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Does This Mean He Has to Excommunicate Himself?

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This is what pro-life looks like. (via).

Launching his first papal pilgrimage to the Americas, Pope Benedict XVI on Wednesday issued a strong condemnation of abortion and immediately touched off a firestorm by suggesting Catholic politicians who legalize it have excommunicated themselves from the church.

The flap began hours before his plane even touched down here, when he spoke to reporters in flight from Rome during his first full-fledged news conference as pontiff.

Asked whether he agreed with excommunication of Mexican legislators who recently legalized abortion in Mexico City, Benedict replied, “Yes.”

“The excommunication was not something arbitrary,” he continued. “It is part of the Code [of Canon Law]. It is based simply on the principle that the killing of an innocent human child is incompatible with being in Communion with the body of Christ. Thus, [the bishops] didn’t do anything new or anything surprising, or arbitrary.”

So who gets excommunicated for the 80,000 women who die from illegal abortion every year — and the 80,000-plus fetuses that die with them? Anti-abortion laws kill women, and don’t prevent the termination of pregnancies. Latin America has a pretty high abortion rate despite it being illegal almost everywhere, and a pretty high death rate from abortion-related complications. Now, I know these are women we’re talking about and not the “innocent human child,” and I get it that born women are way less important than the innocent fertilized egg (or zygote or embryo or fetus), but don’t their lives count for something? Doesn’t killing them lose you some heaven points, too? Or is it only fetuses who will get you in trouble? How about all the people who have HIV because the Catholic Church discourages condom use?

The Catholic Church has enabled the deaths of a whole lot of people. Pope Benedict continues to promote policies that kill women — you can agree with his policies all you want, but there’s not really any debate over the fact that when abortion is illegal, women die much more often from the procedure. Are you only excommunicated if you kill a “person” who was never actually born? Are we permitted to grieve for someone like Geri Santoro (disturbing image; via)? How about for the two children she left behind?

80,000 women a year. 219 women every day. 1 woman every 6 minutes.

Touching on another potential friction point, he also responded to questions about liberation theology, a leftist interpretation of Christianity that emphasizes working for the poor and that was also highly politicized. As Ratzinger, he led the crackdown against its proponents, most of whom were in Latin America. Yet the doctrine remains popular in parts of Brazil, especially at the grass-roots level.

Benedict said followers of liberation theology were “mistaken” but that condemning them does not mean a lessening in the church’s commitment to social justice.

The pope acknowledged that his message was often falling on deaf ears, here and elsewhere.

“It is not just a problem in Brazil — there are many people who don’t want to listen,” he said. “We have to become more dynamic.”

Damn those liberal theologians and their silly theories about helping the poor and the downtrodden! We all know that The Good News was actually about oppressing women, not about “peace” or “loving your fellow man” or any of that other hippie crap.

Conservatives who have been in ascendancy in the church leadership for more than a decade, and who have Benedict’s ear, want to see more pious Catholics who attend Mass every Sunday and inject the word of God into their daily lives. Liberals, who still have a large following in Latin America, want the church to give more emphasis to social justice.

In other words, liberals want to use one of the most powerful institutions in the world to help people. Conservatives want to use it to simply demand that people stay in line, worship authority and the hierarchy, and don’t think for themselves.

Unfortunately, God did give us free will, so we’ll see how well this one turns out.

The Catholic Church is and has always been a political institution. But they’re taking it to an extreme here. The fact is that individual Catholics and individual religious leaders do wonderful work all over the world. There are Catholic leaders across Latin America who have make great strides in helping women to access health care, and in poverty relief and health issues in general. This is not a condemnation of everyone in the Church — it’s a condemnation of the Church’s leadership, and the policies that leadership promotes.

Although I look forward to the day when the Church excommunicates every politician who supports the death penalty, and every prosecutor who works in a state where the death penalty is an option. I won’t hold my breath.


