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Two Birds

(First of all, mille grazie to Holly for typing up that gargantuan Whipping Girl passage, plus several more paragraphs, since I don’t have it available here.)

Q made some comments on the Gendercator thread (http://feministe.powweb.com/blog/archives/2007/05/22/questioning-the-evil-transgender-robot-army/) comparing transition to abortion. I was going to reply in comments, but it sort of mutated into a post—then into a very long post. I’m snipping, and I hope I’m not misrepresenting.

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Holly, I used the word hedonism, so the criticism should be leveled at me, not at Crouch. I think that Kathleen’s post #34 is part and parcel of that hedonism. If one pursues surgery on one’s body, that is a modification, and in as far as the goal is to decrease personal pain and increase pleasure (quality of life) on a level that is labeled “personal” but which is indeed political, hedonism is a factor. I am more free as a woman to pursue body modification through surgery (breast augmentation *or* SRS) than I am to pursue an abortion. That’s a dangerous continuum for all women. And in that vein, where a woman’s choice to pursue body modification through surgery is a *normative* choice, then all those who lie outside the norm become suspect because of their reluctance to toe that particular line.

No one is free to pursue SRS, because SRS is not treated as simple body modification. It is not available on demand. You cannot walk into a doctor’s office and demand hormones or a referral for them. You cannot walk into a surgeon’s office and schedule surgery. Here are the current standards for seeking to transition via hormones:

(available here: http://www.genderpsychology.org/transsexual/hbsoc_2001.html; the formerly-Harry-Benjamin website, the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, http://www.wpath.org/, has a pdf version)

1. Age 18 years;

2. Demonstrable knowledge of what hormones medically can and cannot do and their social benefits and risks;

3. Either:
a. A documented real life experience of at least three months prior to the administration of hormones; or
b. A period of psychotherapy of a duration specified by the mental health professional after the initial evaluation (usually a minimum of three months).

[Note that therapy is not an absolute requirement; still, it’s standard.]

In selected circumstances, it can be acceptable to provide hormones to patients who have not fulfilled criterion 3 – for example, to facilitate the provision of monitored therapy using hormones of known quality, as an alternative to black-market or unsupervised hormone use.

Readiness Criteria. Three criteria exist:

1. The patient has had further consolidation of gender identity during the real-life experience or psychotherapy;

2. The patient has made some progress in mastering other identified problems leading to improving or continuing stable mental health (this implies satisfactory control of problems such as sociopathy, substance abuse, psychosis and suicidality;

3. The patient is likely to take hormones in a responsible manner.

And here are the requirements for surgery:

1. Legal age of majority in the patient’s nation;

2. Usually 12 months of continuous hormonal therapy for those without a medical contraindication (see below “Can Surgery Be Provided Without Hormones and the Real-life Experience”);

3. 12 months of successful continuous full time real-life experience. Periods of returning to the original gender may indicate ambivalence about proceeding and generally should not be used to fulfill this criterion;

4. If required by the mental health professional, regular responsible participation in psychotherapy throughout the real life experience at a frequency determined jointly by the patient and the mental health professional. Psychotherapy per se is not an absolute eligibility criterion for surgery;

5. Demonstrable knowledge of the cost, required lengths of hospitalizations, likely complications, and post-surgical rehabilitation requirements of various surgical approaches;

6. Awareness of different competent surgeons.

1. Demonstrable progress in consolidating one’s gender identity;

2. Demonstrable progress in dealing with work, family, and interpersonal issues resulting in a significantly better state of mental health; this implies satisfactory control of problems such as sociopathy, substance abuse, psychosis, suicidality, for instance).

In order to obtain SRS, you have to undergo therapy. Then you have to get a mental-health professional to attest that your gender identity is stable and that you really need this surgery. They also have to assert that you’re stable and sane enough to handle transitioning. If your mental-health professional doesn’t want to write your letter, you have no recourse. You may need to satisfy additional requirements unilaterally imposed by them, or start over with a new therapist.

Moreover, we’re talking about the prime rate option. Most applicants will probably face a great deal of prejudice on any number of other grounds, so their practical requirements might be a lot higher and more expensive. Bear in mind that you may also only have access to a doctor who is ignorant of transsexuality or hateful towards it; you might have to educate them and accept degradation in your level of care in order to obtain transition-related treatments.

