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“Conservative Values” at Princeton

By now, most people have read about Samuel Alito’s membership in the racist, sexist Concerned Alumni of Princeton group. While his membership is notable — what kind of decent person remains in such a heinous organization, even if they weren’t particularly active? — what I think is more interesting is the conservative reaction to his membership.

In an interview, [Laura] Ingraham said liberal groups were making too much of Judge Alito’s membership. “Stop the presses!” she said. “Sam Alito, a conservative, was once a member of a conservative Princeton alumni group.”

Mr. D’Souza said supporters of Concerned Alumni were motivated by a fear that “traditional values” at Princeton had come under attack, but their specific concerns varied from academic standards to the athletic program. Judge Alito’s support for the group “might tell you something,” he said, “but it is hard to know what.”

So what are the “conservative” and “traditional” values that Concerned Alumni sought to uphold?

The group had been founded in 1972, the year that Judge Alito graduated, by alumni upset that Princeton had recently begun admitting women. It published a magazine, Prospect, which persistently accused the administration of taking a permissive approach to student life, of promoting birth control and paying for abortions, and of diluting the explicitly Christian character of the school.

As Princeton admitted a growing number of minority students, Concerned Alumni charged repeatedly that the administration was lowering admission standards, undermining the university’s distinctive traditions and admitting too few children of alumni. “Currently alumni children comprise 14 percent of each entering class, compared with an 11 percent quota for blacks and Hispanics,” the group wrote in a 1985 fund-raising letter sent to all Princeton graduates.

and

A pamphlet for parents suggested that “racial tensions” and loose oversight of campus social life were contributing to a spike in campus crime. A brochure for Princeton alumni warned, “The unannounced goal of the administration, now achieved, of a student population of approximately 40 percent women and minorities will largely vitiate the alumni body of the future.”

and

When the administration proposed a new system of residential colleges with their own dining halls, Prospect denounced the idea as a potential threat to the system of eating clubs. The magazine charged that, like affirmative action, the plan was “intended to create racial harmony.”

Prospect portrayed the proposal as an effort to end the de facto segregation of the campus in which black students were concentrated in one dormitory and mostly did not belong to the clubs. “Doubtless, there will be many who regard this as mere stalling, and prejudice by another name,” an unsigned 1982 editorial argued in defense of the magazine’s position. “If realistic approaches to problems must be called dirty names because we do not like them, well, there is no remedy for it.”

Glad to see that at least some conservatives will look at racism, sexism and bigotry and call them out for what they are: “traditional conservative values.”


60 thoughts on “Conservative Values” at Princeton

  1. The magazine charged that, like affirmative action, the plan was “intended to create racial harmony.”

    Yes, God forbid an institution of higher learning attempt to create or promote racial harmony.

  2. Too bad abortion can’t be retroactive. This blog presents two empty-headed candidates right off the bat.

  3. Randall, that’s a contemptible thing to say. You may disagree with Lauren and Jill; God knows I do, about everything under the sun. That doesn’t excuse a hateful and despicable comment like this one, though. Shame on you.

  4. Compare…

    A pamphlet for parents suggested that “racial tensions” and loose oversight of campus social life were contributing to a spike in campus crime.

    and

    The magazine charged that, like affirmative action, the plan was “intended to create racial harmony.”

    So, racial tension is bad, but racial harmony is worse. Good to know.

  5. Too bad abortion can’t be retroactive.

    So are you the president of the National Right to Life League, or just your local chapter?

  6. Too bad abortion can’t be retroactive. This blog presents two empty-headed candidates right off the bat.

    Wow…I think you need your meds adjusted, Sparky! That skipped over nasty and went right to vicious. Why don’t you go back to pulling the wings off flies or whatever it is you do in your spare time?

  7. “Sure, Alito was a member of the KKK, but you liberals are reading too much into it. It’s not like he’s a racist or anything, he was just looking for an excuse to wear white after Labour Day.”

  8. Sophist, substitute “Byrd” for “Alito” and you’ve got a valid statement.

    Pretty good link here to both sides of the question from the Daily Princetonian.

