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Sicko


The Sicko trailer

I saw it yesterday. And it is good. You should see it too. Thoughts (including spoilers) below the fold.

I have mixed feelings about Michael Moore, but this film is excellent — his cleanest and best yet. It’s obviously liberal, but not blatantly partisan. And while he does the standard Michale Moore outlandishness, it isn’t over the top, and it drives his point home.

The strongest part of the film, I thought, was the emphasis on the profit-maximization scheme of insurance companies, and how they exist primarily to make money on screwing people who are insured. Of course, I’m a little biased, since I went to pick up my birth control the other day and it was $50 because I’ve apparently maxed out my pharmaceutical benefits for the year. I also have a bill for hundreds of dollars worth of physical therapy, which I was told my insurance would cover but — surprise! — it’s refusing to pay.

But that’s nothing compared to the people who have died of cancer, or the kids who died in the ER, because they weren’t approved for treatment.

The section about the history of our current system — and the Nixon clip in particular — was pretty powerful. The fact that our health care system was hatched explicitly to provide as little care as possible while driving up insurance company profits is disgusting; the fact that politicians and insurance companies flagrantly sacrifice all of our health, and that they do know how much harm they cause, is unconscionable. Moore did an excellent job of emphasizing that point.

He also properly eviscerated politicians for taking down universal health care plans, for being bought off by insurance companies, and for labeling any call for national health care “socialism.” Some of the footage — like the George W. Bush “three jobs is uniquely American” line in the trailer — is priceless. Some of the footage — like the Nixon stuff mentioned above — is terrifying.

I hope that this film will be a wake-up call, but I doubt it. Modern American cultural mythology is deeply wrapped up in both superiority and individualism — American children are raised with the idea that America is great precisely because America is #1. There’s an assumption that our doctors are the best in the world, that bright young medical students move here to learn, that when you have a serious medical issue you’re fighting to come to the U.S. for treatment because nowhere else compares. There’s an idea that it would be horrific to be injured in a foreign country — even in a developed one like Italy or France — because you just wouldn’t get the same standard of care that you’d get here. It turns out that none of this is actually true, but the film so thoroughly challenges our deeply-held assumptions that I wonder how receptive American audiences will be to it, and to the fact that we’re ranked very, very low in terms of health care compared to the rest of the developed world. American cultural pride is very much tied to our superiority; questioning that can not only feel like anti-Americanism (which Moore does address), but is so far outside of what we’re used to hearing that I worry too many audience members will simply refuse to believe it. I’m a decently-traveled coastal liberal, and I had a hard time swallowing some of it.

I also found myself having the occasional knee-jerk individualist reaction to the idea of universal health care. That individualism is also so deeply ingrained in Americans — the idea that I can do it on my own, that personal freedom and independence trumps all — that a system wherein we all contribute in order to help each other is a hard sell. That’s sad and it’s certainly selfish, but hey, libertarianism ain’t thriving for nothing, and last I checked Ayn Rand’s books are still selling decently well. Moore makes the point that plenty of services are already nationalized — the fire department, police, education, libraries — and most of us like that system. But I think that progressives really have to emphasize that point — that universal health care (or “socialized medicine,” as conservatives like to call it) isn’t a new concept, and it builds on a system that we already use in the U.S. for all kinds of things. It’s not a challenge to our highly individualist, I-can-do-it-myself mentality any more than libraries or police forces are.

Moore addressed many of the sticky points (why should I have to pay for someone else’s care? how is this system sustainable? what about the taxes?), but a bit superficially — the nuts and bolts of how universal health care is actually funded wasn’t detailed. We were just told that, look, doctors in England make good money and engineers in Paris have enough income after taxes to live in a nice apartment and take lovely vacations. That’s all fine and good, but the reality is that universal health care will cost us. There’s a decent economic argument to be made that we pay more under the current system than we would under a nationalized system, but Moore didn’t make that argument; he just emphasized that people in countries with national health care are doing just fine.