These days, it is possible in some places to obtain hormones via informed consent, and the availability of informed-consent treatment is increasing. Most transpeople do not have that option; most care providers do not support it. It is also true that some surgeons will perform surgery on people who do not have the proper documentation, but they’re a minority and they typically will perform surgery only on those people who are already otherwise transitioned—a transguy who’s been on hormones for four years won’t suddenly become physically transitioned after top surgery.

Oh, and then there’s the enormous trouble and expense, almost none of which is covered or supported in any way. We are talking about a series of procedures that typically cost several thousand dollars, and can wind up costing a lot more. Mind you, this doesn’t include things like taking off work for surgery or changing jobs in transition. That alone disqualifies tens of thousands of potential recipients.

This regime strikes me as really restrictive–in some ways, more restrictive than current legislation on abortion. Some of it is strikingly similar to abortion policy pre-Roe. We can talk about the justice of these or any requirements, but self-determination is simply not the status quo.

Why all the restriction? It is not true that gender-reassignment–the social, hormonal, or surgical aspects of it–has been used to resolve a social problem, certainly not gender non-conformity in people who then became transsexuals. That isn’t how the gender-clinic model worked, or how the HBSOC were set up or even how they currently operate. It is vital to understand the actual process if you’re gonna talk about how transsexuality/transgender-spectrum identities have been managed by the medical profession and the powers that be.

As Julia Serano puts it in Whipping Girl:

But as transsexuality gained more attention–almost all of it negative–from the mainstream media and the psychiatric and medical establishments, there was increasing pressure to placate the public’s prejudices and fears about sex reassignment. In response, many of those who were positioning themselves as gatekeepers argued in favor of an approach that was quite different from the one Benjamin initially advocated [more patient-centered, less punitive], one that would regulate and limit the availability of hormones and sex reassignment procedures only to those trans people who would be able to successfully blend into society as “normal” women and men. According to this strategy, the gatekeepers’ job was to sort out the “true” transsexuals (who would be allowed to fully transition) from all other trans people (who would be denied any medical intervention other than psychotherapy). This highly dichotomous approach to treating trans people reflected the fact that most other sexologists–such as John Money, who pioneered the use of nonconsensual genital surgeries on intersex infants, and Richard Green, who is renowned for his use of behavioral modification to eliminate femininity in young boys–seemed to be primarily interested in “curing” ( i.e. eliminating) sex-, gender-, and sexuality-related ambiguities.

By the late 1960s–with the establishment of several U.S. gender identity clinics and the publication of Green and Money’s medical anthology Transsexualism and Sex Reassignment–a standard protocol for dealing with people who requested sex reassignment had started to emerge. These guidelines for treatment were later codified with the release of the original HBIGDA Standards of Care in 1979, and while they have evolved somewhat over time–especially since the mid-1990s, when HBIGDA finally began to incorporate changes suggested by the transgender community–they follow the same basic outline today. While this chapter is largely written in past tense (to maintain grammatical consistency), it should be said that most gatekeepers today still follow this same basic protocol, and many still evaluate their trans clients based on the oppositional and traditional sexist criteria that I discuss throughout this chapter. The first step in this process was a period of psychotherapy (lasting at least three months, often more), during which time a mental health professional would evaluate the client. If the trans person received a recommendation from that therapist (which today comes in the form of a diagnosis of gender identity disorder, or GID) they would then be allowed to begin their “real-life test”–a one- or two-year period during which they were required to live full-time in their identified sex. If the real-life test was deemed successful by both the transsexual and the therapist, the trans person would be eligible for hormone replacement therapy (in those cases where hormones were not prescribed before or concurrent with the real-life test) and sex reassignment surgery (which usually required a recommendation from a second mental health professional).