    Coeducation and Racial Integration are two topics that have (and probably always will be) debated as to their efficacy in improving the big picture of public grade-school and postsecondary education, but Conservatives have been unfairly vilified for resisting both, when their intent was to preserve the standards of education that existed before those circumstances were mandated. Did both need to be implemented? Certainly. Should they have been implemented at any cost, forsaking the educational standards that preceded them? No. In the rush to implement Coeducation and Racial Integration, however, concessions were unnecessarily made (which happen to reflect the biases of the advocates of both) that diminished the quality of public education at all levels.

    In short, an excellent destination, a very poor path.

    As to the “retroactive abortion” comment, I understand that Randall was far too modest to mention himself by name, but I’m curious: who is the other candidate?

  9. I want to say something mean to Randall, but I am still laughing about his name! Thats so clever!

    Leave it to a conservative (assclown) to make a clumsy and inappropriate (joke?) (threat?) about two intellegent people’s retroactive abortions and do it while using a play on a name of someone who encouraged murders of abortion doctors!

    Who said conservatives weren’t funny?

    As for Alito, his membership in a group that thought that racial harmony was not a worthy goal when compared to a smoke filled room of white males is par for the course when you consider that he has a problem with the concept of one persone one vote. [For the record, if you follow that link, I’m not sure I agree with Nathan Newman and Ruth Bader Ginsburg about Roe, but I’m willing to hear the argument.]

    In sum, while I think Alito’s previous affiliation with a group like CAP is disgusting, more frightening is the ideological time bomb that he would become on the court for abortion, gay rights, and VOTING.

  10. I was really expecting a smoking gun here, but this is pretty disappointing. We don’t personally have Alito on record as saying anything “racist”, “sexist”, or “bigoted”, but hey, he nominally belonged to some obscure group, in which no one can remember him participating, that promoted some policies that some liberals think are sexist and bigoted, so therefore, we can just attribute all those qualities to him. Let’s see what we’ve got here.

    – CAP was opposed to racial quotas in higher education. If that’s racist, then so is the majority of our Supreme Court, including O’Connor, whom Alito is to replace, and who, according to various elected Democrats, sets the standard for Justicedom. See Gratz v. Bollinger. At least he’ll be in good company.

    – CAP was concerned about Princeton going co-ed. Before feminists start bashing this as evil and sexist, maybe they should read this article. Are the protestors at Wells College sexist? Or do they get a pass on that because opposing co-education is okay if you’re a woman?

    – CAP was opposed to some modification in the eating system at Princeton. What did this change entail? We have no idea, the article doesn’t go into specifics, and all we have is some out-of-context quotes from a CAP publication.

    Maybe CAP is some horrible racist organization, and maybe Alito is secretly a racist and a sexist. But neither of those things are apparent from this article. Calling Alito a racist or a sexist based on his membership in this group is about as legitimate as calling Ruth Bader Ginsburg a baby-killer or a communist because she was general counsel to the ACLU.

  11. Sophist, substitute “Byrd” for “Alito” and you’ve got a valid statement.

    I wasn’t trying to make a statement about Alito as much as I was riffing on the way that conservatives (and liberals too, in their turn) dismiss every facet of “their” judge’s life as meaninless and totally unrevealing.

  12. As for Alito, his membership in a group that thought that racial harmony was not a worthy goal when compared to a smoke filled room of white males is par for the course when you consider that he has a problem with the concept of one persone one vote.

    Oh no- not only does Alito hate minorities and women (and probably kittens and puppies, too), he hates democracy itself! Actually, no. UCLA law prof Stephen Bainbridge tears down this latest shibboleth.

  13. You want to see Alito really pissed off, you find yourself a mixed-race female kitten who wants to vote.

    He’ll chew through his briefing books, he will.

  14. is about as legitimate as calling Ruth Bader Ginsburg a baby-killer or a communist because she was general counsel to the ACLU

    If the ACLU was founded on advocacy of communism or infanticide at the time when Justice Ginsberg belonged to it, it would be perfectly reasonable to suspect her of sharing those views.

