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Can We Quarantine the Christianists?

Because they’re really causing a lot of public health problems. See: Abstinence-only education, emergency contraception, reproductive health, HIV/AIDS, and the HPV vaccine.

The latest news is on EC and HPV. Disappointingly, my home state of Washington is considering allowing pharmacists to opt out of doing their jobs via a “conscious clause” which would enable them to refuse to fill prescriptions as they see fit. This proposal would require pharmacists to offer their customers some alternative if they refused to refill their prescriptions — like, say, referring them to another pharmacy.

But that’s not as easy as it sounds. I grew up in Seattle, where there are plenty of pharmacies. I also have a car, and so going elsewhere probably wouldn’t be too much of an issue for me. But outside of the greater Seattle area, and particularly east of the mountains, Washington state is a fairly rural place. There are lots of small towns, and lots of people who drive for miles to the nearest pharmacy. Referring them elsewhere will often place a substantial burden on their ability to get the medical care they need.

And let’s be clear here: This proposal isn’t just limited to emergency contraception, or even birth control. As reader Katie, who sent me this article, pointed out, this gives pharmacists the ability to refuse to fill any prescription for any reason. Think kids are over-medicated? Refuse to fill their Ritalin prescription. Think depression is a farce? Refuse to fill prescriptions for anti-depressants. Think alcoholism is a sin? Refuse to fill prescriptions for its medical treatments. Hate trans people? Refuse to fill prescriptions for hormone therapy. Believe in scientology? Refuse to fill prescriptions for just about anything.

Is this a road we want to go down?

Then there’s the HPV vaccine, which could save the lives of thousands of women ever year. Clearly this is a good thing. Should be a no-brainer, right?

Well, there are those who don’t appear to be using their brains for much of anything, and who naturally oppose this vaccine because it’ll allow more women to have sex without paying for it with their lives. Is there any evidence that women will have sex more often, with more partners, or earlier because of this vaccine? No. Does anecdotal evidence and personal experience make me think that the vast majority of women aren’t postponing or refuing sex solely out of a fear of death from cervical cancer? Yeah.

The political morass surrounding Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) is another example. On Thursday, the Food and Drug Administration is expected to approve a vaccine for the two strains of HPV which cause 70 percent of all cervical cancers. The American Cancer Society estimates that this year, over 9,700 women will be diagnosed with cervical cancer and some 3,700 will die from it. So this vaccine could save thousands of lives.

What’s been holding this bold new innovation back? Moral panic. The religious right initially opposed it on the grounds that protecting people from an STD would undermine the no-sex-before-marriage message. After all, what could reinforce that message better than the threat of death? Even groups like Focus on the Family have dropped their opposition to the vaccine itself — probably realizing their position would seem indefensible to most thinking people, and that this was a battle they were going to lose — but they’re still fighting a proposal to make it mandatory for public junior high school students. This is also an appallingly irresponsible position, but one much easier to sell to the public, as it exploits deep anxieties about children and sex. According to the Centers for Disease Control, and most scientists who study HPV, the vaccine is most effective if given before kids become sexually active, so let’s hope the cooler heads prevail.

These are people who are perfectly willing to let others die so that their already-failed ideology can prevail. Some “culture of life” we’ve got going here. It’s shameful.


19 thoughts on Can We Quarantine the Christianists?

  1. This news terrifies me more and more ever since we learned we’re having a daughter. We’re adamant we want her vaccinated against HPV along with all the other things a responsible parent wants their child vaccinated against. After all, we don’t condemn tetanus shots on the grounds that it will encourage children to play with needles! Does anyone know where a family could take their child to get such a vaccine if it’s especially delayed here? I hate to say it, but you never know when your child could be exposed to HPV considering the sexual abuse statistics, I believe we should be giving them the vaccine when they’re still in diapers barring serious contraindications.

