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Beyond The Tramp Stamp

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(x-posted at Social Science Lite)

I wouldn’t be surprised if many of the regular readers of Social Science Lite and Feministe cringe upon hearing the phrase “tramp stamp.” I dug through Feministe’s archives, and found this insightful post from Jill back in ’07. She wrote about an issue many of us are all too familiar with: sexist interpretations and judgments of tattoos on women’s bodies.

But a recent conversation with a friend pointed to another “–ism”—latent classism—that undergirds many objections to tattoos.

The conversation began simply enough. We were walking through a mall and noticed a fair amount of body art. We commented on arm bands, lower-back tattoos, and arm sleeves. Interestingly, our judgments of the tattoos differed dramatically: I liked creative tattoos but disliked some awkwardly placed ink, whereas my friend uniformly disapproved of body art.

Our conversation was relatively rational until a single word was uttered: trashy.

“I just think tattoos look trashy,” my friend innocently stated. Fair enough; the ugly tribal arm band we noticed on a young man’s tanned bicep did look a bit corny. But I pressed further. “Why is it trashy?” I asked. “I don’t know. Tattoos just look lower-class to me.” I swear I saw her nose tip up in the air, ever so slightly.

And with that, the floodgates opened.

She explained how she associates tattoos with working class men and women, a sign of their lack of refinement and sophistication. Moreover, the very decision to get a tattoo pointed to their lack of decorum, which she directly associated with their class position. In other words, all poor people are trashy, and their tattoos merely accentuate this universal fact.

I replied, naturally, by putting her classism in check: Does simply having a tattoo—any tattoo—equate with being “trashy,” which signals lower class status? By extension, does that mean that all lower class people are “trashy?” Is being “trashy”—and thus, having a tattoo—simply a byproduct of one’s class position, implying that lower class people uniformly make stupid, unrefined decisions? And are all tattoos “trashy?” Who are we to decide what’s trash, and what’s art? Are certain civilizations and cultures that engage with body art “culturally trashy” and “lower class?” And so on.

My friend’s objections to tattoos were infused by her own classism and normative assessments of “proper” behavior. I put her nonsense in check, but that didn’t exactly dissolve her prejudices. See, her take on tattoos was so fundamentally ingrained in her mind that she had difficulty breaking from her blanket associations. She was beginning to see her classism, and recognize her privilege—but it wasn’t exactly a “light bulb” moment. She could see how her prejudices were classist, but had trouble letting them go.

The end result of this conversation produced just that: a conversation. It’s often hard to draw firm conclusions when dealing with such complex and subjective topics. But it’s an ongoing process. We can’t expect people, like my friend, to immediately abandon their classism; we are social beings, after all, beholden to larger social forces that often influence our desires and prejudices. It’s part and parcel of moral boundary work—a social process of defining in-groups and out-groups, often predicated on the policing of “proper” behavior—that’s learned from an early age. Many whites, for example, would be simply lying if we said we didn’t get nervous when approaching young black males on the street. No matter how much we tell ourselves “This is really racist to fear them just because they’re black,” it’s a gut reaction—one embedded in larger structures of social relations.

Classism—like racism, sexism, and other –isms—persists, no matter how forcefully we call our friends’ prejudices into check. But we still try. And hopefully, after continued and repeated conversations, we’re able to alter our preconceptions and begin to view the social world in a slightly different light. Dismantling interpersonal prejudices is, of course, an ongoing social project.


51 thoughts on Beyond The Tramp Stamp

  1. I must admit, my gut reaction to her reaction was to get really defensive. Then to wonder how she defines upper class. if it’s by money, there’s quite a lot of very wealthy actors and actresses that have tattoos. So again, proved wrong.

