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Love, Redemption…Retribution

img_8714.jpgI’ve witnessed some amazing stories of love up here in the mountains.  Love, when it goes right here, is an amazing and beautiful thing. I’ve touched on some of the great loves I’ve seen in “I’ll Fly Away” and “Whose Sweetheart are You?” Both of those stories are about widows, but I’ve also seen members of the current generation who seem to share a depth of love that we rarely see anymore.  Pastor Jimmy Morrow and his wife, Pam, my serpent handling friends, come to mind.  They positively glow with their love for each other.  It’s like watching swans.

They do have some charming courtship customs.  There used to be something called a “Pie Supper”.  They would use these to raise money for school supplies and things the community needed.  Girls would bake pies and bring them.  Then the young men would bid on the pies for the honor of eating the pie with the young lady who made it.  They would also auction a “walk” with the pie baker.  If a young man bought both a girl’s pie and her walk, it meant his intentions were serious.

One of my friends tells the story of when she was a newlywed and her husband had gone back to the war in Korea.  She was staying with her family and she and her sisters attended a pie supper.  She asked them not to enter a pie with her name on it in the auction, but they did anyway.  A young man, who was shy, but had been carrying a candle for her for many years bought both her pie and her walk.  He had just returned from his own stint in Korea and was still wearing his uniform.

After the bidding, she took him his pie and said, “You can have the pie and eat it, but I’m a married woman now and can’t share it with you or go on a walk.”

His face crumpled and he said, “But you can’t be married yet!”

He had waited too long.

Love is tied up with faith in the mountains. They are deeply religious. It’s not uncommon to see themes of epiphanies, redemption and retribution in people’s personal stories.  Many times a marriage will truly flower after the man has been “saved”, either by religion or by the woman.

One of my favorite stories involves a couple around my age.  She became very ill about fifteen years ago.  He promised God he would never drink again if she would only recover.  She did, and he has kept that promise.

Another couple were married and he strayed into infidelity.  He became seriously ill and she nursed him back to health while the other woman abandoned him.  They are one of the most devoted couples I know now.

There is still a very strong taboo against divorce here.  It does happen, but it is spoken of in hushed terms.  It’s more common when things don’t work out for the couple to separate quietly.  Often times, they do get back together.

Likewise, when it goes wrong, it can be a violent, tragic mess.  Most of the families here are quite large and inter-related.  Domestic violence does happen.  It is not at all uncommon, if a woman is beaten by her husband, for her male family members to beat the crap out of the offender.  And I’m talking a  “put in the hospital” beating.  Usually the offender leaves the community or just disappears.

They have their own sort of justice here.

I have heard whisperings, though I have no real confirmation, of something like honor killings.  It’s not just for women, though, and it’s more likely to happen for an offense like the sexual molestation or endangerment of a child.

They have a phrase, “Like t’ end up in the Gulf.”

The Gulf is a large wilderness area.  The phrase implies that a person might be killed and the body dumped in the Gulf for the bears to take of the remains.

The women are remarkably long suffering compared to women on the outside in what they will put up with. And there is something different about this, in that it seems to be very much a conscious decision on their part.  But they do have limits.  I’ve spoken with many women who set boundaries early in their relationships.

“If you ever hit me, I’ll kill you.”

And they totally mean it.  And the men know they mean it.  These are not women you want to cross.

Today’s story is about a woman who didn’t wait for her kinfolk to take care of her problem.  It’s called, “Lilly of the Holler”.


7 thoughts on Love, Redemption…Retribution

  1. Roseanne,

    I’ve enjoyed your stories and essays on the hill folks. I lived there for a short time, and all the things you’ve said are very accurate.

    But incomplete.

    There’s a darker side to this culture too. Virulently racist, isolationist with a very large dose of anti-intellectualism as well.

  2. Thanks for the comment Christina.

    I agree this is incomplete. If anyone would like to investigate more into Appalachian studies…or take a degree in it…you can find links to those programs at The Appalachian Studies Association. The entire scope is a wee bit broad for me to undertake in one week in blog post format. And…I’m trying to keep it light.

