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Oh, No! My Boyfriend’s Fat!

It’s time for another Cary Tennis column!

Actually, while I usually think Cary gives crappy non-advice, I do think he got this one right. First, the letter:

Dear Cary,

Currently I’m dating a man who just won’t leave my consciousness, not for a moment. I think of him all the time. He’s pretty special.

My problem is this: This wonderful man with whom I’ve shared some amazing moments and do share a phenomenal connection … he’s overweight. He’s not merely out of shape or a hike and a swim away from fit, he’s fat.

I’ve made a conscious effort to look past it (“it” being my own stupid, shallow, superficial, counterproductive reaction to the weight), but there it is, all of the time. In bed, he’s attentive, very strong, wonderful — we enjoy genuine chemistry — but even when the lights are out I find it difficult to navigate his flesh. I’m a smallish person stature-wise; it’s difficult for me to wind around a man with what little leg I’ve been given, never mind a man the size of one and a half men.

Worse yet is I fear being a selfish lover, because I don’t fantasize pleasing him the way I would ordinarily with a slimmer man. I’m intimidated, daunted and generally unprepared for certain activities.

I don’t know what to do. It’s a turnoff. And worst of all, part of the reason it’s a turnoff is that I see myself with a head-turner when the lights are on. I’ve always been with striking men — not pretty boys, but men who had that quality; after all, it’s that quality which turns my head in the first place. And this man just doesn’t light my fire in that way. I’m attracted to nearly everything about him but his size. So he doesn’t light my fire, and doesn’t feed my ego in the company of strangers. I hate myself even for admitting it; it’s just so superficial.

Am I trying to convince myself that we have a future together? Is there any way I can get past my bias and enjoy this person for who he is in total?

Weighing in, in Washington

I give the letter-writer points for recognizing that she’s the one with the problem. But I don’t have much hope for this working out. Bedroom logistics aside (and that is a real departure, especially if she’s not accustomed to larger men, and may require some getting used to, though I’m not sure what it is she finds so daunting), she’s just not attracted to him. She talks about his “size” being the problem, but really, she just doesn’t prefer fat men, no matter how great they are. And that’s fine. But if she doesn’t, she doesn’t belong in this relationship. Because she’s going to be trying to force herself to be attracted to him in spite of his weight, or because of all the great things about him other than his weight, but his weight will always, always, be at the back of her mind. And who needs that? Better that she find a man she’s really attracted to so that she can spare herself the mental gymnastics required to walk down the street with the guy and not be worrying that someone will see them together. And he deserves someone who finds him attractive as well as a terrific guy.

Here’s Cary’s advice:

Dear Weighing in,

You haven’t gotten this far by pretending. You’ve gotten this far by being straightforward and honest, and I suggest you continue being straightforward and honest.

This is harder, of course, because we are freaked out about fat. It is one of our crazy things. It goes deep. It has its paradoxes and corollaries as well — we are freaked out about skinny, and we are freaked out about food, and the planet, and the body and money and exercise and power. We are a freaked-out culture. We are all freaked out.

The fat man knows this.

If you are a fat man in America you cannot help noticing that people are freaked out about fat. People will suggest exercise bikes. They will feed you lean portions. They will say to each other, “It’s his fault, and it’s disgusting; he must have no willpower; he must eat the wrong things; he must be repressing something; he must not respect himself.” And what does the fat guy say? He says, Yes, thank you for that astute observation, I have indeed noticed that I am fat.

He then suggests that Weighing in meditate, without judgment or self-reproach, on the question of whether she thinks this is a deal-breaker or whether she wants to give the relationship more time.

What I like about Cary’s advice in this case is this: he recognizes that she’s being honest, and he gives her an honest answer — which includes a reminder that fat people are quite aware that we’re fat. (You’d think that would be a no-brainer, but given the people who pop out of the woodwork in any discussion on fat, whether or not it’s related to health, and start screaming that FAT PEOPLE MUST BE TOLD! ATTENTION, ATTENTION MUST BE PAID! THEY’RE FAT! THEY CAN’T POSSIBLY HAVE EVER BEEN INFORMED OF WHAT THEY’RE DOING! AND BY THE WAY, THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT I THINK THEY’RE DISGUSTING! — well, talk about people who need to be informed. Yikes.)