While the gatekeepers consistently argued that these methods were designed to protect the transsexual, the way that they were executed (especially prior to the mid-1990s) reveals an underlying agenda. Whether unconscious or deliberate, the gatekeepers clearly sought to (1) minimize the number of transsexuals who transitioned, (2) ensure that most people who did transition would not be “gender-ambiguous” in any way, and (3) make certain that those transsexuals who fully transitioned would remain silent about their trans status. These goals were clearly disadvantageous to transsexuals, as they limited trans people’s ability to obtain relief from gender dissonance and served to isolate trans people from one another, thus rendering them invisible. Rather, these goals were primarily designed to protect the cissexual public from their own gender anxiety by ensuring that most cissexuals would never come face-to-face with someone they knew to be transsexual.

The gatekeepers’ attempts to suppress the number of trans people allowed to transition occurred at virtually every step of the sex reassignment process. For example, the gender identity clinics that were established to treat (and carry out research on) trans people often accepted only a small percentage of those who applied to their programs (for example, the program at Johns Hopkins only approved twenty-four of the first two thousand requests they received for sex reassignment surgery). And simply being accepted into one of these programs was not a guarantee that one would be allowed to transition. First, the trans person had to undergo extensive, sometimes indefinite, periods of psychotherapy designed to evaluate whether or not they met the psychiatrist’s criteria for “true” transsexuals, rather than the arguably more important task of preparing the trans person for the emotional and physical changes associated with transitioning. Those who received recommendations were required to continue in therapy through the entire transitioning process ( i.e., until after surgery). This requirement of several years of psychotherapy–in addition to the expenses of hormones, surgery, and other procedures that were generally not covered by health insurance–created a huge financial burden that severely limited the number of people who would have the economic means to transition in the first place.

Those who were allowed to begin the real-life test often faced additional obstacles, as some gender identity clinics (and early versions of The HBIGDA Standards of Care) required trans people to begin their tests prior to starting hormone replacement therapy. Since an extraordinarily small percentage of trans people are physically able to “pass” as their identified sex without the aid of hormones, this unnecessarily exposed the transsexual to all sorts of discrimination, harassment, and potential violence. This postponing of hormones essentially perverted the real-lief test, turning it into little more than a hazing period designed to weed out transsexuals who were the least “passable” in their identified sex.

The gatekeepers also kept the number of transitioned transsexuals low by requiring them to conform to oppositional sexist ideals regarding gender. This was primarily achieved by making “passing” a prerequisite for transitioning. Such criteria ensured that cissexual prejudices about the preferred sizes and shapes of female and male bodies would be the ultimate arbiters of whether a trans person would be allowed to transition or not. Not only did the trans person have to physically “pass” as their identified sex, they needed to exhibit the “appropriate” sexual orientation (heterosexual) and gender expression (masculinity for trans men; femininity for trans women) for that sex as well.

So, the pre-gender-clinic medical-professional dialogue didn’t go,

First Doctor: Dang, there are all these gendervariant people who don’t act masculine or feminine enough.

Second Doctor: Let’s push SRS on them and force them to live as the opposite sex.

First Doctor: That will solve everyone’s problem!

It was more like,

First Doctor: Dang, all these freaks keep coming into my office and demanding that they be allowed to live in their identified gender–and given hormones and surgery to help them along!

Second Doctor: Same here! I’ve tried electroshock therapy, psychoanalysis, hormones to try and make them act more like their assigned gender, and even Raid, but nothing makes them shut up or go away.

First Doctor: They have this really annoying tendency to attempt suicide when they can’t have their way, too. Sometimes they even try to castrate themselves. What are we gonna do?

(beat)

(beat)

(pause for decades of pleas, agitation, and misery)

Second Doctor: Well, maybe we could…try giving them what they want?

First Doctor: But how can we keep them from ever bothering us again? They’re so icky. We can’t be responsible for unleashing transsexuals on decent men and women.

Second Doctor: Wait, wait, maybe there’s a way to kill two birds with one stone! We’ll offer transition, but only to the transsexuals who can make themselves completely invisible! We’ll just refuse to treat the ones that won’t obey. That way, no one will ever have to acknowledge transsexuality ever again!

First Doctor: I like it!

