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Old Navy to plus-sized customers: We’ll take your money, but keep your fat asses out of our stores

One of the things I always loved about Old Navy was that I could buy clothes there, regardless of my size. Their misses’ sizes go up to 20, which was great when I was up to a size 20, because the cut of misses’ clothing fits me better than anything at Lane Bryant. Then I went above that, but by that time, they’d introduced a women’s plus line, which was pretty darn cute, and still fit my shape pretty well.

Now, they’ve decided that they don’t want fat women in their stores. So their Women’s Plus line, which now goes up to size 30, is now exclusively online.

The stores will continue to carry men’s sizes up to XXXL.

Oh, I suppose I should be thankful that they’re bothering to offer me clothing at all, especially since H&M long since ditched their plus-sized line entirely (after exiling it to the back of the store, under the escalator and in the way of the dressing rooms, so you had to push aside everyone’s discarded clothing draped all over the place and deal with the lines snaking through the “department,” which was really a couple of rows of racks). But it really galls me that Old Navy’ll take my money, just as long as I don’t set foot in one of their stores.

Heaven forfend I might want to try something on before I buy it, after all.


50 thoughts on Old Navy to plus-sized customers: We’ll take your money, but keep your fat asses out of our stores

  1. Amen. I was so dissapointed in Old Navy when this happened. It absolutely sends this message of “we don’t want you and you don’t deserve to shop here.”

    I didn’t know about the XXXL men’s clothes.

    Complete and utter bullshit.

    I agree with this AWESOME woman. Take your pocketbook elsewhere. Don’t go to stores where the only thing you ‘get’ to buy is socks and hair clips.

    OLD NAVY IS GARBAGE. Try Maurices– many of their stores are carrying a women’s plus line and it’s not even crappy old-lady designs.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=yUTJQIBI1oA

  2. fuck old navy, i fall directly between their sizes, an inch too much here, and inch too little there. and the fabrics are crappy and the cuts are weird. but im short (5’1”) with DDD breasts and “apple” shaped, so it might actually be my body that is cut weird, not their clothing. either way id much rather dig through racks at marshalls or tj maxx or second hand stores to find well or at least decently made clothing that fits than buy things from old navy that will only fall apart and fit poorly anyhow.

    as to plus size clothing, its pricy, but i really like torrid, they carry alot of cute stuff and have tried to dissasociate alot from their mall goth beginning as a hot topic offshoot, now they carry name brands and stylish stuff, and their jeans actually fit, which never happens.

  3. I was curious about this. If it’s any consolation, the men’s XXXL shirts are only available online, although 48 inch waist pants are in the stores.

  4. So fucked up. I always tried to avoid Old Navy because of their ties to the Gap and sweatshop labor, but I’m a poor future grad student and sometimes I just needed a cheap, formal shirt. Fuck you, Old Navy!
    I have severe body issues, I’m recovering from anorexia and have ballooned up to a size 12 (I don’t mean to offend people who are 12+. It’s just that 6 years ago I weighed 95 lbs, this is kind of a big issue for me). It’s already bad enough that I’m between the plus & not-plus sizes and a good percentage of clothes for plus-sized women look like they’re made for Dorothy Zbornak (No offense, Dorothy, I’m just not into the draped, toga-ish mumu look). Now I have to hunt through the stores for something not size 2.
    I like Torrid better than Hot Topic, it’s not full of teeny-bopper wannabe gothlings obsessed with HIM and Fallout Boy.

  5. Ok, I really hate to defend Old Navy but….

    I worked there one summer, in the logistics department (stocking and setting the up the sales floor) so I have a fairly good idea about what comes in, what sells quickly, etc. Old Navy makes the bulk of their money on seasonal items–they carry some basics, of course, but the more expensive, higher profit items tend to be seasonal and trendy. They have to move those in and out fast, and what it basically comes down to is, most of their stores aren’t big enough for the shipments they get. They are eliminating maternity clothing from the stores as well. They just don’t sell enough of either of these lines to justify it taking up space in the store.