  2. Never underestimate the ability of ideology to destroy the logical centers of the brain. I know a couple of wackjobs, and though they’d probably concede otherwise if pressed, I know that somewhere in their minds they believe that death is really nothing compared to the state of one’s soul.

    It’s not just sad—it’s frightening.

  3. What I fear is going to happen if the vaccine is not made mandatory–it will be made inaccessible. That would be the next step: sure, it’s an approved vaccine. But if you can’t get vaccinated because doctors are unwilling to provide it (fear the wrath of the right) it doesn’t really matter.

    I’m not exactly pro-vaccine; I have reservations about vaccinating kids against something like chicken pox, which has a low occurance of negative outcomes if contracted in childhood and a high occurance of negative outcomes if contracted in adulthood (say, after the protection from the vaccine wears off). But something like this? I don’t really want to see it in the overloaded 0-2 year vaccination schedule, but a recommendation to stick ’em at 3 or 4 followed by a booster around HS would be perfectly fine with me.

  4. I get that you hate the religious right because they hate abortion, but I think they’re being misrepresenting on HPV.

    Is there any evidence that licensing of the vaccine had been delayed because of the religious right? Because as far as I’m aware they’ve done nothing to hold the vaccine back.

    Opposing mandatory vaccination isn’t appallingly irresponsible. Outside the US for the last 30-odd years mandatory vaccination for school children is virtually unknown – are most world governments being deeply irresponsible? ‘Cos a lot of them have better public health systems than the US. Trying to use a scheme justified by preventing school epidemics to push a vaccine for a disease which doesn’t cause school epidemics seems to me to be deeply irresponsible. I doubt may kids are catching HPV by screwing each other in the school toilets.

    And what do you even mean by “opposing the vaccine”? Not wanting is to exist? Not wanting it to be licensed? (I don’t think you’ll find many people in that came) Not wanting to be vaccinated with it (in which case we all ‘oppose’ smallpox vaccine)? Not wanting it to be mandatory in school (in which case we’re all ‘opposing’ yellow fever vaccine)? What?

    I appreciate you’re terrified of these people – and rightly so. But the misrepresentation and scaremongering on this issue from feminist sites is astounding.

  5. A pharmacy in Seattle refused to fill a prescription for post-abortion antibiotics. The wingnut pharmacist recognized the name of the abortion clinic and, in a true commitment to the sanctity of Life, decided that she’d rather let the baby-killer patient die. That would be protected under the new rules.

  6. In the US, for instance, religious groups are gearing up to oppose vaccination, despite a survey showing 80 per cent of parents favour vaccinating their daughters. “Abstinence is the best way to prevent HPV,” says Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council, a leading Christian lobby group that has made much of the fact that, because it can spread by skin contact, condoms are not as effective against HPV as they are against other viruses such as HIV.

    from NewScientist.com

  7. Misrepresented? No evidence of influence of the religious right?

    How about this:

    “Some people have raised the issue of whether this vaccine may be sending an overall message to teen-agers that, ‘We expect you to be sexually active,’ ” said Reginald Finger, a doctor trained in public health who served as a medical analyst for Focus on the Family before being appointed to the ACIP in 2003.

    What’s ACIP?

    Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), a panel of experts assembled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. The panel issues widely followed guidelines, including recommendations for childhood vaccines that become the basis for vaccination requirements set by public schools.

    So we have a guy from Focus on the Family influencing this decision.

    And see here and here for why talk of parental “choice” — the strategy of Christian groups opposed to the vaccine, because they risk being labeled “pro-cancer” if they outright oppose it — will undermine the vaccine’s effectiveness.

  8. I’m not exactly pro-vaccine; I have reservations about vaccinating kids against something like chicken pox, which has a low occurance of negative outcomes if contracted in childhood and a high occurance of negative outcomes if contracted in adulthood (say, after the protection from the vaccine wears off).

    I got it when I was in high school because my doctor decided that it’d be nasty to get it as an adult (even leaving out my respiratory tract issues, which would make it downright dangerous), and my middle-school age brother got it at the same time (so he couldn’t pass it on). According to her, that kind of thing is the most common use of the chicken pox vaccine. Just FYI.

