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Saletan v. Pollitt

Need I say it again? I LOVE KATHA POLLITT. See how she takes on William “I’m pro-choice, but abortion is bad, sad, tragic, repent now!” Saletan here.

Saletan:

Take another look at that California poll I mentioned. Seventy-one percent of respondents don’t want Roe overturned. Seventy-six percent favor “the government providing funding to programs that provide teens with birth control methods or contraceptives.” Eighty-nine percent say it’s appropriate to tell high-school kids “how to use and where to get contraceptives”; 54 percent say it’s appropriate to tell middle-school kids the same thing. Yet 56 percent agree that “it would be a good thing to reduce the number of abortions.” And here’s the kicker: “Which of the following do you believe would be most effective in reducing the number of abortions?” Option 1: “Enacting more restrictive abortion laws.” Option 2: “Providing more access to contraception.” Five percent of respondents choose both. Twenty percent choose restrictive abortion laws. Sixty-six percent choose contraception.

Don’t these numbers refute your conflation of opposition to abortion with opposition to sex? You say it’s impossible to make contraceptive diligence a moral issue because contraception comes from the “anti-Puritan side” of our culture, and people who oppose abortion, being Puritans, also oppose birth control. How, then, do you explain the 30 percent to 35 percent of respondents in this poll who joined the majority for reducing abortions but also joined the majorities for government-funded contraception and contraceptive education? Given that they control the majority on all three questions, wouldn’t you like to have them on your side?

Saying, “I’d like to prevent unintended pregnancies, and so we should make contraception more available” is a whole lot different than saying, “Abortion is awful, and that’s why we should make contraception more available.” Just because most people recognize that abortion is often a last-resort choice that no women want to be in a positition of having to make doesn’t mean that it’s inherently “bad.” No one wants to be in the position to have to amputate a limb, or have open-heart surgery, but that doesn’t make those things universally terrible. Further, abortion will always be necessary. Contraception will fail. Women will be raped. Fetal abnormalities will be discovered. Fetuses will die in utero. Pregnant women will have health- and life-threatening complications. No one wants these things to happen, but they do.

And the people who want to see a decrease in the unintended pregnancy rate, and therefore a decrease in the birth rate, by utilizing contraception and sex education are pro-choice. The mainstream “pro-life” groups are the ones hostile to this idea.

Anyway, I think you hit the nail on the head when you suggest, tongue-in-cheek, that the only way to move some people to support contraception is “by reminding them that it prevents something even worse.” That’s exactly what I’m proposing: to pit contraception squarely against abortion, not as an offstage concession but as our central message. A lot of people who yawn at contraception when it’s part of a campaign to reduce teen pregnancy will wake up in a hurry when it’s part of a campaign to reduce abortions.

…so we should shame women into using contraception, by telling them that if they don’t, they’ll have to have a terrible, awful abortion and aren’t they stupid. Sounds great. As usual, Pollitt responds much better than I ever could:

After I sent off my entry yesterday afternoon I asked myself: What exactly are Will and I arguing about? We both agree, after all, that it’s better not to have an unwanted pregnancy in the first place than to have an abortion, we both agree that America needs lots more birth control and lots more realistic sex education. We both want emergency contraception to be widely available over the counter. We both want men to take more responsibility—to use condoms, for example. If you and I were actually designing policy, I’m guessing we’d see the practical piece much the same way: Ramp up that funding! Build those clinics! Make health insurance companies pay for birth control like they pay for Viagra. We’d ask stern questions about how that male pill is coming along and about when we might see some new options for women. We’d look at the experience of countries with lower rates of unwanted pregnancy, teen births, and abortion (every other Western industrialized nation); we’d interview experts and study the literature, we’d set up a bunch of pilot programs to see what worked best with what sub-populations.

And then would come the ad campaign. Mine would have pictures of cheerful girls and women: “At my local Saletan clinic, the doctors are great and birth control is free! They really took time with me and answered all my questions. Best of all, I can call anytime and talk to a nurse in total privacy. Thanks to Saletan, I’ll have a baby when I’m ready—but not till then.” Yours would show a spiky-haired, pierced, and tattooed girl looking sullen and miserable: “I stayed out all night and forgot to take my Pill. Now I’m having an abortion and it’s totally my fault. Go on, hate me, I deserve it! If only I’d listened to the doctors at Saletan.” Or maybe you could have a picture of a stern-looking nun standing in front of an abortion clinic: “Birth Control: Because Purgatory’s better than Hell.”