    I have written on my blog about many of the issues you speak of, as well as their almost pathological tendency toward depression and their fascination with death. The racism issue is complicated due to the four separate racial groups present. Hispanics make five and the folk seem to still be trying to figure that one out. It’s a very complicated melange between Cherokee, Whites, Melungeons and African Americans. Cherokee, Whites and Melungeons freely intermarry and respect each other. Cherokee, Melungeons and African Americans freely intermarry and respect each other. White/Black racism seems to be the most prevalent. Yet when the Klan sighted on Newport as a rallying place…everyone came out against it and created a Diversity festival to block their permits. Honestly…I haven’t figured it out yet. They all seem chummy in the cockfighting ring.

    I agree they are isolationists and anti-intellectualists…I can’t blame them. The media and intellectuals have created some very damaging stereotypes to apply to them….going back for a hundred years.

    But if you approach them with an open heart and don’t try to change them or make them more like you…they are the most inviting people you will find. At least I have found them so. I’ve been unofficially “adopted” into two families. They call me “cousin”. And I’m flattered.

    But they do say I talk “fancy”.

  3. You might be interested in a novel called “Box Socials” by W.P. Kinsella. The tradition from the title sounds really similar to the “pie supper,” except instead of a pie, it’s usually a box lunch or some kind of meal. (Not coming from that tradition myself, it reminds me a bit of the fancily embroidered “pockets” — small pouches on a long string tied around the waist like an apron, that women would make for showing-off purposes in New France in the 1600s.)

  4. Where I lived was much more…homogeneous. (It was the southern tip of Appalachia–near the TN-GA border)

    So, of course, there will be differences. But everything you said is true. They are very friendly and welcoming. There’s a separation there for those who have not been there for 10 + generations, but I think you’ll find that anywhere to be honest.

  5. Hi Interrobang…I see you over at Anne’s TGAB now and again. They did the box lunches too. There were a few more things but I’ll have to ask Betty what else they auctioned.

    Ah, Christina…you were in Eric Rudolph-ville or very close to it. I’m on the other side of the Park north of 40. You are right about the separation. Though I’ve been largely accepted..I’m still an outsider, a foreigner.

  6. I’ve been loving reading your stuff, and this just made me realize why. The best place I’ve ever lived is the Northeast Kingdom of Vermont. I left there a little over a year ago, and I miss it horribly.

    The folks there tend to be of two types- the true Vermonters, with 6+ generations in the ground, and the flatlanders who’ve moved up. Mostly the flatlanders move for idealogical reasons, and as such tend to be more intellectual and consciously earthy than the locals. The true Vermonters, though… I don’t even know how to describe it. They’re such an isolated community with such a rich and difficult cultural history that is so intertwined with the landscape that you literally cannot imagine these people ever leaving. Their environmentalism and attitude toward their surroundings is survival, because they are the wilds of Vermont.

    There is, of course, misgyny and racism and a lot of neocon-type anti-intellectualism. Those women, though. Those women are tough in a way city women don’t have to be. Many of the houses just recently got running water. Where I lived, the closest non-food store was a Walmart almost a 30 minute drive away, and if you have to run a household and raise children in those situations, you have to learn to make what you need and do without when you can. You can see in their faces that yes, they are long-suffering, and yes, they know there will come a time when they will make a stand for themselves, and yes, the person they are making that stand against will lose.

    Anyway, this is of course a bit of a tangent. I just found the connection between these two separate environments to be interesting. I’m a bit closer geographically to Appalachia nowadays, and now I really want to spend some time there.

    Thanks for your guest stint! It really has been enjoyable.

  7. Weird. I think that used to be a widespread custom in general, because they did the same thing (except it was a whole meal) in the novel “So Big” by Edna Ferber, except that the people doing it were from Illinois and Dutch. I thought it was kinda freaky in that whole women as property/personal chef kind of way, though, frankly.

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