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Encouraging girls in science and technology

In response to my introductory post, a few people commented that they were looking forward to my posts on the topic of women in the sciences and engineering, as they know girls or young women who show aptitude and interest in science and they wanted to know how to encourage them. My first couple of related posts, however, aren’t exactly encouraging. This, therefore, is my attempt to be a little more helpful.

In my own life, it seems my interests naturally gravitated towards the sciences, and since nobody told me I couldn’t do science, I just assumed I could. But when I think about it, I did get a certain amount of encouragement, especially from my father. He had a few computers over the years (I particularly remember a Tandy laptop) and introduced me to the BASIC programming language. I wrote math games (probably my father’s suggestion) and a karaoke-like program that would play the melody to “Material Girl” while the words scrolled across the screen (my own idea, or possibly my sister’s). I had dolls and costume jewelry, but I also had LEGO blocks and tinker toys, which I’ve always thought of as “gender-neutral” toys, but according to the Toys-R-Us gender segregation system are definite boy toys.

I was a social misfit as an adolescent and, as part of my stubborn streak of individuality, simply refused to conform to most gender roles. While my childhood was filled with Brownies and Girl Guides (you Americans would say Girl Scouts), as a teenager I joined a male-dominated group open to both sexes. That group taught aerodynamics and wilderness survival, which in my opinion were much more fun than crafts and camping-lite. When I decided that airplanes were my passion, my mother encouraged me through the process of getting a government scholarship for a private pilot’s license.

That’s not to say that I gave up feminine-coded activities altogether. I was an avid reader, including such frivolous literature as Sweet Valley High and the incest-obsessed V.C. Andrews novels. Language skills are important no matter what direction a person’s career takes; a scientist who cannot communicate her ideas is not a successful scientist. I took baton-twirling lessons; I’m not sure that it helped me much, but it didn’t hurt either. My room was painted pink with a heart theme.

My parents didn’t see my interests as odd, or if they did, they hid it well. While my mother is not very-well educated, she was the woman in her group of single-mother friends who would program the VCRs and solder the broken lamps of her friends, and later, clean off their Windows 3.1 desktops for them. She did all our minor home repairs and some major renovations, and it didn’t occur to me that there was supposed to be a man around to do these things. My father liked to have me handing him tools when he was repairing the engine on his boat. In retrospect, that’s something a father does with his sons, but since my father had only daughters and I was interested in how the engine worked, he encouraged my questions.

Since I’m a sample size of one, and I don’t have a doppelganger to use as a control, I’m not sure which aspects of my upbringing were most important in my decisions. The biggest thing I can think of doing is simply not discouraging any girl or young woman who is interested in the sciences. Tell her you know she can do it. Help her follow her interests. If she likes chemistry (or cooking, which is chemistry), buy her a chemistry set. If she likes astronomy, take her to a planetarium. Even if her dreams are a little romanticized, they may lead her in a direction that makes a good permanent career. Enroll her in math camp or computer programming camp over the summer. These things are all pretty simple, but apparently not done enough. Those who run these camps say that parents bring the boys in, but the girls have to beg to be allowed to come. Don’t pressure her into sciences that don’t interest her, though. The dinosaur books and tape went right into the garbage. My parents may have wanted me to be a doctor, but blood grosses me right out, and so they encouraged the physics/engineering route instead.

Model gender-deviant behaviour yourself. There has to be some interest you have that doesn’t fit neatly into your own gender role; let your children and those of your friends see you participating in whatever interests you, regardless of its gender connotations.

I know several geeky women read Feministe: what sparked your interest in the sciences and technology? What kept your interests going? What obstacles were in your way?


37 thoughts on Encouraging girls in science and technology

  1. I grew up surrounded by science because both of my parents were scientists. And was a geeky kid. As an adult I’m an artist – but one who works with computers and technology. Oldest daughter grew up geeky and interested in science – and w/2 feminist parents encouraging interest in same. She’s now studying biology in college so guess it skipped my generation and went to her.

    Obstacles for me – serious lack of mathematical ability. Never a lack of interest. Have always had the model that both science and art are creative endeavors.

  2. Yard sales are great places to get math and science-type toys. My mom bought my every yard sale math manipulative she saw. Unfortunately you also pick up decades-old teaching fads, but that’s what I call entertainment. In fact I recall building a geodesic dome for a pet rock. Go ahead, laugh. I was a Spirograph virtuoso.

    I think it’s also important to consider the pre-K and elementary years. For that I love pattern blocks and Cuisinaire rods, although it breaks my heart that they aren’t made of stained wood anymore. They were so lovely.

  3. While I’m talking elementary, it occurs to me that an early headstart was an important factor. Because I was able to hold my own and more in science and math from day 1, there was never any room for insecurity or disinterest to creep in.