  15. I guess it is a matter of perspective but I don’t see anything obviously sexist or racist in any of the positions taken by this group.

    Racial quotas are silly and patently unfair. In the grand scheme of things they might seem like a great idea but how would you feel if you were denied a spot in University because you were white? Or how would you feel if you found out that the only reason you were admitted was because you are a minority? These kinds of systems ignore the human costs which can hugely affect the individuals involved.

    As for objecting to schools going co-ed, there are many studies showing that women do better in all girl schools (or woman schools for University) and there are some more recent studies showing that boys/men do better as well in all boy/men schools. Historically, mens’ universities ended up being the most respected so in this case I don’t see the change as being a negative but living through it at the time, I can see why some were opposed. See Jon C’s link to an all-female school trying to admit men.

    Even the point where “intended to create racial harmony” appears is quite reaching. I have no idea of what an eating club is. I assume that it was a group of people (men at the time) who ate together to network and pick each others’ brains, etc. From the context, the sitting arrangements were reorganized in an effort “intended to create racial harmony”, ie break up the existing groups. That was what they were objecting to. When a school disallows traditions in an attempt at social engineering, obviously some will object. I don’t read this at all as them protesting racial harmony as some people here have suggested. Instead they were protesting a change dictated by the school intended to engineer racial harmony. I imagine that if a school imposed a rule saying you had to eat lunch only with groups representing a cross-section of all races and sexes present it might be helpful. However I can see most students objecting about not eating with who they damn well please.

    I’m rushing here so I haven’t proof-read, please forgive!

  16. Uh, BoDiddly and Jon, you need to go over to Daily Kos and check out some of the quotes Armando found. Scalito’s organization was actually UPHOLDING quotas (Princeton had strict quotas for women) in higher education and warning about the dire consequences of “sex blind” admissions, ie, if men actually had to compete for spots with women, the percentage of women at Princeton would skyrocket. We used to love quotas! See, strict numerical quotas were actually used to discriminate against women and minorities, therefore they were beautiful and righteous in CAP’s eyes. To recap: Quotas are the bedrock of our civilization, they will keep Princeton white and male which is a benefit in itself! Any attempt at sex blind admissions subverts the foundations of America! Hmmm. I wonder if that tune changed after affirmative action started to confer benefits on other groups? You don’t think they bend their principles to protect their privileges, do you? Anyway, Smith is a girls’ school and Howard is a historically black college, so those people are just as sexist and racist! When they were denied admittance to the other schools, they should have just given up! Form your own schools where you can actually go? Bah! Any girl, Jew, black who was kept out of Princeton just because of race or sex could have gone to some other school for their own kind, sure they’d’ve been a lot less likely to have been hired if they’d been competing against someone with an Ivy League degree because all girl or all black school would have been considered jokes by by the mostly white males who were doing the hiring, and everyone considers the Ivy League the best of the best, but so what.

    Calling Alito a racist or a sexist based on his membership in this group is about as legitimate as calling Ruth Bader Ginsburg a baby-killer or a communist because she was general counsel to the ACLU

    That’s a brilliant analogy. If you join an organization such as CAP, which has exactly one goal, to keep your school white and male, it’s silly to call you a racist. That is EXACTLY the same thing as castagating someone for belonging to an organization that has a wide ranging agenda and a huge membership because of one tiny portion of that agenda with which she is not involved and with which she may very well disagree. When Scalito later pimped his membership in CAP for political gain, he wasn’t doing it because he’s a racist or, at best, someone who is willing to use racism and sexism to advance his career. He was there for the refreshments. Best quiche on campus.

  17. I’ve seen many arguments about whether the ACLU is still a communist organization (mostly argued by right-wing extremists) and whether a organization that was founded by a communist should be forever branded as such. However there is no doubt that it was founded by a communist. He later changed his mind, or so he claims but it was founded to advance communism. Do a little research you’ll be surprised.

  18. Of course, the ACLU also disowned communists from leadership positions and says it would prefer not to have communists as members. That never gets mentioned.

