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Islam and Democracy

An interesting article in the New York Times today asks, Is Islam compatible with democracy? It’s a fairly important question, considering that the current justification for our little misadventure in Iraq is that we’re “promoting democracy.” Of course, “promoting democracy” is the justification that we got after “finding weapons of mass destruction,” “combating human rights abuses,” and whatever other excuses they made up. But I suppose that’s beside the point. The author of this piece uses Indonesia as an example of a majority-Muslim country where democracy has not proven quite the ideal system that many politicians and talking heads would like us to believe. Radicalism is, if not spreading, at least getting louder. Conservatism is more common. Democracy has allowed fundamentalists a new platform on which to speak.

I don’t see any reason why Islam and democracy can’t work together — but I can see why religious fundamentalism of any stripe would be incompatible with democracy. And I can see why fundamentalism is taking hold in majority-Muslim nations around the world. American culture has long been exported abroad, to the chagrin of many people who don’t like seeing their own culture overwhelmed by golden arches and Barbie dolls. And now, from the perspective of someone in, say, Indonesia, it looks like the American military is invading Muslim country after Muslim country, killing tens of thousands of people and gearing up to invade even more (Iran? Syria?). That’s gotta seem awfully scary — and it shouldn’t surprise us when people who feel they’re under attack cling strongly to the characteristic that they believe is being targeted.

Think about post-9/11 America — the flags, the “never forget” bumper stickers, the general sense of unity and the resurgence of pride in being American. We were attacked, and we knew we were attacked not for being New Yorkers, or for being mostly Christian, or living in a democracy, but for being American. So we embraced that, we clung to it, and that American identity became a centerpiece in many of our lives in the subsequent days, months and years.

Now Muslims world-wide are feeling under attack because they’re Muslim. Every day they see footage of the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and they see the Bush administration chomping at the bit to go into Iran. They see immigrant Muslims routinely marginalized and targeted. They see that the major unifying factor in these things is their religion — and so logically, religion is embraced, and the more extreme versions of that religion can thrive.

I’m not defending fundamentalist Islam — not even close. But this isn’t happening in a vacuum, and if we’re going to combat it, we need to look at the issue holistically. We also need to decide, as a country, which norms we’re going to embrace — those of human rights, or those of religious conservatism (as long as its the right religion, of course).

Not surprisingly, I fall on the human rights side, which means that all people deserve a set of basic rights, freedoms and liberties simply because they are people, and that these rights should not be compromised based on gender, race, religion, national origin, place of residence, sexual orientation, physical or mental capabilities, etc. This is where my feminism butts heads with cultural relativism — I don’t think “it’s their culture” or “it’s their religion” is a good enough justification for oppression. I don’t believe that’s an adequate justification here, when it’s conservative Republicans trying to limit the civil liberties of gay and lesbian citizens or trying to restrict birth control access or trying to legislate compulsory childbirth. I don’t believe it’s an adequate justification abroad, when it’s religious conservatives whose interpretations of Sharia law allow women to be stoned to death or punish rape victims for surviving the crime.

Fundamentalism and “because God said so” is pretty much always trouble — which makes it interesting to see U.S. conservatives criticizing human rights abuses in majority-Muslim countries, when those abuses are usually tied to conservative religious interpretations, and then trying to justify their own promotion of religion-based conservatism, which would also enable human rights abuses. They realize it’s a matter of degree, and find themselves attacking progressives who promote universal human rights, while also attacking those people who apply fundamentalist religious beliefs to government and law. And so the argument gets couched in terms like “Islamism” and only references Muslims, instead of approaching all human rights abuses and promoting a universal vision of basic freedoms and liberties for all people. It’s a losing formula. Religion is a convenient cover for abuse (and certainly for patriarchy), but it’s not the cause of it. Religion was created by people, to benefit a certain class of people, and it’s interpreted by people. It’s not a static force. If it weren’t religion, something else would be used to justify oppression. But religion is awfully handy, since all kinds of bad acts can be justified with little more than an appeal to the supposed desires of a supreme being. The problem, though, is oppression in general, which includes racist, patriarchal social structures around the world. Taking out oppression from Indonesia to Indiana requires a dismantling of those structures, not single-issue nitpicking at this religion or that one. That said, we must point out oppressive acts and regimes when they occur — and the caning pictured above is a prime example.


26 thoughts on Islam and Democracy

  1. Widly off topic here, but there was a school shooting this morning at Virginia Tech, and apparently more than thirty people were killed. Unspeakably horrible.

  2. Islam per se has nothing to do with democracy. It depends on whether the Islamic nation in question treats it as a religion or a cosmology. The Turks seem to be able to do democracy just fine. So does Malaysia, etc.

    It becomes problematic however when Islam, or any other religion, refuses to recognize the possibility of a secular sphere. If everything is decided by God and merely announced by his clergy what is the point of democracy? Some nations, notably Pakistan, have tried to have it both ways with obviously mixed results.