    I also wish to state that it was not I who burned my name into the back of the elementary school with the magnifying glass. They always try to pin these things on the kid who likes looking through the magnifying glass.

  4. I’m an art history undergrad right now, but for a long time I wanted to be an astronomer (until I discovered how much math it requires and how much I don’t like math). One of my aunts, who is awesome in general, was constantly doing things like giving me the VHS of Contact and taking me to our local observatory. I was saving money to go to Space Camp; even though I never did save enough to go, I had one relative who would give me babysitting jobs and stuff to help me earn money specifically for Space Camp. My dad found an MS-DOS program about space and astronomy, and I used it a lot (one of my favorite things to do with it was crash different sizes of meteors into Earth to see how much damage they would do). My family had a library outing every Thursday night, and I checked out a lot of books about science and history as well as all the novels I read.

    So basically, no one in my family ever said, “Because you’re a girl, you must do x, but you can’t do y.” They all just encouraged me to read and explore a lot, and my parents have always told me that they would be proud of me no matter what I decided to do.

    And it’s a little off-topic, but I can’t resist throwing in that the awesome aunt got her Ph.D. (the first in the family) in psychology a few years ago and is now teaching at a small college.

  5. Support your daughters, encourage them, don’t let them get away with playing dumb, and don’t put up with the sexist crap that they’ll probably come across. Also, make them aware of what they can do with science/ technology/ engineering/ math degrees – you really can help people with STEM degrees (and their pay is normally pretty good, too).

    Also, let them know that you don’t have to be a geek to pursue science. I never really played with any of the science-y games, or took apart the family toaster, but I am still close to a PhD in a STEM field.

  6. Oh, and the other thing (sorry, I can’t seem to shush at the moment) is that one time I went to a real geology lab. It was so awesome because it wasn’t a museum atmosphere where things are arranged in kid-size bits– I was a little too cool for school and thought museums were for babies. Seeing the real thing and being totally baffled by it made me appreciate what an impressive undertaking it was. Another time a nice lady showed me around her job as HVAC manager of a large university and it was the same sort of experience. Sometimes it’s good to send a message of “it’s not too hard and you can do it,” but if the kid actually believes that, they might think it’s facile. I was excited by the message of “it’s really hard and will take decades of your life before you even hope to understand.”

  7. It honestly never occurred to me that I shouldn’t be interested in science. Even growing up in rural WV (where traditional gender roles still rule), I was always encouraged to do whatever I enjoyed, by both my parents. I was always into astronomy, so Mom would pester Dad into taking us up into the mountains at night for stargazing (or meteor showers, etc.) My uncle is a geophysicist and he would always send me books, etc., about astronomy/physics. In fact, one of the first nonfiction books that I remember reading all the way through by myself was an old general science textbook that he sent me.

    Oddly, though, of the three of us girls, I was always the most traditionally feminine one. Both my sisters were complete tomboys, always outside playing and getting dirty, never wore dresses, hated makeup and hair, etc., while I was into frilly things, cooking, I hated getting dirty, and I always, always had my nose in a book (we are all three very mouthy and unlikely to take shit from others).

    But I was also the one mostly encouraged to go into the hard sciences while my sisters were pushed more toward the nurse/caregiver route (and I have an MS in physics that I don’t use much, they are a nurse and a PTA, both working in nursing homes). I never thought of it before, but maybe I was encouraged in my non-feminine interests so much because I was so much more feminine in other ways?

  8. You can still get the wood cuisinaire rods; the plastic ones are cheaper, though.

    I had two or three outstanding math teachers in high school. Looking back, there was clearly a sensibility in that department that they were going to go all out to encourage girls do excel in math. In later high school, in the higher math classes, the classes were probably 75% male, but in the earlier years, they ran special math classes for gifted students in math, which were at least 50-50, if not more skewed toward the girls. One of the differences, if I remember how it worked, was that the classes in the 8-10 grade were run by inviting students, while the higher math classes at the end of HS were self-selected by students (and had a lower threshhold for entry).

    So only the girls who were really, really good at math self-selected to be in the higher math classes, whereas there were a decent number of boys who were just okay.

  9. I was not a particularly geeky kid, although it was the 60s and geekiness was a bit lower-tech. I always loved science and did well in it, as I was expected to. I was expected to do well in everything. That didn’t feel like pressure so much as it did confidence: we know you’re smart, and we expect you to use your brain because we know you can.

    I never considered any science career other than medicine (well, I never seriously considered any other career at all, actually). And I was an English major in college because I wanted a chance to study that in depth before I started doing science full-time in med school. That was one of the best decisions I ever made, and I encourage all putative pre-meds I meet to use their college years to explore all sorts of disciplines and not get locked into majoring in biology or, worse yet, actually majoring in pre-med. Shudder.

