’s such a boy

  1. I agree so much, especially on the “we need community” thing. The anthropologist Sarah Blaffer Hrdy has pointed out that humans are essentially “cooperative breeders” (like wolves), where normally extended family and friends pitch in to help raise children. For one nuclear family to do it all themselves (or one mom alone!) is unnatural. Bad for parents. Bad for kids.

    Anthropological texts are full of anecdotes about how Europeans thought that various Native peoples “spoilt” their children because corporal punishment was rare and there was a relaxed and communal approach to child-rearing. Yet even the Puritans who thought Native Americans shamefully lax in child-rearing didn’t do it all themselves – relatives were always around to pitch in.

    I wonder how many cases of child abuse are because of mothers snapping due to stress and having to do everything themselves? There’s no excuse for beating a child to death, of course, but I can sadly picture some overburdened young mom with minimal parenting or coping skills just snapping. One little childish misbehavior on top of an already stress-filled life and RAAH! Mom explodes like the Incredible Hulk and next thing you know, there is a severely injured or dead child and a mom going “Oh dear God what have I done?”

  2. This is a great post, but I will point out that you’re generalizing from a very white, middle-class perspective here. I assure you, poor children are not being groomed to succeed in the big bad capitalist world from age 3.

  3. Hot Tramp, you’re right – I deleted the paragraph where I mentioned my privileged view because I wanted to move it and I never pasted it back in. My bad.

    Parents who live on the economic margins face a much grimmer and more immediate set of pressures, and don’t have the luxury of worrying about preschool tutors. No question.

  4. Should have waited to post that last comment! In our district, poorer kids are no better served by the sit-down-and-shut-up mentality, and are also subject to the biases of a system that labels them failures before they even start school. All kids would benefit from a broader and deeper approach to education, and all parents would be better off with more support.

  5. I’m always amazed at what parents will say in front of children.

    I had taken my two young daughters to Barnes & Noble, and they were playing with the trains back in the children’s section of the store. A few other mothers were there with their sons, and one commented very loudly about how “Boys are always just so fascinated with round things – wheels, balls. Girls just aren’t interested in those things.” She said this loudly within hearing of my daughters, who were playing with trains – and her own son. The woman she was speaking with agreed with her.

    And people say it’s nature, not nurture…

  6. Schools expect kids to sit still and shut up because we need more rigorous academic training; there’s no money or time for recess or PE.

    That and kids who sit still and shut up in crowded classrooms are much easier to control by teachers, principals, and staff who are overtaxed and may no longer be willing to go the extra mile for the individual child for that and/or other factors. Learned this the hard way by being a mouthy contrarian student in junior high and high school with teachers who were petty authoritarians with the attitude best summed up by the command, “Because I say so!!” Part of the reasons why I crashed academically in high school was my inability to not react badly to teachers who were unwilling to tolerate any questioning or dissent.

    every message she hears is that her kids have to start NOW, at age 3 and 6, to prepare for competition in the big bad capitalistic world where they will have to make their way alone, just like she and her husband are making their way alone.

    Sounds very much like the message given to Chinese parents by clan elders to start the rigorous preparation process for the multi-stage Chinese Imperial Civil Service Examinations which in its most well-known form, spanned with some interruptions from the Tang Dynasty to the twilight of the Qing dynasty in 1904. The modern inheritance from such a tradition lives on in the modern cutthroat college entrance examinations in several East Asian countries.

    As bad as the American college admissions process is, it is nowhere near as cutthroat and intense as it is there….though the increasing emphasis on testing ala NCLB means we’re increasingly headed in that direction.

  7. Can I hear a Hell Yah?

    I have two boys and two older brothers. My older brothers were much less inclined to listen and settle down than I was – mostly because I had four people watching me to make sure I behaved! I learned early that direct disobedience was a losing stategy, and something tells me that the second X chromosome had little to do my figuring that out.

    Then my Dad, who was very strict with me, started saying (with pride) that my eldest son was “all boy” and it annoyed the crap out of me. Eventually I responded with “No, actually, his left pinky is female.” Which got a very strange look, but he did cease and desist. He hasn’t started that crap with my younger one, who oddly enough is quieter and more compliant than his older brother despite having a Y-chromosome in there.

  8. I wonder that myself. Are they really all boys or just all kids. I watch people parent their kids, and girls get shamed for acting remotely boyish. Maybe girls act the way they do because encourage them to, because we reward them when they do, and express disappointment when they act anything like boys. But boys, well… will be boys. No wonder they can’t sit still.