Transition–the demand from transsexuals to be allowed to live as their identified gender and bring their bodies into alignment with their proprioception–was the impossible problem. The gender clinics evolved not to impose that option, but to manage and restrict it. And they initially managed it right out of the question for most transsexuals who sought it. Those who were approved had to submit to an arduous, dangerous, humiliating test of their committment before they could even start hormones–a test that came with double-binds galore. This test was designed to weed out as many candidates as possible, and to make it abundantly clear to the others that they could expect neither aid nor respect.

Historically and currently, the gatekeepers have acted to make transition harder rather than easier to access. Nor are these restrictions limited to a regime consistent with minimizing variance in the general population–it isn’t only visible, out, or queerly gendered transpeople who are typically hindered or denied. Transition is not a social endeavor, not a public-health measure. It’s frightening, and it constitutes a demand to be variant in and of itself.

It is true that transition is not illegal, but hey: as anti-choice activists across the country have figured out, why bother with illegal when you’ve got impossible? There was no historical need for prohibition because there was no historical availability to combat. Call me cynical, but I think that legislators might well have stepped in if the medical profession had started at self-determination. There are certainly plenty of punitive, arbitrary regulations around transition now.

It is undoubtedly true that SRS has become part of the normative conception of transsexuality, but that is not the same as being “the normative option”–particularly not given the traditionally and currently restrictive nature of transition or the way that birth sex still often supercedes post-op status. When someone asks, “Have you had the surgery yet?” they aren’t actually giving post-op transsexual genitalia parity with the cissexual kind. They are establishing a power differential. The question and the criterion are inseparable. “Are you acceptable to me yet? Have you given me reason enough to respect your identity in some situations? Which level of lesser creature are you?”

Were this not the case, SRS would not be as sensationalized as it is. That surgery on trans genitals would not be exempt from traditional privacy mores around other surgeries on cissexual genitals. Finally, SRS would actually be a dividing line that protected some transsexuals from transphobia some of the time. It would not be characterized as artificial, imitative, perverse, or inadequate. The actual feelings of transsexuals would take precedence.

Transition is sort of like abortion in that sense, as is the grudging provisional autonomy both women and transsexuals are granted over their own bodies. It’s an option that only became available because care providers realized that prohibiting it was even messier–for them, not for the people involved–and it only became available as part of an oppressive administrative strategy. And the “good transition” is sort of like the “good abortion:” virtually impossible to obtain.

SRS is not something that all transpeople want or need. (There I go again.) However, it is something that many if not most transsexuals seek out at some point, or would seek out if it were not so totally unfeasible for so many people. But it’s much more than that. It has become something of a metonymic focus—sort of like abortion for women, or the buttsex for gay men. Non-transsexuals are obsessed with it, and it is this fixation that transpeople are right to focus on.

The rules governing SRS–medical and legal–also affect every transperson by virtue of the control they arrogate over trans bodies. Again, look at abortion: even a woman who cannot get pregnant or who would never seek an abortion herself is right to feel extremely afraid of anti-choice legislation. It represents control over all female bodies by virtue of their sex, and the ethos driving it certainly doesn’t limit itself to teminating pregnancies.

SRS is not treated in the same way as surgery–just as abortion is not. It is not viewed with the same palliative faith and transsexuals are not viewed as uncomplicated subjects to receive it. It remains deeply suspect in the absence of grounds for suspicion–not because it stands to injure people who undergo it, but because it represents a destabilizing influence on the boundaries society reserves for its own comfort.

For these reasons, it is extremely unlikely that the government or the religious right will ever try to force sex-reassignment on a group of people to enforce congruity, whether they are actually transsexual or not. And that’s why it was really irritating to see a “dystopian vision” that completely elided all of that by ignoring the societal distinction between transsexual and non-transsexual bodies, lives, and identities.


23 thoughts on Two Birds

  1. Beautiful post– and I second the kudos to Holly for typing out that passage.

    I think one of the interesting things that this post points to is that transsexual people and feminists fighting traditional roles are largely fighting the same battle.

    Trans women, by and large, don’t like all the crap we’re required to go through. The standards of care and their paternalistic, gender-normative assumptions are one of the most discussed (and heated) topics on the transsexual-specific bulletin boards I post to.

    Straight, gender and hetero-normative doctors (largely white guys, to boot) have been pushing rules down our throats for decades, and lots of us are pushing back.