He also glossed over the issues that people living in places like Canada, England and France have with their nationalized systems. In an interview on (I think) Nightline, the reporter asks Moore about the discontents of citizens in these health care “paradises,” and Moore responds that of course people are dissatisfied with some aspects of their systems, that none of these countries is a “health care paradise,” and that national health care is not a cure-all — but that if you asked most of those people, they still wouldn’t trade in their national health care card for an American Blue Shield card. I thought that was an excellent point, and would have liked to have seen it in the film.

That said, Moore’s films serve an important purpose — they deliver a clear, accessible and valuable message to people all over the country, which is something that liberals generally suck at. Conservatism, by its nature, bows to authority, embraces hierarchy, and encourages its followers to fall in line. Liberalism challenges authority, second-guesses itself and doesn’t do the hierarchy thing quite so well, which makes it a lot more difficult to present a united, simple message. I don’t want to see American liberalism turn into a mindless game of follow-the-leader the way that conservatism has, but I do think there’s value in presenting liberal ideas with confidence and consistency, and without over-analyzing and qualifying everything (or “flip-flopping,” as some would call it). Moore does that impeccably. I have no doubt that fellow liberals — myself included — will pick at the edges of Sicko, and will challenge it. That’s good. But its simple, on-point message and its accessible format is a major boon for progressives.

And with that, I’ll say that the part I absolutely hated in the film was the Guantanamo section. For those who haven’t seen it, Moore takes three 9/11 rescue workers aboard a boat from Florida and attempts to sail it to Guantanamo, because detainees there have better health care then many of us do. He leads into the Guantanamo trip with clips from Republicans talking about how Guantanamo houses the most evil of the evil-doers, the highest-up al Qaeda leaders, and the most dangerous terrorists in the world; he follows those with clips from military leaders discussing the high level of care afforded to the detainees. His point is that terrorists get great health care, but 9/11 heroes don’t. Can you see the problem yet?

Obviously he makes a good point that it’s disgusting that people in the U.S. are denied health care. The point is illustrated more starkly when the people being denied are among the most (supposedly) revered by our government and our population in general. Unfortunately, though, the comparison to Guantanamo detainees seems to push the message that the detainees aren’t as entitled to basic health care, and Moore doesn’t question the premise that they are all actually terrorists. Now, diving into the Guantanamo argument would have derailed the film, so I can see why he avoided it, but using the treatment of detainees as a measuring stick struck me as incredibly problematic (the same way I found his portrayal of pre-invasion Iraq in Fahrenheit 9/11 to be incredibly problematic). We’ve taken these people as prisoners of war, detained them indefinitely, given them no access to public trial or representation, and are operating this military base outside of the reach of U.S. and international law. Yes, we do need to be giving the detainees basic health care. We also need to give U.S. prisoners basic health care. We also need to give U.S. citizens in general basic health care.

So that’s my one major quibble. Overall, though, I thought the film was excellent. I also thought it was very, very funny, and that the humor was more intelligent than in his other films. Anyone else seen it? Thoughts?


34 thoughts on Sicko

  1. i saw it here in seattle last friday.

    moore certainly makes a lot of good points, as well as raising awareness for those who are covered but denied services (such as the child who died after being transported to an er that wasn’t authorized to provide care). i was troubled by the nixon portion of the film as well, since i had not known about the direct government sanction of this horror known as “hmo.”

    even though this film is a lot more mild in it’s delivery, i feel that it is more of an opinion piece than his earlier works; certainly, it lacks journalistic integrity due to it’s one-sided and shallow portrayals. i remember f911 as being more hard-hitting, more fact-packed–of course, perhaps that is because it, along with bowling for columbine, co-opted the fury inherent in their topics. nobody seems to be geting worked up over the fact that thousands die and/or have poor quality of life because they cannot get medical care in our society. that awareness itself is worth the price of the movie ticket.

  2. American cultural pride is very much tied to our superiority

    Superior to whom? That seems extremely out of place given what’s being discussed. With the deplorable state of health care to the slow erosion of Women’s rights and the unprovoked invasion against iraq and everything in between, I can’t imagine how under the Bush administration any right thinking person would feel America is superior to just about anyone.