    My husband works in professional development for math and science teaching after ten years as a physical science academic, and we’ve both noticed that the young women in his college classes just lit up when they met women faculty. It’s so important to see women doing real science, to make it seem possible. On a more personal level, mentoring is also very powerful. And I do think there’s value in actually encouraging girls to explore math and science, since they won’t get those messages much from the outside world.

  10. I was encouraged to love learning, and was something of a science geek as a pre-teen. However, I never got into mechanical engineering thanks to my father recruiting me to hand him tools, without the first step in educating me on what tool was what.

    You all remember that Far Side cartoon with Dr. Frankenstein yelling at Igor for giving him the wrong size wrench for the bolts for the monster’s neck? Yeah, only with way more profanity and ego crushing statements. And I was not allowed to touch the tools, which lived on foam beds in great red and silver cabinets in pristine order known and understood only by my father. Hanging out in the garage was discouraged, as I might disarrange something.

    I’m still something of a science geek,insofar as I can be as a lay person. Medicine is cool, biology is cool, physics is cool but I don’t understand the equations. However, my serious geekery is for history, and it delights me with great happiness when science can be employed to explain historical events. And I won the Coolest Mom Ever award from my sons when they pulled me into a room at a museum with a cast of a dinosaur skeleton and said, “What kind’s that, mommy!” and I said, “It’s Chasmosaurus belli,” with no hesitation.

  11. When I was 5 or 6, my father gave me a stash of back issues of Games magazine, and I think that doing the puzzles in those helped me develop problem-solving skills that were a big advantage later on when it came to not being intimidated by math. It was frustrating at first (these were puzzles for adults, after all), but I still remember the satisfaction of the first time I managed to solve an entire cryptogram by myself.

  12. If a family can afford it, I recommend science summer camps, especially the ones for girls only. I don’t want to start a single-sex debate but I’ll say I am the product of single sex education (from k through college) and generally support it. Anyway, I did work as a counselor for one such camp and it was cool to see the girls discover and enjoy science. Some can play into gender stereotypes a bit – the chemistry module at my camp involved making nylon and perfume – but it gets the girls interested and I think that matters more here.

  13. I’ve always loved rocks. I was sort of an urchin child that my parents allowed to grub in the dirt with the boys. I read dinosaur books like crazy; for a long time I was convinced that I wanted to be a paleontologist. My mom humored me and even took me to talk to a real, live paleontologist at the local university. In retrospect, although my confidence in my ability to comprehend science was shaken to the core by bad teachers during my high school years, I believe my parents were more concerned about my overall academic success than they were about a more gendered course for me. It’s nice to realize that, because both of my parents give a lot of weight to very gendered ideas about how men and women should act socially and in relationships, but never once did they tell me I shouldn’t be good at math or science.

    I’m attending school for gemology now and loving every second. On the surface you might think, “Oh, gems, that’s still a stereotypical thing for a woman to want to study” but bear in mind that the jewelry industry is still heavily male-dominated. It took me a lot of introspection to get here. I come from a BA in psychology and a brief stint as a social worker finally showed me that trying to fix other people’s problems is never going to be my best choice. I suppose that, even as much as I do try to fight gender-stereotyping, I do still feel enormous pressure to help people but maybe that’s just from looking too closely at just how shabby a mental state we’re all in these days. It’s easier for me to find fulfillment these days in the form of a colored stone under the microscope.

  14. If I had one piece of advice to give, it would be to never get bullshitted into taking that secretarial “foot-in-the-door” job.

    What keeps my interest going? I love clinical research. I love getting to do literature searches and mapping out large bodies of evidence and identifying the gaps, finding the flaws, looking at the possibilities, then sharing that with a weary but excited faculty member. I love helping to write grants and watching them get funded. I love drafting research papers and seeing them published in NEJM or Lancet or Circulation. I love drafting editorials. I love arguing with the faculty over some ill-advised statement only to hear them say, “leave it in the paper,” and then see a reviewer call them out on it. I love being wrong, so I can learn from that and get it right. I love being a part of the progress.

    So, yeah, I’ll call around to find that last hotel room within a block of the conference center one week before the annual convention, as long as they keep throwing all this work at me so I can “play.” However, if I could do it over, I would have talked my way into something other than that “foot-in-the-door” baloney.

  15. I kept wanting to learn more about making things work and following recipes and learning to knit and cooking and trying to make my computer do what I wanted, and so I sort of fell into physics, except then my biggest problem was that I couldn’t find a direction for my interest. I feel sort of silly saying I’m a science geek since I’m not someone who was doing science experiments with her Easy Bake oven or figuring out how to write programs on the C64 her parents had, but I do, somehow, have both a physics degree AND a job as a research physicist. I figure after I get a few more years under my belt, I’m going to try to mentor myself out; one of my largest problems in my undergrad degree was that even when I found areas in physics that interested me, I didn’t feel secure enough in myself to pursue them or ask a professor how I’d pursue them. (I talked myself out of more internships that way!)

