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Fay, Fay, Fay.

I love Fay Weldon’s books. So I was disappointed and horrified to come across this bit of business.

Telling women not to expect orgasms but to fake them, and to praise their partner lavishly afterwards, is not advice normally associated with a woman who has been in the vanguard of feminism for four decades.

Nevertheless, Fay Weldon gives short shrift to the views for which feminists have fought so bitterly over the years. In her latest book, she not only warns high-flying women that they should expect to end up single, she also suggests that sexual pleasure may be incompatible with high-powered careers and that women should simply accept they are less capable of being happy than men.

I was not aware that my clitoris ceased to function when I got that law degree. And while I am in fact still single, I’m not exactly crying in my coffee over that. Especially when you consider that single women rate higher in happiness than married women, and marriage does a whole lot more for men’s happiness than for women’s. Hell, if I had someone at home who was responsible for my maintenance and upkeep and well-being, I’d be happy, too. I just don’t want to be the one stuck in that role myself, and that’s the lot that wives get in this culture.

And, apparently, maintenance and upkeep of one’s man’s well-being includes faking orgasms rather than actually, you know, speaking up and telling one’s man that whatever he’s doing just isn’t doing it for one, and could he maybe move a bit to the left and not so rough, please?

‘Eighty per cent of women only sometimes – or never – experience orgasm. Facts are facts and there we are. Deal with it,’ she writes in What Makes Women Happy?, to be published this month by Fourth Estate.

According to Weldon, sensible members of the sisterhood should, therefore, follow the example so graphically set by the actor Meg Ryan in the 1989 movie When Harry Met Sally, and fake orgasms whenever necessary.

And when is it necessary to fake it? When speaking up might be bad for the man’s ego, and we know how dainty those are.

‘If you are happy and generous-minded, you will fake it and then leap out of bed and pour him champagne, telling him, “You are so clever” or however you express enthusiasm,’ she says. ‘Faking is kind to male partners … Otherwise they too may become anxious and so less able to perform. Do yourself and him a favour, sister: fake it.’

And look who agrees with her on this!

Weldon has, however, received some praise for her trenchant views. The American feminist Camille Paglia lauded the book and its author for its courage. ‘It’s an important point that the career woman may often end up alone,’ she said. ‘That scenario needs to be put to younger women as they begin making their choices about life.

‘Faking orgasms is not a good idea. But what she’s actually talking about is trying to be supportive of men, whose psyches are delicate and need to be protected. Men have a tremendous drive and are victim to all sorts of self-doubt and it may well be that it’s a wise woman who realises that.’

Yeah, thanks, Camille. We can always count on you for the anti-feminist viewpoint that also has the virtue of being anti-man as well! Because, Christ, how in the hell did men get to be in charge of everything and have a reputation for being tough guys if they fall to pieces when they don’t get enough ego stroking?

At least she agrees that it’s a bad idea to fake orgasms. Hell, that does nobody any good. Not the woman faking the orgasms (aside from the obvious, she doesn’t get a chance to learn what turns her on), not the man (because he not only doesn’t learn what turns her on, but he gets a false idea of what leads to orgasm), and not the next woman he sleeps with, who gets to decide whether it’s worth it to undo the misconceptions he’s got. And all this focus on “performance” is really a euphemism for “he won’t maintain an erection if you don’t throw him a bone and pretend you got off.” Though, last I checked, men’s tongues and hands weren’t susceptible to shrinkage.

As noted in the article, Weldon’s (and Paglia’s) views on career women winding up (presumably unhappily) single are not all that different from the views of Michael Noer. And, again, they boil down to keeping women down by exploiting both women’s fear of being alone and, hence, devalued and men’s fears of being forced to confront the fact that their position in society depends on the absence of a truly level playing field.

And in that respect, faking orgasm is just all of a piece, isn’t it? It lets the man think he never fails and it lets the woman keep the man. Being honest about what works for you in bed — as well as having ambition and not buying into the myth that no man wants a career woman — upsets the apple cart.


33 thoughts on Fay, Fay, Fay.

  1. “Sometimes or never experience orgasm?” Pretty massive gap there – similiar in size to the leap that explains how faking orgasms is supposed to make women more sexually satisfied. Huh?