  9. It’s mandatory now GordonK… my daughter had to have it at 12 months. If I hadn’t consented before the age of five, she wouldn’t have been allowed in school. In fact, I have a ten year old sister who had to produce proof that she had chickenpox or undergo the vaccine at age 9, because it had become mandatory. At least it is in my state. I still think it’s stupid, but it wasn’t a big enough deal to me to refuse to let her have it. I remember having chicken pox and they sucked so if we can spare her that, I’m not going to complain.
    As far as the HPV vaccine, I am hoping beyond all hope that it is approved quickly because I would like it to be available to my daughter as soon as possible. At some point, I do expect her to be sexually active and even if she waits until she’s married to have sex, there’s always the issue of whether or not her significant other did. Plus, if she is raped I would rather she have that protection beforehand. Heck, I’m a married woman who is not planning on ever having another partner and at this point, I would want it if it was offered. I think it’s pretty horrible that women may end up with a preventable disease because their parents are opposed to vaccinating them.

  10. Well, abstinence is the best way to avoid transmission of STDs, but not driving is also the best way to avoid being in a car accident. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t make people wear seatbelts, because it might encourage them to drive a dangerous car with reckless abandon thinking they’ll be protected by their seatbelt.

  11. Zuzu,
    How is the fact that one guy, who used to work at Focus on the Family but now is on the ACIP, says that some people have raised an issue with him evidence that the “religious right” is holding up the HPV vaccine?

    Aren’t there all sorts of reasons (costs, risks, etc.) why a vaccine shouldn’t be mandatory besides the strawman arguments (wanting women who have sex to die) Jill can think up for the religious right?

    As Nik says – the scaremongering on this site is astounding.

    From the Family Research Council:(http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=PR05J04)

    “The Family Research Council welcomes the news that vaccines are in development for preventing infection with certain strains of the human papillomavirus (HPV), a sexually transmitted disease. We also welcome the recent reports of promising clinical trials for one such vaccine. Any medical advance in this area holds potential for helping to protect the health of millions of Americans and helping to preserve the lives of thousands of American women who currently die of cervical cancer each year as a result of HPV infection. Media reports suggesting that the Family Research Council opposes all development or distribution of such vaccines are false.”

    Things that make hmmm…..

  12. Aren’t there all sorts of reasons (costs, risks, etc.) why a vaccine shouldn’t be mandatory besides the strawman arguments (wanting women who have sex to die) Jill can think up for the religious right?

    J, any reasons for not making it mandatory are far outweighed by the benefits of making it mandatory — that is, the elimination of the virus and thus the elimination of this cause of cervical cancer.

    If only some people are immunized and not others, the virus can still spread, and women who were not immunized can still get cervical cancer due to the virus still being present in the population. And they can get HPV even if they’re virgins on their wedding nights, if their husbands picked up the virus. It’s for this reason that I think that boys should also be immunized, since they can expose others to the virus even if it’s asymptomatic for them.

    Polio was wiped out because EVERYONE was immunized. Same with smallpox. Had parents been able to pick and choose whether their kids got the Salk vaccine, we might still have kids in iron lungs today because we wouldn’t have herd immunity.

    And the religious right’s arguments that it’s going to “promote promiscuity” are absurd. Kids are going to be vaccinated when they’re quite young, at the same time they’re given all sorts of other vaccinations. By the time their hormones kick in, it’s going to be at least a decade later and they’re not going to pull out their medical charts to see what sexually transmitted diseases they’re immunized from.

    Besides which, good Christian kids are fucking anyway, despite there being no vaccine. And they’re getting STDs despite their abstinence-only educations, because they have been given fucked-up messages about sex, and if they don’t use condoms, it’s like they didnt’ plan to have sex, so it’s not really a sin, right?