  3. How the hell do you get a job as a “caner”? I mean seriously, what does this guy say at parties when people ask him what he does—“I beat women up for a living”? No wonder he’s wearing a mask.

  4. Of course Islam is compatible with democracy — just as much as any other religion is. That said, democracy is not synonymous with peace and human rights, a point which “nation-builders” seem to ignore. If radical Islamists (or any other radical religionists) refuse to submit to the rule of secular law, then there will be war.

  5. This is where my feminism butts heads with cultural relativism — I don’t think “it’s their culture” or “it’s their religion” is a good enough justification for oppression.

    Actually, relativism is more about judging people, not actions.

    That oppression occurs does not mean that people in an oppressive culture are bad *people*. It means that they’ve been taught a different set of values. We can’t judge them as bad people the same way we’d judge a person who grew up in US culture a bad person for holding the same values.

    So, e.g., “Thomas Jefferson owned slaves” shouldn’t lead us to condemn Thomas Jefferson. He grew up in a society that held certain terrible beliefs. It would have been wonderful for him to have reached beyond the beliefs of that culture, but we can’t condemn him as an enemy of human freedom for not reaching beyond his cultural teachings.

  6. A few disorganized thoughts:

    Is Islam compatable with democracy? Go back two centuries (if even that many) and some people were essentially wondering if Christianity was compatable with democracy, and from the point of view of “we can’t have democracy as it would harm our precious Christianity” — indeed, look at how today certain fundies feel that our secular society inherently “prevents” them from practicing their form of Christianity by our mere secularism.

    Is Turkey an example of Islam being compatable with democracy? Well, about as much so as France is an example of Catholicism being compatable with democracy. While Turks are generally more religious than the French are, AFAIK, the position of the Turkish government vis-a-vis any religion is the same as French laicite (sp?).

    Re the rise of fundamentalist points of view along with democratization (e.g. as is happening in Indonesia) — anti-Western reaction is certainly a big part of it: reactionary thinking tends to lead to reactionary thinking, so reaction against the West leads to reactionary Islam. But something else is going on here too — fundamentalism as we know it today derives very much from the Enlightenment which gave us liberal democratic values as well (read, for example, Jon. Edwards’ justifications for why he preached the way he did) … fundamentalism is not just a reaction against the Enlightenment but a part of the Enlightenment and justified by the Enlightenment — so it shouldn’t be surprising that as Enlightenment values spread, so does fundamentalism. Which is why the “what the Islamic world needs is an Enlightenment” crowd is being somewhat naive and historically un-aware.

  7. That is a disturbing number of people who seem eager to watch.

    In other news, yeah, I like what you said about religion and democracy. It’s not religion itself, it’s fanaticism that is antithetical to democracy. I mean, I go to church most Sundays but I absolutely don’t want the laws of my religion being applied to society, as I’m a nice guy. Not everybody practices my religion, so why should they have to follow its laws (also I disagree with some aspects of my own denominations policies)?

  8. How the hell do you get a job as a “caner”? I mean seriously, what does this guy say at parties when people ask him what he does—”I beat women up for a living”? No wonder he’s wearing a mask.

    How the hell does someone get the job to be an executioner in the USA? What do the people who push the plunger or flip the switch say at parties? What about prison guards or cops? People from both of those groups beat the shit out of people, but it’s not legally sanctioned or regulated. Is a cop losing his shit on a suspect or shooting & killing an unarmed person of color morally superior to the situation above?

    Jill, I agree with your assessment in many ways. The hipocrisy of the USA religious conservatives is a thorn in my side. Thank you for laying out the analysis, challenging your readers to take a moment to get in the shoes of the people who get criticized, and reframing the discussion on the real issues.

  9. Is a cop losing his shit on a suspect or shooting & killing an unarmed person of color morally superior to the situation above?

    Of course not, but there’s one huge difference. A cop who beats up or kills someone unjustifiably is, in theory at least, on the wrong side of the law and subject to punishment. The caner in the photo is, presumably, acting under color of law. That’s a sign of a sick society.

  10. More disturbing to me is the crowd of people gathered to watch.

    My co-worker, who grew up in China (~20 years ago), has related to me a story about a class trip she took when in junior high over there (or whatever the equivalent is). Apparently, they were learning about the criminal justice system and were taken to watch some executions. They were done with a single pistol shot to the side of the head. Death penalty for rape, drug dealing, etc. Families were not allowed to bury the executed but they had to pay the expenses associated with the execution–even the cost of the bullet.

    Systematic violence done to or witnessed by the young is pretty much everywhere to varying degrees. I’m not shocked about the crowd of people gathering to watch a punishment. Worse things used to draw massive crowds in the US about 100 years ago–lynchings. You could even buy postcards and pieces of the remains as commemorative items.

    The malady is very deeply rooted in our culture… and in most all cultures.