  16. My mother’s father was a foreman for a lot of major roads in the 40’s in Virginia. Mom used to go out with him and help him light the smudge pots in the mornings. She whittled her own knitting needles when her mother wouldn’t let her have any. She wanted to do everything. Needless to say, when they told here in school that “Girls didn’t take shop”, she was upset, and when I told her I wanted to take shop, she was ready to storm down the doors and force the issue if they said no. (They said yes, fortunately.) By the same token, when the brothers wanted to take Home Ec, she was thrilled, because she thinks everyone should be able to at least follow a recipe, even if they can’t really “cook”, as well as be able to repair a hem and sew on a button.
    The best thing to do is encourage whatever is the current interest. Sure, start small, cause it can get expensive, but there are plenty of beginer’s level things out there that are a good way to start. Even if your kid wants to try something improbable, like scuba diving while basket weaving, look for a local class in basket weaving. If they still like it, you can always add the scuba diving part later.

  17. I’m a senior math major; if all goes according to plan, I’ll graduate in May and start grad school in a ph. d. program in the fall. When I was growing up, my father was a computer scientist and a feminist, and so my interest in math and science was encouraged from day 1 (my father is actually more of a feminist than my mother – he wanted to give me her last name but she wasn’t interested). I asked for extra math problems (because they were fun!) and I read through the local library’s science section.

    When I was in high school, I went to a summer program in number theory for gifted high school students, and I went back to work there as a counselor after my freshman year of college. We had a 3:1 male:female ratio, but the most striking thing was the difference in confidence levels. Most of the girls, despite having been accepted into an excellent program, just didn’t think they could do the math. The ones who started out confident, or who learned confidence, did fine, but a lot of them didn’t.

    The other major issue I noticed there was the sex-segregated dorms. Students couldn’t stay in the common areas late at night, and there were enough boys for a separate culture to form in their dorms, but not enough girls. A lot of the creative work at that camp got done after curfew in the boys’ dorm, which was a space the girls didn’t have access to. There were several times I was working with some boys on a particular problem, and I’d get up in the morning to find that they had decided overnight to go in a completely different direction than I had known about the night before.

    I’m not a fan of single-sex math camps or education, though – I’ve just never done particularly well in single-sex environments, either socially or intellectually. If a particular girl does better in a single-sex environment, that’s fine, but it’s just not for me, and I’m sure there are plenty of other girls out there like me.

    A lot of high schools have math competition teams. Mine didn’t, which upset me. But from what I’ve seen, they’re a good place to meet other kids interested in math.

    Aside from math camp: In high school I noticed that I paid a much higher price, socially speaking, for being good at math than any of the boys in my classes did. I was a social misfit in other ways, but the math was certainly a big part of it. The geeky boys had their own clique, which I wasn’t entirely welcome in. Once I was in college, the biggest thing I noticed is that people are just homosocial. The top male undergrads form a social network, and they tend to socialize with each other much more than they do with the top female undergrads. It’s not nearly as bad as it is in high school, but it’s still there (most explicit comments: “You can’t have a beer with a girl” and “But she’s not really ‘us'”). It seems to get much better among grad students, and among professors, but it does make me nervous.

    It’s not just about being lonely: an enormous part of math, for all our reputation as anti-social geeks, really is social, and there’s a lot that goes into making a great mathematician besides raw mathematical talent, however that’s defined. I wouldn’t be the math student I am today without things like that summer program, or the encouragement of my parents. I’m going into math for sheer love of the subject, but it seems that it takes more dedication on my part to make that decision than is required of my male peers.

  18. Do children ever need encouragement to pick up slimy and squishy and jumpy things? No. But children, particularly girls, are taught to fear invertebrates – I’ve seen mothers teach their children this fear through their own reactions to insects. My mother never taught me that fear. I started playing boys hockey when I was 5, even though everybody told my parents that I would break. Well, I didn’t break and ended up playing college hockey. My parents sent me to a science camp where I shadowed a veterinarian and got my hands dirty helping to treat livestock. If you don’t treat your daughter like she’s a delicate flower, then she probably won’t turn into one. Other than that, my parents are simply curious people – they read all the time, they talk about their ideas, they go interesting places, and so on. Those kind of habits make an impression on your child, or at least they did on me.

  19. My dad’s a mechanical engineer (by training-he manages engineers & technicians now). When I was about 10 or so, he was studying for some HVAC certification, and had his textbooks out. They had these weird charts in them I couldn’t read, but I wanted to know what all the funny lines meant. Now I know they were some sort of air flow, but mechanical engineering wasn’t particularly interesting to me, so I’m an undergrad in specializing in environmental engineering.