    And then there’s me. The genetic aberration with the boundless energy and love of legos and knives from the time I could first distinguish shapes onward.

    Granted, I got lazy later, but I was the one the teachers wanted to put on ritalin; I acted too much like a child my age, and not enough like a girl, apparently. Yay for my mom, who said no.

  9. My daughter’s cousin had a birthday party when he was about 9 where all the kids went to a nature center. When the kids took a short hike one girl complained that she didn’t like all that walking, and her mother told her “Oh, I know, this is a boy’s party.” And my daughter was right there, enjoying herself, and I didn’t know how to contradict what the other mother had said without sounding like I was giving my daughter a lecture.

  10. heh..I’ve gotten “She’s such a boy” from parents when their daughters are being too rambunctious.

  11. It’s clear to me that the most important thing to schools is that children sit still and be quiet. My son is autistic and will sometimes engage in behavior that is disruptive or harmful to himself. I consistently get phone calls from the administration within minutes when his behavior disrupts the class, frustrating the teacher. But I never hear about the behavior in which he silently harms only himself, unless I make an effort to repeatedly ask questions and observe him in class.

  12. THANK YOU. My son is two years, three months. The number of times I’ve heard “Oh, he’s a proper little boy isn’t he?” and variants thereof is astounding. No, idiot, he’s a proper little KID. All healthy kids are active, playful and inquisitive regardless of their gender. Sometimes he likes to snuggle up with his Mummy and Lola, his ‘baby’, and feed Lola biscuits and stroke her hair and wear Mummy’s pink hat while doing so. Does that make him less of a ‘proper little boy’? Would someone like to explain to my son, who at two years three months doesn’t even comprehend that there ARE physical differences between men and women, that those physical differences mean he is expected to behave according to a certain gender construct? No? Then stop being so ridiculous and forcing your own gender prejudices on my thankfully-innocent son.

  13. Oddly enough, the insult my father used most often when I was being rambunctious or “naughty” as a child was, “If I had a son instead, he would never behave like that!”

  14. It seems “such a boy” is a kid who is active and inquisitive, a kid who loves to explore and try things out, who wants to know how the world works. It’s a kid who experiences the world physically and doesn’t want to play quietly. “Such a boy” isn’t compliant, doesn’t follow directions as well as his parents would hope, and has a hard time using his words to manage his feelings.

    That is a pretty good description of my two daughters. I guess they must not have gotten the memo.

  15. Tapetum! HELL YAH! I could have written your post!

    I also hear my patients use the term, “all boy”, to excuse normal or even BAD behavior and cannot resist correcting them.

    Growing up in the sixties, being a tomboy and reading the “Sally, Dick and Jane” , books where Sally was admonished and chided for playing with, “toys for boys”, like bicycles, skateboards, and such confused me then and angers me now.
    (‘Sorry for the run-on!)

    I have no doubt I would be a very different person had all my athletic talents and varied interests been encouraged….as my brothers’ were.

  16. If “he’s such a boy” (which is at least what he’s “supposed” to be) is the disapproving comment a male child gets, imagine the comments when a boy’s behavior is more like that supposedly typical of a girl. My nephew is verbal and socially adept; he likes stuffed animals and Polly Pockets and the relational play that is supposed to be typical of girls; his favorite movie is Barbie: Swan Lake. His father and older brother tease him mercilessly, and his nursery school teacher expressly forbid him from playing with the “girl toys.” His grandma worries he’s gay, and tries to lure him out of the pink and purple aisle toward the Spiderman toys. At age 3, he said to me, sadly and with a big sigh, “I know, there’s girl toys and there’s boy toys and I’m a boys.” Nearly every message he’s getting tells him that his own preferences for play and behavior are unacceptable.

  17. omg, i HATED when people would ask me, within days of each child’s birth, “is he a good baby?” WTF? how in hell can a freakin’ newborn be BAD??? My standard response was “all babies are good, some are just easier than others.” And of course, good is defined essentially as “sleeping all day, eating when told and never at any other time, and leaving their parents alone.” The grooming to sit down, shut up and take directions starts the moment a baby emerges from the uterus.

  18. Last week, at dinner with some of the natives in Manchester, UK, I heard them use the phrase “He was such a boy” to refer to a person’s inability to take an injury with even a modest degree of stoicism. The explanation was, roughly, “Well, everyone knows that women are generally tougher then men. So, if you whine, complain, or pass out, then you’re being a total boy.”