    Transsexual people, as a group, aren’t strikingly gender-normative (or any less diverse than any other group). We’re not the one’s driving the system– we’re desperately trying to negotiate our way through a bigoted system, in order to get the care we need.

    If we were running the show, there’d likely be a lot more room for natural variation in human behavior.

  2. Perhaps better stated:

    As I see it, the people with power in society really don’t like people whose gender roles don’t conform to traditional models, and as a result society tries to make these people conform or disappear from view.

    Society also fears people whose internal sex identity doesn’t match the genitals they were born with, and tries to make these people conform or disappear from view.

    For many transsexual people, only the latter is true. For some, both are true.

    While these two cases are slightly different (gender expression as opposed to sex identity), they’re both being opposed by the same forces.

  3. I’m a close friend to a transsexual person who has been through all of this, and 3 months ago the NHS finally agreed to her surgery (after over 3 years of legal battles, tests, innumerable psych reports, all manner of painful surgery to alter breasts, voice, facial features) – and then a couple of weeks ago, they said no, they wouldn’t do it after all. It will be another 6 months before the surgery could be carried out anyway, once they finally agree to it.

    She tells me, “the psychs ask standard questions and judge – they do NOT help in any way”

    She also asks me to comment that the facial and breast alterations were made in Thailand using her own money, rather than supported by the NHS, and that the surgeon damaged her voice in the process.

    So anyone suggesting that SRS is pushed by medical doctors or by psychiatrists, or that it is an “easy” or “normative” option for anyone, is simply not aware of what is actually involved!

  4. It remains deeply suspect in the absence of grounds for suspicion–not because it stands to injure people who undergo it, but because it represents a destabilizing influence on the boundaries society reserves for its own comfort.

    Excellent stuff. Lots to chew on.

  5. Interesting that breast augmentation and liposuction and such surgeries don’t seem to require (across the industry) the same psychotherapy that SRS does. Does the patient have strong enough self-confidence, are they doing it for themselves, etc. etc. much like the questioning of whether the SRS patient is “unambiguous” in their decision and all the rest. But breast augmentation and lipo serve the patriarchy while SRS doesn’t, so we’ve got to stigmatize and limit as much as possible the latter while playing up the former.

  6. I’m posting here for the first time….
    Not wanting to offend anyone, but simply to put forward my personal viewpoint. Which i am as entitled to as anyone else is entitled to thiers.
    I am a transexual – battling a long arduous system in the UK for three years. I have got to the point of finally being referred for gender surgery, but then suddenly previous promises of funding have been removed. The fight is not over yet. Recently i filled a 16 page complaint/appeal full of factual evidence & reasonable arguments based upon this – not opinion.
    I am having Gender Surgery not for the public, for social comformity or for any other reason than it shouldn’t be there.
    It is ‘wrong’ to me and this is how it has felt as long back as i can remember … Certainly I remember it was ‘wrong’ at 6 years old.

    The only social conformity was my building the metaphorical wall, keeping my true self hidden to obtain love and acceptance. I had to ‘learn’ how to act as a boy by looking at how boys played / behaved etc .. and copying.
    One strong memory is that of being confronted by a grassy hill.
    I began picking my way down it when boys i was with just launched themselves … running down it as fast as they could … So i copied this …
    Unfortunately TS is a ‘condition’ (to use the medical model) that only other TS can really emotionally fully understand.
    Of course it’s also an example of global natural diversity …
    Things are easier now than in the past. I know of TS who ‘tried’ to transition only be sectioned and given electric shock treatments & institutionalisation. However they are not easy or whimsical..
    To make matters more complicated … TS are individuals too with a hole range of expereinces. Discuss …. lol 🙂
    andrea

  7. In the UK – to have Breast Augmentation as a natal woman you do not require a psychiatric evaluation or other medical opinion first. Although some surgeons ask the GP if this would be OK.
    If you are transsexual you need at least one psychaitric referral. The draft guidelines published by the Royal College of Psychiatry are trying to make that two referrals !… A step backwards ? Why ?
    Andrea

  8. My experience in transition is a little different.

    My therapist uses the SOC as guidelines, not as a rigorous protocol.