    Their men’s line however, has a lot more emphasis on basics and those can just be replenished by size throughout the whole season.

    It is a big hassle for people who need those sizes, I know. But it’s mostly motivated, I think, by profit. I’m sure anti-fat feelings could play a part in it as well, though.

  6. just as a heads up, lane bryant just changed their jeans sizing, it’s kinda crazy, and you have to try on ALOT of jeans but i did finally find jeans that weren’t too baggy in the legs…so it might be worth re-checking out, they also have a crazy sale going on on jeans to promote the new line…

  7. I’ve never shopped at an Old Navy because it looked to me like everything they sell had “Old Navy” printed on it.

  8. A lot of retail marketing is the ability to create foot traffic. They are going to lose my foot traffic with this decision.

    I really only shop for my two boys three times a year (school, Christmas, summer…). With kids, you can stock up on basics. With my own clothing, I like to browse and try things on, so I’m apt to come back more often to see what’s “new” and what has a good fit, but when I’m there I always end up seeing something for the boys and making an impulse purchase.

    So, I’ll spend my time over at Torrid, thank you very much and make less of my impulse purchases at Old Navy.

  9. Old Navy and I are on “a break” ever since I tried to go shopping there for work clothes near the end of the summer and discovered that almost every shirt or blouse they had in the store was designed for people several inches taller/several pounds lighter than me. And I’m 5’4″ and 135 pounds, so if I have trouble finding stuff I can’t imagine how much of a pain in the ass shopping must be for anyone shorter or heavier than me.

    The tall/narrow shirts thing seems to be a trend in more places than just Old Navy, though. Fortunately I have discovered that H&M is aware of the existence of the wrap blouse, a garment that is designed to look good on non-models.

  10. They just don’t sell enough of either of these lines to justify it taking up space in the store.

    Y’see, it might help if they didn’t shove the department in the back of the store and make it as inaccessible as possible. Even in their flagship stores they do this.

    It really sends the message that they don’t want fat people among the regular customers. And fat people pick up on this and stop coming to the stores.

    Torrid, unfortunately, does not have any stores in NYC except for Staten Island. And I am not making any special trips to Staten Island, given how much of a pain in the ass it is to get there without a car. I think there’s one in Jersey Gardens, though. Maybe I’ll take the bus out there, or combine with an IKEA trip.

    I just really don’t need this in my life right now. I’m already feeling a little fragile, for reasons explained in the trackback in #1.

  11. What has always seemed so crazy to me is that I’m a scrawny woman who weighs 116# and I wear size large underwear and pants and shirts. I don’t like to wear tight clothes so that might have something to do with it, but I always wonder how women who actually have a figure buy clothes if I’m wearing larges.

  12. Interesting comments from Sam and DiscGrace. I’m 5’5 and 125 pounds, which is slender but hardly wee, and I can’t find Old Navy pants that are *small* enough for me. Hmmm, what say–are our bodies weird, or does Old Navy sell cheap, crappily-cut clothes? I vote the latter!

  13. MizDarwin, I have trouble finding pants at places like Old Navy too, but it’s mostly a function of having to pick between a pair that fits my thighs, or a pair that fits my hips. (Frisbee + martial arts = Big Large McHuge quads.) Unfortunately unless you fit the exact proportions of Old Navy’s imagined prototype body (whether those proportions are in small or large scale), you’re SOL.

    And pantsless.

  14. Yeah, not to promote Lane Bryant too much, but their new sizing based on body-type and measurements is really complimentary. Plus, when else in my life can I say “I’m a size 3?”

  15. They just don’t sell enough of either of these lines to justify it taking up space in the store.

    Y’see, it might help if they didn’t shove the department in the back of the store and make it as inaccessible as possible. Even in their flagship stores they do this.