  19. As the parent of five boys, I can expertly say that not one of them are alike. The study of five boys over 20 odd years should qualify as somewhat expert if you ask me. How to explain my children? That would be a tall order because each is so individual.

    I don’t have one I could call all boy. Probably because there’s no such thing, and I already know that. I also have one daughter. Can’t call her all girl. Maybe I can call all my kids half girl/half boy? Nah, I’d rather just say they are themselves. It fits them better. That’s exactly who they are, and who I always hoped they’d be.

  20. Trixie 23, I remember the Dick and Sally. And when I do, I laugh. I wonder what the writers of that crap would make of me now. They never included what androgynous people should and shouldn’t do.

  21. I can’t say if it’s nature or nurture, but the sons of two of my friends could not sit down and listen quietly in primary school. Luckily they both found Montessori programs, which let the children — both boys and girls obviously — do things and move around.

  22. Suz, you really hit the core of this whole thing. The more we insist on tagging some narrow definition of behavior as “boy” or “girl”, the harder we make it on all kids – because as so many of you describe, none of them are all one thing or all the other. They are who they are, individuals trying to reconcile their inner selves to the outside world, and my job as a parent is to really see who my kid is and help her find her voice and her place. If I see her as “girl” or “mine” or any other projection of my own ideas and stereotypes, I’m not really seeing her – and if I don’t see her in the fullness of herself, how will anybody else?

    Some of the gender straitjackets have dropped away since I was in elementary school – no one will tell my daughter she can’t play the drums, and she’s allowed to wear pants to school. But there are other equally narrow and equally harmful categories kids are being forced into.

  23. Jay, that’s when you try to teach her to discern things for herself. It’s how I help my daughter. The flat out basic is…you decide what you believe, think, are. I taught my boys the same. Never buy into the rhetoric of other peoples’ beliefs unless you’ve learned for yourself and allowed it to become what you believe. Then understand that in the end your daughter may or may not come to the things you believe.

    As a parent, I don’t expect my children to become anything other than who they are. I believe the most important thing I taught my children is to think for themselves. No organization or any other person can tell you anything. Who you are and what you believe are the things that you have to research and decide for yourself. You’ll never find it in another person’s words or in a book, and your mom can’t tell you either. I can only tell you how I think, it’s up to you to decide how you think. That is the one thing in life that is not negotiable. My children decide for themselves who they are and what they believe. Not even their mother has fucked with that basic truth.

  24. Suze, I would be VERY concerned about his nursery school teacher expressly forbidding him from playing with the “girl toys.” In fact, I think you could take that to the principal or whomever and complain about his not getting a well-rounded education, and her forcing gender discrimination on him. It’s role stereotyping, and I can imagine they wouldn’t want a parent to talk to a local paper about how backward the school is, now would they?

    Yes, I believe in using the tactics they’d understand to get things done.

  25. Excellent post, Jay! Everytime someone makes comments about kids/infants relating them to gender-types, I feel equally sad (and annoyed too). I think some of the commenters have also covered the areas you left off – for example, kids raised in poorer families. I come from a country where women are pretty badly persecuted by a patriarchal society (it’s changing slowly but very slowly) but I do believe the gender-typing at a very young age is worse here in the US, and parents seem to be compelled into complying lest they raise weirdo kids! (sarcasm) -AG

  26. “All healthy kids are active, playful and inquisitive regardless of their gender.”

    Yay! Now we’re othering kids that aren’t like that!

    Perhaps some kids are active and some kids aren’t, and genitals don’t determine that behavior?

  27. Adding my yes here. People have so many goofy, narrow expectations about children. My son is just two, and his teacher complained that he doesn’t always want to do what the other kids do (not rambunctious, just not outgoing right off).

    And I want to say yes, well, he’s TWO. 24 months out of the womb, he’s supposed to understand that he’s not being social enough and needs to play with other kids more? He’s happy, he’s not causing any problems, he engages with lots of people when he feels like it. Why is that not good enough? Because it falls outside of his teacher’s definition of Normal.

    Gender-wise, he confuses people because he is a moose, but not at all into aggressive play (though he likes a good tickle-wrestle). I get told he’s “so good!” but you know, he’s just quiet. It’s not about good–he’s not doing it to please me, but himself. If loudness pleased him, he’d do that instead. And has.