  11. Bolo …

    I wonder if the availability of simulated violence (e.g. in movies and TV) actually has made our country less violent: where before people would go to lynchings for entertainment, now people watch TV/movies/play video games and nobody gets hurt in reality.

    Perhaps there is some sick human urge to watch violence — and better it be simulated than real?

  12. When articles like this discuss whether Islam is compatible with democracy why don’t they ever look at African countries where Islam and democracy are functioning together just fine? Has the world forgotten about Senegal? I’m not trying to say that there are no human rights abuses in Senegal or anything of the sort, but really, they were pretty much the UN’s darling when it came to examples of how Islam and democracy can co-habit, yet any conversation I have ever seen the media engage in concerning this topic never once mentions Islam in Africa. WHY?

  13. Democracy doesn’t come easy, and America makes it seem like it does. Many other European countries have tried, and then turned to much radical forms of government after failing at it. It’s not simply about Islamic religion. Democracy is a lot slower system of politics than people in non-democratic countries are used to and would begin to react when they feel as though their government has lost control.

  14. Am I incredibly oversensitive or could that picture be triggering for some people? I had an unpleasant faintness response myself but that isn’t a result of past trauma, just an overpowering imagination– I once nearly fainted in a sex shop because my imagination overreacted to the mouth-covering latex masks, so “upsetting to me” is clearly too low a threshold to judge by. But I thought I’d say something in case I’m not the only one.

  15. I think if you fainted if you drove by a sex shop would be a low threshold. I’ve made a few workers at a local shop blush in shame at the stuff I’ve said.

  16. well,no, I was browsing. I just caught sight of the masks and started thinking a bit too hard about the sensory deprivation and suddenly there were spots dancing in front of my eyes and I was dizzy… It was weird, it wasn’t like I had never seen the things before, I just never *thought* about them before. Ack. Anyway, I can’t read the post because I’m scared to scroll up but I think it probably is just me

  17. Caning is not exclusively Muslim nor is it administered solely to women. Rather, it is a common punishment in the region. Notoriously, a dozen years ago, the American punk Michael Fay was caned in Singapore for tagging cars.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore
    And it wasn’t just an Asian thing — judicial corporal punishment was meted out in the UK till 1948. Petty offenders in the Isle of Man were birched until 1976, when the European Court of Human Rights held that birching breached the European Human Rights Convention. http://www.corpun.com/manx.htm

  18. I’m not even sure that the question “can Islam and democracy co-exist” can be meaningfully answered. Certainly not in a newspaper. It seems more sensationalistic and attention grabbing than anything else, relying as it does on notions of a monolithic “Islam,” and the threat it might or might not pose to “democracy” (Read Our Newspaper to Find Out If Democracy Is In Peril From Islam!). Obviously, the audience is expected to be on the side of democracy, and yes, one is expected to take sides (how could you not, with a question like that?).

    If the question is whether Muslims can live peacefully in democratic countries, the answer is obviously yes.

    If the question is whether Islamic law is compatible with democratic principles, then it should really be broken down into a series of other questions (whose interpretation of Islamic law? What democratic principles? What does it mean for two kinds of law, one regulating states’ relationship with the people, and one primarily about people’s relationship with God, to be “compatible”?), questions that demand nuanced and detailed answers somewhat beyond even the indulgent space limits of the Times.

    I’m not saying that the rest of the article wasn’t worth reading, or that more news coverage about majority Muslim countries’ experiences with democracy is bad. Rather, I take objection to the language that once again sets up an opposition between (liberal, Western, familiar, desirable) democracy and (backward, irrational, mysterious, dangerous) Islam.

  19. Well said Minger. I co-sign.

    “The Turks seem to be able to do democracy just fine.”

    The hell they do. If I were in Turkey, I wouldn’t be able to attend school because I wear a hijab or “headscarf.” F*ck that….

  20. More disturbing to me is the crowd of people gathered to watch.

    actually, much more disturbing to me is the invisible camera person. the person who squatted down for that perfect shot to distribute to the world an iconic signifier of ‘islamic brutality’.

    since 2001, the global audience has been gifted with a gluttony of images shunted through corporatised and converging media institutions of the ‘veiled woman’ (read: islam is contrary to the dignity and recognition of women’s rights), the ‘masked terrorist’ (read: islam breeds violence in unnamed, irrational, inhuman individuals), and now, the perfect combination of the both.

    i almost didn’t read the thoughtful and reflective text because of the image that has been chosen to re-disseminate.

    what is our responsibility as individuals who contribute to the discourse around these issues? who stands to gain by answering such a simplistic and outrageous question as to whether islam is compatible with democracy? and who stands to lose? and who is claiming representation of monolithic or pluralistic definitions?

    i live in malaysia, and we have enough of the political mobilisation on the discourse of islam – tolerant, embracing, ‘authentic’ etc – by invested parties without needing another global mirror to add legitimacy through binary relations. no thanks.

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