Word, Katha.

When you, Will, think about preventing unwanted pregnancy, you think about how to sell contraception to a polling demographic that already supports it but for some reason I still don’t get, need the extra oomph of being able to make rather harsh judgments about women who have unwanted pregnancies and abortions. When I think about unwanted pregnancy I think about it as an issue in women’s lives. I think about what women need to control their fertility, to have the kids they want and not have the kids they don’t want. On that, there isn’t going to be one simple answer. Obviously, there’s the medical piece: For millions of women, affordable, easily accessible reproductive health care does not exist; they don’t get the individualized, consistent care those fortunate enough to have a personal gynecologist or the use of an excellent college health service take for granted. But there’s a social and economic piece, too: poverty, sexual violence, and coercion, family dysfunction, not thinking you have much of a future anyway, sexual Puritanism. Ideally, unmarried women are not supposed to have sex: Sex is bad. Teenage sex is doubly bad (but only for girls). That is why so many women who themselves had kids too soon and mourn their lost opportunities don’t talk to their daughters about sex except to say don’t have any; they may preach and plead and warn, but they don’t get them birth control, they don’t help them be both sexual and safe. Nor, since we need to keep men in the picture here, do they, or the men in their lives, talk to their sons about condoms. At the family level, there is just huge denial. I’ve met plenty of mothers in my own educated, urban, secular social class who will say things like, “I don’t think my kid is having sex,” or, “I think my kid may have started having sex,” and they kind of lower their voice, as if they’re afraid someone might overhear them. And the mothers are, in my experience, much more clued in than the dads, who hand off the whole area of sexuality to their wives.

And I feel the need to highlight her final paragraph, because it’s one of the best pro-choice statements I’ve ever read:

You ask what my own view of abortion is. I think the meaning of abortion is what the woman says it is: For a woman who wants a child but can’t have this one it can be sad; for a woman who doesn’t want a baby, it can feel like a huge relief, like having your whole life given back to you. Negative feelings—the sense of the road not taken, that maybe you would have wanted to take had life been different, the feeling that you chose yourself instead of the baby-to-be and maybe that means you are not a good woman, the feeling that you messed up somehow—are often confused with morality, but they are not the same. Morality has to do with rights and duties and obligations between people. So, no: I do not think terminating a pregnancy is wrong. A potential person is not a person, any more than an acorn is an oak tree. I don’t think women should have to give birth just because a sperm met an egg. I think women have the right to consult their own wishes, needs, and capacities and produce only loved, wanted children they can care for—or even no children at all. I think we would all be better off as a society if we respected women’s ability to make these decisions for themselves and concentrated on caring well for the born. There is certainly enough work there to keep us all very busy.


36 thoughts on Saletan v. Pollitt

  1. Further, abortion will always be necessary. Contraception will fail. Women will be raped. Fetal abnormalities will be discovered. Fetuses will die in utero. Pregnant women will have health- and life-threatening complications. No one wants these things to happen, but they do.

    Not quite, actually. Rapists will want women to be raped. Women who are prevented from getting abortions by restrictive laws will want to miscarry. Perhaps some of them will wish for a health complication to get them over some legal hurdle (i.e. parental consent). And I’m certain there are at least a few rabid anti-choicers who hope that contraception will fail so that the evil fornicating sluts are punished with pregnancy.

    OK, nitpicking done.