    It’s really my husband’s and my fault for breeding, though. He’s behaving exactly as we did as children, with almost the same results. At least we understand him.

  28. He’s happy, he’s not causing any problems, he engages with lots of people when he feels like it. Why is that not good enough? Because it falls outside of his teacher’s definition of Normal.

    Although I once dismissed it as pop psychology, here’s where the Myers-Briggs personality type system is enlightening: we don’t all have the same personality; but we tend to assume the personality we do have is the only one, or the most desirable one, or something.

    A person drawn to teaching two-year-olds is far more apt to crave human interaction during the work day than an accountant or software engineer would be, but neither personality is more desirable or more “normal” than the other.

  29. Once again I feel so lucky for having my parents. We never got anything like this — the main bias in our upbringing was “YAY BOOKS AND LEARNING” which both of us (girls) took to as much as our booky parents had. My parents, especially Dad (the more sciencey one) gave us sciencey presents like pocket microscopes and bug houses, then books on the sciences each of us seemed most interested in as we grew up. They both read to us, told us we could be and do anything, et cetera. They taught us about evolution as soon as we asked, taught us about history as soon as we were curious, recommended books, took us to museums…I can’t imagine anything being different had we been boys. I think it’s why I was so shocked when I entered middle school and started getting more obvious gender messages from society.

    This stuff terrifies me. I guess it’s a good thing I’m more and more unlikely to have kids, because I would have such a hard time not saying something to anyone who said this crap around my child.

    It strikes me that this is one of the reasons that we really should encourage kids to watch less TV. All of us here know the MSM is full of this kind of essentialism, especially commercials. When you’re outside playing tag, or catching beetles, or climbing trees, or inside playing dress-up or making your stuffed animals have a party, you’re not receiving as many toxic messages. And you might just be learning and observing and developing your brain. You’re sure going to need your brain to get through this mess….

  30. With my two I can see some definite differences between what catches my son’s attention versus my daughter’s. He deeply adores trucks, planes, trains and even before his second birthday was showing deep interest in what is inside of toys and such. I always say I’m in deep trouble when he figures out how to use a screwdriver. I’ll be surprised if he’s not regularly trying to take things apart on me, just because he’s already trying a bit.

    My daughter is 5 and the classic princess kid in many ways. But she’s definitely the louder and wilder of the two. Loves bugs (except spiders because we have too many black widow spiders) and is very artistic. Loves dancing.

    I’m always glad to give both the opportunity to just have fun. I figure if they don’t sometimes need an extra bath because they got so dirty that nothing else will do, they aren’t playing near hard enough for their age. We make sure both have building toys, art supplies, etc. and use them as they see fit. It’s amazing what that can do for the imagination.

  31. My baby cousin it 4, with the most beautiful curly hair I have ever seen. He loves Strawberry Shortcake, dress up, heels, make up, and other “girly” things. His grandmother makes him keep his hair short, and is always reminding him that he’s a boy. We all went to Disney a few years ago, and his older sister got a princess dress, and he bawled but his mother and grandmother wouldn’t let him have one. And they were horrible embarrassed by his asking in front of strangers.

    I, encouraged his love for dresses. And told him when he grew up, he could be the girl he always wanted to be. (I got in a lot of trouble for encouraging such things. It’s cause I’m a lesbian. Gotta keep my recruiting numbers up.)

    I hope that when I have children, that I can teach them the difference between boys and girls is one letter and if their stuff is on the inside or the outside.

  32. Every time some one says that schools today are so bad for boys I remember what my grandpa told about his school days. Hands on the table, head straight to the teacher, clean hand-writing or you would get slapped on the wrist, every time some one giggled or moved he or she would have to pull down the pants to get spanked. Apparently girls got punished less often but it surely must have been a lot worse for boys than today.

  33. Emjaybee, when my daughter was 2.5, we had a major family loss right around the time she started preschool in September. At our parent-teacher conference in November, the teacher told me that she thought our daughter had “recovered” from the trauma, because after about a month she’d started joining in more during circle time. Before that she’d kept to herself and sat off to the side.

    Um, that wasn’t trauma; that was my kid. She takes time to warm up to new people and new situations; she doesn’t dive right in. She isn’t shaking and crying, but she’ll be very quiet and stay off by herself for a while until she’s ready. People see what they want to see, not what’s actually there.