25 thoughts on Does This Mean He Has to Excommunicate Himself?

  1. Conservatives who have been in ascendancy in the church leadership for more than a decade, and who have Benedict’s ear, want to see more pious Catholics who attend Mass every Sunday and inject the word of God into their daily lives. Liberals, who still have a large following in Latin America, want the church to give more emphasis to social justice.

    Yup- Know the word of God=Good, Follow the word of God=Bad.

  2. There are a lot of good people in the Catholic Church, doing a lot of good things. That doesn’t alter the fact that the Church, in its official, public face, is a reactionary institution. Always has been, probably always will be, and anyone who expects anything different is just kidding himself or herself.

  3. Conservatives want to use it to simply demand that people stay in line, worship authority and the hierarchy, and don’t think for themselves.

    You forgot tithe.

  4. I’m looking forward to the day that organized religion is excommunicated from political races (it was also done in a little more behind-the-scenes in the 2004 Presidential election) or are taxed accordingly.

    We’ll start with the more overt ones, first, because (anticipating the eventual argument) black Methodist churches in the South, which I assume are morally opposed to abortion, have not issued any threats to excommunicate anyone. I’m still not thrilled with their use as temporary campaign headquarters for certain rallies, though.

    We’ll have to wait for a new IRS leadership that takes tax exemptions seriously first.

  5. Two things–I haven’t really studied it in depth, but I think liberation theology might be controversial in part b/c it encouraged priests to join in the physical fight against oppression–we’re talking guerilla priests here. So I can see why that might be controversial. Second, and this is for the pope–I want to see him excommunicate all those pro-death penalty politicians too. That would make me feel better about excommunicating pro-choice politicians. At least it would be consistent, and maybe it would shut up some of those Catholics on the right who would criticize me as a dissenter (which I am) for being pro-choice, and yet think they are oh-so-holy themselves even though the pope and church law is clearly anti-death penalty.

  6. Oops, my comment is redundant. So I agree with you he should ex-communicate the pro-death penalty types too.

  7. Liberals, who still have a large following in Latin America, want the church to give more emphasis to social justice.

    Yes well, I guess those death squads we set up in the 70’s and 80’s to cut down all those liberal catholics in latin america didn’t do it hard enough.

    What a shame it is that some aspects of the latin american churchs survived the cullings and purges.

    Pro-Life good, Death Squads better!

  8. Yes well, I guess those death squads we set up in the 70’s and 80’s to cut down all those liberal catholics in latin america didn’t do it hard enough.

    Have you been talking to John “Those nuns deserved to die!” Negroponte again? ;-p

    There was a powerful strain of liberalism in the Catholic church in the 70s and 80s, but it got pushed down hard. The biggest loss here in the States was Cardinal Bernardin of Chicago’s death — he was the leader of the most liberal faction and it all pretty much fell apart when he was gone.

  9. I actually wouldn’t care if the Catholic Church excommunicated doctors who performed abortions. That would at least seem fairly consistent with the perspective that someone who actively chooses to behave in a manner contrary to the church position should not claim membership in the church.

    But the idea that a politician, who may be Catholic and personally pro-life but believes in, say, a separation of Church and State, such that Catholic teachings of ensoulment at conception should not be imposed on a pluralistic culture, should be excommunicated? By that argument, of course, yes — anyone who voted to use force in Iraq, anyone who supports birth control in any way, anyone who believes that the state should not prolong the lives of the terminally ill against their wishes — all of those people should also be excommunicated. And, in fact, the Catholic Church would be effectively taking the position that Canon Law should be the Catholic equivalent of Sharia Law, only imposed in secular countries as well as ones with any sort of official Catholic relationship. Without being consistent on that point, Ratzy’s pontificating is just politicking in a dress.

    Ratzy’s gotta be extreme on a hot-button topic like this, though, because he has to deflect from the decades of terror perpetrated on children by the priests he and his ilk have coddled and promoted through the ranks. He has to still act like he’s a moral authority, even though he has none, and the best way to do it is to slut-shame in Latin America.