    I tend to react to this (from anyone) by trying to explain why I have tattoos. Financially, I guess I’d be lower-middle class or so, middle if I get a raise someday, lol. Although some of my tattoos are visible (one on back of wrist), most are covered by normal work clothes. However, my tattoos are visual representations of personal spiritual revelations I’ve had, and the getting the tattoo was part of the spiritual process. So if someone wants to call me trashy for something that’s none of their freaking business, hell yes, I will get defensive. I consider it similar to religious jewelry that someone wears, it’s just that mine can’t be taken off.

    In the same vein, I would also (and I know I’m an exception for this) NEVER even consider getting a tattoo like a heart or butterfly or tribal art that doesn’t mean anything to me and gods know how many other people may have. I personally don’t understand why someone would put something permanent on that was meaningless, but I don’t think less of them because they chose to do so. Whatever works for them. And feel free to tell her that I also know THREE licensed clinical social workers (one a manager) in positions of authority in my own company who have tattoos. I’d never consider them lower-class.

  2. There are also class stratifications among tattooed people. Some have “good” or “artistic” tattoos and some have “junk”. The difference may lie somewhat in the quality of the work, but mostly the difference is one of style and taste.

    What I mean is that there are plenty of middle class people who retain this prejudice regarding tattoos they see as class signifiers, despite the fact that they themselves are heavily tattooed.

  3. I don’t see why this is automatically wrong. If I see someone with a tattooed swastika, I’ll make some assumptions about them. If I saw someone with a tattooed peace sign, I’ll make different assumptions about them. If I saw someone with a run of the mill butterfly, I’ll probably make different assumptions about them.

  4. Actually, this was the one important reason I decided to get tattoos. Class solidarity! The wrist tattoo, in particular, was deliberate; I wanted it to be always-visible. The other three can be covered up.

    Sometimes, you can see the sneer, when certain people see it. Good. I am doing everything right, because those are the people I WANT to sneer.

    Sonia, most of these elitists are not as discriminating as you are. Example: I have an om-symbol tattoo, and the rich suburbanites sneer at me on my job, “What is THAT?”

    They don’t know what it is, but have already judged me for having it.

  5. I think the point is that it is a good thing to question those assumptions on occasion. 🙂 And there *is* a difference in making an assumption about someone’s beliefs given clothing or body art and and making an assumption about their social status and the baggage that goes with *that*. I can’t articulate what the difference is right now — pressed for time, and this requires some Deep Thought — but there is an important difference, especially given the prejudices that accompany class stereotypes. There are just as many class stereotypes for the wealthy/upper class/sophisticated as there are for the poor/lower class/unsophisticated, and they are not always flattering.

    Being aware of and questioning your assumptions is good. You may end up with the same opinion in the end, but at least you examined it. (Thank you, Socrates.)

  6. PS: Thanks for running that photo of my Uncle Buddy! Glad he’s doing well, I haven’t talked to him in ages.

    But I wish he wouldn’t hang out with such trashy people! (old “Hee Haw” joke, in case you missed it…)

  7. but sonia, that’s assumptions which (correct or not) are based on the specific tattoo, not assumptions based on tattoos in general.

    Marlene, I know what you mean. Basically it’s flash vs. “real” art or something meaningful. I’m trying to drop that little ism myself.

  8. I’m very familiar with that sort of assumption your friend has. It’s very much ingrained in the cultural milieu I grew up in. Myself, I think some look cool, and some look stupid, and I’ve always considered them simply too permanent to do to myself.

    I’ve encountered other attitudes as well. There seems to be one among men (particular those who have served) that you ONLY get one for GOOD reason and MOST people who get them are just fashion wannabes who trash the concept behind getting tattoos (*roll of eyes*).

    I’ve also come across the Hawai’ian cultural attitude with tattoos which seems to be a strong one of getting specific tribal ones to mark all sorts of points in one’s life. These tattoos are deeply interesting (but not of my culture, so I’d never consider appropriating those even if I wanted a tattoo.

    Very interesting subject.