  19. Amy, maybe you confused my comment with another.

    I didn’t address whether CAP was for or against quotas, I didn’t even mention quotas, for that matter. I first linked to a write-up that addressed both sides of the CAP/Alito issue. I pointed out that they seemed to have been in favor of keeping the status quo on a system they deemed was working, or at the very least to see that needed changes were done properly. I then proceeded to point to the public education picture as a whole as an example of the damage that can be done when a working system is drastically and quickly reworked for politically charged agenda, stating that the changes that were made were proper and necessary, but that the changes were made improperly.

    The stance taken by CAP seems to be very similar to stances taken by nearly every Alumni organization in the U.S. at some point in the past forty years. Coeducation and Racial Integration was resisted at nearly every “traditional” (yes, that means historically white and male) college campus to some degree, even though that resistance may have been unrecorded in the institutions’ historical archives.

    As to your bias against historically minority institutions, the predominantly black and women’s colleges with which I am most familiar, Tougaloo College and Mississippi University for Women, are both very highly regarded as top schools in the area, no qualifications based upon their demographic being necessary. As a matter of fact, a black person with a degree from Tougaloo or a woman with a degree from “the W” are regarded as being significantly better equipped academically than their counterparts in public universities.

  20. and whether a organization that was founded by a communist should be forever branded as such

    Again, Eric, the debate isn’t whether Alito belonged to an otherwise-respectable organization founded by a wingnut.

    Whether that organization was typical for its time or not, it worked to promote some extremely repugnant views, and Alito was a member.

  21. John C. –

    Prof. Bainbridge, a distinguished professor of Corporate Law at UCLA, lays out several possibilities of how Alito could have made those statements (he does not offer any evidence that any of his theories are Alito’s actual beliefs) and still believe in One Person/One Vote.

    I offered another possibility: He doesn’t believe.

    Because the comment was lone, unqualified and offered utterly without any context (contrary to Prof. Bainbridge), there is no way to know what Alito really meant.

    Until the confirmation hearings; I imagine it may come up.

    BTW, Prof, Bainbridge argues that it is reasonable to believe in One Person/One Vote and to think that it is okay to believe in malapportioned state senate districts. If you believe in malapportioned state senate districts, then you do not believe in One Person/One Vote for state senate districts. They are mutually exclusive.

    You can, however, believe in One Person/One Vote and quibble over what actually is a malapportioned district (as many critics of Baker v. Carr have done) – We simply do not know where Alito stands.

    I betray my worst fears when I blog about it; Pfor, Bainbridge displays his greatest hopes (I assume).

  22. I betray my worst fears when I blog about it; Pfor, Bainbridge displays his greatest hopes (I assume).

    That’s all good and well. But attempting to portray Alito as an extremist by grasping at these kinds of straws is going to backfire, as he’s just going to look that much more even-keeled and mainstream during the hearings.

  23. This isn’t much different from belonging to a country club that excludes Jews and blacks and women as members, or even guests, and lobbying to keep that policy. Most politicians go to great pains to disavow any such connections and hurry to resign before they run. For a present and future judge, holding ultimate power over Constitutional interpretation, to have these connections, is worrying and embarrassing. I would say that one important question would be whether and when he quit the organization.

    Also embarrassing is the emphasis on more legacies (underqualified alumni sons) and fewer of anyone else, including fewer highly qualified non-alumni white men. If you frame it as legacies vs everyone else, you avoid the false dichotomy “legacies vs brown-skinned, presumed to be underqualified, people”.

  24. That’s all good and well. But attempting to portray Alito as an extremist by grasping at these kinds of straws is going to backfire, as he’s just going to look that much more even-keeled and mainstream during the hearings.

    I think the point I was trying to make is kind of getting lost here (not just by you, Jon, by everyone). Yes, it’s relevant that Alito was a part of this organization, but by all accounts he wasn’t a particularlly active member. And while it certainly speaks to his character that he would support this group and even bank on his membership in it, it isn’t necessarily proof that he’s a racist, sexist extremist.