    I don’t think he realizes how deeply the priest molestation scandals have wounded the church, or how badly American Catholics think of the Vatican for promoting Cardinal Law and bringing him to Rome. My parents, who had five children but only wanted three, who only afted kid #5 used birth control, who got into huge fights about birth control after my mom’s health precluded it and my dad refused to use it on the basis that he was going to hell (yet another amp-ups in my feminist development/parental disillusionment process), who have been ardently pro-life and socially conservative their entire lives, and who sent all five of their children to eight years of Catholic school each and always tithed faithfully — they have stopped giving money to the Catholic Church now, in their late 60s, because they are so disgusted with the molestation scandals and the degree to which the church has tried to sweep everything under the rug. You could have knocked me over with a feather when my mom told me that. It’s not as far as I’d like them to come on a lot of issues, but for them it’s a huge, huge step. And it’s one that Ratzy will ignore at his peril.

  10. Being anti-abortion and pro-execution is an internally consistent position…if you believe that human beings don’t actually own their own bodies, and thereby some Authority somewhere has the right to make life-or-death decisions for you…which is in turn wholly consonant with the Christian conception of the authoritarian hierarchy anyway.

  11. There was a powerful strain of liberalism in the Catholic church in the 70s and 80s, but it got pushed down hard. The biggest loss here in the States was Cardinal Bernardin of Chicago’s death — he was the leader of the most liberal faction and it all pretty much fell apart when he was gone.

    That’s the thing that saddens me about the Catholic Church and Christianity in general. Jesus talked a lot about helping the poor and needy. Now, it seems to me that the loudest set of Christians are idolators, worshiping symbols over substance. The very meaning of what it is to be Christian has changed (in America, and, apparently, Rome) to the point that it’s hard to imagine them ever going back.

  12. He has some nerve – excommunication! In this day and age? It just shows how out of step with the times and out of step with our humanity religion makes people…He is not a woman, so how can he understand a woman’s decisions about her body? It’s as if he is doing his best to keep us under the thumb of the present administration’s ideals and values. All the rich guys think alike, don’t they,and they truly stick together. Anything to keep women under their thumbs, barefoot and pregnant and most of all, stupid! He needs to be this outspoken about the priests who molested all of those children-has it stopped?

  13. Being anti-abortion and pro-execution is an internally consistent position…if you believe that human beings don’t actually own their own bodies, and thereby some Authority somewhere has the right to make life-or-death decisions for you…which is in turn wholly consonant with the Christian conception of the authoritarian hierarchy anyway.

    It’s internally consistent for Protestants, but it’s actually against Catholic doctrine as articulated by the Vatican. So anti-abortion, pro-death penalty Catholics are just as much “cafeteria Catholics” as the pro-choice, anti-death penalty ones.

    They hate it when I tell them that. 😉

  14. You forgot tithe.

    Yep, those custom-made Prada shoes Ratzy favors aren’t cheap.

  15. I don’t think he realizes how deeply the priest molestation scandals have wounded the church, or how badly American Catholics think of the Vatican for promoting Cardinal Law and bringing him to Rome.

    That is so true, and it’s not just American Catholics. My incredibly old-fasioned, barely-speaks-English, missing-the-mother-country Italian Grandfather was devastated when Ratzinger became the pope, mainly due to the incredible contempt for and hostility to the poor that he displayed.

  16. Being anti-abortion and pro-execution is an internally consistent position…if you believe that human beings don’t actually own their own bodies, and thereby some Authority somewhere has the right to make life-or-death decisions for you…which is in turn wholly consonant with the Christian conception of the authoritarian hierarchy anyway.

    How does that work? If you believe human beings don’t actually own their bodies and some Authority — who I presume would be God — has the right to make the decision for you, how can it be ok for a judge or jury to decide that you die?

