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Encouraging Signs From The World of Religion

The Church of England has released a report which finds that traditional wedding vows (you know, those ones with “obey” in them), combined with male-centric views of religion and the Bible and God, could be harmful to women and encourage violence against them.

The report said that clergy preparing couples for marriage should stress that men and women are of equal worth, and that the use of the word “obey” could be seen as an outdated view of the status of women.

The report said that the Church had, intentionally or unintentionally, reinforced abuse, failed to challenge abusers and intensified the suffering of survivors, often through “misguided” or distorted versions of Christian belief.

If people saw their relationship with God in terms of domination and submission, and uncritically used masculine imagery to characterise God, they could validate “overbearing and ultimately violent patterns of behaviour”, it said.

Victims could often see themselves as deserving abuse and could be persuaded, in a spirit of “self-denial”, to forgive the perpetrator and not take action against them. The report, entitled Responding to Domestic Abuse, Guidelines for Pastoral Responsibility, encourages churches to become places of safety for survivors of domestic abuse. The origin of the wedding vows used in Anglican services can be traced back to the Book of Common Prayer, as authorised by Henry VIII.

Good show, Church of England! Now, how about not just offering an alternative version, but omitting “obey” from the vows altogether?

Via Jules.


11 thoughts on Encouraging Signs From The World of Religion

  1. Well, there is still the matter of the choices they give you for reading in the order of service. For example…

    Genesis 2:4-9, 15-24: “Then the Lord God said ‘It is not good that man should be alone. I will make him a helper as his partner.'”

    Ephesians 5:1-2, 21-33: “Wives, be subject to your husbands as you are to the Lord.”

  2. I’ve generally been very proud of my church of choice this year – and even for the last several years. Order of service has, somewhat unfortunately, been the same for ages, and it would take a minor act of God to get it changed in any significant way. Generally the priests I know take the problematic texts as challenges, and have produced some excellent services from them. Not always though. Most memorably at my wedding, where the Ephesians text above was mistakenly chosen for the service, and our officiant chose to work his homily around it, signally failing to do a good job. I was minorly relieved that none of my bridesmaids (all Wellesley grads) did anything violent to him afterwards. Though I would have understood – I was feeling somewhat violent myself.

  3. I could be wrong, but I think the church of England DOES offer two forms of the vows — one includes the “obey” and one includes the vow to worship each other with one another’s bodies. I had a friend who chose the former over the latter, simply because it was too embarrassing to vow to have sex with his wife in front of his parents.

    Can I get an Anglican to back me up on this?

  4. I don’t know much about the Anglican service, as I’ve never been to one, but when I had my Catholic wedding a few years back, the vows were to love, honor, and cherish. There was nothing about obeying in there. If there had been, there wouldn’t have been a church wedding, as I only did the church thing for my mom anyway. But a few of my cousins have had ‘obey’ in their weddings. I honestly don’t know how someone could promise to do that in this day and age. Like I would ever obey the husband (and they wouldn’t obey theirs either).

  5. My husband and I are both atheists, but we had a Methodist ceremony because the pastor is a friend of my family. The Methodist church has apparently eliminated the “obey” part, as that’s what the pastor told us during the required pre-marital counseling they make you go through.

  6. Tapetum, that sounds like an awful thing to have happen at your wedding as it didn’t reflect your values. (And the priest was damn lucky. I wouldn’t want to face a pack of angry Wellesley grads after doing something like that!)

  7. I had a religious ceremony and we were given a list of 6 or 7 that we could choose from. We chose the ones that were the least flowery and most straightforward, and nowhere in them contained the words “obey” or “submit”. The pastor was great, especially considering he was a last minute addition as the pastor I had originally asked ended up being in the hospital that weekend.

  8. Thanks, HF. The wedding was the first indication we had that our priest was really a Southern Baptist at heart. We ended up leaving that church not long afterwards because of his behavior (generally, not just at the wedding).

    I think my bridesmaids dealt with their annoyance by being really amused at his other notable behavior. He had been told that I had “a non-Christian” in my wedding party, and while church policy would not allow him to disapprove of such a thing, he was discreetly, but plainly attempting to figure out who it was. Unbeknownst to him, out of twelve people in the wedding party (including bride and groom), there were only four practicing Christians, while the rest varied from atheist to Jewish, Ba’hai, and pagan. Eventually he figured out who the Jewish bridesmaid was, and relaxed, while the rest of us giggled madly about it while he wasn’t looking.

  9. About 20 or so years ago, the Greek Orthodox church, in which I was raised, started putting much of their liturgies and ceremonies into English. Personally, I liked it better when it was in Greek and I couldn’t understand a word.

    Anyway, when this cousin of mine got married, one of the lines in the ceremony was: “And the woman shall be beholden to the man…”

    When my cousin got her fiance home from the researsal, she looked him in the eye and said, “You can forget that beholden shit right now.”

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