  13. Zuzu,

    I think you’re talking past what I wrote. I enquired about “any evidence that licensing of the vaccine had been delayed because of the religious right?” As the blog post that Jill endorsed suggests. Sure, a public heath expert who once served on Focus on the Family was appointed to ACIP. But the ACIP doesn’t license vaccines, so I’m not sure what that proves. I’ve not even read any suggestion that any recommendations of the ACIP have done the other way because he’s on it. As Jivin says, he just repeated to the newpaper something some people have said to him.

  14. As far as I can tell, nik, we havent’ reached the stage where licensing is an issue. However, we now have Christian lobbying groups lobbying against making the vaccine part of the mandatory array, and we have someone from the highly influential Focus on the Family on the board that makes the decisions as to whether the vaccine becomes part of that array.

    Do you see the problem here? They don’t have to stand in the way of licensing or approving it for use (and they’ve got a political problem in doing so because of the cancer connection), but they can stand in the way of distribution, so as to render it far less effective than it should be. All in the name of “preventing promiscuity” ten or more years after the vaccine would be given.

  15. Zuzu,
    First the vaccine won’t eliminate the disease – the current vaccine targets 4 lines of HPV which cause the majority of cervical cancer cases but not 100% of cases –

    Second, you’ve yet to make a case that the benefits of making the vaccine mandatory outweigh the negatives (which you haven’t at all examined). You simply state it instead of providing any kind of reasoned analysis. You have also provided limited reasoning as to why parents should be forced to vaccinate their child. Shouldn’t parents and children be given a choice? Talking about forcing government into private medical decisions?

    Polio and smallpox are both diseases which are spread a little easier than HPV. The comparison is a little off. I’ve yet to see an official at any conservative christian organization say it will lead to promiscuity. Did I miss that?

  16. I’ve yet to see an official at any conservative christian organization say it will lead to promiscuity. Did I miss that?

    Yes. You apparently haven’t read any of the links that anyone’s put up in these comments. They’ve been saying that over and over and over. It’s the sole basis for their opposition to the vaccine, and the sole basis for opposing it being mandatory. They don’t care about cost, and they dont’ care about risk in the way that the thimerisol-causes-autism people do.

    Read the story linked in my new post.

  17. I got it when I was in high school because my doctor decided that it’d be nasty to get it as an adult (even leaving out my respiratory tract issues, which would make it downright dangerous), and my middle-school age brother got it at the same time (so he couldn’t pass it on). According to her, that kind of thing is the most common use of the chicken pox vaccine. Just FYI.

    Gordon: it’s mandatory for public school admission or daycare admission (after 24 months) in my state.

    -hp

  18. Second, you’ve yet to make a case that the benefits of making the vaccine mandatory outweigh the negatives (which you haven’t at all examined).

    I’m usually not comfortable with the government mandating healthcare procedures, but I’m not really sure what the negatives of a vaccination of this sort would be. Maybe you could enlighten us?

  19. Zuzu,
    Over and over and over. LOL. You’ve probably heard one or two quotes over and over and over in your own echo chamber. There are two quotes above and Jill doesn’t link to anything with a quote from a Christian conservative. You again accuse organizations of being opposed to the vaccine – which ones????

    Finer, a guy who used to work at Focus on the Family says that “some people” – he never says it’s his personal opinion.

    There is a single quote from Bridget Maher from the Family Reseach Council who says it, “could be potentially harmful.” Knowing that the FRC has an official position which isn’t opposed to the vaccine, I wouldn’t be surprised if the reporter asked a question along the lines of “why might some people be opposed to this”

    Then in your new post you have a quote from Hal Wallis (who ever the heck he is) saying he thinks there is a concern among Christians but he later says he’s in favor of making it mandatory for school registration.

    Other conservatives (Gene Rudd and Peter Sprigg) quoted seem to have no problem with vaccine itself and have logical concerns (not it will lead to more sex) about making the vaccine mandatory.

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