    Perhaps Old Navy should have done a better job marketing its in-store plus-size line to those of us who wear plus sizes. Your stores would’ve been flooded with women wanting a shot at cute, trendy (if not particularly durable) clothes available in their sizes.

    As for store size – the ON I used to shop in is a two-story behemoth, but sure enough, the plus-size department was a smallish, cramped area at the back of the first floor.

    sorry, but They just don’t sell enough of either of these lines to justify it taking up space in the store has the unmistakable stink of bullshit all over it. The organization failed to market properly to the plus-size shopper, and now wants us to think they’re doing us a favor by offering us the online shopping option – and I hope they fail miserably there, too. ON can take its plus-size line and stuff it. I’ll never shop ON again, on line or IRL.

  16. I hate the clothing industry. I hate how clothing goes in and out of style, so if you want a plain long black skirt you have to hope that it’s “trendy” again, and sometimes the racks are full of capris and then they’re not, and I just wish stores would sell the basics. I also hate sizing. Why can’t women’s clothes be sized like men’s where the numbers actually correspond to measurements instead of a random number that really means nothing? Lane Bryant’s new pants sizing sounds really great, but they’re too big for me. Does anyone else do things like that?

  17. (zuzu, apparently there’s a Torrid in the Galleria Mall in White Plains. A bit of a pain, but no car required as the mall is about a three block walk from the Metro North station. YMMV regarding the annoyance at the obnoxious commute, obviously).

  18. My perspective on ON is admittedly different b/c I live in the South where a lot of their stores are very small because they’re in small towns.

    I don’t really like their clothes in general; they’re cut very straight through the hips. And they tend to fall apart in the wash.

    JCP had nice plus-size clothes, I think. They also were one of the only stores that carried plus-size clothes for girls that were actually cute and fashionable.

  19. Sorry to be all over this thread but i’ve been so angry about this! You guys hit the nail right on the head.

    I shopped at Old Navy frequently because I heard it carried plus. There’s no way that it can blame lack of sales on women. When plus women hear a store is carrying their size– it’s a HUGE DEAL! Why? Because we have so few options!

    You’d think based on the limited choices, that the plus size woman’s body was an alien life form.

    I remember watching Project Runway and hearing this super-serious discussion about the “unique challenges and restrictions of designing for plus women.”

    I call BS!!!! LISTEN UP FASHION PEOPLE– I want the same options as the skinny gals. I just want them in my size.

    So many plus sections get it all wrong. The PLUS section at Macy’s commonly looks like my grandma’s closet with one or two stand-out pieces. Apparently plus size gals get either flowers or random geometric patterns on any top or dress.

    I WANT CHOICES.

    Old Navy DID shove us to the back of the store and it was always the worst kept. Clothes strewn all over, not hung up or presented nicely. As if none of the high school girls working there could bring themselves to go back and fold a 2X top. HEAVEN FORBID.

    The section was TINY– CRAMPED– and looked shitty. Does that sound like a way to make a sale?

    Why do misses sizes get 4x the ammount of styles to choose from? Really. The square footage for misses is huge. Plus clothes are shoved in a dressing room-size space. Oh look, I can get a few tank tops, one dress or some dress pants. Where are my OPTIONS? Why do we need a plus size section at all? How about every design, or cute top etc just goes all the way up in size?

    I can’t say how many times I’ve seen an adorable shirt or sweater somewhere while shopping with skinny friends and thought — if only! But being size 16, I’m outta luck. Unless I search online. Even this SJP BITTEN line is only avaliable in certain stores nationwide (none of which are anywhere near me in North Dakota). ALSO– you think finding Torrid in New York is hard? I need to drive 5 hours to find something other than Lane Bryant. How do plus women in smaller towns do it?

    Plus women– try this great community on for size:
    http://community.livejournal.com/fatshionista/

  20. Target usually carries a good selection of plus size clothes. I know it’s a big-box store, but I’ve worked there and at ON and honestly, Target’s clothes are usually at least as good quality and sometimes much better.

