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Distancing Roe from Griswold

Jessica is liveblogging the Alito hearings and every major news outlet is covering it. We’ve established, not surprisingly, that Alito is being completely non-committal in his responses about the right to privacy and abortion rights. He says he’ll keep an open mind, but that the Supreme Court does have the right to overturn precedent. Thanks for the info, it’s been very enlightening.

But when I wandered on over to Townhall , I found this interesting tidbit:

He gave similar neutral, noncommittal answers to questions involving other cases supporting an implied “right of privacy” in the Constitution. In fact, what was more important than Judge Alito’s answers on Griswold v. Connecticut (the 1965 case that first announced the implied constitutional “right of privacy”) was what he did not say. He said that Griswold “is now understood” to be based on the liberty clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. But that is not how it was originally understood. Griswold was a “right of privacy” case, and the Supreme Court based Roe v. Wade’s“right to abortion” on Griswold. Judge Alito said the constitutional foundation for Griswold has shifted. If that is true, then how does that affect the foundation of Roe v. Wade? Also, Judge Alito said he supported the result of Eisenstadt v. Baird, but he said nothing about its expansive reasoning extending Griswold’s implied “right of privacy.”

Emphasis mine.

(Background: Griswold is the Supreme Court case that gave married couples legal access to contraception, and was the first case to explicitly deal with the right to privacy in terms of one’s bodily choices and reproductive system. Roe’s right to abortion was based on this right to privacy)

I’m not sure exactly what Alito is trying to do here. It’s my understanding that Griswold isn’t understood as a strictly 14th amendment case; it’s still the foundation for the right to privacy, as it was when it was decided. There are certainly strong 14th Amendment elements in it, but to say that its Constitutional foundation has shifted strikes me as a little dishonest — and I’m wondering why he’s doing it. My first reaction is that he’s making a concerted effort to distance Griswold from Roe. The vast majority of Americans would be none to pleased to find out that a potential Supreme Court justice didn’t feel it was their right to access contraception, even though the broader attack on reproductive rights and personal privacy certainly encompasses contraception; abortion, on the other hand, has been at the forefront of this debate for a long time. A justice opposing the decision in Roe, or refusing to give an opinion on it, is more familiar and a lot more palatable — he doesn’t come across as the extremist that an anti-Griswold judge would, despite the fact that those cases deal with the exact same Constitutional issue.

Alito seems to be searching for a way to get rid of Roe without shaking its popular predecessors. That is not a good sign. If anyone has seen any other articles or posts about this, send ’em my way.


18 thoughts on Distancing Roe from Griswold

  1. I posted some quotes from his opening remarks yesterday. He’s answering the questions satisfactorily as in I think he’s gonna get confirmed. It will be Repub’s vs. Dem’s and since there are more of the former….they can still use the Nuclear Option right?

    I don’t like how he’s answering them, but he has 15 years of “Judicial Philosophy” behind him that the Repub’s support. I’m not liking the difference between the questioning tactics/strategies the parties are using either. Repub’s are all friendly like and the Dem’s look like the bad people.

  2. I’m not sure exactly what Alito is trying to do here.

    To make shit up because a majority of Americans don’t want to lose their birth control (i.e., overturn Griswold). Conservative judicial activism at its finest–hey, Roe may have SAID it’s a right of privacy, but that was, like, when it was decided, so now let’s make up some other basis and ignore what the Roe court actually said!

  3. To make shit up because a majority of Americans don’t want to lose their birth control

    Ah, easy peasy then. Since a majority doesn’t want it, and we have a representative legislature, their state laws will reflect this preference.

  4. Repub’s are all friendly like and the Dem’s look like the bad people.

    That is a big problem the Dems have right now, to people in the middle the leadership looks alot like the rabid pack of loonies that Newt rode to power. Not in the platform, but in the zealotry and hyperbole.

  5. Senator’s Leahy, Kennedy and Biden have been the joke throughout the news because they talked more than they asked questions. That does make it look like Dem’s are doing a good job. As Katie Couric said this morning, “They like to hear the sound of their own voice.” But if she had remembered correctly, when it was Roberts turn, those same Senators zinged him on several issues.

    (Hey, if all else fails, at least the Dem’s have got 3 Senators who would be good at a filibuster.)

  6. Robert, the state laws probably won’t change outside of Mississippi, but Americans don’t like being told “You had a right to something, you got used to that right, now it’s on suffereance from your state Lege.”