    However, I did start in electrical engineering because I wanted to build space craft. Turns out I like electrons flowing through wires about as much as I like air flowing through ducts. Water treatment though, I like very much! (oh, and disappointing Grandma by not being an English major is kind of fun.)

    I don’t really remember any obstacles, my parents were rather hands-off when it came to school as long as I brought home good grades. However,I think starting to play the string bass in 5th grade, before I was in any sort of advanced class, made me quickly develop the right attitude to deal with being the only girl in the section. Slightly off-topic, but I had conversations like this-picture an 8th grader sitting waiting for parents with a string bass, stool, and violin-long before anyone questioned why I was in Honor Chemistry or such:

    Adult:”Wow, that’s a big bass”
    Me: Yep.
    Adult:How old is your brother?
    Me: 11 (I was probably 14 at the time)
    Adult: How does he carry it?
    Me: He doesn’t. It’s mine. He plays the violin.(pointing helpfully at violin)
    Adult: Oh.

    Then I was lucky enough to go to a high school with a math/science magnet program, so there were lots of geeks & nerds around, even though I wasn’t in the program it helped make being geeky/nerdy normal.

    Wow, I didn’t mean to write this much. Well, it beat finishing the circuits-type pre-lab.

  20. I’m a freshman (freshwoman? First-year? There’s no good term for it) in chemical engineering.

    My introduction to the squishy world of science was through my parents, both of whom are electrical engineers. They also conform to a fair number of societal expectations of men and women, and expected the same from me (before a couple of huge knock-down drag-out verbal battles), but they always pushed math and science. They tend to view English and history as not “real” disciplines, and so they have me a grounding in what they thought was important.

    I went through a “math is hard!” phase, but they were always perfectly up-front with me: they told me early on that once I got to college I could major in whatever I wanted, but in the mean time they expected me to perform.

    I started to like science (and math by extention) in fourth and fifth grade, when our teacher gave us an outline of major concepts in physics, chemistry, and biology, and then pretty much let us play. We ended up burning everything we could get our hands on and doing engineering competitions (this was while the Mars rovers were being designed and sent off, so they were always related to some practical probem) — that’s probably the one thing that really solidified my desire to do applied science.

    Finally, my parents were willing to shell out to send me to a private school, and I am so grateful (and yes, there are all sorts of sticky class issues there that I’m thinking through) — the student body was really heavily geeky, and the teachers were terrific, and being a nerdy girl wasn’t anywhere near as stigmatising as it was for some of my friends in public schools.

  21. I grew up in an accademically-minded family. My father was a professor of Geology at a community college (his parents had college degrees) and my mother was one of the few in her blue-collar community to go to college (her father would have gone but could not afford it). To this day I love the smell of chalk dust because Dad took us to school with him sometimes and that was special. I’m a prima donna about teaching in classrooms with chalk boards thanks to that.

    I think the most important things my parents helped me (and my brother as well) to develop are a sense of wonder for the natural world and self-confindence. We didn’t have a lot of money, on a CC prof’s salary, but much of what we did have went into shared experiences. We had a lot of fun learning together (epic camping trips, native plant society field trips, museums, plays, classical music performance). My brother and I spent countless hours rambling free in an undeveloped field near our house, finding racoon tracks, examining wild flowers, and so on. It didn’t hurt that my parents were politically aware and active and that my mother was (and is) a wonderfully, sometimes startlingly, progressive and free-thinking woman.

    Confidence and self-respect can’t be over-rated. Thanks to these, I knew when a (female) high shcool general science teacher told me I lacked the aptitude to be a scientist that she was not to be taken seriously. I knew right off that it was absurd to tell girls who signed up for science/engineering at “career day” that the future was bright in key-punch data entry.

    It’s not unreasonable to suppose that our society will be dispensing unempowering messages to girls for some time to come. If we can innoculate against these messages early and often, girls can grow up to follow any path that beckons.

  22. I just started a full time job as a neuroscience research assistant – so I’m not quite committed to a career in science, but I’m certainly planning one now.

    I’m not sure what made me interested in science. Maybe it was it was the astronomy books my dad kept lying round the house. Maybe it was my mother’s interest in volcanoes – she loves the asthetics of them, but I always wanted to know how they worked (come on, lava’s freakin’ awesome). Maybe it was how my sister won the school science fair three years in a row and made me feel like I had to win too just to keep up.

    I think more than anything what helped was my parents’ encouragement to “do whatever makes you happy”. What makes me happy just happens to be science. Truth is, the little girl who you want to encourage to like science may find her real interests are elsewhere. The key is just to be supportive of whatever she wants to do.