  9. Thanks for the article. What’s also interesting are the gender distinctions I’ve seen within a class. My Mom and step-dad were raised working class and have moved ever so slightly up the class ladder. My Mom loves my step-dad’s new tattoo and goes on about how wonderful it is, while in the same breath condemning my sister’s tattoos (which she hasn’t seen) as “cheap and tacky.” Because a Celtic cross is so unique and manly *eye roll*. I’ve also seen her call out women for their “trashy tattoos” and have heard similar sentiments from other people.

    So, while I agree with you that tattoos in general are associated the “lower classes”, I think there is a stronger class connotation for women than men who tattoo. Having a tattoo, like working with your hands or supporting a family, violates cultural standards of femininity…standards that are explicitly tied to class and race. A middle class man can have a tattoo and still be seen as middle class man “with a bit of a wild or redneck side,” while that’s not generally true for women.

  10. To be honest I get nervous when I approach ANY group of men on the street. I don’t care what color they are. Statistically I am more likely to be attacked by a group of white men than by a group of men of any other colors (since I am a white female).

    I had a friend in college tell me my nose piercing was “trashy”, and 20 minutes later I saw her snort coke off of her car key…and she was sleeping with her drug dealer. Her father owns a chain of strip clubs, and she happens to be a wealthy sorority girl.

    I laughed it off thinking about the stunningly beautiful women from India with the same piercing I have.

  11. i definitely see tattoos as a class issue. i’m white and upper middle class, but have struggled with reconciling my love for tattoos, body modification, and other non-mainstream image presentations with my professional career. i’ve been told that because i am a lawyer representing low-income folks, my professional appearance needs to be absolutely conforming so as not to give judges any reason to take a dislike to me (and thus my client). so not only is my tattoo hidden by my clothing, i also got rid of my cotton candy pink hair and only wear skirt suits and pearls to court.

    for this reason, i really admire people with visible tattoos or other visible modifications (piercings, hair color, etc) that visibly mark them as being outside of mainstream professional culture. to me, it reflects strong self-knowledge and confidence in their ability to thrive outside of white professional culture.

  12. I read this amazing book in my social inequalities class a few years back. Can’t remember the name but the woman did a study on the growing prevalence of tattoos among the middle and upper classes and I see a lot of her findings playing out in the comments here. Through interviews with hundreds of tattooed folks, of different classes, she found that what seperates middle class tattooed folks from working class tattooed folks is in their “tattoo narrative.” While getting tattoos is often a way in which mid and upper class people distinguish themselves from mainstream society, their narrative reinforces thier class status and perpetuates classism.

    The middle class tattoo narrative includes : 1) How long they thought about getting the tattoo. 2) What the tattoo means to them, and 3) Who did it.
    Their tattoo narrative serves to differentiate themselves from the working class, distancing themselves from the “other” and reinforcing their privileged status.

  13. That’s a good point about tattoos and gender, Irene. In my (slightly conservativish) office, there’s a handful of guys with visible bicep or forearm tattoos, but I’m the only (I think) woman with any visible tattoos. So I always feel that I have to wear boots when wear I a skirt or dress to cover up my calf tattoo so people won’t think I’m “unproffesional”.

  14. Elizabeth, just for clarification: are you saying that having thought about getting a tattoo for long before you got one, and having one that means something, are inherently bad things because they are classist?

  15. Flamethorn, I don’t think those things are inherently classist, but they are consistent elements in a narrative meant to distinguish one’s own tattoos as being somehow removed from “usual” tattoos (those of the icky trashy people).