    I do know that a fair amount of decent guys get anxious about pleasing women, and obviously there’s a lot of societal pressure around male sexual performance, where The Penis ALWAYS orgasms during sex and ALWAYS causes orgasm in, well, anything it’s inserted into. But the key there is realizing that only something like 1/3 of women orgasm from vaginal penetration and not even most of the time from that, and so maybe you should try stuff aside from that – not lying to the decent guys and thus not only making them more anxious when the truth comes out, but, oh, you know, not having satisfying sex either.

    I mean, did a higher percentage of women orgasm before they were liberated? When men were perpetually erect, before feminists came and wilted their weeping crocuses? How hard is it to realize that this is (essentially) a biological issue, here? Oy.

  2. men, whose psyches are delicate and need to be protected

    We can always count on you for the anti-feminist viewpoint that also has the virtue of being anti-man as well!

  3. Ah, okay. It looks like she’s also saying sex can be pleasurable without orgasm. Duh. But nobody high-profile ever gets to say that to men.

  4. Accidentally submitted. I was going to add “well said”, and say that what strikes me about many relationship advices that are offered to men and women are that most of them basically tell that you can not afford to be honest with your partner and need to play all sorts of various mindfuck games with him/her.

  5. This really bummed me out. I loved her books, too. But honestly:

    ‘If you are happy and generous-minded, you will fake it and then leap out of bed and pour him champagne, telling him, “You are so clever” or however you express enthusiasm,’ she says.

    Not only is that a bad idea for all the reasons you note above, not only is it wrong on its face, but last I knew, anyway, advocating such massive deceit was hardly consistent with Christian behavior.

    Thanks a lot, Fay, you old bat.

  6. I hope the reason nobody’s already said this is because it’s too obvious to need saying, but the 80 percent figure is plucked from bizarro world, it’s made up. The actual number of women who never or rarely have orgasms is somewhere between 10 and 30 percent, if studies are to be believed. A distinct minority.

    Otherwise they too may become anxious and so less able to perform.

    And if a woman’s anxious and unable to “perform” to orgasm, her husband should… Oh, right, that’s not important.

  7. Ah, okay. It looks like she’s also saying sex can be pleasurable without orgasm. Duh. But nobody high-profile ever gets to say that to men.

    Yeah, because it’s stupid.

    Sure, sex without the orgasm is fun, too. That doesn’t mean orgasms aren’t also nice.

  8. Yeah, because it’s stupid.

    Sure, sex without the orgasm is fun, too. That doesn’t mean orgasms aren’t also nice.

    Oh, I think it’s good advice for someone who might be stressing themselves out over orgasm, because some people really do feel like they didn’t “really” have sex without it, and others feel like they’re actual failures if they can’t orgasm on command or super-quickly. But it’s awful advice for people-in-general, terrible advice for women-in-general, equally terrible advice for women who are partnered with guys who have no interest in pleasing them sexually, and absolutely idiotic advice for women who are partnered with men who /are/ interested in pleasing them sexually.

  9. On top of all this her orgasm faking advice is pretty bad. After a really good orgasm I certainly don’t feel like ‘jumping up’ and pouring anyone champagne while gushing about how clever they are. If I did that my husband would wonder what the heck was wrong with me, and he would certainly know that I didn’t really enjoy anything that just happened. I can’t imagine that anyone would act like that after good sex.

  10. On top of all this her orgasm faking advice is pretty bad. After a really good orgasm I certainly don’t feel like ‘jumping up’ and pouring anyone champagne while gushing about how clever they are. If I did that my husband would wonder what the heck was wrong with me, and he would certainly know that I didn’t really enjoy anything that just happened. I can’t imagine that anyone would act like that after good sex.

    Hee. There was this scene in the beginning of Jerry Maguire when his type-A girlfriend jumps off him after sex and runs down to the kitchen to get some fruit. My mom was all, “See? That’s because she’s a sociopath. People don’t move around after sex.”

  11. I am really confused about something. Supposedly we are supposed to keep faking the orgasms so the fragile men will keep having sex with us, but why would we want that? I’ve faked before when I was young and insecure (who hasn’t?) – frankly its rather humiliating and debasing. Sure you can have pleasurable sex without an orgasm, but faking it makes it feel completely unfulfilling, in my opinion. What this is really saying is “Sex is all about the man’s pleasure, so make sure every sex act centers on what he wants.” If I think I might never have a chance to get off with a sex partner, whether or not he feels good about himself is not my prime concern. I am not a mastubatory aid for men.