  2. I’m highly (HIGHLY) pro-choice, but I don’t think it’s easy to say as Pollitt does that “we would all be better off as a society if we respected women’s ability to make these decisions for themselves.” There’s more at stake (even to many “enlightened” people) than whether women have the ability or not to make good decisions. The following was part of a post from my blog: “I’m not fooled by the legions of anti-abortion activists who are clearly motivated by a traditionalist vision of gender norms. It can’t be a coincidence that the majority of people I know who act for social change and equality are “pro-choice,” while the majority of “pro-lifers” yearn for a return to some patriarchal nirvana. But for many people, like my friends, the debate can’t be divorced from their beliefs about what a fetus is. And to them, it’s not a clump of cells but a baby—a life—and their progressive views, their liberal activism, their yearning for personal freedom from society’s strictures can’t legitimate the termination of that life. And to me, it’s not a baby—not a life—but a clump of cells with some potential—if I choose—to become more. I support choice. I’ve worked for choice. But the line between my friends and me is not the line between liberal and conservative or pro-woman and anti-woman, but the line across which we believe life begins.” You can read the rest of this post at .

  3. I’m probably closer to you and Pollitt than to Saletan on the question of moral weight, but I really don’t see this exchange as anything like a smackdown. Saletan’s characterization of it–that they agree on pretty much everything, policy-wise, so it really *is* just an empirical question of how to sell it–sounds pretty fair. Pollitt is legitimately concerned that if pro-choicers give an inch on abortion being a morally weighty act, we’ll lose ground politically, both in the short run and because it will only add to the general slut-shaming ethos that supports control of female sexuality; Saletan thinks that since most people already *believe* it’s morally weighty, we’ve got little to lose and a lot to gain, and that it might force people to confront the tradeoffs between sexist concerns about controlling women and their professed concerns about babykilling. But this is surely a complicated question of political psychology that can’t be settled by assertions or even (static) polling data. Might it not be at least worth a try, at least, say, at the level of a single state? A test campaign in Alabama or something?

  4. Also, the paragraph you highlighted is very good in some ways, but also quite problematic–and possibly not a winner, PR-wise–because of how it defines morality: “rights and duties and obligations between people.” A lot of people find this sort of moral legalism–everything that isn’t about conclusory -rights- is ipso facto not a moral concern–repulsive; it seems to entirely ignore the idea of a morality of aspiration, of ideals, that for many is as essential a part of the concept as the morality of duty. Now I agree that state coercion *really should* be limited to the morality of duty (and only a narrow subset thereof!), but I’m just saying … I wouldn’t print up T-shirts of that paragraph, at least not unedited.

  5. because of how it defines morality: “rights and duties and obligations between people.” A lot of people find this sort of moral legalism–everything that isn’t about conclusory -rights- is ipso facto not a moral concern–repulsive; it seems to entirely ignore the idea of a morality of aspiration, of ideals, that for many is as essential a part of the concept as the morality of duty

    If I am to understand your assertion correctly, you basically are underlining the most fundamental ideaological differences perceived to exist between the religious right and the ‘liberal left’.

    But, if I may dip my toe in the water here, I have to disagree. I think that liberal concept of ‘human rights’ has much origination and much mileage in fundamentalist christianity. To recognize curb ones’ personal views in order to value the experience and needs of others, even if differing at times from your own is indeed a ‘duty’ that seems to me the foundation of christianity as well as liberal thought.

    To frame the ‘abortion’ debate in that sense would sell I believe, if the difference were as stated above and nothing else. The fact is though that the fundamentalist protestants have at the core of their practice a very basic mysoginist interpretation of the new testament and will not be ‘sold’ on any pure interpretation of the new testament as it relates to human rights. I mention protestants here because they do have a long history of virulent mysoginy. Interestingly, the Catholic church reacts to women in a slightly different way, perceiving the women’s body as a sacredness, almost holiness. Therefore, although they both support patriarchy , they do in slightly different shades and from my observation, it is the fundamentialist protestants who make up the more virulent forms of the political right and opposition to women’s rights on a whole.

    Since most of our culture is christian, either protestent or catholic, the problem that I see is that the general public seems swayed by guilt. This small minority has taken most of the soapbox by appealing to deep seated christian guilt that lies dormant in even the most populist parts of our culture. Also, deepseated cultural mysoginy tends to leave those who push on the side of choice as tarnished, non obedient women whose voices are not heard anyway.

    I don’t know how to tackle the issue to gain full public support, or that frankly, we need to have everyone on board on this. History has shown, especially in this society, that some issues that present deep flaws into our supposed ‘freedoms’ will never win popular support. THe mob should not always rule, the popular is not always right. It is a shame that the poll culture has seemingly pushed the end of leaders who will, in interest of doing the right thing, do sometimes that which is widely unpopular among those in power, such as the 1964 Civil Rights Act, or the Emancipation Proclamation.