  16. With regards to trashiness:

    (a) Let’s face it, some tattoos are more obnoxious than others. Why someone would get oh, Britney’s bald head tattooed on themself, I have NO idea, but that shows certain um…mental issues there, doesn’t it? Or the aforementioned swastika.
    (b) The placement of the tattoo is also a factor for me. I tend to think in terms of “what happens if things go wrong for me and I have to apply for a job somewhere where I can’t be all free and easy in my personal style?” Which is to say: anyone with face tats, hand tats, any kind of tats that aren’t easily covered up for work, well… to me that does not look exactly classy. And makes me think that either they don’t care, or they’re uh, unlikely to ever work a job that requires them to look nice. And um, who works jobs like that? Uh…lower-class people, and/or Jeffrey Sebilia.
    (c) A cousin of mine got a tattoo, much to the distress of her relatives. She wants to be a lawyer, and she found out a few years later that supposedly (I don’t know if this is true or not at all) when applying to law schools, she would be looked down upon for having one. It’s a large one on her ankle, so she could cover it up with pants all the time, I suppose. But it seems to me that you’d better be darned sure that you want to commit to what issues might come along with a tat, and you may not be aware of what those are at age 18. Heck, all the “tramp stamp” people had no idea that their tattoos were going to get such a derogatory name years later, eh?

    So yeah, I think it can be inferred that tats = trashy in some contexts. Or stupid if you insist on getting a swastika on your hand.

    In my non-tattooed opinion, some tats are okay, I have seen the occasional one that I actually liked. But permanent body modification has always weirded me out some, and the more severe the modification, the less I am cool with it.

  17. I’m also with Sonia, and unfortunately lacking a better term, I would think of many tattoos as “trashy.” It is a broad and often unfair generalization, yes. But there are some reasons… Not to say that all PEOPLE who get tattoos are inferior to me (I come from solid “white trash” stock myself), but some of the nonsense people get inked (permanently????!!!) onto their skin makes me wonder about their judgement— not so much their economic status. Think blue ink “prison” tattoos, as those are the ones I see most often. Or ones that are obviously the product of a night of drinks and a few flips through the artist’s stock images. Dolphin, rose? Dolphin holding a rose? Does it mean anything to you? Do you really know whether that Chinese symbol says “kung pao chicken” or “tranquility”, and what the hell, are you Chinese? Or those fake-tribal tattoos, excuse me whitebread fratboy, what tribe do you think you belong to?

    I think it’s the cliches I’m railing against the most. I’ve seen people with masterpieces of art scrawled across their bodies and though it isn’t my personal thing, I can recognize the beauty.

  18. I’m relatively involved in tattoo culture, so I do have some bias here.

    There is “high art” and “low art,” and tattoo artistry is conventionally low art. Within the tattoo community, there is high tattoo art and low tattoo art, which is part of what the commentariat is getting at here. There’s the thing you get on a whim for fifty bucks, and the thing you get after months of co-planning with a artist that takes several sessions, and lots of money and time to complete, or in other words, serious tattoo art collectors vs the dabblers.

    I have both kinds of tattoos. I wouldn’t say I regret getting any of them, but there is one I’m in the process of removing. My biggest piece has a story and a symbolic meaning, and it’s really big and cost a lot of money, which is why it gets so much attention even though it’s barely visible when I’m wearing anything but a bathing suit. The other tattoos I have are throwaway adornments, gotten on a whim, they’re whatever.

    I got into a conversation with a tattoo artist recently about the one I’m having removed, and he seemed to break the code about what makes tattoos good or bad in my mind. He said that you either have to go the big route and get one or two of the really well-done, intricate, artistic, meaningful designs, or get a bunch of the little throwaway crap everywhere. In retrospect, it’s kind of true.

    I have to say I do love seeing the faded blue designs on older people’s skin. To me it’s no different than the beauty of wrinkles and scars, except perhaps a little more intriguing. They’ve all got stories.

  19. Wow, I’ve never met anyone who thought all tattoos were trashy. I get the impression that bigger odd looking tattoos would be more likely to be seen as trashy. But yes, what does that even mean? I have a couple family members with those kinds of tattoos. And for one, the stereotypes his appearance probably evokes might be kind of true…but to call someone trashy, trashy brings to my mind the words “lower-class” as well as “not worth talking to”. And is anyone not worth talking to simply because of their appearance? Not that I can think of.