  21. Tobes – There are some challenges in designing for plus-sized women. Something that’s flattering on a stick-thin, breastless size 2 will most likely not be flattering on a curvy size 20. And that’s something that, as a non-stick, would like to see addressed.

    As a woman with hips, thighs, and butt that curve outward, I do better in more structured pants with a little bit – but not too much – of stretch. What can I easily find and afford? Drapey, thin, un-lined, stretchy fabrics. How easy would it be to throw a lining in a pair of dress pants and make jeans with two percent Lycra? Fairly easy, one would imagine.

    As a woman with a sizeable pair of breasts, I do better in tops with straps wide enough that I can wear a bra underneath (or enough structuring in the bosom area that my strapless bra doesn’t show through). What can I easily find and afford? Stretchy, thin, spaghetti-strapped tanks and dresses. How easy would it be to put an ever-so-slightly wider strap on the standard design? Fairly easy, one would imagine.

    And don’t get me started about layering. Why should I have to buy twice as many tank tops as other customers just because you can’t design a top that’s flattering on a chick with boobs?

    Thus endeth my rant. For now, anyway. Hello to online catalog shopping; fitting can be a hassle, but at least stuff that fits is out there.

  22. I’m not defending Old Navy, but it seems to me that when I would shop at our local stores, the majority of the unsold merchandise on the racks was 16+ or 0. Seemed to me that they at least needed to cut back on the number of those that they carried.

    (Here in Japan it’s the same sorta deal when I go to GAP. Lots of XXXS and L on the racks, but not much S or M.)

    Since Old Navy did have such a range of sizes, it would make most sense to me to reduce the number of those sizes that were used less often in order to carry more of the popular sizes, BUT I think making them only available online is a HUGE (no pun intended) mistake. I tend to not want to buy clothes that I have to purchase online unless they’re tailored. (I wear a US size S, but I have a short torso, small waist, and big hips, so I’m wary of online clothes shopping.) Generally, returns are a pain in the ass, too.

    Of course, maybe that’s their goal … to not even have to carry the sizes anymore. But I mean, it would make more sense to me to just have a couple of each size IN the store so people can try them on, then the store or the person can order them … at least …

  23. What’s sad is that I never knew that Old Navy carried above a 20 (and so haven’t shopped there in some time). So, reading this, my first reaction was, “All right! Old Navy has plus-sized clothes online!”

    I mean, I everything I wear is generally from Lane Bryant. And I like Lane Bryant, some of the time. But it’s expensive, and I’d like more choices as far as style goes. So, I don’t know if I can really say that I won’t shop at ON online, now that I know it’s there.

    Still, Torrid and other stores are preferred.

  24. Another vote for the new Lane Bryant sizing – I figured out my size online and the first pair I tried on in-store were perfect. Not to push Lane Bryant, but the approach: make clothes in a few different types of sizes, and people will be happier with the fit and buy more of them. Even in “regular” size clothes, not every 10 is the same 10. Some will gape at the waist, some will drown in the hips, and very, very few will fit just right.

    And yeah – I find the marketing share argument entirely bogus, because if there are cute plus-sized clothes out there I will buy them. Don’t blame the lack of sales on plus-sized clothes not selling well when you A) shove them in the back next to maternity and/or B) only carry butt-ugly plus-sized clothes that no one in their right mind would wear.

  25. Oh, cry me a river, you poor Americans. “Boohoo! We used to have 4 stores that carried plus sizes, now we only have three! Though the fourth one still sells online. To people in the United States.”

    Okay, I’m teasing you, I totally feel your pain. But try living in Canada-we have one store that sells reasonably priced plus-sizes (Addition-Elle), and the clothes are in nasty synthetic fabrics, and still only fit a b-cup, and I WISH they were as well-made as Old Navy. Which, by the way, never sold their women’s line in Canada, and doesn’t deliver up here.