    — from a liberal country.

  3. I cringed at the Guantanamo scene, myself, but I can see why he did it. I felt like that scene was really targeted at pro-war conservatives.

    I loved this movie. I don’t have health insurance, though, so every time I hear someone whine about “wait times,” I just laugh and think about all the medical care I’ve gone without over the years. My first dental appointment was at 18, and I haven’t been back in eight years. I still have all my wisdom teeth at 26. I was born breech, and wound up with nerve damage in one arm because of it; nerve damage which could have been surgically treated when I was a baby, had my parents been able to afford it. (Far too late, now.) I’ve gone without physical therapy my whole life. I live with shooting, burning nerve pain daily. And my husband, he has untreated stomach ulcers, a mouth full of cavities and chipped teeth (he grinds) and difficulty sleeping. I only go to the ER for emergencies, and I have a stack of hospital bills for all the times we’ve had to go to the ER for antibiotics for my husband’s toothaches. We’ve been to a dentist, and it will cost $4,000 for all the work he needs (and that’s at a cheap dentist)… that’s more than we owe on our car. So we’ll just keep waiting…

    Oh, but God forbid any middle-class folks should have to wait a couple weeks for non-emergency surgery! That’s an unthinkable commie tragedy that MUST be avoided!!

    /I’m sorry, end rant.

  4. I was considering seeing this yesterday but wasn’t in the mood for a doccumentary… It is something I would consider seeing later though… thought provoking. 🙂

  5. I thought Michael Moore nailed it. Particularly valuable was his debunking for a mass audience the myth that national health care systems are always awful, as only socialized medicine or anything the government touches can be. As he says, for decades, we’ve been fed a steady diet of bullshit about the Canadian, French, British, and other health systems. His use of the Cuban health system for 911 heroes was brilliant. These guys have been totally used by politicians, especially those on the right, and Moore turns the table on them.

    Let’s face it Moore is a propagandist, and they don’t get any better. Propagandists choose evidence to fit their bias, but that doesn’t mean they are wrong. You can say that he unfairly picked a few cases of HMO denial of care. Fair enough. Let the HMOs open their books so we know exactly how much care they are denying and why. Moore’s charges don’t fly in the face of reason: a publicly traded HMO is in business to make money and more of it with each quarter. Should we be surprised if they make money by refusing to pay out benefits? As Moore says, would we allow the fire department to make money by choosing which fires they fight.

    This is going to be very interesting to watch. Back in the beginning of the Clinton Administration when health care was again a big issue, the Clinton plan looked like it would pass. It had been carefully tailored to bring in or neutralize big health care interests: large corporations buying health care, HMOs, insurance companies etc. Then late in the game the big players changed their minds and decided to block it, egged on by right wing ideologues. You may remember the expensive campaign. It worked, and the irony of it has been that the Clintons were blamed. The media was totally complicit in this. As one of Clinton’s aides said, it was the perfect political mugging.

    Jill, I was interested in your comment that despite all you were still having reservations about having your health care dictated by government, not self reliant enough, or something like that. I understand the concern but I think of it this way. if I am rich, I would have the same freedom under national health care as now to buy the best medical anywhere I want. That doesn’t change. What changes is that you are guaranteed basic health care coverage. That care might be good or bad, depending on how it is funded and run. The experience in other countries gives us reason to hope it will be good. Is it rationed? You bet. Is it rationed now? You bet, but for purposes of profit maximization. The one thing we can depend on is the rich get the best deal whatever we do.

  6. I thought that was an excellent point, and would have liked to have seen it in the film.

    He does make that point. The middle-aged Canadian woman and the French doctor say just that. Moore lets other people do the talking a lot, which I find to be appealing.

  7. As for the Gitmo part, well. I suppose that Moore was playing to two audiences—those who don’t get that Gitmo is bad will be wowed by the surface argument, those who do will pick up on his sarcastic approach. It’s debatable whether or not a documentarian should hold the smart part of his audience to such a high standard, though. It was discomforting.