    What I find more interesting has been the defense of his membership in the group. Other conservatives haven’t said, “Yeah, this group was bad, but it was the thing to do at the time and he is certainly sorry,” or “Alito’s personal views don’t fit with the racist and sexist ideals of this group,” the way that members of both parties usually justify poor past behavior, like membership in an exclusive golf club. Instead they’ve just said, “This group sought to uphold conservative values. Alito was a member. So what?” That is thoroughly troubling, when in 2005 “conservative values” still include racism, sexism, and lack of apology for it.

  25. Jill: My statement above that you’ve blockquoted was more in response to Kicking Donkey’s claim that Alito is somehow against democracy or voting rather than your concerns about his CAP membership. However, I would argue with your claim that conservatives are saying “it’s okay to be racist and sexist.” I think that the conservatives who are defending Alito on this don’t concede that CAP was in fact a racist or sexist group, and as my comments above make clear, I think there’s ample reason to doubt that it was.

  26. For example:

    Indeed, as of 1985 (when I enrolled at Princeton), if there had been any kind of right-wing force associated with the University that had opposed minority and female presence on campus, I’m confident I’d have remembered — not only because I was one of the co-eds, but also because my face would have burned with shame for my supposed fellow “conservatives.”

    Exactly right: misogyny and racism aren’t conservative ideals, and that’s not what the Alito defenders are suggesting.

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  28. Seems to me you’re being a bit tricksy with language here.

    You twice use the specific phrase, in quotes, “traditional conservative values”, but don’t show a single place from where you got that phrase. Instead, you have Ingraham calling the group “conservative” and D’Souza saying it wanted to uphold “traditional values” and you appear to have mashed the two together.

    Except that nothing you quoted actually said the group was trying to uphold “traditional conservative values” or had such values in mind.

    I don’t think you’re intentionally trying to be deceptive, but that phrase doesn’t deserve quotes around it. If you want to call misogyny and racism “traditional conservative values”, then do so without the quotes and take whatever heat comes.

  29. Wait a minute… a group that opposed open admittance of women isn’t sexist?

    Upon going back and re-reading the Washington Post article, I realized that nowhere does it state that CAP was against “open admittance of women.” One of CAP’s most prominent members is Laura Ingraham, whom you quoted above. Does it really make sense that as a female Princeton grad she would have joined a group advocating that women not be admitted into Princeton?

  30. Does it really make sense that as a female Princeton grad she would have joined a group advocating that women not be admitted into Princeton?

    Sure. Lots of successful women see themselves as being the One Special Person who broke into the boys’ club, but sees rules limiting other women as quality control. I have no idea of Ms. Ingraham feels this way, but you asked.

  31. Here’s what I don’t get. If this guy is such a radical right winger, how come he was approved the last two times he was before congress? (Including a time when the democrats controlled it.)

    I can’t help but think that it’s not the judge that has suddenly gotten radical and non-mainstream. It seems like it’s the democratic party that has become that way.

  32. By now, most people have read about Samuel Alito’s membership in the racist, sexist Concerned Alumni of Princeton group. While his membership is notable — what kind of decent person remains in such a heinous organization

    And THAT, my friends, is why you lose election after election and aren’t taken seriously by reasonable people.

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  34. Depends on why they opposed open admittance of women, doesn’t it?

    ok. I’ll bite. what possible reasoning for lobbying against the admission of women to a University could you have that isn’t sexist?

    They can’t make non-sexist arguments against women on the battlefield, and there are almost legitimate reasons for that.

  35. wait… do liberals not win elections because we aren’t racist or sexist enough? if that’s the case, it kinda proves that Democracy doesn’t work, and it’s time to petition England to renew colonial ties with America.

  36. what possible reasoning for lobbying against the admission of women to a University could you have that isn’t sexist?

    Take all the reasons advanced for the creation and continuance of women’s colleges, that aren’t about protecting/liberating women from oppression, and replace “woman” with “man” in the text. There’s your answer.

  37. If you believe in individual rights….you are a racist.

    If you believe in the right to life, liberty and property, you are a fascist.

    If you believe you own yourself, you are a sexist.

    If you are not a Leftist, you are Evil.

    Evil, Evil, Evil. Now submit yourself to our slave morality.