    When I started this journey, I had to sort out a lot of personal issues first before I was really ready to even experiment with cross-living beyond the most superficial sense of it. (occasional cross-dressing, when I felt safe enough!)

    Since then, lots of smaller steps have taken place, but things like electrolysis or hormones were introduced a step at a time, at my request and as part of supporting the next steps I took.

    We’ve discussed the SOC at length (not to mention the DSM and much of the literature – including the insanity of NARTH, and the anti-gay movement. His approach is reasonable and flexible (or has been with me), and applies the concept of the SOC intelligently. (why yes, I actually like my therapist – he has been a constructive part of my journey, not a “gatekeeper” in my view)

    If there has been an error in the application of the SOC, it has come in the fact that so many transfolk have been subjected to rigid, inflexible protocols built on them. The professional justification for those protocols often seems to have more to do with protecting the therapist involved than the client’s needs. (They also tend to assume – rather incorrectly – that there are “one size fits all” solutions to the needs of those who choose to transition)

    I did want to address Andrea’s question about referrals as well. It sounds like the UK is trying to align with the common protocol in Canada/US, where most gender surgeons do expect two referrals before doing SRS.

  9. I am more free as a woman to pursue body modification through surgery (breast augmentation *or* SRS) than I am to pursue an abortion.

    I honestly can’t make heads or tails of this. If the speakers is talking about herself, presumably a non-trans woman, she isn’t “seeing” sex reassignment procedures as a trans man would. Not that I know anything about that myself, oh wait that’s right. A non-trans woman wouldn’t be “free” to pursue so-called sex reassignment procedures because she isn’t trans!
    If the argument was reconstruction surgery for a man who grew breasts (gynecomastia) or phalloplasty surgery for a man who lacked a penis, would the arguments be the same? But I am a man who has those “conditions” and has a real need for those surgeries. This is all very real to me.

  10. Wonderful post.

    It seems as though there are some people (of all different political views) who think transition goes more like this:
    We just wake up one morning, go over to the DMV to change our name and gender marker, and then we get a new license. Later, we drive our hummer to an expensive restaurant where we pay for brunch with our platinum card before going and getting a new wardrobe and some hormone shots. That evening, we drive back to the hospital to get our surgery. And the next morning we snicker at the male nurses and tell a female doctor to put on some make-up as we stroll out the door.
    /hyperbole

    With the actual requirements, it’s no wonder a lot of trans*people get internet or street hormones or save for years to fly to other countries. It’s no wonder there are trans*people who don’t even go to the doctor for GP stuff.

  11. And since we also seem to be telling transition stories…
    My therapist is awesome. She’s never cared that I’m not masculine or that I prefer men. I came to her after years of figuring everything out on my own and learning about transition through websites and forums.
    She made sure I wasn’t ‘crazy’, has helped me work through some things that stemmed from being closeted and stuff. She has made sure medical transition is what I want and need, not what I think I want. She has been supportive and respectful and I’m glad she plans on working with other trans*people. She told me one of the reasons she became interested in helping trans*people is because a couple years ago she met a transwoman in an institution. She had tried to castrate herself and commit suicide. My therapist saw this woman as a person driven to desperation, not as a fundamentally sick person. She wants to try to do what she can to make sure no one else is driven by that much pain.

    Unfortunately, the medical community near my parent’s house isn’t as helpful as my therapist. I haven’t been able to find a single doctor to proscribe me hormones. I’ve been searching for months and I still can’t find anyone. The only place near my parent’s house wants me to see their therapist for a while as well. And they don’t sound cheap and trans*-related things are explicitly not covered by insurance. So I have to wait until I go back to college until I start. Which of course, doesn’t help me now.

  12. 1) This probably represents me not doing my research, but I’m not really sure where to look, so I might as well ask–
    –is there some kind of major problem with people getting SRS and subsequently freaking out in the “what have I done?!” vein? I wouldn’t think so, but that’s only reasonable justification I can imagine for making people go through a battery of psych tests for what amounts to plastic surgery.