  12. ‘Eighty per cent of women only sometimes – or never – experience orgasm. Facts are facts and there we are. Deal with it’

    Jesus, I think I just threw up a little in the back of my throat…

    What an absolute load of meritricious, mendacious bullshit. There was a time when 100% of women couldn’t vote, or get an education, or own property. Should they have just learned to live with it? Her argument could be used to justify the continuation of every injustice that ever existed on this little ball of mud. She’s just damned lucky that the people in the past who made it possible for her to be in a position to write this dreck were smart enough to realize that facts are descriptive, not proscriptive. They tell us where we are; where we’re going is up to us.

  13. Telling women they should fake it because “You’re never going to have your OWN orgasm, honey!” is such a terrible load of tripe that just furthers this notion that it’s “more difficult” for women to climax then men. Yes, we’re broken sexually!

    It’s hurtful to women in more ways than just making them believe they’ll never get off. After all – if sex just isn’t pleasurable for you but you’re *expected* to do it, why have any sort of standards? Why wait for a partner you’re attracted to/love/respect/whatever? It’s our womanly duty to pad those male egos, so we might as well get it over with, anyways!

    This just furthers my belief that every girl starting puberty should be given a vibrator and told to find out what their own body likes. Don’t wait until having sex with a partner to figure out what’s pleasurable, and hopefully that will help them become women who are confident telling their partners what feels good.

    Phrased incorrectly, *anyone* can make their partner feel crappy in bed, and yeah, some people are eager to please and might have a slightly bruised ego for a bit, but these traits aren’t exclusive to men or women alone. Perhaps if we as a society were more open to the idea of sex for pleasure we wouldn’t grow up with this notion that good sex happens silently and magically, without any vocal demands or requests other than the stereotypical “Oh god, oh god!”

  14. Oh, I think it’s good advice for someone who might be stressing themselves out over orgasm, because some people really do feel like they didn’t “really” have sex without it, and others feel like they’re actual failures if they can’t orgasm on command or super-quickly.

    I disagree. I think it’s terrible, terrible advice for those people. What those people should be advised to do is examine why they invest so much importance in either having an orgasm or appearing to have one. If they’re stressed about having an orgasm, maybe they should try to just enjoy the ride rather than work themselves into a lather about the destination.

    I have never faked an orgasm. And not — at least when I was younger and more insecure — due to any sort of principles. Mostly, I felt stupid about trying to put on the Meg Ryan act since I’m not a screamer.

  15. I can see her point, on some level. No man likes to be told that what they’re doing is not satisfying. But in the words of Plato(?), “Better a man unsatisfied than a pig satisfied.” I’d rather have my feelings hurt, and get the information I need to do better than just keep plowing along and never be wise to my own failings. But that’s just me.

    At the same time, this “careerism is bad for women” thing seems to carry a veiled gender bias of it’s own. When we imply that career women are poor family providers, without applying the same lens to men, we are doing a great disservice not merely to women, but to all the fellow members of my gender who think they can just keep working their souls away and not have any negative impact on their families. Specifically, how many absentee working fathers are there in the middle class? A lot more than we realize, I’d wager. But how often do they have to hear the crap that professional women do, every time they take on more hours at the office? I’m willing to bet that it goes both ways.

    Please understand, I’m not trying to make a “what about the men” argument. Rather, I’m just pointing out what I think is an important case of yet another double standard with regard to career ambition that is unfairly slanted against working women. If women should have to put up with doubts about their inability to balance work and family, shouldn’t the same hold true for my own gender? Isn’t that only appropriate? What do you folks think?

  16. Bleh.

    My two cents: No orgasm = no reason to have sex. Why bother when I could just use my vibrator and actually get one?

    This of course results in me getting less sex, but on the other hand results in a huge decrease in bad sex, which is worse than no sex.

    Quality over quantity.

  17. I guess I live in Opposite World: My significant other would be much more upset if I faked an orgasm than if I just said, “Sorry, this isn’t working for me tonight.” Besides, he’d be able to tell, so faking just isn’t an option.

  18. In patriarchy, too many women think that if they don’t orgasm it is their fault. Telling them to just give up will only fuel that. Several sex partners — women in their twenties, mostly — have given me speeches about how they don’t usually have orgasms, including my wife when we were first intimate. Without exception, those women came without much difficulty, and their self-perception of anorgasmia was merely them blaming themselves for selfish or incompetent partners.