    For those wondering why we need a ‘women’s’ range, and not just misses clothing in larger sizes-misses clothing is designed for a b-cup, with no hips or ass. Women’s is designed for a c-cup, and more hips and bums.

    I’m currently working my ass off (well, actually my stomach-I have a fairly flat ass) at the gym four days a week, two with a personal trainer. And for those skinny people who think us fatties should just exercise a bit more, and eat a bit less (no, no one here is saying that, I’m excoriating them in absentia), I’ll have you know it ain’t that easy to lose weight. And for those (again, no one here) who are even more horrified at people who are not only fat, but also poor-losing weight ins’t cheap, either.

  26. This reminds me of a regular gripe of mine… even when there are larger sizes, they never include larger petite sizes. I’m a size 14, but only 5’3″ (so about a 30/32 inch inseam). For example, I love Gap jeans, but I have to order them online because Gap stores never seem to stock any shorter inseam pants above size 10. Isn’t the average size for women in the US like 10-14? I have no idea why they wouldn’t have the full range of options in these sizes. “Petite” girls aren’t all tiny waifs… short women have curves too!

  27. Right on, Caro!

    I personally have more trouble with the inseams because while I’m 5’2″-ish (tall end of the ‘petite’ scale), my preferred inseam is a 28 — I am fairly proportionately short all over (not just a short torso or short legs) but I don’t wear a lot of heels. I should NOT have to hem petite pants at my height! *sigh*

    Glad to hear about Lane Bryant — will have to check them out. Does anyone know if Petite Sophisticate finally pulled their heads out of their collective asses and started carrying *anything* resembling plus sizes? I think they used to stop at 12 or 14 — a friend of mine who was certainly no larger than a 14/16 at the time was told (quite rudely) that they didn’t carry “her size”, and I haven’t checked them out since. Hell, they might not even exist any more in my area.

    It is so SAD to hear that even in New York, one of the bloody fashion *capitols*, that plus size women can’t catch a break! *SIGH!* OK — anyone up for collectively financing a plus size/curvy women’s line? I know enough about patterning and design to be dangerous….

  28. This doesn’t help the walk-in problem, but Land’s End has nice clothes in plus sizes that go up to (I think) a 28 in slacks. I assume they’re as good quality as the petite sizes that I buy from them. Even better, they at least occasionally use pictures of actual plus-size models wearing the plus-size clothes instead of using the same picture of a size 0.

    I have come to accept that I have a weird body for a woman: big shoulders, boobs and stomach, virtually no hips or butt. Seriously, we’re talking about a size 12 top and a size 6 bottom. Dresses are the worst pain in the ass ever.

  29. FWIW, I was actually quite impressed with the Plus/Women’s department at Lord and Taylor when I last visited NYC. The Lane Bryant on 34th also seems to have a much better/deeper selection than most of the mall stores. And I echo the Right Fit jeans love, although I’m mildly annoyed that the petites run a bit too long.

    Maybe a Zipcar membership would be worth it just to go to Torrid!

  30. the the LB’s do run long, i’m 5’6″ and the average was kinda long on me…the other bad thing is that one of the fits runs alot smaller than the others so someone with that body type still might not be able to get a size that fits them

  31. I never shop at Old Navy because their clothes are crap. I usually get stuff at NY & Co, because they have pants that fit me (I’m a tall 12/14) that aren’t too insanely expensive. They even have pants cut for hips, which I have in abundance. I like Lane Bryant stuff, but I’m not quite large enough for their sizes (and I’m just slightly too large for non-plus sizes, so buying clothes is a big headache). I honestly think the clothing industry has its collective head up the ass, because it shouldn’t be this difficult. But at least I don’t get disrespected for daring to set my not quite fat ass into the stores. I feel you ladies who do.