  38. Take all the reasons advanced for the creation and continuance of women’s colleges, that aren’t about protecting/liberating women from oppression, and replace “woman” with “man” in the text.

    Harvard was created because Radcliffe didn’t admit men.

  39. So he became a member of a new organization that formed they year he graduated. Just for the record, my buddies in college right after graduation tried to sell me steak knives, 401ks and auto insurance. They all regret it but don’t apologize for trying to learn their way. My mother bought those crappy knives, it was never because I supported those knives in particular but you do crazy things like that for your friends.

    So what did it take to be part of this crazy organization? Monthly dues? Regular meeting attendance and cookie bakeoffs? Maybe he’s just a member that gets their junk mail or perhaps his deep-rooted evil, conservative underbelly has been exposed. BTW, my mother insists on keeping those crappy knives for the last 14 years out of some twisted since of loyalty to the young man who sold them to her.

  40. Dario,

    False equivalence. Your friends “joined” those crappy organizations to earn money and your mom bought the knives to try and help someone out. Both examples do not apply to the case of someone joining an organization with racist and sexist policies which did not give him income potential – well, except later when he was trying to get a job in an administration where racist and sexist policies were admired.

    But he had no way of anticipating that development.

  41. Alito should be grilled about this stuff–particularly the advocacy of quotas for overprivileged white boys.

    However, racism, sexism, and classism also find plenty of adherents on our side of the fence. Traditional Conservatism is better defined as not giving a shit about other human beings rather than being overtly hostile to women and minorities.

  42. John C. –

    Jill: My statement above that you’ve blockquoted was more in response to Kicking Donkey’s claim that Alito is somehow against democracy or voting…

    My “claim that Alito is somehow against democracy or voting” is based on a quote from Alito’s job application where he explicitly disagrees with the Warren court’s reapportionment decisions. Those decisions imposed the concept of One Person/One Vote on state legislative districts.

    No one, including, me, you, Prof. Bainbridge, and Jill, know what he meant by that.

    He will look like an extremist if he says that he continues to not believe that OPOV should be applied to state legislative districts.

    He will not look like an extremist if he says his disagreement stems from the definition of malapportionment esposed by that court (as expressed by another judicial nominee (now judge) whose name I cannot remember).

    Either way, I would feel a heck of alot better about his respect for “democracy or voting” had he not explicitly stated his disagreement with a decision that applied OPOV to all non-US Senate elections.

  43. sorry – screwed up the block quote tags and then noticed the handy tabs at the top of the comment box.

  44. The fact that the National Review was his intellectual foundation during the 1960’s is far more disturbing. It was essentially the magazine for educated Klansmen.

  45. “Traditional Conservatism is better defined as not giving a shit about other human beings”

    Now that’s a charge from the left that as a Conservative, I can live with. With one small change.

    I also give a shit about my parents, my siblings, my wife and my children. (Also selected nieces, nephews, co-workers, friends, etc.) I work hard to protect and provide for those I can in this group, and my votes in national and local elections reflect what I believe to be best for myself and the people I ‘give a shit about.” (Althought I tend to call it “people I Iove.”

    I don’t give a shit about anyone that wants a handout, anyone that isn’t ready to work as hard as I do, or anyone that wants to take what is mine because they feel that they have an entitlement because somewhere along the line their distant relatives were enslaved or treated badly by some distant relative of mine or someone that just happens to have the same color of skin I have.

    And guess what – I think I’m in the majority in the U.S. when I say these things.

    If democrats can find a way to communicate with me and work with me based on those beliefs, I’m ready to listen. (I’m not in love with the republicans, but at least they don’t belittle my core beliefs.)

    If democrats can’t, they will continue not to get my vote, or the vote of the majority of Americans, and they deserve to lose the national debate.

  46. Take all the reasons advanced for the creation and continuance of women’s colleges, that aren’t about protecting/liberating women from oppression, and replace “woman” with “man” in the text. There’s your answer.

    so that men can receive an education and not be forced to become housewives? So that Parentis Loco might operate more lazily without fear of rape and fraternization? so that porno has a subject for hot-teen-lesbo fantasies?