    I do not think that telling women that they have the problem when their problem is privileged men is a productive approach.

    BTW, Kyra, when you say no orgasm = no reason to have sex, are you excluding orgasm denial? I find not getting to come, in the right context, can be smokin’ hot.

  19. So … men have delicate egos that need women to protect them from silly little things like realizing that they *gasp* aren’t sexual gods.
    But at the same time, they are the stronger, rational, more capable sex and therefore the only ones who should have positions in science, politics and all those hard fields that women can’t wrap their tiny little badly wired brains around.
    Frankly, that’s as nonsensical as the “feminists hate men” but “feminists want to be men” chestnut.
    That’s why antifeminism doesn’t make sense to me.

  20. So can we just safely assume that Fay Weldon has never had a really good orgasm? I know people sometimes say “she just needs to be fucked properly” as a pejorative to shut women up, but really, I think she just needs to be fucked properly (which, of course, will never happen if she’s faking orgasms).

    I faked it one time, with the first guy I ever had sex with. We’d been at it for a while, and there was no way I was going to have an orgasm, and being inexperienced I didn’t know what pointers to give him. I am pretty vocal during sex, so it wasn’t that hard to just amp it up a bit and make him think that I had finished so I could just roll over and get some sleep. Thing is — he totally knew I faked it, which he told me the next day. We had a bit of a laugh over it and of course I realized how ridiculous it is to fake an orgasm, so I never did it again.

    And wow — this is completely offensive:

    Overall, very few things make women happy – and even fewer of them, suggests Weldon, are matters of substance. ‘Ask a woman what makes her happy and she comes up with a list: sex, food, friends, family, shopping, chocolate. “Love” tends not to get a look-in. “Being in love” sometimes makes an appearance. “Men” seem to surface as a source of aggravation,’ she writes.

    So things of substance don’t make women happy? Let’s see, on the list of things that make me happy I’d put playing guitar, walking in the woods, reading a great book, doing well at my job. Of course, I’m not sure what she thinks is shallow about deriving happiness from sex, food, friends, and family, which would all also make my list. Do “men” in general make me happy? Well, no. But certain men absolutely make me happy — my brother, my boyfriend, my male friends. I tend to avoid the ones who are sources of aggravation.

  21. I seriously don’t understand the “fake an orgasm” thing. Ignoring the screaming or whatever, wouldn’t you have to have some pretty awesome control of your vaginal muscles to simulate the contractions of orgasm? I mean, that’s a lot of Kegel exercises.

  22. Is it true that career women are (more) likely to end up single? I couldn’t tell whether you were objecting to whether the statement is a fact – by saying it’s a ‘myth’ – or accepting it’s true but objecting to how it’s being used – to try and scare women out of careers.

    And – if it is true – what’s should Wheldon have said? It’s true but being single isn’t bad, or it’s true and men should get their priorities right, or what?

  23. Actually there’s an interview with her at the link below which gives more detail.

    http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/generalfiction/story/0,,1865196,00.html

    With the typical perversity that makes some feminists exasperated, Weldon says that she is not an unalloyed believer in the proposition that women going to work is a good thing. “As soon as women have the choice of marrying or not marrying, having children or not, the only choice they don’t have now is not earning, which is a terrible loss to womanhood.” Why is that a loss? “Because capitalism crept in under the cloak of feminism and said: ‘Wouldn’t you love to go to work, ha ha ha. And then we can bring down wages, ha ha ha.’ And so they did. And so now one male wage no longer keeps a family, and we have a falling birth rate.”

    …Consider orgasms, which Weldon does in the book, as a supposed source of happiness. “In the pre-feminist days men didn’t worry about women’s orgasms. They didn’t even know they had them. Lots of women didn’t either. So now another controlling factor women have over men is men’s apparent failure to supply orgasms. Sex can perfectly pleasurable without orgasm,” she says in a section called The Joy of the Fake Orgasm. “Orgasm is not essential for sexual enjoyment. It’s pointless to insist on your right [to have an orgasm] or to define your sexual contentment through orgasm. You see yourself as sexually unfulfilled if you don’t have enough – It’s one of those socialisations that hurts women.”

  24. Personally, I’d much rather have my partner tell me what she likes so I can do it rather than have her fake it. I’ve had more than one partner in the past not communicate with me, then proceed to tell me that I wasn’t doing it right and that I should have “just known”. Those relationships didn’t last much longer after those conversations.