  8. I am so sick of hearing how awful Canadian health care is. To hear these wingnut pundits tell it, you’d think Canadians were dropping dead in the streets from St. John’s to Vancouver.

  9. I haven’t seen it, but just wanted to point out (as a Canadian) that although our health care system has a lot of good points, it is FAR from perfect. I’ve seen my grandfather go blind because he couldn’t get an operation for his eyes on time, and I’m sure many others have such examples. I do agree that the American system is definitely lacking (and I prefer ours), but it is by no means a paradise.

  10. i saw it last week ,and i thought that was a good mix of points,humor,and info not usually delivered to the American public.although not perfect and like any Moore film dependent of you opinion of him,this time he left the facts have better exposure than his humorous “metaphors”.

    i live and was raised in Barcelona where we have universal health care but i lived in Miami from 2002 to last Christmas,and even being in the country way pass my holiday visa the health care issue was really what had me preoccupied .i, luckily never had to get medical attention but my roommates did, and seeing those hospital bills was kind of surreal,really,i didn’t know you could fit 4000$ dollars in stitches in one hand…turned out they were just 10 of them…

    to me the level of a society is measured in how it takes care of the disadvantaged,and although ,I’m sure,the majority of Americans dislike how the system is set-up and the usa has the resources to really not leave anybody behind,right now it’s a very unfair game and i think there should be a national debate on these issue.problem is, the roots of this run very deep and some are ingrained in American identity as Jill noted.
    the political system and campaign finance,the legal system,poverty,the concept of the American dream…are some of the players in how the health care system works and would need to be modified if a new,fairer system is to be created.and the push would certainly not come from above.if the roots of the country suffer it,the roots would have to lead to change it (I’m not incredibly naive,i understand the difficulty of that).
    now adressing the issue of other systems like the one in france,the uk,or the one i know ,spain.is not perfect,and we complaint about it all the time,we would like it to improve,but we certainly don’t think is broken.
    as a matter of fact my dad is actually in a hospital bed,he suffers from a chronic lung illness similar to the rescue workers of 9/11 and goes in and out of the hospital frequently ,the facilities are definitely not as good as the ones there ,and maybe the medical hardware is not as abundant as there. but we certainly don’t have to worry that he will die sooner because of a financial issue.he’s got oxygen systems at home and take medicines that we could never afford at market price ,and the cost is zero and would be almost insignificant if he was not retired.
    i hope this opinion does not come across as European snottiness because is not. while i lived there i learned the country is not as political leaders there and the media here like portray it.and is also now part of my identity i would really like the people taking more control of the course the country.

  11. if you asked most of those people, they still wouldn’t trade in their national health care card for an American Blue Shield card.

    Nope, no way in hell. (And we have no such thing as a national health care card.) As a young and healthy fertile woman with a child, I get much better coverage here. I had very good pre-natal care, and it was not a problem to give birth at the hospital I choose, even though it was in a different health care region. Sure, I got a bill for the week I stayed in the hospital, but it was about 500 SEK, 70$, 10% of my student loan for a month*, and it would have been the same if I had given birth vaginally instead of having an emergency c-section. I’m thinking about getting a copper IUD, which is totally free. (I don’t want to get on birth control pills, but if I wanted to, my brand would cost 40$ for a year, and the consultation would be free. Newer brands cost up to 100$ a year, but by then the prescription coverage will start to kick in.)

    I can get how much good well-baby, well-children and well-woman care I want for free, even above the usual screening programs, without even the usual 10$ copay I’d pay to see a nurse, and doctors are available if there’s something that needs a doctor’s checkup. Those screening programs have practically eliminated certain conditions (eclampsia and amblyopia, for example), and there are a whole lot of other ones that are diagnosed early.

    *And student loans and allowances cover living expenses (approximately) only; education is free.

  12. I’m looking forward to Sicko coming out in Britain, having read your review, Jill, and Pam and Amanda’s reviews at Pandagon.