And I also like that he tells her to forgive herself and not judge herself for not being attracted to fat men. This is something I feel pretty strongly about — if you’re not attracted to fat people, you’re not (of course, that’s not the same as acting as if fat people are stupid, or disgusting, or what have you merely for existing). And this includes fat people, too. One thing that came up a few times in comments to this post was the idea that someone who’s fat themselves shouldn’t reject fat people as romantic partners. But that sounds almost punitive to me — well, who are you to have your own preferences? You’re fat, and you’re lucky to get attention from anyone — you’ve got no call to be picky! It’s not like gaining weight changes the nature of your attractions. I’m someone who likes both large and smaller men, but if I didn’t like larger men, why should I feel that I had to find them attractive? It’s not like there aren’t smaller men who like bigger women out there.


26 thoughts on Oh, No! My Boyfriend’s Fat!

  1. FAT PEOPLE MUST BE TOLD! ATTENTION, ATTENTION MUST BE PAID! THEY’RE FAT! THEY CAN’T POSSIBLY HAVE EVER BEEN INFORMED OF WHAT THEY’RE DOING! AND BY THE WAY, THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT I THINK THEY’RE DISGUSTING!

    Sorry about that. I have a penchant for fulfilling prophecies. I blame video games.

    Anyway, (speaking as a fat guy) I think the “you can’t be picky, fatty” impulse people have is a combination of skinny privlidge and fear. Actual choice among mates is a skinny privlidge. “If you’re fat, please just be thankful that someone is interested in sitting next to you at the movies, let alone TOUCHING you intimately.” If you doubt it, watch a skinny “chubby chaser” being rejected. It’s like a plantation owner being slapped by a slave for getting fresh. Simply unthinkable. The person sees his/herself as doing a sort of charity work.

    And of course, the fatties who don’t stick with fatties scare the crap out of fat-phobic skinnies, because they might actually try to make a pass at them. They don’t even feel they should have to reject such advances. The fatties ought to just know that the answer is “no”. They’re fat

  2. While I totally agree that Tennis is right to tell her to be honest with herself about whether this guy’s weight is a deal-breaker, he leaves out the importance of being honest with the man she is seeing.

    If she truly respects this man, then she ought to tell him how she feels about him and the extent to which his weight is a problem. This would give him the opportunity to think about how important she is to him and whether or not his relationship with her is worth undertaking the extreme measures (surgery or incredibly intense diet and exercize) necesary for a fat man to lose a large amount of weight.

    It’s not enough for her to be honest with herself, she should also be honest with the man she is seeing and give him a chance to decide for himself what lengths he is willing to go to for their relationship.

  3. Good lord, I hope to never have to even consider undergoing surgery on the off chance it might make me attractive to my partner.

  4. I don’t agree w/ that approach Jay, because then it makes her attraction to him conditional, which puts him in a strained position; not only will cheating make him gain, he’ll lose her love! And it also puts her in a bad position; what if he has surgery, loses all the weight, and she finds she’s still not attracted to him? What kind of guilt will she experience then?

    That’s just too much pressure for a relationship to be under.

    My spouse and I have both been fat and skinny, and our level of attraction has remained pretty much the same no matter what. Extreme obesity would not so much be a turnoff for us as a health concern to either one of us. And that’s the kind of relationship her boyfriend needs.

  5. This is something that I’ve dealt with to a certain degree in my own life.

    I’m curvy… median sized, chubby rather than fat, though I have been larger in the past. And I like skinny men. Really skinny men, with little tiny bums and flat stomachs and BMIs on the “underweight” end. It’s not a fetish but a preference; those are just the guys who turn my head. I dated a man for four years who was 5’7″ and 105 lbs, which is insanely skinny. My husband is less skinny but still on that end: 6′ and 150 lbs. I didn’t weigh my most recent ongoing fuck friend, but he was similar in size to my ex-boyfriend (interestingly, he found himself often rejected for his short stature, which is something that has no effect on my attraction).