  34. I’ve been really lucky with my two sons. It hasn’t been perfect, but the assumptions here in the People’s Republic of Travis County (that’d be Austin) is a lot more gender-neutral than many places, especially the rest of Texas. My older son had the most gorgeous blond curls as a toddler. I didn’t cut his hair until he was almost three, and then only because it had grown down into his eyes and become a safety issue. Even then I cried. All the teachers at his preschool cried. The mother of his (curly blonde-headed girl) best friend cried. The fact that shortly after that time his hair turned dark brown and straight only made it worse.

    My younger son’s favorite “center” at the same preschool was the kitchen. He liked to pretend to cook.

    Sort of off-topic story, but it is cute:

    Scene: I’m putting the boys to bed one night when Dad is out of town. They share a room.

    Younger Son: I’m going to marry Katherine, Ellie, and Maggie.

    Older Son: Aaron, you can’t do that. Some of them have to be your ex-wives.

    I did manage not to collapse in hysterical laughter and explain that ex-wives aren’t a necessary feature of existence. Then I went outside into the back yard and had hysterics. Oh, and Ellie and Maggie’s mothers are both divorce lawyers.

  35. A while back I was at my sister’s house and a kid from the local college wanted to give my nephew a variety of iq and social tests (he needed to do it for class). At one point he said, “We usually use a doll at this point, but you’re a boy and you probably don’t like dolls.” Props to my sister who told her little boy to go get his doll (which he loves) and show the college kid.

    I have to say, though, that putting kids into male/female categories can be pretty blasted hard on them. I remember when I was about 7 and had brain surgery, so I had my head shaved. I would cry whenever people called me a boy or laughed when I went into the girls’ restroom, or the kids at school would make fun, calling me their favorite epithet: boy-girl (I don’t blame them, I know this had a lot to do with the way they were raised). As though a person can’t be female and look either male or androgynous.

  36. I get frustrated because my younger son is always excused for his bad behavior because he is “all boy”. I tell the teacher/aide/etc. that while I do think my son deals with an inordinate amount of energy, I would prefer that he be given coping skills/strategies to deal with that energy and learn to comply with the rules of the classroom, versus having the expectations lowered for him. It seems a bit self-fulfilling to me…. I misbehave, I’m excused (albeit with tongue clucking and eye rolling) for being “all boy”, I know that I can misbehave again without much consequence….

  37. I’m storing all of this for the future–we’re expecting our first spawn in the spring, and I’m so tired of telling people that No, we don’t NEED to know the sex of our baby. It’s curiosity for us only, and we are more than willing to wait for the slap of stereotypes.

  38. I get this all the time. I have a 20 month old boy, and he’s an inquisitive, active, little man. Always, I hear, “He’s such a boy!” Bite me. He’s an active child.

  39. What a hoot. I live with two boys, 12 and 13. One is an outdoorsy boy scout type. The other would rather die than go on a hike. He and his friends dress up in anime costumes and read a lot of fantasy books. Their cousins are girls nearly their age. One is an uncontrollable hellion (much worse than the boys ever were), and the other looks like a princess but has a subversive edge and sly wit that I PRAY will not get buried under ‘what should I wear so the other girls won’t make fun of me.’ Anyway, the are INDIVIDUALS with different tastes that do not stack up strictly by gender, and the four of them, since their parents are two brothers who married two sisters, are more closely related genetically than even parentts and children.

  40. My almost 4-year old boy was beyond thrilled when we got him some of the dollhouses he’s been pleading for. Takes all the little dollies and puts them on his trains so that they can go to work, too, just like Mommie and Daddy, then they come home and make dinner and take out the dog. We don’t have a dog, so I don’t quite know where he got that from.

  41. Mo, I was beyond concerned about the teacher not allowing my nephew to play with “girl toys”–outraged is a better word. My sister had a firm talk with the nursery school teacher about allowing him to play with whatever he wished, and the teacher backed off.

    This goes to the larger issue, though, of the multiple points through which kids receive messages that there is an appropriate gender role for them and that to deviate from it is unacceptable. Even if parents support the child doing what he or she is comfortable with, there are many other forces at work to label them. For example, I was once with my nephew and my sister when she ordered him a Happy Meal at McDonalds, and the cashier asked “Girl toy or boy toy?” and Linda replied “Girl toy” because the kid desperately wanted the My Pretty Pony with the tail you can comb rather than the Transformer. But my nephew stood there and listened while the cashier clarified “Girl toy?” as she stared at him.