  32. Mnemosyne, I’m your reverse. I can fit into small or even extra small shirts, but I wear size 12 -14 pants. Dresses suck for me to, because they’re too loose in the chest or they come up really short because they’re not designed to handle the curves of my lower body. I hate pants too, because they’re always too loose in the waist and often rather tight in the hips and thighs. I checked out Lane Bryant’s Right Fit, but even though I’m in the middle of their hip ranges their waist ranges don’t even come close to me. So no comfy pants for me. 🙁

  33. sorry about that…

    You need to hop on the metro north and go to white plains, which is like a 30 minute train ride. The White Plains Galleria has Torrid. It’s only about a 5 minute walk from the train station.

    But this Old Navy thing is ridiculous. Who would buy a pair of jeans from on-line without ever trying them on? Forget about that.

    I can’t fit in their clothes because they are not made for people with a big booty and small waist, but my good friend who is more thick waisted and is plus sized seems to be only able to find jeans at Old Navy.

    For the big booty and apple shaped women I recommend Fashion Bug. Lately, their clothes are a little less stylish in the past couple years, but generally their plus size section is just as big as their other sections. Come to think of it, in the store I go to, the misses, kids, and juniors sections combined are the same size as the plus section. I’ve also noticed that they are pretty good about hiring diverse women (in terms of race and body type). I don’t wear I plus size, but mother does and she goes there often, but I go there too for big booty clothes. 🙂 I’m a large size bust, a medium waist, and a 1X hip, and their jeans fit well.

    I also like the Gloria Vanderbilt Jeans at Kohls, for big booties, and I saw them in plus sizes the last time I was there. Plus, that’s Anderson Cooper’s mama, so you would be supporting Jill’s crush.

  34. I hate pants too, because they’re always too loose in the waist and often rather tight in the hips and thighs.

    Best advice I ever saw on “What Not to Wear”: fit your pants to the widest part of your body and have the waist taken in. It only costs $20-$30 and you’ll be much happier.

    Myself, they will pry my low-rise pants from my cold dead hands. They’re the only pants that are comfortable at the waist and yet don’t have clown levels of bagginess at the hips and thighs.

  35. http://www.bandlu.com

    it is an online store- but wicked cute clothes. It is a little pricey for me to get stuff from regularly, but I have a dress or two……

    yes, the new Lane Bryant jeans are fantastic – I just wish they were rigid demin, not the stretchy kind.

  36. Old Navy has plus-sizes? Who knew! I was in the Paramus store this summer looking for shorts and couldn’t find anything bigger than a 12!

    I never thought I’d be willing to buy clothing from catalogs, without trying it on, but I have had excellent luck with Chadwick’s, which carries some plus sizes, and the related plus-size brand Jessica London. Their fit chart seems a little odd to me — it puts me a few sizes higher than I typically am in stores, but buying my “regular” size has worked out very well. And returning/exchanging is not too much of a hassle.

  37. i kno its wrong but im so envious of the women on here with small waists and large hips, im the opposite, im built like a candy apple, skinny legs no hips flat ass then a pudgy buddha belly ginormous breasts and fat arms, in order to find pants that arent massive in the thighs and butt i have to cut slits on each side of the waist band to make more room for the larger part of me then wear a belt to prevent the pants from falling down, or rolling down below my stomach, which they still do, as i have no hips. except the pants from torrid. oh torrid, with their pants that fit.

    i havent voluntarily worn a button down shirt in years.

  38. It might simply be because really large people may not be there in significant enough numbers to allocate floor space. Not everything is a conspiracy. Most businesses will happily cater to whoever will bring them the dollars.

  39. i call my new lane bryant jeans my ‘amazing ass jeans’, b/c seriously…it’s amazing.

    they have the ‘little in the middle, but much back’, the ‘hour glass’ and the ‘apple’, and different leg styles! YAY.

    however, I need to have a word with someone about button up shirts. i’d kill a man to have one. but between being short (and short waisted) and having giant knockers, button up shirts mock me. if they fit in the boobs, they are crazy long so the darts end up miles below where they should be, and the shoulders are monstrous. and if they fit perfectly everywhere else, my boobs are busting out, trying for a world take over.