    It is almost incomprehensible to me, coming from a country with universal health care, that anyone would consider it to be anything other than a major benefit. Although the NHS is always a vexed topic here in Britain (mainly because the media reports usually focus on the negative, so people tend to think the NHS is doing badly overall even when that their own experiences of using it are positive), the idea of not having it is unthinkable. Not having free basic healthcare available to all is like putting children up chimneys – a bad practice that’s thankfully long gone. Or, as Amanda put it, thinking universal free health care might be a bad idea seems to Brits like me like thinking having water piped into your house is a bad idea – completely off the wall.

    You don’t have to have one or the other – my company provides private healthcare through BUPA and I used it to top up the NHS services a couple of years ago when I was pretty ill and had to had a couple of operations. However, I saw the same doctors as I would on the NHS and would normally have waited about the same time – the only reason I went private was because there were a number of public holidays which had extended the waiting list a bit.

  13. I also have a bill for hundreds of dollars worth of physical therapy, which I was told my insurance would cover but — surprise! — it’s refusing to pay.

    Random piece of advice: call the insurance company and ask why they didn’t pay. Insurance companies sometimes refuse to pay the first time because many people will not protest a denied claim even when the insurance company is clearly in the wrong. If you do protest, ask, and generally annoy them enough, they will often pay in the end. Even if it is your “fault” (ie you made some teensy tiny mistake in filling out their forms), they often will pay in the face of a customer who is willing to stand on her rights.

  14. but hey, libertarianism ain’t thriving for nothing

    In what sense is libertarianism “thriving”? Libertarians are wildly overrepresented on the internet; in real life the Libertarian Party is slightly more marginal than the Greens, and actual libertarian ideology, while given plenty of lip service (i.e., talk about “boot-straps, “the era of big government is over,” etc.) is incredibly unpopular. Six years of GOP control of both the White House and Congress have demonstrated this: we had massive tax cuts for the rich, yes, but also massive, massive spending increases. Americans like big government; the only “libertarian” influence left on the country is that they’re not really willing to admit it.

  15. Even if it is your “fault” (ie you made some teensy tiny mistake in filling out their forms), they often will pay in the face of a customer who is willing to stand on her rights.

    Yes, but this process is incredibly time-consuming and expensive for everyone. It took me a year of back-and-forth to sort out a claim.

  16. Insurance companies sometimes refuse to pay the first time because many people will not protest a denied claim even when the insurance company is clearly in the wrong.

    That’s just wrong. I’ll keep it mind if I’m ever refused payment.

  17. I also have a bill for hundreds of dollars worth of physical therapy, which I was told my insurance would cover but — surprise! — it’s refusing to pay.

    Random piece of advice: call the insurance company and ask why they didn’t pay. Insurance companies sometimes refuse to pay the first time because many people will not protest a denied claim even when the insurance company is clearly in the wrong. If you do protest, ask, and generally annoy them enough, they will often pay in the end. Even if it is your “fault” (ie you made some teensy tiny mistake in filling out their forms), they often will pay in the face of a customer who is willing to stand on her rights.

    Yes, please, do call and fight it with them. Dianne is exactly right – I worked in billing for years and I can honestly say that probably half of insurance denials are in error, and of those, about half the time no one catches it and the patient pays the bill…so the insurance company wins. Sometimes they even mysteriously “lose” a few claims – which always struck me as funny when I’d mail in 10 claims for different patients in the same envelope and three would wind up being “not on file.” It’s a huge scam, but insurance companies rely on people being uneducated about insurance and being more likely to pay any bill they get rather than fight it. But if you’re willing to fight them and go through the red tape they will often wind up paying the bill.

    (Not always of course, but often enough that it’s worth the fight, IMHO. Call, send letters, send medical records, etc. Be annoying, they don’t like it. Good luck!)

  18. The thing that I found most intriguing about the movie was the subtle bit of questioning he managed to work in about our whole set of national values and priorities – mostly via his interviews with that former British MP with the “Old Labour and Proud of It!” mug on his mantlepiece (which I now want).