  23. Oh, I almost forgot. This past summer I taught a class of gifted children about the search for life in outer space. The class was for 8-10 year olds and on the first day, fifteen little boys and one little girl showed up. (My TA was male too, so that made 16 males and the two of us.) The first day I just let them discuss the issues, and the girl was tenacious, frequently raising her hand to make points or contradict the boys. Still, she transfered out of the class the next day. I don’t mean to say that I think my class was life-changing enough to pull someone into a life of science, but those little moments and missed opportunities must add up.

  24. 1) At home, I always got told: Choose something that really interests you because you might end up doing it for a long time. No special encouragements, except that science was _always_ present at home (parents who have degrees in physics and mathematics…), but art, literature, philosophy etc much less so. Parents subscribing to Scientific American and similar magazines, me reading everything printed even the cereal box. The attitude that one should not waste one’s potential so yes, I was going to get a university degree.

    2) Also, as soon as I started school it pleased me to prove the stereotype wrong that “boys = good at math, girls = good at languages”. Maybe an inverse result of peer pressure or my form of rebellion. Or a response to patriarchy that values certain fields and calls them masculine, hard sciences and devalues others and calls them feminine, soft sciences; taken together with my competitive attitude then that I wanted to be the Big Fish in the Big Pond… Later, the desire to prove that it can be done: a career in academia maybe even a professorship _and_ being a woman _and_ not exploiting my students and grad students.
    3) And sciences are simple, I learn the facts, I apply the rules, and bing! there is the answer (at least at school). Not like literature, or history, or sociology, where I would have to think, and interpret, and argue, and consider the teacher’s expectations – too vague and too much work for me (again, school).

  25. Neither of my parents have a college degree, though my mom has some community college under her belt. Still, it was always expected that I would go to college. My dad is an aerospace mechanic, and would always point out planes in the air and explain how they worked. When we went camping, my parents would bring along guidebooks and my mom would show us rock formations. I spent a lot of time exploring the backyard, and my parents encouraged me to follow all my interests.

    When I got my bachelor’s in biology, I think my parents were disappointed that I didn’t want to go into research or go to grad school in my subject. Instead, I think I want to go back to the elementary and middle school years to grab as many kids (especially girls) into the sciences before they drift off.

  26. My grandfather was a physicist. I discovered that two things I loved- really HUGE stuff and really TINY stuff- were encompassed by the study of physics, and there I was.

  27. i’m in my last year of a phd in biophys.

    for me, my mom was a single parent so i was always modeled this role of women do whatever needs to be done and, so, can do anything that there is to be done.

    noone else in my family had graduated college but my mom expected that i would go to college and even that i would go to some sort of graduate/professional schooling. she knew that i was just a smart kid and i could do that. i was also just very very curious about the world around me: rocks, trees, dirt, stoves, everything. what were they made of and how did they work? she encouraged me to ask questions even if she couldn’t answer them.

    i never had any teachers tell me i couldn’t do well at something until high school advanced chemistry and by then i was confident enough in my abilities to know that he was just a crappy teacher.

    thinking back i think i’m the only one in my high school class that went into science for the girls but of the upper level science and math classes the majority were populated predominantly by girls. i don’t know why that would be, but it was. (this was in CT)

    i think entomologista has it when she says that there is a natural curiousity there but often girls are stifled by fear.

    (oh and i think growing up without a TV and thus without all those gendered stereotypes coming into my brain helped a lot.)

  28. They tend to view English and history as not “real” disciplines, and so they have me a grounding in what they thought was important.

    Apologies for the aside, but Atalanta’s statement here struck me. Her parents would probably shake their heads when they learned that not only am I in a graduate program in history, I actually switched from working in the sciences to history.

    Though on my bad days, I do wonder about that decision. But I (and to throw in the gender factor here, I’m a man) decided I liked words and books better than pipets.

  29. I’m getting a masters in architecture, but I sometimes think engineering might have been a slightly better fit (no matter; now that I’ve tasted the breadth of what architecture is, I don’t think I could narrow my focus again). And I’ve always loved the sciences, so despite the art-y aspect of architecture, I’m on the nerd end of the scale.

    I’ve always liked taking things apart and seeing how they worked. And trying to put them back together; that’s the tricky part 🙂 Especially if you’ve taken them apart with tin snips *ahem* I think my love of science is related: it’s all about how the world works, and I love knowing that. But I choose architecture because that way, I get to learn about -everything-, and don’t have to focus on just, say, mating habits of the blue-footed booby. I need a lot of variety in what I do.