  40. Melissa at #42: But ON didn’t even bother publicizing that they had plus women’s sizes in the first place, and didn’t even have them at most of their stores. I’d say that in that case, the term “planned obsolescence” leaps to mind. I know all clothing retailers are getting killed these days and that space is at a premium (petites are another thing that’s damn near impossible to find in a brick-and-mortar outlet these days, and just try finding any plus petites if you’re under 5’4″, just try). But for Monty’s sake, ON has dog clothes in their stores, they couldn’t make room for the average to average-plus-sized woman’s rear end?

    OTOH, not being an ON shopper I wouldn’t know, but I have heard many women who have bought the Women’s Plus clothing say the cut is also extra-weird; one woman said their jeans were cut “as though they used a chicken for a model.” So I have to wonder if they really ever wanted our business in the first place. Compare that to LB/Catherine’s, which did rigorous testing on actual bodies to come up with the Right Fit system and will soon be applying it to all their pants. I know who’s getting my shekels.

  41. What everyone else said! Buncha things:

    –Thank you for turning me on to Torrid and FUCK OLD NAVY! Their women’s line is made like shit anyway, especially their shorts. I just buy guy’s shorts for summer now.

    –RE Macy’s Plus Sizes–even the selection at the FLAGSHIP store sucks! Just because I’m a size 16-18 (depending on brand) and over the age of 20 doesn’t mean I want to dress like a grandma (and neither of my late grandmas would wear that fugly crap anyway).

    What I do these days:

    –Order my pants from LandsEnd.com (their plus range is VERY VERY good and VERY well made
    –Get tops and blazers as I can find them–LandsEnd is also a good bet here (I don’t need plus-size tops) and get blazers in XL regular if I can find nice ones and just wear them open.

    If anyone has a good source for plus-size outerwear (ie good dress winter coats, NOT fucking Arctic expedition parkas), please tag it up here.

  42. Melissa @ 42, given that the average American woman wears something like a 12 (meaning that roughly half of women wear sizes larger than 12 *) and our money is just as green as anyone else’s , it ain’t the shortage of big female shoppers looking for clothes. I work closley with several big fashion chains, and the decision to exclude big women is entirely deliberate as far as they are concerned- they don’t want us in their stores fatting up the place. I’ve heard it said in the boardrooms.

    *yes, I know about the complexities here, I’m just generalizing to make the point- I hear the ‘we don’t make clothes for fat women beacuse they are rare’ excuse a lot and it just doesn’t wash.

  43. I’m 5′ tall, hourglass figure, butt and hips.

    I have a 27″ inseam.

    I buy most of my pants on eBay, where I can search by inseam.

    Interesting note: Since I’ve been doing this, the range in sizes I wear *day-to-day* ranges from a 2 to an 8.

    WTF, mate.

    I think wistfully of the days when I was able to buy jeans off-the-rack, well…anywhere.

    No more. Ugh.

  44. JPlum, where do you live, and how big are you? I ask because I’m Canadian, and when I was reliably shopping in the plus section, I got most of my clothes from Cotton Ginny Plus, Reitmans, Cleo, The Bay, and Sears. Smart Set occasionally has something interesting in their plus section, and one could look in Fairweather, too. I’m unimpressed with Addition-Elle, but I’d hardly say it’s the only thing out there.

    Disclosure: I used to wear an 18 women’s pant, and a 14-16 blouse/jacket. These days, I’m wearing a 13 pant and a 14/15 jacket. The width of your shoulders generally doesn’t change no matter how much weight you lose, and nothing happened to my bust…

  45. As if Old Navy wasn’t giving me enough of an excuse not to shop there already by persistently sizing me out of their pants on the other end of the scale. (Hello? Short scrawny women have hips too thx!) Tiny women can’t find pants, fat women can’t find *anything*…screw it, I’ll toss my money down another fashion hole.

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