    The “conception until natural death” argument would seem to rule out the death penalty, no?

  17. I’m graduating from Divinity School tomorrow (yay) and the day after Benedict was elected pope every Catholic student at my very libearl Divinity School was red-eyed.

    In terms of Liberation Theologians, Benedict can indict away, but that’s what’s being writing and read and from the 1960’s on, its status quo theology today (whether Catholic, Black Liberation, or Feminist Liberation). He (as part of the department he served on that was formerly known as the Inquisition) tried to squash it and excommunicate it out of existence, but that’s what theology students are nourished by in this current generation and hopefully beyond, so one more generation, hopefully, and the Catholic Church will have female priests and a more out and proud attitutde toward Liberation Theology.

    Abortion and Condoms: when abortion was illegal in the US, priests and clergy persons were the ones who maintained an underground network for safe, illegal abortions in the Midwest and South. They knew that the real pro-life position was that which supported a woman and kept her (and often her already existing children) safe. His stance is little more than the fun fulled fetish of controlling women, period. Although JPII was also an ass in terms of his abortion/birth-control stance, he at least promoted women in terms of their rolls and resources in the church (not priesthood, but in female orders and as lay-leaders) and he maintained friendships with women and even sought their advice. Benedict , not so much. In terms of condoms, the fact that the Church utterly refuses to recognize that marriage is not a refuge from disease (especially where gender relationships are so slanted to favor men) and therefore their refusal to recognize this as a social justice and health issue once again underscores how all male institutions amount to woman-hate and to dismissing the lives of women as unworthy of protection.

    Peace

  18. The last time they pulled this with a Catholic politician, I thought it came out were misinterpreting that particular law and stretching it for their own purposes. That you can’t really excommunicate yourself. Didn’t they end up backpedaling on that? Shoot, the pews would be pretty empty if it were true.

    In any case, I too have noticed a backlash from the older Catholics about the pedophile scandal, mostly in terms of cash and attendance.

  19. From the AP, 5/10/07, via the San Diego Tribune.
    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20070510-0915-pope-brazil.html

    Benedict’s comments came just hours after one of the president’s Cabinet members said a “macho” culture in Brazil has prevented a legitimate debate about legalizing abortion in Latin America’s largest nation.

    “If men got pregnant, I’m sure this question would have been resolved a long time ago,” said Health Minister Jose Gomes Temporao, who is pushing for a referendum on the issue.

    Ya think?

  20. People like Ratzinger fetishize female suffering in particular. To them there is something beautiful about a woman who, for example, dies in childbirth or starves to death or dies from a horrible disease inflicted, say, by her cheating husband. And it’s very important that the woman remain passive in all this.

    Taking an active role is disgusting to them.

    And while I don’t wish to slander every celibate priest out there – I think celibacy has a lot to do with it, particularly in the case of someone as openly contemptuous as Ratzinger. How do you deal with celibacy? Many buckle down and teach themselves (using a variety of texts available) that there is something horrible and wrong about sexuality. If you’re a straight man – this means rejecting a whole lot more than sex with women, it means rejecting women in certain roles – active roles in particular, because active women are threatening. They may invade one’s space, they may tempt, etc.

  21. This is wonderful news. Will the Catholic church ever get around to excommunicating everyone so my catholic friends can finally be free? We’ve only been waiting for the last few centuries, c’mon Ratzie, give it to ’em!

    I couldn’t think of anything better for the church or the human race.

    you can agree with his policies all you want,

    Sure, you can agree with that, believe that Martians have invaded the earth, that the Holocaust never happened and that I’m just a talking shit barnacle on George Bush’s ass, that doesn’t make any of it true.

  22. By the way, the man in the photo has a striking resemblance to a homeless man here in town that, by the way, is very mentally ill and practices self hatred using his catholic tools in such a way as t’would make a medieval monk proud.

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