    My parents bought us (I have a sister) a pretty wide range of toys, from stuffed animals and a couple of dolls (and my sister was really into My Little Pony) to Legos and Lincoln Logs and chemistry sets and build-your-own solar powered thingy sets and insect collecting and LOTS of books etc. Though I think the more science-related things were mine more than hers. My dad has had a decades-long remodeling project going on, and I was his main helper, even when I was fairly small (he did have male friends come over sometimes to help on the BIG parts, early on). Neither of my parents, to my recollection, ever tried to force femininity on us, though Mom did buy us dresses – she didn’t force them. And they were encouraging of academic success, which was hard on my sister (she has learning disabilities).

    I don’t recall having any problems with any teachers in high school making stupid sexist comments about girls and math/science. I only recall a woodshop teacher who liked to say, “That’s really good work. For a girl.” And while it was clear he meant, “That’s really good work. For anyone,” it was obnoxious as hell that he felt a need to tease like that!

    I decided to major in math in college; it was my favorite subject in high school. I wish now that my parents (and I!) had been a little more clueful about where my real aptitudes and interests lie, because real mathematics is too abstract for me to grasp easily; I much prefer thing – real *things* – that I can physically manipulate.

  30. Like just about everyone here I will credit my parents for my geek/tech status. My dad was a computer engineer and physicist and my mom was a microbiologist. Beginning at the age of 5 I had to write a program in BASIC to get my weekly allowance (a whole quarter!). Every stage of my life was accompanied by science and math lessons (how does a gyroscope work etc). My dad took me into work sometimes when he was trying to figure out a computer problem and he actively let me help him logic through problems (why isn’t the network working, why won’t the computer reboot). My mom encouraged the biology side of things with lots of raising abandoned animals and exploring our backyard, worms and all.

    I’ll also credit video games. I loved them from day 1 and I still play. Knowing how to create a good Neverwinter Nights mod requires comfort with programming and computer logic.

    As everyone else has said, I really do believe that all it takes to get girls into science/math is to make sure they know it is possible and show them why it can be fun! If my parents could have afforded it, my absolute dream was Space Camp!

  31. Adding to what I said previously:

    Neither of my parents ever exhibited any of that “Horror! Fear!” kind of reaction toward insects, snakes, frogs, spiders, playing in the mud, etc. In fact, quite the opposite, though my mom has always seemed more interested in the neat shiny beetles and things than my dad (“Oh, neat” he’d say, and kind of smile, but then he’s just not that expressive, where my mom would be much more effusive). So neither my sister or I learned that snakes and worms and spiders were to be feared or killed on sight. When I was 4, I trapped garter snakes on our porch and put them in a jar; they were really small snakes, and we both kept jars and aquariums of crickets and crawfish and things in our room. So my parents’ appreciation of critters at all scales – though we were warned to avoid skunks and weasels if we encountered them – probably helped feed my appreciation of same. And things we showed enthusiasm for, they encouraged with the books and toys and such.

    We didn’t have TV until I was in 3rd grade, and then we could only pick up PBS. I wonder sometimes how this lack of exposure to mass media might have affected us.

  32. My daughter is 5 and combines a fear of certain insects with a fascination for others. The sort who is convinced that every spider is a black widow, and that a pincher bug will really pinch if it so much as comes close. But other bugs she adores.

    She plays in dirt all the time. I figure if I don’t regularly have to order the kids in for an extra bath, they’re inside too much.

    She’s fascinated by astronomy, and I can hardly wait for my dad to be able to afford a 14 inch telescope, because he’s thinking about handing his 11 inch telescope down to me when that happens. I can hope!

    Lots of toys of all kinds, and an absolute encouragement of creativity. My daughter impresses many people with her imagination and the sheer range of things she’s interested in.

    I intend to help that stick.

  33. I read a lot from a really young age, and at the point when I was ripping through several YA books a day my parents gave me access to my dad’s library – which pretty much all science fiction. I was way into space from a young age, which is probably both a cause and an effect of my enthusiasm for SF. So I always had an enthusiasm for science – particularly physical sciences. And I was always good at math and logic. As late as freshman year of high school I wanted to be an astrophysicist – or an aerospace engineer. *grin*

    In other aspects of life, my dad’s a computer programmer, and I’ve had computers most of my life, but he never really showed me the actual programmy parts, and I never really had any desire to work with computers when I was young. My first exposure to programming was a class a took senior year of high school. I was one of three girls in the class, and it was intimidating, because my guy friends in the class had all done programming before. But I was still really good at it. And it was fun.

    So I took more CS in college. And I was still good at it, and I liked it. Especially the more theoretical aspects. So I majored in it!

    Now I’m in industry, and I still am good at it and like it a lot. But the 10:1 ratio still gets to me sometimes.

    I do hate it when girls/women hear what I do and say “Wow, I could never do that.” Maybe it’s true, but nearly all of them have never tried programming, and most don’t even really know what it is. I probably wouldn’t even have considered it as an option if my dad wasn’t in the area.