    Moore’s point in that was that our current economic setup makes sure we end up in debt if we wish to secure things for ourselves like health care and education – and that debt does a lot to make us a fearful, compliant population. We are more likely to focus our energies on getting and keeping jobs, and on never, ever rocking the boat – because if we do, our kids aren’t going to college and our spouses just might die prematurely. Hell, our kids might die prematurely if we get fired from that job and lose our insurance.

    It’s an interesting idea, and the way Moore phrases it in the movie makes it even more interesting. I’m hopeful that this part of the film ends up generating as much discussion as does his work on health care in particular.

  19. My company’s parent company is selling us off, which means we will almost certainly have another health insurance carrier. So I get to worry about whether my coverage will be good enough and whether I can keep my current doctor, whom I really like. That’s why I haven’t been able to bring myself to see “Sicko” yet.

    After a lifetime of good health, I landed in a hospital about six months ago for the first time since infancy. One interesting thing on the subsequent bills: There would be an initial charge for this or that, followed by an insurance company “adjustment” (i.e., what the insurance company was willing to pay). In many cases, this was half or one third the initial charge, and the hospital just went along with it.

    I can only conclude that 1) the initial charges are like the sticker price on a new car—you’re expected to haggle, and 2) insurance companies are in a better position to haggle than anyone else. Pretty screwy.

  20. Bitter Scribe –
    I work in medical billing. Every company, doctor, hospital, etc. has their “billed amount” for each service. For example, my company rents/sells durable medical equipment, and our billed amount for a one-month rental on an oxygen concentrator is $410. Then, once the claim is sent to the insurance company, they pay based on their allowed amount. This varies widely from company to company. For example, Medicare’s allowed amount for a one-month rental on an oxygen concentrator (for beneficiaries residing in KY) is $198.40. I believe Blue Cross Blue Sheild of KY is currently something like $158.

    If the supplier/physician/hospital accepts “assignment” (which they do if they file your claims and the insurance pays them directly, instead of you paying them, and the insurance paying you), they legally cannot charge you more than the allowed amount, between the insurance payment and the patient co-insurance charges. You should receive an “explanation of benefits” from your insurance company showing the billed amount, the allowed amount, and the “patient responsibility” amount.

    If you don’t understand your explanation of benefits, or don’t agree with it, I second whoever said that you should fight it. 9 times out of 10, when a patient calls and questions their bill, and then calls the insurance company, the insurance comes back and reprocesses the claim.

  21. Bitter Scribe –
    I work in medical billing. Every company, doctor, hospital, etc. has their “billed amount” for each service. For example, my company rents/sells durable medical equipment, and our billed amount for a one-month rental on an oxygen concentrator is $410. Then, once the claim is sent to the insurance company, they pay based on their allowed amount. This varies widely from company to company. For example, Medicare’s allowed amount for a one-month rental on an oxygen concentrator (for beneficiaries residing in KY) is $198.40. I believe Blue Cross Blue Sheild of KY is currently something like $158.

    If the supplier/physician/hospital accepts “assignment” (which they do if they file your claims and the insurance pays them directly, instead of you paying them, and the insurance paying you), they legally cannot charge you more than the allowed amount, between the insurance payment and the patient co-insurance charges. You should receive an “explanation of benefits” from your insurance company showing the billed amount, the allowed amount, and the “patient responsibility” amount.

    If you don’t understand your explanation of benefits, or don’t agree with it, I second whoever said that you should fight it. 9 times out of 10, when a patient calls and questions their bill, and then calls the insurance company, the insurance comes back and reprocesses the claim.

  22. Amanda, you’re spot on with that explanation.

    The real kicker is that if you’re uninsured, you are expected to pay the full billed amount from the hospital or provider. So in the case of Amanda’s company, an uninsured patient would have to pay $410 for the oxygen concentrator, while a patient with Blue Cross would only have to pay $158, even if Blue Cross applied the full amount to their deductible.

    Awesome, isn’t it? Like it isn’t hard enough to be uninsured as it is. And yes, it’s totally legal. I’m not sure how, but it is.