    I’ve been told I’m “hypocritical” for this preference. That only the skinny are allowed to like the skinny, or something like that. I’ve been told outright I’m too fat to have any preferences at all when I seek out casual sex. Bullshit.

    I don’t shame the people I’m not attracted to. I don’t treat them rudely, or deny them jobs, or ignore their opinions. I just don’t fuck them (well, most of the time). But everybody is entitled to their turn-ons. My husband is entitled to like pretentious men and women with big noses, and I am entitled to like hairless skinny men.

    I quoted a comment on the Australian casual sex study thread that said it perfectly: there is no reason to shame those to whom we are not attracted. We can just decide not to fuck them.

    And the corollary is, we don’t have to be defensive or guilty about what attracts us to others.

  6. TWF, are you saying you have both a husband and a f— friend who are not the same person? Wow. Can’t imagine scheduling that. My own husband has been losing a lot of weight, and I am being complimentary without revealing that I’m actually just thrilled. He hid his paunch well, but it did impair certain activities. Anyway, I agree that there is not much point in telling this guy that his fat is making her think twice about the future. I think we all know that if we were hotter, we’d be more desireable to certain people as mates, but I feel it is up to the person with the weight issue to decide they want to change. It’s normally a bad idea to try to fundamentally change someone else; it has got to come from them or nowhere.

  7. emjaybee,
    Her attraction to him is conditional. Why not be upfront with him about it, treat him like an adult, and let him make his own decision about whether or not that is ok with him.

    It may be that he was unhappy about being fat long before he met this woman. If she tells him how she feels, perhaps he will decide that putting up with the extreme discomfort of doing something he has always wanted to do anyway, i.e., lose a lot of weight (either through surgery or through intense diet and exercize) is worth it to be with her.

    My point is only that it is disrespectful and unfair to him to not tell him the truth in order to spare his feelings. Like Tennis pointed out, the man knows he’s fat. I’m sure he also knows that this might make him less attractive to women .To prematurely give up on an otherwise promising relationship in order to avoid confronting him with what he already knows just seems foolish to me.

    Giving him an ultimatum seems less disrespectful to me. She should just tell him she loves everything about him except his weight, and that his weight is a deal-breaker. Let him decide whether he wants to lose weight in order to be with her. It’s his life, his body, and it should be his choice.

  8. Anyway, (speaking as a fat guy) I think the “you can’t be picky, fatty” impulse people have

    There are some fat men whose pursuit of skinny women I resent, but it takes more than wanting to go out with someone thinner than you for me to feel that way (I’m married to someone fatter than me). It’s acting as if you’re entitled to someone younger than you, thinner than you, prettier than you, and get to rag on women who are the same age and the same amount fat as you. It’s not the fact of being attracted to someone who doesn’t look like you, but the expressing of a double standard for the two sexes. Otherwise, I think people, whatever their weight, should be able to pursue whomever they’re attracted to.

    If you doubt it, watch a skinny “chubby chaser” being rejected.

    Reminds me of the scene in Sideways where the guy expects the fat woman to be so grateful, and it turns out she just sees him as a chance to add a bit of extra kink to her relationship with her husband. Serves him right.

    If she truly respects this man, then she ought to tell him how she feels about him and the extent to which his weight is a problem.

    I think “I’m just not that attracted to you” is honesty enough, if you’re going to give any reason at all. I, for one, never had any interest in being told exactly which parts of my body were the cause of my not being attractive to whomever.

    Cary Tennis, BTW, actually seems to me to give more or less the right advice fairly often; he just does so, usually, in the wimpiest and most roundabout way of any advice columnist I’ve read. Where Dan Savage would be saying DTMFA, Cary Tennis would be delicately hinting that the MF isn’t doing you any good.