    2) As someone who personally doesn’t think about issues of gender identity very much, and in fact finds the whole topic a bit weird, I wonder whether it would help to divorce the medical bits of this problem from the broader philosophical questions of what it means to be one gender or another. You know, you don’t go to a doctor to “become male”, you go to get a cock and a nicely gravelly voice. Anyone might have a perfectly good reason for wanting those, and it doesn’t have anything to do with difficult categorization niceties…

  13. “Unfortunately, the medical community near my parent’s house isn’t as helpful as my therapist. I haven’t been able to find a single doctor to proscribe me hormones. I’ve been searching for months and I still can’t find anyone.”

    Drakyn, the website/forum trueselves has a list of people by state that are supposed to be friendly and knowledgeable, but you’d need to create an account, if I remember correctly. Haven’t gotten gotten to talk to any of the recommendations myself yet as I need to find reliable transportation first, and the only decent therapist left town. Not particularly surprised you can’t find anyone, though – everyone I asked here referred me to everyone else, and the circles were making me dizzy. =/

  14. AW, yeah I’ve checked there. My parents live in a rural area so there isn’t much around. And I’m going back in less than a month, so I’ll just wait until I get to NY.
    And yeah, I got multiple people telling me to go to xyz and xyz said I had to see their therapists or I might be able to see nmo who never called me back. That sort of thing.

  15. The King in Yellow, I have heard of people who regretted medical transition. But it really doesn’t seem like a common problem.
    But as far as I know, there have been no studies on regret.

  16. 1) This probably represents me not doing my research, but I’m not really sure where to look, so I might as well ask–
    –is there some kind of major problem with people getting SRS and subsequently freaking out in the “what have I done?!” vein? I wouldn’t think so, but that’s only reasonable justification I can imagine for making people go through a battery of psych tests for what amounts to plastic surgery.

    *Waves*

    Ahem.

    There have actually been studies on regret–they tend to find a pretty consistently low rate. There are problems, though, because transitioning people tend to drop out of the cohort as soon as they’ve gotten what they need. They go and get on with their lives. There’s also the question of “regret” actually being internalized transphobia and/or exhaustion from the externalized kind, although I am not inclined to disparage the testimony of regretful transitioned people.

    There are people who regret medically transitioning–either because life as a transsexual is not all that easy, because a transitioned body might not be quite suited to their complex gender identity after all, or because they’re not really transsexual. Most everyone in the system is trying to figure out how to create as many false positives as possible while still offering care to people who want and need it. The HBSOC in their current incarnation are less driven by the idea that there’s a “real” transsexual checklist (heterosexual orientation, masculine or feminine behavior, passable presentation) and more by the idea that transitioning people should be both monitored and supported.

    The question of the best arrangement is very contentious; some people think that the SOC should become more stringent, and some people think that informed-consent is the way to go. I myself am not sure that there is a system that will eliminate false positives.

  17. I think a balance needs to be found between the two extremes of informed consent and an unnecessarily strict SOC. While I can see the advantages of the former (especially as someone who got dragged around for too long for stupid reasons), it really does create the risk of increased false positives, who, as that doctor in the UK has found, tend to turn into vicious anti-trans activists.

    At the same time, the SOC as they stand still aren’t particularly sensible. We need to – as Julia Serano says – get right away from the gatekeeper model. If the necessary therapy had more in common with actual working through any issues, as opposed to enforced hoop-jumping, I think more false positives would be caught – and at the same time, the process would be shorter, because they could stop stuffing around with oft-stereotypical criteria. I don’t know if I’m making any sense, but eh.

  18. The King in Yellow: 2) As someone who personally doesn’t think about issues of gender identity very much, and in fact finds the whole topic a bit weird, I wonder whether it would help to divorce the medical bits of this problem from the broader philosophical questions of what it means to be one gender or another. You know, you don’t go to a doctor to “become male”, you go to get a cock and a nicely gravelly voice. Anyone might have a perfectly good reason for wanting those, and it doesn’t have anything to do with difficult categorization niceties…

    Score. You don’t go to a doctor to become a man or a woman. Society doesn’t get this. In the US, at least, legal definitions of man and woman are tied to what’s between your legs (not so in some other places, like the UK and Spain). There’s a lot of emphasis, both in the trans community and from without, to get surgery, so you can “fully live” as a man or a woman in the eyes of the law. But this is just a needless complication.