    So, the moral of the story is, if you’re uninsured, and you’re aware of this “allowed amount” issue, you can (sometimes) negotiate a reduced fee with the hospital/provider on the grounds that if you had insurance, they’d actually be getting substantially less $$ from you anyway, so they could discount your bill significantly and still make a killing. It does work quite often, so it’s worth a try as well.

  23. I am immensely grateful that when I fell from a stepladder and tore my ACL (requiring surgery), I did it while I was at work, so my state’s Worker’s Compensation insurance covered everything, from the first urgent care visit to giving me a small income during my 3-week recovery from surgery. They were pretty damn stingy about the physical therapy, though, and made me wait two weeks post-surgery instead of getting me started immediately the way they were supposed to.

    If I’d done the exact same thing at home on my own time, I’d probably be bankrupt between the doctor’s bills, the surgery, and the time off work.

  24. Amanda: Ah. Thanks for the explanation. It’s interesting that the insurance company gets a big price break, while people without insurance, who in almost all cases are less able to pay, get socked with the full “billed amount.”

    I personally can’t complain about how I was treated that time. But the overall system in this country is still a disgrace.

  25. I just saw it this afternoon, and I agree that it was excellent, but also depressing as hell. Some bits were entertaining, but overall, it made me want to move to France (which I kind of wanted to do anyway after spending a weekend in Paris on our last vacation). And the movie got a standing ovation from a group of about 10 little old ladies in the matinee this afternoon, which was pretty cool.

    I especially enjoyed the Cuba part. Not so much because of the way he showed their health care was so much better than ours (and it seems to be so), but because it was just so over the top. The hugging on the cute, young Cuban doctor, the awareness on their part that it was a good piece of propaganda film and they were really going to make us look bad. It was highly entertaining, and effective, I thought.

    And to add my NHS story, I was visiting family in the UK in May and needed to take my two year old son to see a doctor for an infection (he slammed his finger in a door and it got to be pretty disgusting). We were treated wonderfully, everyone was incredibly polite, the doctor and nurses were very patient with him, he had an x-ray and general medical care. And the whole thing was free. I even asked where we pay, because I had travel insurance that would have covered it (I would be reimbursed, supposedly), I explained that I’m not a UK citizen, I don’t live there, etc. They all looked at me like I had suddenly grown an extra head. It was almost exactly the reaction MM got in the movie.

  26. In what sense is libertarianism “thriving”? Libertarians are wildly overrepresented on the internet; in real life the Libertarian Party is slightly more marginal than the Greens, and actual libertarian ideology, while given plenty of lip service (i.e., talk about “boot-straps, “the era of big government is over,” etc.) is incredibly unpopular.

    Unfortunately, you are correct. This is the reason Ron Paul won’t win the GOP nomination.

    Americans like big government..

    That includes both the GOP and the Democrat parties. As Jill has mentioned above, we already have a “socialized” police force and education. People need to vote for the person they want to win, not the party.

    As for Sicko, I’m am a bit skeptical toward Michael Moore or liberal orthodoxy, but I might watch it later.

  27. Moore responds that of course people are dissatisfied with some aspects of their systems,….— but that if you asked most of those people, they still wouldn’t trade in their national health care card for an American Blue Shield card. I thought that was an excellent point, and would have liked to have seen it in the film.

    I don’t know how you missed that, the people in the film stated that over and over again, that although their system wasn’t perfect and they had their complaints, they saw them as minor compared to the US system and wouldn’t trade one for another in a minute.

    I’ll say that the part I absolutely hated in the film was the Guantanamo section.

    I thought it was an excellent part of the movie and juxtaposed at a perfect position, in fact that is the beauty of this film. Moore keeps perfecting his craft, placement and timing of sound, visual and language to hone a message.

    The three little boats bobbing in the vast sea, loaded with hapless, defenseless people, in front of a barricaded fortress, with no human in sight, was perfect metaphor. Anyone who has lived any length of time on the bottom of the socio-economic ladder, or worse, found themselves there unwittingly, knows that feeling.