    Although women make up about 52% of the population last I heard, they make up only a small minority of the real power brokers in this culture. They do not enjoy equal status, power or safety as persons in their own right. As such, in my mind, the effort to engender popular support for women’s reproductive self determination cannot succeed, not right now at least.

    Cultural mores that keep the patriarchy in place will overrule time and time again. Not until the patriarchy has weakened significantly or is replaced by a non-gender, diverse cultural platform, will we see women having full reproductive rights, without question or judgement.

    In other words, ‘duty’ as viewed presently in our culture when referring to women has everything to do with deferrment of self interest to preserve the patriarchy in contrast to the fundamental duty to ones’ self and the health and safety of all people. This principle lies in contrast to my interpretation of christian teachings, but unfortunately does not reflect the popular mysoginy developed to keep the patriarchy in place.

    I have come to the conclusion over the years that women’s reproductive choice is so anathema to patriarchy as to threaten its legitimacy (which is already threatened by women’s continued progression forward). Denial of reproductive control is the patriarchy’s last holdout.

    I think we’d have an easier time moving a mountain with a spoon.

  6. Just to clarify–I’m not saying the morality of aspiration is everything, or even that anyone else thinks so. I’m simply saying that many people think that any conception of morality that doesn’t have *both* an aspirational *and* an obligatory component is missing something crucial. Does -anyone- really think there’s nothing ‘moral’ about those who go above and beyond what’s morally required–running into burning buildings to save babies and kittens, giving away most of their money to those less fortunate, etc.?

  7. I had this response all ready to go and then Amanda beat me to it… and put it much more eloquently than I could. So, I’ll just tag on a little bit… I think when we try to say “you must have this view of abortion or you are the bad guy” it’s counterproductive. I have recently become pro-choice, after much self reflection and aksing myself hard questions that I had refused to answer before. However, it hasn’t changed my views on when life starts or whether or not abortion is a procedure I would have. I still fully believe that life begins at conception and therefore abortion is not a choice for me. While I respect another woman’s choice to not to carry a pregnancy to term, because it is her body, health and life that are at risk and not mine, I would still like to see the abortion rate decrease for several reasons. 1) It is an invasive medical procedure and as such is expensive and I’m guessing not a whole lot of fun. In the same way I support open heart surgery, but it’s expensive and not fun…. therefore, I think using it as a last resort is a good thing. Same principle 2) Nobody wants to have an unexpected/unwanted pregnancy… I’ve been there, it sucks. I think sparing as many people that situation as possible is a good thing. 3) Being pregnant is not fun even when you want the baby… I can’t imagine it with a baby I didn’t want (My unplanned pregnancy ended in miscarriage). Even if it is only a short time, the first trimester is the worst (in my opinion) and the symptoms start fairly early on. 4) Because of my own selfish views on abortion. I, and a good number of pro-choice people I know, support legal abortion while still believing that it is the ending of a human life. I am actually trying to think of a single pro-choice person I know (other than you guys) who doesn’t believe that and coming up short. I don’t think it makes us the bad guys though… we still support legalized abortion, we don’t judge women who have abortions, because we realize they and they alone have the right to decide what happens to their body and we want all the same things. We just have a different view of when life begins.

  8. I’ve worked for choice. But the line between my friends and me is not the line between liberal and conservative or pro-woman and anti-woman, but the line across which we believe life begins.”

    Regardless of when life begins, how is it entitled to another person’s body? We don’t give *living* people that right, even if they’d die without it—why should fetuses, human or not, have automatically what a 30-year-old accident victim or a 5-year-old leukemia patient has to get a *willing* donor for?

  9. why should fetuses, human or not, have automatically what a 30-year-old accident victim or a 5-year-old leukemia patient has to get a *willing* donor for?

    Because without a right to homestead someone’s body one time per lifespan, nobody gets born and the species dies out.

    The fetus sets up shop without asking. Oh, you may decide that you’re willing to have it there – but it didn’t ask. In fact, it’s not a competent moral actor; it couldn’t understand the argument even if it could hear it. The “right”, therefore – to the extent that we can discuss a non-moral actor having rights – flows as a natural consequence of our reproductive biology.