  9. I don’t agree w/ that approach Jay, because then it makes her attraction to him conditional, which puts him in a strained position; not only will cheating make him gain, he’ll lose her love! And it also puts her in a bad position; what if he has surgery, loses all the weight, and she finds she’s still not attracted to him? What kind of guilt will she experience then?

    What should she do instead of being honest with him? Just stay with him even though she does not find him attractive? Leave him without telling him why?

    And the corollary is, we don’t have to be defensive or guilty about what attracts us to others.

    Even if one is attracted to thin blonde women with large breasts?

  10. The problem, Jay, is that his weight will still be an issue for her for some time. Is she supposed to stay with someone she’s not attracted to hoping that he’ll do what it takes to become attractive to her?

    And what if she’s not attracted to his new body?

    I agree that she should be honest with him that she’s not attracted to him, but what makes you think he’s going to want to stay with her once she tells him that?

    And how is an ultimatum “less disrespectful” than simply telling him it’s not working out, that she’s not attracted to him, good bye and good luck?

  11. yep, Lynn, you got it. maybe some 9straight) fat women are the same way about fat men, but I have mostly heard it from (straight) fat men: they think fat ladies are gross. not just that they are not attracted to fat ladies, but fat ladies are gross. it’s a total double standard. they think it’s ok to think some fat people are gross (the female ones) but still want to be seen as non-gross themselves. boggles my mind.

  12. TWF, are you saying you have both a husband and a f— friend who are not the same person?

    I did indeed have that situation, until the friend moved across the Atlantic.

    My husband and I aren’t currently living in the same city, but even when we are, it’s not that hard to schedule extramarital sex. People have affairs all the time, and I can’t imagine that dishonesty makes it any easier. Married people get together with their friends for coffee… why would you think it would be harder if it’s sex instead of coffee?

  13. Even if one is attracted to thin blonde women with large breasts?

    Yes, even then. Someone has to have sex with the skinny D-chested blondes! They deserve companionship and pleasure too.

    That’s not to say that one shouldn’t examine one’s own preferences. I think it’s a good idea to think about where the elements of one’s attraction come from, and to question the assumptions that underlie them. That said, I don’t think it’s possible to tease out the “innate” from the “socialized” responses. It’s like asking whether gay people are born that way… who cares? They’re attracted to who they’re attracted to, and that’s all we need to know.

    And if a person only wants to have sex with people who fit some cultural ideal, that’s fine. He may have less chance finding someone who fits that ideal and is attracted to him, and he may have to temper his expectations, but there’s nothing wrong with the attraction itself. If he goes around telling all women that they should be fitting into his view of what a sex partner should be, and shames those who don’t do so, then he’s an asshole. If he refuses to do the work required to fit the expectations of the women he wants to do the equivalent work, then he’s deluded and pitiful.

  14. I must say- you’re a friendlier group than the Salon lot.

    It’s shocking to me the amount of dicussion concerning my letter, though I suppose it shouldn’t be. The weight debate looms large in this country. For the record, I have zero tolerance for people who ridicule, poke fun at or otherwise disrespect a person for his or her size…and also agree that a double standard exists (the notion that a ‘fat woman’ somehow is less acceptable or desirable than a ‘fat man’ is just criminal, not to mention misogynistic).

    I probably shouldn’t admit this, but it’s been especially helpful reading through some of the harsher responses- except maybe for the one referring to me as ‘skank’, that was a bit much. The discussion has forced me to confront myself in ways I hadn’t expected…I won’t get into any of that other than to say ‘thank you’ for your thoughts.

    I cannot imagine telling this man I have an issue with his weight. I cannot imagine how humiliating a conversation that would be for him. (I’m assuming). I will find a way, perhaps, to gently influence some of the decisions he makes toward good health. I realized today that my feelings for him are deeper than I had originally suspected- because the prospect of losing him over something so unimportant is unbearable. And, truth be told, I’m dying to be held by him again. That’s a fact- it’s not true that I’m not attracted to him- there’s an issue between us (my issue), and I’m increasingly convinced it can be overcome.