    Moore’s pathetic and useless pleading by voice and then by bullhorn to the faceless, mute and unlistening fortress characterized how I have felt as a low income American for years. No matter what I say, it is like talking in a wind tunnel; no one whether the public or the government, wants to acknowledge my existence or my experience. Instead, our protestations or pleas are met with the dull, monotonous shout-down of slurs, stereotypes and blaming — the alarm bells sound that we’ve stepped over the line and its time to shut up.

    That is the point that Moore wishes to drive home, that with the health care industry, when facing them, most people feel as if facing a nameless, faceless, all powerful machine that has no concern for you, me or anyone anywhere. And it is.

    Unfortunately, only those who’ve seen the beast (destitution and alienation from being on the losing end to capitalism) know it for what it is. Instead of telling you directly, Moore attempts over and over again to drive the point home through images and sound.

    There is a larger meta-message in the film and that I think is what scares the wingers so much about Moore. He continuously alludes to our cultural fear of questioning authority and facing the government. I think liberals have this as well, as much as they’d like to think not. As slaves, our existence depends on our compliance, however forced it may be.

    The health care crisis is one area where the right-wing, once they finally got the fancy dinner party they wanted for years, have in their gluttonous feast at the table, gorged themselves too much. Like the alligator who reveals and possibly frees the still wriggling catch by smiling a little too wide with greedy pleasure.

    Unless the wingers do some back pedaling, they are going to lose the whole ball of wax. The right has been gesticulating about health care reform for years in order to bait the people away from the door. I won’t be surprised if they do it again this coming election season and succeed, once again.

    But things will get worse and more Micheal Moores will come to the forefront to hone the message. When its only MIcheal Moore, the right really only needs to go out to the quarters, give out a little of the last harvest to fill empty bellies, let the slaves dance a turn and all’s well for a little longer.

  28. My father suffered a serious, life-threatening stroke about a year ago. He needed an ambulance ride and about 4 hours of cardio surgery to clear up a clot in his brain. He lay in the critical care unit for 4 weeks, and during this time he had multiple MRI/CT scans to check his brain activity. (He has since recovered amazingly). However, for months after his stroke my mom kept getting higher and higher bills for all the procedures the hospital had to do to save his life. Their excuse for not covering? These procedures were not authorized, or they were conducted by a non-blue cross physician. She just refused to pay and kept sending notarized, insured letters, signed by the ER staff, to the insurance company, saying that these procedures were needed to save his life. Finally, they capitulated completely, and we ended up paying only about 3 thousand dollars total for a hospital stay of over 2 months, and a month of rehab.

  29. I saw it, and broke down and cried several times. I don’t have health insurance, and the horror stories felt like the monsters under the bed that are coming to get me. As a resident of Massachusetts faced with a choice of a tax penalty or a subsidized premium I still can’t pay, I appreciated his point that MA’s much-touted Universal Health Care is merely an enshrinement of the private healthcare sector.

    I took the Guantanimo Bay segment to mean “these are the people our government says it hates, the people it says are inhuman and not worthy of rights. Our government says it cares for and about us, that its every thought is only about our safety. How, then, do its “enemies” have the health care its “beloved children” can only dream of?” Perhaps this was a naive understanding of it.

    My real real rhetorical unhappiness with the movie is how he sets Hillary up for a classic madonna/whore takedown. He starts off portraying her as a sharp, sexaaaay, take-no-prisoners woman of strength and vision who’s going to save all our lives and health, and winds up portraying her as a corporate whore. I have no problem with bashing her for that about-face, but I have a problem with the genderedness of the bashing.

  30. I’ve written a number of posts on universal health care and the US health care system (they can be found here), and I can only say that the more I look at the US system, the more I cannot understand why anyone would not be for changing to an universal health care system.

    The US system is more expensive, likely mostly due to administration overhead, and provides worse coverage than so-called socialized systems.

    For the very few who can afford it, US health care is the best you can get, but for the general population, that’s hardly the case. And most countries with universal health care also have health care insurance for those who wants it (in Denmark such an insurance costs $300, but then it only covers stuff that the normal health care system doesn’t cover properly, e.g. operations with too long waiting lists).

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