  25. I’m an occasional lurker but I feel I have to post in defense of the communication which makes good sex possible. I’d much rather my wife tell me what’s working, than for her than fake it. It makes sex more enjoyable for both of us and has the pleasant side effect of making sex happen more frequently. Seems like a win-win proposition. As for guy’s fragile egos, anyone who can’t stand a little direction either has issues that extend well beyond the bedroom, or simply doesn’t give a shit about his partner’s happiness. Neither of which would be his partner’s fault.

  26. Wow. I’m so thankful for my first serious girlfriend right now. She set me straight and never orgasmed from vaginal intercourse alone. I found it curious rather than ego-bruising. It probably helped that we did everything but PIV for several months, so when we started that we already had a lively sex life. I’ve never expected a woman to orgasm from PIV. If it happens cool, if not we’ll do something else.

    I think a better way to address this problem is better sex ed. If young people knew more about sex, then this would be less a big deal. I also think it is a good idea for teens to fool around for a while before intercouse. I think it would help many to learn to be better lovers. For adults already having mediocre or bad sex, your partner lying about it is not going to help.

    Purely annecdotal, regarding the career-woman thing: among my upper middle-to-working class friends & family, almost every adult works. In families, where only one parent works full-time and the other part-time, about 2/3s of the time it is the man working full time. Often the stay-at-home works from home while the other spouse works a regular job for regular pay & health insurance. To me this is a made-up issue to try to scare women out of professional careers.

  27. I seriously don’t understand the “fake an orgasm” thing. Ignoring the screaming or whatever, wouldn’t you have to have some pretty awesome control of your vaginal muscles to simulate the contractions of orgasm? I mean, that’s a lot of Kegel exercises.

    Well, if you get a guy who doesn’t know what a real orgasm looks like because all women are faking, then he’s never going to know the difference, right? He won’t know about contractions.

    Personally, I’d much rather have my partner tell me what she likes so I can do it rather than have her fake it. I’ve had more than one partner in the past not communicate with me, then proceed to tell me that I wasn’t doing it right and that I should have “just known”. Those relationships didn’t last much longer after those conversations.

    True story: I was at a sushi restaurant one night while a couple behind me were having this conversation. After a while, I felt like getting up and telling the woman, “Look, you are eating SUSHI. Take a couple of slabs of tuna and a dab of wasabi and SHOW HIM WHAT TO DO.”

  28. Bingo, zuzu.

    One way to look at the “fake your orgasm” advice is that in doing so, you’re avoiding responsibility for your own pleasure. From this stance, I would say that, as a man, I would find the faked orgasm to be more hurtful than my partner telling me what she likes. It’s basically saying (to me) that as a man of course I should intuitively know what every woman wants and if I don’t, well, I’m just an incompetent. How is that supposed to make me feel better?

  29. Quality over quantity.

    No kidding. I would also rather be alone and self-pleasure than be with an inconsiderate partner and get no pleasure. I’ve never faked, either.

  30. I seriously don’t understand the “fake an orgasm” thing. Ignoring the screaming or whatever, wouldn’t you have to have some pretty awesome control of your vaginal muscles to simulate the contractions of orgasm? I mean, that’s a lot of Kegel exercises.

    …if you were practicing that many kegels all the time, you’d probably never need to fake it anyway.

  31. I disagree. I think it’s terrible, terrible advice for those people. What those people should be advised to do is examine why they invest so much importance in either having an orgasm or appearing to have one. If they’re stressed about having an orgasm, maybe they should try to just enjoy the ride rather than work themselves into a lather about the destination.

    Oh, I don’t mean faking an orgasm is ever good advice! I mean that getting over the idea that you have to orgasm every time you have sex is.

  32. Because capitalism crept in under the cloak of feminism and said: ‘Wouldn’t you love to go to work, ha ha ha. And then we can bring down wages, ha ha ha And so they did. And so now one male wage no longer keeps a family, and we have a falling birth rate

    Because before feminism, no women worked and the ones who did (errr, I mean didn’t, or shouldn’t have, even if they had to) received the extra super duper high wages. It’s tragic how so few see that the feminist movement is the causative factor in declining real wages. If Gloria Steinem weren’t such a damn noodge, we’d still have a flourishing manufacturing sector, for a start.

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