    So, yes: Show girls that it is possible. Things will go from there.

  34. Sadly (or not), I am a stereotype. I’m terrible at math (dysgraphia, dyscalculia), and disproportionately gifted at languages (I have a good working commmand of three, basic ability in another one, and the rudiments of a fifth). I have a Master’s in a programme you could call “Applied Rhetoric.” However, I’m going to throw my $0.02CDN in here, because I truly am geeky.

    My day job is technical writing and software testing; I’m the lone writer at my company and the head software tester now. For about the last five years, I’ve spent a lot of time poking at software and writing down the steps you take to do every task in the application. I also write procedural manuals, and I’m currently documenting a database and developing formal suite testing protocols for the company. I did my first Linux install before I ever learnt how to do a Windows install, and although I don’t program worth a damn, I can read C/C++, JavaScript, Java, and Visual Basic well enough to get the gist of things. The only type of math I actually understand (and I’ll fight you about whether it is math or not) is propositional calculus, although I somehow “get” statistics fairly well, too. (Well enough to have written 40 pages of educational material on the subject, anyway.)

    In my other life, I’m a historian studying ground transportation in North America, specifically streetcars, between 1900 and 1960.

    My advice to parents, friends, mentors, spinster aunts, and other mind-warpers and twig-benders of girls interested in math and science is, especially when they get old enough to be looking for their first job(s), encourage them not to settle. Occupational steering is real, sexist, and will get you every time, unless you’re very, very careful. Help them spot it when they see it, teach them how to be aware of sexist pressure in the workplace, and if keeping them out of some kind of bullshit job that they’ll hate and will typecast them forever means slipping them an extra few bucks a month, find a way to do it.

    I had entire legions of people trying to force me into marketing communications (*puke*), which I actually, genuinely suck at — since I’m basically all about factual writing and I hate writing emotional appeals — and it took me years to get on to the technical writing track, even though that’s what I came out of grad school wanting (and determined) to do. I sucked at marcomm; I’m a kick-ass technical writer.

  35. *delurking*

    I’m an MS mechanical/aerospace engineer who actually works in the field: electric propulsion R&D (with some project management to make me grateful for lab time–fear my PowerPoint skills).

    I knew I was going to be a scientist/engineer from when I was a very young, and that’s just the way things were. At first I was going to be a marine biologist, or maybe an astronaut. (Marine biology fell by the wayside after the 7th grade frog dissection. Ew.)

    My parents were fine with this career goal, and with me doing “boys” things. They happily bought me blocks, Transformers, matchbox cars, and Construx, and were fine with spreading the word to relatives that dolls would just end up under the bed, gathering dust. They also succumbed, after 5 solid years of begging, to Space Camp. My senior year of high school, I was my state’s delegate to the National Youth Science Camp. (Any other NYSCers out there?)

    In school, it never occurred to me to be scared of math or science, or that I wasn’t “supposed” to be good at them. I was good at school, and those classes were part of school. Less than an A was not acceptable! (This was all self-imposed pressure, BTW.) Oddly enough for someone who ended up in my profession, I’ve always tested better in English/verbal than math. I just can’t do algebra correctly under a deadline.

    The “astronaut” goal gradually mutated into aerospace engineering in high school, and so I was off on a National Merit Scholarship to a “highly competitive” private technical school in the Northeast (no, not that one). I graduated with honors, worked in a job that didn’t fit for a while, then went back for my MS, and now I’m working at the company that sponsored my research.

    I mention all the academic honors not for ego-boo, but because my trajectory was basically identical to that of my male colleagues–I travel, career-wise, with a privileged cohort of high achievers: white, upper-middle class people whose parents also attended college. I’ve always been so solidly convinced of my competence in my chosen field that the “what if I’m a token?” self-doubt that minority (that is, not white male) engineers sometimes have never even occurred to me. Basically, my path to a STEM career was glass-smooth. I literally cannot think of a single obstacle set in my way, ever.

  36. I think with me a lot of it was my parents. My father has a PhD in biophysics and spent most of his working years in the high-tech industry, and my mother majored in chemistry before going to med school. I always got on better with my dad, and my brother with our mom, so I can remember one plane ride in middle school where my dad taught me the basics of Newtonian mechanics in the margins of a car ad (using the example of a raccoon falling from a tree under constant acceleration…). They similarly encouraged my interests in chemistry, math, and sci-fi, and never gave the impression that science and math weren’t “girly” things.

    I also had a fantastic female math teacher in middle school, who was the majority of the reason I wanted to teach math for several years (the realisation during calculus that math is *hard* has sent me over to the social sciences side of the road, but I still think basic math skills are crucial for any educated person to have).

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