    And girls get similar coercion, just toward different things. My friend’s daughter has this heinous fairy book (starring real little girls dressed in tutus and wings) in which the fairies start out playing music and dancing, but soon turn to mopping and sweeping and baking. There are no boys there, just good little fairy girls cleaning and cooking. I think children should learn to care for their surroundings, but why only girls? I have a lot of trouble with the social grooming of kids to replicate these limiting roles, but it’s nearly impossible to avoid if you want to live in the world. If you want your children to have more freedom, you’ve got to figure out how to counter these pervasive messages and hope that your child listens more carefully to you. Lots of kids don’t have parents who are attuned to this though, or they have parents who genuinely want the kids to conform to the prescribed traditional gender role.

  42. Kat, probably because “he’s just a boy” is a lot cheaper and easier than actually moving their asses to treat him like an individual.

  43. For example, I was once with my nephew and my sister when she ordered him a Happy Meal at McDonalds, and the cashier asked “Girl toy or boy toy?” and Linda replied “Girl toy” because the kid desperately wanted the My Pretty Pony with the tail you can comb rather than the Transformer. But my nephew stood there and listened while the cashier clarified “Girl toy?” as she stared at him.

    I thought they weren’t supposed to do that, that they’re supposed to refer to the product by name (a strange harmony between product promotion and gender neutrality, I suppose). From time to time when I get a hankering for McDonalds, I get a Happy Meal for myself, and when I get asked the “Boy or Girl Toy?” question I mention that they’re not supposed to refer to it that way, because it can make kids uncomfortable (and anyway, they’re supposed to be promoting a branded product). I get a variety of responses, but it’s something that I think makes sense to challenge on the consumer level to the extent the corporate policy isn’t well-communicated.

  44. Here we are all complaining about gender discrimination and sexual stereotyping attitudes but at the same time today we all are seeing the media being flooded by comments by feminists themselves that- ” today’s men are not men enough”, “there are no longer men around”,”men should be manly”, etc. On one hand, we all are seeing an increasing attempt by feminists themselves to sexually stereotype men and masculinity and deliberate attempts are being made in the media as to what constitutes to be a “man” or being “manly or man enough” and how men should behave in order to be a “man”. Then why are we complaining when mothers are similarly trying to imbibe these same values among children.Why this double standard by women themselves.

  45. Randy has hit the bulls eye. Today we are all witnessing a tremendous media propaganda by media feminists that today men are not being what “men” used to be, men are not “men” enough, we want our men to be “manly” and not “sissies” etc. Comments like these from feminists are flooding the media. What are these? These are nothing but outright attempts to sexually stereotype men, masculinity and what constitute “manly” behavior .
    On one hand, we are seeing brazen attempts not only to sexually stereotype men but also to pour scorn on men who do not conform to such behavior standards and jeering them as a “sissies” by women themselves. On one hand, we are seeing indignant women protesting if boys are taught sexually stereotyped attitudes and at the same time when the boy grows up to be an adult man, he is expected all of a suddenly to display attitudes which are supposed to be “manly” and if he does not, he is taunted as a “sissy” by women themselves. Is this not totally pathetic????? Is it not time for feminists to change their own dismal mindsets.

  46. FYI to Randy, Xanadu, and Julie, Mythbuster and Robert who are sitting in moderation:

    We do not look kindly on one person serial-posting under a series of different handles. Pick one name and stick to it, or we ban you.

    Also, did we get a link from an MRA website or something?

  47. Thank you for this post. “He’s such a boy” annoys the hell out of me, especially when used as a complement. I am parent to an 2 1/2 year old boy and 5 month old daughter. Would you consider my kid less of a boy if you observed him quietly reading for a half hour or more? My daughter, who is just as engaged and energetic as her brother at the same age, better not be penalized for the same behavior that people seem to expect and often praise in boys.

  48. this reminded me of an experience i had in the elevator the other day. i entered when two women (one very pregnant) were talking. the not-pregnant (np) one was asking if this were her first child and if she was getting used to the feelings of being pregnant and the pregnant woman (p) spoke of adjusting to sleeping on her back, etc. then the np lady asked if it was moving around a lot or kicking yet and the p lady said she had recently started feeling it move. the np lady responded by saying “oh is it pretty wild, does it kick a lot?” to which the p lady replied “no, so far its pretty calm” and finally the np lady said “oh, probably a girl then”.

    it just about made my skin crawl. if it had been a longer elevator ride i would have said something but we stepped out just as i heard the p lady say, “no actually, its a boy”

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