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Bob Herbert on Imus

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People in positions of great power are the ones who define those who are relatively lacking in power. So when Don Imus, a very powerful radio personality, dropped his disgusting verbal bomb on the members of the Rutgers women’s basketball team, he sent a powerful message across the airwaves: that the young women on the team (the black ones, at least) were crude, ugly and genetically inferior, and that all of the women were whores.

That message, which Mr. Imus insisted was meant to be funny, reinforced views already widely held in our society, which is why I could get the following e-mail from a reader:

“Who woulda thunk that the Imus idiocy and the Duke Debacle would hit home on the same day. Both stories bring to mind what my father told me 60 years ago: Stay away from colored women.”

The attention surrounding Mr. Imus’s very public self-immolation is an opportunity for Americans to acknowledge that we have a problem. Not only is the society still permeated by racism and sexism and the stereotypes they spawn, but we have allowed a debased and profoundly immature culture to emerge in which the coarsest, most socially destructive images and language are an integral part of the everyday discourse.

Gangsta rappers trapped in the throes of the Stockholm syndrome have spent years encouraging black people to see themselves as niggers and all women as whores. Michael Savage, one of the most prominent figures in talk radio, with an audience substantially larger than Don Imus’s, has called Diane Sawyer a “lying whore” and Barbara Walters a “double-talking slut,” according to Media Matters for America, a group that monitors some of the excesses of talk radio.

The culture that has given us such wonders as jazz, blues, baseball, Hollywood, the Broadway musical theater, rock ’n’ roll, and on and on, is now specializing in too many instances in language and entertainment fit only for the gutter or a sewer.

Something has gone completely haywire when young American boys and girls are listening to songs like “Can You Control Yo Hoe” and “Break a Bitch Til I Die,” by Snoop Dogg, formerly Snoop Doggy Dogg, formerly Cordozar Calvin Broadus.

“It’s gotten pretty savage out there,” said Tom Brokaw of NBC News during an on-air discussion of the Imus situation.

Mr. Brokaw, who believes that firing Mr. Imus was the right thing to do, said: “There’s been an absence of civility in public discourse for some time now. The use of language across the racial spectrum, and across the political spectrum, and across the cultural spectrum, has been, in any way you want to describe it, debased to a certain degree.

“The words that you hear used commonly on the street, or on the air, or on radio, or in rap lyrics, are words that in the worst days of segregation in this country, in the worst segregated parts of this country, you would not have heard on radio. Now you hear them commonly.”

The language, of course, is just a symptom. Mr. Brokaw went on to mention, in a tone that sounded a bit sad and somewhat resigned, that Americans had steadfastly refused to face the race issue honestly and head-on. “I had hoped,” he said, “I guess somewhat naïvely 20 years ago, that we would be in a far different place than we are now.”

We should also be in a better place in the way that women are viewed and portrayed in the culture. And one of the first steps in a conversation about how to honestly address these issues should be a discussion of how to get more more blacks, other ethnic minorities and women into positions of real authority in the major news and entertainment outlets.

Another part of the conversation should deal with why the bullying and degradation of other human beings is such a staple of popular entertainment in this country. One of the Rutgers players expressed astonishment Thursday night when Mr. Imus told her that making fun of people was how he’d made his living for many years.

The people who fought back against the racism and misogyny of the “Imus in the Morning” program need to keep the momentum going. Keep the pressure on the companies that sponsor this garbage. Keep the matter before the media.

Imus, Snoop Dogg, Michael Savage — it doesn’t matter where the bigotry is coming from. What’s important is to find the integrity and the strength to see it for what it is — a loathsome, soul-destroying disease — and then to respond accordingly.


13 thoughts on Bob Herbert on Imus

  1. Gangsta rappers trapped in the throes of the Stockholm syndrome have spent years encouraging black people to see themselves as niggers

    That’s a very thought-provoking way of putting it — “Stockholm syndrome”. I wonder if Jewish neo-conservatives who encourage Jewish people to see themselves as having, or that we should have, dual loyalties, as the anti-Semites accuse us of having, also suffer from a form of Stockholm sydrome. In which case, it’s ironic, nu? Considering the origins of the phrase and the puffery in which neo-con types like to engage vis-a-vis “the war on terror”.

  2. I don’t really know if I agree with his assessment that Gangsta rappers are caught in the throes of a Stockholm Syndrome. I think many gangsta rappers are happy that they aren’t being shot with water hoses, attacked with dogs, or being told they can’t eat at a place because they are a certain skin tone.

    I understand what he is trying to say in the sense that there is no attempt being made by many to escape the grasp of misogyny and hypermasculinity that has overrun rap music. While I will not disagree with Herbert’s suggestion, I will posit this idea in contradistinction. Are we placing the blame in the wrong place? Are the gangsta rappers really not to blame here? Is society more to blame as, in some ways, we have failed these rappers by not giving them the resources they need to succeed on their own? These rappers cannot be blamed for the coarseness of their language because they don’t know any better; that is essentially what I am saying.