    It’s true that his size bothers me, but I adore the color of his eyes, the gray in his hair, the aristocratic slope of his nose, the strength of his limbs and character. These things are not mutually exclusive.

    And just so we’re clear- he’d prefer me taller, blonder, and with a bigger rack. Love’s complicated.

  15. I’m curvy… median sized, chubby rather than fat, though I have been larger in the past. And I like skinny men. Really skinny men, with little tiny bums and flat stomachs and BMIs on the “underweight” end. It’s not a fetish but a preference; those are just the guys who turn my head.

    twf, if I didn’t know any better, you could be my best friend describing her relationship. She’s very medium-curvy, the ’50s pin-up bombshell type, and her guy is tallish and skinny, with long black hair — exactly her “type” as she’s been describing it as long as we’ve known each other. She’s similarly his “type”.

    Any you’re right on about attraction. Everyone has a right to their attraction. nobody has the right to demand that a partner that fit their attraction serve themselves up on a silver platter.

  16. I cannot imagine telling this man I have an issue with his weight. I cannot imagine how humiliating a conversation that would be for him. (I’m assuming). I will find a way, perhaps, to gently influence some of the decisions he makes toward good health. I realized today that my feelings for him are deeper than I had originally suspected- because the prospect of losing him over something so unimportant is unbearable. And, truth be told, I’m dying to be held by him again. That’s a fact- it’s not true that I’m not attracted to him- there’s an issue between us (my issue), and I’m increasingly convinced it can be overcome.

    Good. I hope that works out for you. And it sounds like even the nastier letter-writers at Salon (and they do get nasty) maybe got you to question some of your assumptions.

    Thanks for stopping by.

  17. But what about a partner who gets fat after you’ve both invested in the relationship and you’re confident your partner will be attracted to your slender body? If I got fat, and my partner stopped being attracted to me, I’d want to know it’s because I got fat…in fact it’d be a relief, since fat is something I can control.

  18. #18… except it’s not, always, something you can control. I’ve known a few people who were required to be on medications that caused them to gain a lot of weight, for example.

  19. I must say- you’re a friendlier group than the Salon lot.

    Careful Weighing, there are feminists here. If you aren’t careful they will bite your head off with their sharp mandibles and lay their eggs in your carcass. 😀

    Seriously though… I hope things work out for you, Weighing. It really does sound to me like you and your partner really are “good” for one-another. I also respect how you can be open and honest about your feelings and yet remain quite resilient. Perhaps it’s just me, but I find that very difficult to do in mixed company, much less on the internet.

  20. My size two sister met a fat man at work. She got to know him…went to parties, hung out, talked all night both on the phone and off. She sat near him while he played his guitar and sang beautifully. And, boy, was he fat. This friendship went on for a week or two.

    And, then she aggressively stole his fat ass from a “fiancee” who had apparently made sure that their “relationship” was characterized by emotional abuse of the “you’re fat and disgusting and no one else will ever want you” variety. And normally I don’t condone cheating or stealin’ men, but…boy was I happy about it. And she was relentless. I’ve never seen her go after a guy like that.

    Because this guy is worth it. Worth a little moral flexibility when it came to interfering with other peoples’ relationships. I was blown away when I met him. He was a catch at any weight, and his finacee didn’t deserve him and my sister did. He is one of the coolest people I have ever met. And he has great eyes and a great face and after about five minutes of conversation you just didn’t see “fat” anymore.

    It took years for her to get him over the horrible self-hatred he’d carried around since…I dunno. Childhood, I guess. for almost a year he wouldn’t take off his shirt in front of her, or do it with the lights on.

    It is criminal for anyone to be driven to such self loathing. But our society just loves to do it.

    Incidentally, soon after their first kid he did decide to lose the weight. Although his self esteem was much better at that point he couldn’t bear the thought of being physically impaired or worse with a toddler. So he hardcored it and lost about a hundred pounds.

    And that’s it. They’re still married, he’s still cool, it’s a constant battle to keep the weight off. SOP.