  47. The fact that the National Review was his intellectual foundation during the 1960’s is far more disturbing. It was essentially the magazine for educated Klansmen.

    Thanks for this, I needed a good laugh today. Assuming that this wasn’t meant in jest, this is the funniest example of liberal hyperbole I’ve seen in quite a while.

  48. I think quotas are a great idea. I’ve noticed the NBA has a disproportionately small number of Asians, Whites, and Hispanics, not to mention Women. I demand myself, my Asian girlfriend, and my Puerto Rican friend who’s a cop all be given multimillion-dollar NBA contracts.

    What? You say we don’t have the skills to play in the NBA? Hey, sometimes standards have to be relaxed in order to create and promote racial harmony.

  49. I mean after all, it’s just basketball. It’s not like we’re talking about educating the next generation of scientists, doctors, lawyers and engineers, or something important like that.

  50. #52 – amen to that post.

    I read Dinish D’Souza’s “Illiberal Education” years ago and was gobsmacked at the lengths esteemed institutions such as Berkeley, Harvard, Michigan, et al would go to in order to create their own little “melting pots” of diversity.

    http://www.dineshdsouza.com/books/illiberal-jacket.html

    Students pay a LOT of money to attend quality academic institutions like Princeton. Presumably, they are interested in the qualifications and leverage a degree from a top university can provide in the marketplace.

    It would bug me to know that:

    – academic standards were lowered to let in substandard students in the name of “diversity”, especially if I had to work my butt off to get in

    – the quality of my education at school was lowered to accomodate students who were not prepared for the education or or did not have the personal / business experience contribute in class

    – the marketability and return on my educational investment was diminished because the quality of graduating students was lowered over time to facilitate some skewed idea of fairness and diversity

    Simply put, not everyone is a good fit for every school nor should they be force fit just to meet a quota. I do think the hyperfocus on Alito’s membership in the Princeton club is being blown out of proportion but I think the disconnect is what “Johnny” so eloquently points out – – higher learning is not the place to “balance the playing field”.

    Cheers – DC

  51. Based on my admittedly quick reading of the article, I don’t think a whole lot can be made of Alito’s membership in this group in of itself. Certainly it’s evidence of Alito’s political inclinations at that particular time, and I do think some questions pertaining to his membership and how relevant Alito considered it to the development of his political and judicial philosophy are not out of bounds. Far greater weight ought to be given to his record as a judge, one with which I am still familiarizing myself.

    As a left-liberal myself (for lack of a better label), I wouldn’t find myself in agreement at all with the views of a group like CAP, but back when I was an undergraduate, I was a conservative student who was active in a couple of conservative student organizations on campus and left behind a record of that activity. I’ve long since left that worldview behind (long story); my point being is that I wouldn’t want the political views and activity of my past to obviate what I’ve done (and how I’ve changed) since then.

  52. It would bug me to know that:

    – academic standards were lowered to let in substandard students in the name of “diversity”, especially if I had to work my butt off to get in

    – the quality of my education at school was lowered to accomodate students who were not prepared for the education or or did not have the personal / business experience contribute in class

    – the marketability and return on my educational investment was diminished because the quality of graduating students was lowered over time to facilitate some skewed idea of fairness and diversity

    Simply put, not everyone is a good fit for every school nor should they be force fit just to meet a quota. I do think the hyperfocus on Alito’s membership in the Princeton club is being blown out of proportion but I think the disconnect is what “Johnny” so eloquently points out – – higher learning is not the place to “balance the playing field”.

    Gee, and here I’m thinking I might just be cheesed off if I were a highly-qualified woman or minority back in 1972 and Princeton told me, “Sorry, we filled our quota. We have legacy admissions spaces to fill. You might be more qualified than those white boys, but we have to think about the quality of our student body.”

    I know, I know. Privilege is tough to give up. And it’s always easier to assume that the person who took “your” spot was less qualified than you and of course they only got in because of quotas.

    One thing that really gets me about people like Alito and D’Souza: they pull the ladder up behind them. Because, you see, not so long ago, people like them were considered substandard and deleterious to the quality of education at fine institutions like Princeton and Harvard.