    I don’t agree with this perspective. This is something that I am suggesting to stir the pot in a way.

  3. I’ve seen people at other places (I think Pandagon was one) who argued that one of the reasons “gangsta rap” is so popular is that white suburban kids buy it in droves and are driving the market for it. So blaming African-Americans for the popularity of violent, misogynistic rap is a little short-sighted.

  4. It seems that Imus’s comments are in part being blamed on black men. Shouldn’t he be totally held at blame for his own words?

  5. Agreed: bigoted rap glamorizes the views widely held in society (“society” meaning white males, who corporate America and pop culture revolves around). Just as we must look past Imus as an individual and more as a representation we must do the same with rappers. The only problem seems to be that society’s love affair with violent anti-female hate is cleverly disguised behind pseudo-concern of racism as blacks are used to promote the status-quo (The GOP employed the same tactic by dismissing criticism of Clarence Thomas’ nomination as inherently racist). However, rap is the global pop culture juggernaut and to deny it is an outrageous lie. Russell Simmon’s excuse as stated by Ace (devil’s advocate), “Don’t blame these ignorant bigots. Help them.” Please! Isn’t millions of dollars enough compensation? Why don’t the industry CEOs like Simmons use their power to change the message of rap to reflect a message of empowerent: no excuses, no scapegoating of women and girls? Because it wouldn’t sell. It’s obvious Simmons is just trying to save his cash cow. Honestly, would anyone excuse rap if it was violent anti-Semitic? Hell no.

  6. It seems that Imus’s comments are in part being blamed on black men. Shouldn’t he be totally held at blame for his own words?

    Imus has spent a lot of time trying to shift the blame from himself to “the culture” so, yes, he needs to be held responsible for his own words, if for no other reason the ridiculousness of a 70-year-old man trying to claim that gangsta rap is enormously influential on him.

    We’re now having a parallel discussion pointing out that people have been trying for YEARS to talk about the rampant misogyny in a lot of rap music, and speculating as to the reasons why.

    (Not that there isn’t enormous misogyny in rock music as well, but it doesn’t seem to be an absolute requirement for a hit record like it sometimes seems on the rap side.)

  7. I wonder how many people criticizing “gangsta rap” actually listen to it. Probably none, as no one who does actually calls it “gangsta rap,” a term that was invented by the white media to criticize and trivialize the subject matter.

  8. I wonder if Jewish neo-conservatives who encourage Jewish people to see themselves as having, or that we should have, dual loyalties, as the anti-Semites accuse us of having, also suffer from a form of Stockholm sydrome.

    Oh lovely. It took only one post for somebody to use a totally unrelated subject as a jumping-off point for a debate on Israel. Kindly STFU.

    It’s certainly true that hip-hop culture is not “responsible” for racism or racist comments. “But they talk about hos!” is an excuse racist whites use; it’s not as though nonracist whites see a Snoop Dog video and say “Gee, that N-word thing isn’t such a bad idea after all.”

  9. Joe,
    I grew up on rap as an inner-city fan but now I listen to it to have some credibility in criticizing it (I don’t call it “gangsta” and as a woman of color you can spare me the “white media” excuse, which you fail to cite as predominately male). The universal theme is: women and girls are dehumanized and demonized, justifying violence against them as scapegoats for male emotional distress. I bought three damn Eminem CDs back in 2000 to try and tell myself that the Establishment was right and he’s not expressing the views of a callous and sadistic bigot, but his words and in the context in which he used them spoke clearly (I even bought his 2002 album to see if he’s changed his ways, but the best he did was not simulate a rape or killing of a female.). Listen, forget who’s saying what (remember, even black women are paraded out to spew vicious misogyny) and focus on the message that, via massive sales, society legitimizes. That is culture: the public sanctioning of attitudes and behavior, and massive rap sales scream that our culture is openly hateful of women and girls.

  10. A good essay on one woman’s troubled relationship with hip-hop and its politics.

    I absolutely agree that we can’t accept “well rappers say it!” as an easy excuse to deflect anger over the use of slurs.

    That said, mythago, hip-hop artists are responsible for misogynist and racist sentiments when they express them. The fact that they’re reflecting the misogyny and racism omnipresent in our culture doesn’t excuse them any more than it excuses any others people who express those same sentiments.

    As others have said, I think we can both acknowledge that Don Imus is fully responsible for whatever comes out of his mouth and find hateful song lyrics disturbing at the same time.

  11. “gangsta rap” is so popular is that white suburban kids buy it in droves and are driving the market for it. – Mnemosyne

    Pace mythago on the appropriateness of my admittedly OT remarks, but this also goes to my emerging thesis analogizing neo-cons with so-called gangsta-rap — the glibertarians and fellow-travelors-of-the-religious-right-exurbanites that those kids grow up to be are what drives the market for neo-con “ideas”, nu?

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