    It is within our power to override the sovereignty of nature, and to extirpate the life that temporarily colonizes the inside of a woman. It has not yet been demonstrated that societies which collectively exercise that power are able to continue forward into the future.

  10. Squatters can be evicted, you know. That doesn’t mean there aren’t high occupancy rates otherwise.

    Some species can terminate their own pregnancies by either expelling their uteruses or absorbing the fetuses in times of famine or danger (didn’t you ever read Watership Down?), so Nature recognizes that there are times when allowing a pregnancy to go forward would not serve the species because it would be too costly.

  11. It has not yet been demonstrated that societies which collectively exercise that power are able to continue forward into the future.

    This statement assumes that this society has just recently invented the concept of abortion: a common lie that ignores history and attempts to blame the ‘women’s libbers’ for the abortion issue.

    Historic references abound, including in the bible where a women will ‘purge her womb of the child’ or whatever language. Hell, when Spanish monks landed in early America they made comments of how the native women would terminate a pregnancy they didn’t want by taking herbal potions.

    I think wars and famine has killed more of our species than abortions.

    It is an interesting thought though that comes to my mind. Do some pro-lifers harbor the idea that pregnancy is so repugnant to most women that if given the choice to termintate they would? That the desire to ‘make a family’ is strictly a masculine urge that must be foisted upon women against their will?

    Also, take modern China which has a pretty widely available abortion policy as I understand. Still, they procreate and have families in spite of their ability to terminate pregnancies easily and cheaply. As a matter of fact, it is common knowledge that peasant families often produce more thant the allowable number of children, in spite of the possible consequences.

    I think the tests are all in and the ability to terminate pregnancy hasn’t made any women abort constantly, at whim or in such large numbers as to threaten the species.

  12. Because without a right to homestead someone’s body one time per lifespan, nobody gets born and the species dies out.

    So in essence you’re denying that women even voluntarily give birth and without forcing women at gunpoint to give birth, our species will die out? Interesting. Most women I know who have babies wanted them.

    You have children, right? How did you force your wife to have them? Did you lock her in the house so she couldn’t escape and abort her pregnancy?

  13. The fetus is not an active agent, Robert. Don’t be disingenous. Women have minds and wills, blastocysts do not.

    And what is this nobody said anything about being forced by outsiders? That’s the biggest load of horseshit I’ve read all day. This post is about laws banning abortion, which means that this post is about forcing women to bear children at the end of a gun. If that’s not outsiders forcing themselves on women, then what is?

  14. If the fetus is not an active agent, how does it implant itself? Does someone reach up in there with a tube of sticky glue?

    Fetuses homestead wombs. We have the power to make them stop, or to kick them out once they’re in there.

  15. Well, Amanda, since fetuses can’t talk, write press releases, file legal briefs, circulate oxygen throughout their bloodstream without assistance from their host-woman, think, print giant posters of their own dead, or moralize, they’ve organized and appointed several spokes-active-agents to do their dirty work. Rick Santorum can talk to fetuses. I mean that literally. They’re on his speed-dial, right after God.

  16. Ha! I just got a mental image of Robert pulling used tampons out of the trash and lining them up on a shelf, each with a little name and perhaps a personality assigned to it on an index card. Who will speak for the voiceless? The potential babies snuffed out and left to rot on pieces of cotton?

    If the fetus is not an active agent, how does it implant itself? Does someone reach up in there with a tube of sticky glue?

    Do you also believe that when you eat, the food wills itself though your digestive system, wills itself into shit, and forces its way into the world?

  17. If the fetus is not an active agent, how does it implant itself? Does someone reach up in there with a tube of sticky glue?

    High school biology, Robert — the Fallopian tube pushes the fertilized egg into the uterus, where, with luck, it will hit the nice cushy lining waiting for it and thus begin the process by which both the uterus and the zygote work on the implantation so that the zygote can become an embryo, and only then a fetus. If luck is not with the zygote, the zygote gets flushed out of the woman’s body and there is no pregnancy.