  21. Hey, Weighing, in case you pop back in–best of luck to you.

    As for the rest of this thread, it’s been really interesting. I’m sliim and comfortable with my shape, but I wasn’t for years, and I am afraid of gaining weight because I fear I would become obsessive about losing it, and I’m afraid, since people tell me I’m attractive, of not being told that anymore, and not reacting as indifferently as I wish I could (yeah yeah, poor me, right? but for real when people compliment my looks I just get tense because I want to yell, “yeah, FOR NOW, and then what are you going to be saying when I’m not 18 anymore? and what am I going to be saying when this thing people identify me as changes?”). Something about this thread has made me feel a bit better, but I don’t know exactly what.

  22. Cassandra, I know what you mean. Or I think I do. People tell me I look good as I am, and though I need to lose weight (family history of diabetes/heart disease/etc) I don’t want it to consume me. No pun intended.

    But this thread makes it pretty clear that thinking people will always be out there, and that someone will always find you attractive. And if they don’t – it’s not the end of the world.

  23. But what about a partner who gets fat after you’ve both invested in the relationship and you’re confident your partner will be attracted to your slender body? If I got fat, and my partner stopped being attracted to me, I’d want to know it’s because I got fat…in fact it’d be a relief, since fat is something I can control.

    This is more or less…exactly what I’m going through at the moment. I’ve never been skinny, I’m naturally a little chubby and super-curvy, and when I met my current boyfriend I was at my smallest ever. Well…rather quickly I started picking up his eating habits and replacing the ones that had allowed me to lose all the weight in the first place (go WW!), and I gained weight. A lot of weight, and quickly. And our sex life went to hell…but he swore up and down it wasn’t my weight, it was a million other explainations he came up with, but not my weight. I got depressed (which has always been an issue with me), I gained more weight (I went from 167 and a size 12, which was when we met, to 225 and a size 16 at my heaviest, but I was up around 200 over just a year…and I carry weight well but not that well, as well as developing borderline high blood pressure at 22), and I spent all my energy blaming myself for our problems, that he swore were his issue, and trying to figure out what I could do to make him want me again. It sucked, it was awful and it seeped into every part of our relationship, like sex issues tend to. 2 1/2 years into our relationship, 2 years into the sex issues he finally tells me. He doesn’t want to lose me, but he has a hard time getting turned on with me because of my weight (as well as some other things that were a byproduct of our sex life issues, like the fact that I was an emotional wreck). Why he didn’t tell me sooner? Well you just don’t say that kind of thing to your girlfriend, its mean. But I wish he had, because I could have made the decision to get serious about it a long time ago (because its not like I was happy with it, either, but I was stressed and depressed and having a hard time sticking with any plan I tried, and he kept telling me that my weight was not the issue), and now our relationship is such a mess and sex has SO much stress and baggage attached to it that even with the fact that we really connect with eachother and have a solid, loving relationship…I don’t know if its going to survive. Even after 4 months and 40 pounds lighter (again, with the weight watchers), with me physically a lot closer to when we met than where I was last year (and him too…he hadn’t gained much weight but had lost muscle, so we’re working on our bodies together)…our sex life is a mess and its affected everything else.

    So, moral of the story, at least in my opinion, if you really love your partner, you need to tell them what’s going on and not sit on it for 2 years (or longer!). Because its just going to fester, and then when you get to the point where you have to tell them…it might be unfixable.

  24. Weighing In,
    Most of my relationships – all of the good ones – have been with people who aren’t traditionally “attractive”. They weren’t pretty, they didn’t turn heads when they walked down the street. What they were was interesting, and attracted to me, and I like receiving attention of that sort from people I like.
    I didn’t fantasize about having sex with them, when I wasn’t around them. But it was still good when I was with them, because of the mental/emotional factors (Also because I have a mysterious knack for spotting people who are good in bed.)
    Hot men and women still turn my head and occasionally make me stop and stare, and frequently visit my daydreams. But they’re mere eye candy.
    I’m not entirely sure what point I was going to make with this comment, but there it is for what it’s worth.

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