    One also wonders why Alito doesn’t take the honest-conservative position of opposing Griswold, secure in the knowledge that easy-peasy laws won’t keep Americans from getting their condoms.

  7. Alito also has a problem with the whole issue of privacy because of his prior support for wiretapping and the fact that a majority of Americans (I believe a substantial one at that) think that the Administration should have gotten warrants before wiretapping anyone in the US.

    Griswold can be explained away as a privacy case, while Roe has all the baby-killing connotations.

  8. “Ah, easy peasy then. Since a majority doesn’t want it, and we have a representative legislature, their state laws will reflect this preference.”

    Yes–if your knowledge of how the American state works comes from a really bad elementary school civics textbook. The actual government we have is in fact counter- or non- majoritarian in many respects (which is why extremely unpopular laws banning contraception were still on the books to be struck down in the first place.).

  9. Wow. I didn’t hear that part of his testimony. Of course the headlines just said “Alito agrees with Griswald”. I can’t remember the facts in Griswald. Didn’t it involve birth control being mailed to a home, hence the “right to privacy” remarks by Alito?

  10. As I recall, “Griswald” concerned the right of a man who has endured great suffering in an attempt to bring his family to a theme park to obtain access, ride the rides, and just generally be a swell dad.

  11. Griswold was about the right of a married couple to obtain contraception from a clinic. Connecticut law barred the sale of contraception. It started the use of the term “right to privacy” to refer to a right, not explicit in the text of the Constitution but implicit in the system of liberties established by the Bill of Rights — freedom from searches in our homes and papers, freedom of expression and to practice our religious, freedom from intrusion by government troops boarded in our houses (forgot that one, didn’t you?), etc.

    I think Jill has it right — admitting that one doubts Griswold would be fatal, so he’s trying to save it; but the conservatives can neither tolerate the procedural nor substantive result: they hate it because it is the very cornerstone of flexible reading of the Constitution, saying that the document has a cohesive theory to it from which can be extrapolated rights that are not in the plain text (especially the kind of rights that permit people’s private conduct to be free of interference by meddling religious bluenoses); and it grants a right to contraception the purpose of which is to separate sex from some of its biological consequences and make it solely about pleasure and intimacy. Alito I think rightly realizes that the second can’t be changed, and instead wants to say that Griswold reaches its conclusion through different reasoning, invalidating both the result and methodology of Roe.

  12. Thomas–although the actual effect of the CT statute was to stop Planned Parenthood clincs from operating, the statute itself actually banned the use of contraception, not just the sale.

  13. A couple of fine points:

    The Connecticut statute did not explicitly ban the sale of contraceptives, only the use. The doctor was convicted (and thus had standing to challenge the law) of a statute that said that “‘[a]ny person who assists, abets, counsels, causes, hires or commands another to commit any offense may be prosecuted and punished as if he were the principal offender.'” Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 480 (1965).

    Also, there was really no discussion on bodily integrity; that came later. The Court based its decision primarily on the right of association, and how that (along with the privacy implications inherent in other rights) created a right to privacy in one’s home. Privacy made other rights possible. To have the government intrude on it, by prosecuting for using contraceptive in this case, was intolerable.

  14. From a nut: Senator’s Leahy, Kennedy and Biden have been the joke throughout the news because they talked more than they asked questions.

    Really? One more nail in the “liberal media” coffin, then. Did they even listen to Brownback, Hatch, Sessions, or Kyl? I don’t even want to think about how long I listened to Brownback rhapsodizing about how Roe “wasn’t settled law” and how Plessy showed that even precedents could be overturned.

  15. Thank you Scott. That’s what I get for doing this from memory. Next time I’ll re-read the case before I spout off.

  16. It’s also worth noting that Griswold dealt only with the privacy of married couples. It wasn’t until Eisenstadt v. Baird that the privacy rights of unmarried people was recognized.

  17. But it was Griswold and Eisenstadt that ‘created’ the right to privacy–not Roe, as pro-lifers who have never read either will claim. You can’t destroy the basis of Roe without destroying the right of privacy, unless you are a lying sack of shit who pretends that the Roe court wasn’t relying on that precedent after all. Not that I’m naming names or anything.

    An intellectually and morally honest pro-lifer would simply argue that the state’s interest in fetal life outweighs the mother’s privacy interest.

  18. An intellectually and morally honest pro-lifer

    When was the last time you saw one of those going through confirmation hearings? Probably not since Bork — and of course, the extremism of his views, laid out for the world to see, was what did him in.

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