  18. What does will have to do with it?

    Not all outcomes are the result of choice and will. There are systemic events and processes which simply happen, unwilled. Fetal development, like digestion, is one such process.

    If my position was becoming as untenable as yours is, I’d probably replace analysis with snark, too. It can’t be easy.

  19. Not all outcomes are the result of choice and will. There are systemic events and processes which simply happen, unwilled. Fetal development, like digestion, is one such process.

    But what you’re missing is that the zygote has no means of getting to the uterus without the cooperation of the woman’s body. So it’s not an active agent, it’s quite a passive one. In fact, it doesn’t do much of anything until fate and chance and the actions of the Fallopian tubes get it into the lining of the uterus. Then and only then can the zygote begin to develop, nourished by the mother’s body.

  20. But what you’re missing is that the zygote has no means of getting to the uterus without the cooperation of the woman’s body. So it’s not an active agent, it’s quite a passive one.

    OK then. That answers the original question:

    Regardless of when life begins, how is it entitled to another person’s body?

    The answer would appear to be that since the life didn’t come into being without your cooperation, your cooperation is what creates the entitlement.

    There, that wasn’t so hard.

  21. Who’s forcing, Amanda? Does the fetus have a little Uzi, and he’s grabbing an ovary and saying “push me into the uterus, tube, or the bitch gets it!”

  22. Robert, the things is, in a way, yes.

    Even though I know that’s not what Amanda means by forced childbirth, and I know you know that too, it’s important to not forget that, in order for pregnancy to continue past implantation, the fetus must trigger a chemical reaction in the mother in order to force her immune system to stop doing what it’s supposed to do: eject the foreign body that has invaded her uterus.

    It’s important to remember this not because children are demonic creatures that suck the life out of their parents – depends on the kid 😉 – but because we like to wrap pregnancy and childbirth (and motherhood) around warm fuzzies and cuddlies rather than admit that they are the ordeals that they so obviously are.

  23. Note to the state the obvious: this does not make fetus an active agent with motives and rights – it’s all just chemistry.

    Cancer does something similar, but no one ever talks about tumors as if they have human motives and rights.

    The only reasons to assume that a zygote is different from a bunch of cancer cells is that one believes that a zygote has a soul or to pretend that possibilities are the same as actualities.

    The first is a religious argument – and it may make sense to occasionaly legislate particular types of morality, but we aren’t supposed to enforce religious beliefs, and doing so in this case is contradictory to other laws on the books (we don’t force parents to give blood, etc. – and if zygotes have souls, ten year olds certainly do as well) and has a whole host of other problems as well.

    The second is just ludicrous and convoluted and only exists to pretend that controlling women’s reproductive choices is moral on anything other than religious grounds. If possibilities were the same as actualities, we’d have no reason to not regulate thoughts and feelings rather than just deeds.

  24. The answer would appear to be that since the life didn’t come into being without your cooperation, your cooperation is what creates the entitlement.

    My body also cooperates in making turds, which may or may not be sent through my system in a timely fashion.

    My body would also cooperate in creating a tubal pregnancy, which will definitely kill the zygote and could probably kill me. Is the zygote entitled to that real estate?

    And speaking of the real estate analogy, you never addressed the squatter issue. Sure, squatters might establish rights after a certain point, but up to that point, they don’t change the landlord’s right to the property.

  25. Who’s forcing, Amanda? Does the fetus have a little Uzi, and he’s grabbing an ovary and saying “push me into the uterus, tube, or the bitch gets it!”

    I do believe you are advocating for a ban on abortion. If abortion is banned, the police will be the ones forcing, and, if I remember correctly, the police enforce the law at gunpoint.

  26. I do believe you are advocating for a ban on abortion.

    Nope.

    I’ve floated the idea of a partial abortion ban, hypothetically, as part of a natalist package that also puts family life on a socialist footing, but that’s not a serious proposition, just an idea. I’ve never been in favor of simply banning abortion.

  27. OK, if you don’t support a ban on abortion then what are we arguing about? You agree abortion should be legal, right?

    I don’t think you need worry about Homo Sapiens dying off because of abortion on demand. There are a lot of women who want children, I’m just not one of them.

    So be of good cheer, equal rights for women will not bring down civilization. In fact it will improve it greatly I would wager.

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