    There’s a very good reason the Catholic university system, particularly the Jesuit-run schools, exist in this country: because Catholics were either kept entirely out of the elite universities or subject to quotas. My grandfather went to Georgetown for dental school because he was rejected due to his religion everywhere else he applied. My uncle was told by several medical schools in the early 60s that, “You’re a fine student, you’d make a fine doctor, but we’ve filled our Catholic quota.”

    There was a fascinating article in the New Yorker not too long ago about Ivy League admissions — they actually started the College Board to try to make admissions more fair, but when they started seeing a huge increase in Jewish students — because those students were scoring very well on the admissions tests — they returned to a system that favored those from the elite.

  53. Here’s the New Yorker article:

    In 1905, Harvard College adopted the College Entrance Examination Board tests as the principal basis for admission, which meant that virtually any academically gifted high-school senior who could afford a private college had a straightforward shot at attending. By 1908, the freshman class was seven per cent Jewish, nine per cent Catholic, and forty-five per cent from public schools, an astonishing transformation for a school that historically had been the preserve of the New England boarding-school complex known in the admissions world as St. Grottlesex.

    As the sociologist Jerome Karabel writes in “The Chosen” (Houghton Mifflin; $28), his remarkable history of the admissions process at Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, that meritocratic spirit soon led to a crisis. The enrollment of Jews began to rise dramatically.By 1922, they made up more than a fifth of Harvard’s freshman class. The administration and alumni were up in arms. Jews were thought to be sickly and grasping, grade-grubbing and insular. They displaced the sons of wealthy Wasp alumni, which did not bode well for fund-raising. A. Lawrence Lowell, Harvard’s president in the nineteen-twenties, stated flatly that too many Jews would destroy the school: “The summer hotel that is ruined by admitting Jews meets its fate . . . because they drive away the Gentiles, and then after the Gentiles have left, they leave also.”

    The difficult part, however, was coming up with a way of keeping Jews out, because as a group they were academically superior to everyone else. Lowell’s first idea—a quota limiting Jews to fifteen per cent of the student body—was roundly criticized. Lowell tried restricting the number of scholarships given to Jewish students, and made an effort to bring in students from public schools in the West, where there were fewer Jews. Neither strategy worked. Finally, Lowell—and his counterparts at Yale and Princeton—realized that if a definition of merit based on academic prowess was leading to the wrong kind of student, the solution was to change the definition of merit. Karabel argues that it was at this moment that the history and nature of the Ivy League took a significant turn.

    The admissions office at Harvard became much more interested in the details of an applicant’s personal life. Lowell told his admissions officers to elicit information about the “character” of candidates from “persons who know the applicants well,” and so the letter of reference became mandatory. Harvard started asking applicants to provide a photograph. Candidates had to write personal essays, demonstrating their aptitude for leadership, and list their extracurricular activities. “Starting in the fall of 1922,” Karabel writes, “applicants were required to answer questions on ‘Race and Color,’ ‘Religious Preference,’ ‘Maiden Name of Mother,’ ‘Birthplace of Father,’ and ‘What change, if any, has been made since birth in your own name or that of your father? (Explain fully).’ ”

    At Princeton, emissaries were sent to the major boarding schools, with instructions to rate potential candidates on a scale of 1 to 4, where 1 was “very desirable and apparently exceptional material from every point of view” and 4 was “undesirable from the point of view of character, and, therefore, to be excluded no matter what the results of the entrance examinations might be.” The personal interview became a key component of admissions in order, Karabel writes, “to ensure that ‘undesirables’ were identified and to assess important but subtle indicators of background and breeding such as speech, dress, deportment and physical appearance.” By 1933, the end of Lowell’s term, the percentage of Jews at Harvard was back down to fifteen per cent.

    If this new admissions system seems familiar, that’s because it is essentially the same system that the Ivy League uses to this day. According to Karabel, Harvard, Yale, and Princeton didn’t abandon the elevation of character once the Jewish crisis passed. They institutionalized it.

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