    In the case of transsexual women, society has this conception that you get a vagina, and then you’re magically different. You’re not– you’re the same person as always, except with a vagina. Surgery isn’t a magical key to “switching sex”– there’s really no such thing. IMO, transition is about self-expression, about freeing yourself to live as a member of the sex you identify as, and adopting whatever behaviors you’re comfortable with (conventional or not). I’d add that I’m not sure if society even has a conception of transsexual men, false or not.

    It’s entirely possible to live as a man (or a woman) with an unusual hormone balance, unconventional genitals, and unwanted facial hair or breasts. But, it’s usually pretty, ahem, undesirable, and uh, hard to get people to take you seriously. Not only that, but a lot of transsexual people just don’t like aspects of the bodies they were born with.

    Both in terms of living more as a member of one’s self-identified sex, but also in terms of being happy in one’s own skin, medical intervention is often desirable. It has nothing to do with the question of how behaviors are gendered in our society.

    All of this seems super simple to me, although maybe it helps that I’m transsexual. My wanting to change my body has nothing to do with wanting to change what it means to be a “man” or “woman.” I’m already a woman. I’d just like a body that I’m more comfortable with.

  19. Well, I certainly don’t see where I compared transitioning with abortion, but nice twist of what I wrote Piny. My point was that, as a female, it is more socially acceptable to pursue surgery/body modification *because one is a female* than it is for a woman to pursue abortion *because she is female*. I think, as feminists, this should be an issue that gets discussed.

    I’m betting we can even do it without charges of transphobia! Since when do feminist shirk the hard topics?

  20. I am more free as a woman to pursue body modification through surgery (breast augmentation *or* SRS) than I am to pursue an abortion.

    Q-Grrl, you said that you are more free to pursue SRS than an abortion.
    And it isn’t more socially acceptable to have SRS than it is to have an abortion. Certain aspects of transitioning, maybe (like breast augmentations for trans*women), but certainly not most aspects of medical transition.
    If you go to get an abortion (in the US or UK, since we seem to be focusing mostly on those two countries) do you have to spend a few years in therapy and get the approval of your therapist?
    What exactly were you trying to say? Because it sure as hell isn’t true that it is easier or more acceptable to general society to medically transition than get an abortion. If you are talking about nose jobs or whatever, I don’t see how being trans fits in with those. And I have seen feminists discuss how it is easier to get bigger boobs than smaller ones or an abortion!

    Eastsidekate, I totally agree with you about medical transition. I wrote something similar on an eljay forum once, but it was more of a rant (something about how we aren’t transitioning for or against you or your politics).

    I am a man, I don’t need surgeries or hormones to make me one. I want them, not because I think they will prove my manliness or something, but because I’m uncomfortable in my skin and taking hormones will change my body in ways that will make me more comfortable. Yes, I would like to be recognized as a man, but thats not the main reason I want hormones. The main reasons don’t have anything to do with anyone else. I’d still want hormones even if I’d be stuck on a desert island with no hope of ever seeing anyone again.

    I want hormones because there’s something about my song that is wrong–I can’t describe it but it’s out of tune or the chords don’t quite fit, I don’t know. hormones will help fix a part of whatever is wrong. They won’t change the song into something else or even into a masterpiece, but they will alter it in a way that will help me make my song work.
    …And that is probably a crappy analogy, but I hope it got my point across.

  21. Abortions aren’t illegal in most states. Overall, abortion is legal in the US. Yes, it is getting harder to obtain one, but it is still currently easier than having SRS or getting legal hormones.

  22. Not for those women who live in states with no abortion providers or where it’s illegal. I would say that’s a considerable difficulty. And a difficulty that’s entirely predicated on a person because they are biologically female. From my perspective, that’s significant to warrent attention and a critique of surgical body modification.

    Please note: I’m not just referring to SRS, but all surgical alterations that happen to women – and yes I’m specifically mentioning women (however you want to define that) because that was the purpose of the original critique, which I assume you read, no?

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