  20. I don’t think tattoos are necessarily trashy, although their is a lot of crappy blue prison art out there. I think it can show poor judgement if you get tattoos that can’t be hidden by clothing. It will lock you out of a lot of careers. It’s fine if you work at Vintage Vinyl or Yello Sub, but if your job involves you being a public face of the company you work for, it’s going to make it a lot harder to get hired. If you have Love/Hate tattooed on your fingers, spiderwebs on your throat, teardrops below your eyes, or any other gang signifiers, I’m not going to hire you.

    The more I think about it, I am going to say it’s a class issue. Certain kinds of Tattooing are prevalent among gangs and jailbirds. People have every right to judge you if you have gang or aryan stuff tattooed on you. They would be stupid not to.

  21. Agreeing with above commentor that for some people, placement is a trigger of how they judge the tattoo. I got my first tattoo 20 years ago. I was specifically told by the female tattoo artists that if I got it on the upper outer shoulder (typical “sailor placement”, she called it), people wouldn’t approve. For some reason, getting it there was considered “manly”. “Girls” got tattoos on their ankle, boob, or butt in general. I ended up getting it on my back right shoulder blade. But I still had a flash of her saying that in my head as little as a year ago, when I got my 9th one. Placement for me has always been a part of the spiritual experience, so I knew this one had to go on my left upper outer shoulder. So that’s where it went.

    Location of where you live makes a big diff, too. 20 years ago, I lived in Denver. It just got more and more conservative. Even when I worked at Ticketmaster in college, it was safer to just keep them all covered. 4 years ago, I moved out here to Seattle. No one gives a crud out here. LOL The one on my shoulder, people ask about it when I wear sleeveless shirts to work. Heck, the company picnic talent show in which I won actually ended up being the funds for it. 🙂

    Ironically, it does include the wind and a ship’s wheel…

  22. These comments are fascinating and very well thought out. There’s one common theme that I think accentuates my main point: People seem to keep bringing up the idea that you need to cover up your tattoos in professional settings, implying two things: 1) people in the professional world do not respond kindly to body art, and 2) there’s something unprofessional about body art. So tattoos = unprofessional, and professional = respectable, high income earner….then tattoos = trashy, low income earner?

    I’m not saying any of the great commenters here are suggesting this (though if you are, speak up!)…but it definitely seems to be an overwhelming disposition in this country. The professionalism (or lack thereof) of tattoos at least partially connotes some class bias.

  23. It’s not the tattoos which breed that reaction, it’s the statement behind the tattoos.

    Tattoo wearers are generally fully aware of how society will view their tattoos. Many of the tattooed people I know whose tattoos are publicly visible got their tattoos because they were either trying to get society to treat/view them differently, or because they were trying to add a “marker” of their social group.

    It’s like deciding to wear a $100 t-shirt with “Abercrombie & Fitch” in big letters. It’s not the letters that make you reach assumptions about the person wearing the shirt. It’s the inherent message that comes from the store, and the fact that people know the shirt costs $100, and the fact that the store is geared towards a certain type of shopper, and the fact that you are wearing the shirt in an obvious display of that fact.

    So it makes sense to me to try to deduce some sort of class from tattoo status. Obviously there will be exceptions, but generally speaking publicly-visible tattoos are a marker of being outside the rich class, just like Abercrombie and Fitch t-shirts are markers of being in the rich class.* That says nothing about the worth of the person involved of course.

    *I am so far away from fashion I might as well be on mars. I’ve never even been in an A&F; if I’m wrong about the shirt just insert the appropriate example.

  24. Amazon actually has a picture of the exact guy I was thinking of in my comment that’s in moderation right now. He has large back and shoulder pieces, which could definitely be considered low class by a lot of people… but he looks pretty damn professional in a suit.
    It’s the 3rd pic here

  25. To clarify a little what I said a few comments ago, I don’t personally have anything against tattoos, as long as they are of reasonable quality. The thing is, when you are getting certain tattoos, you are making a choice that will affect the rest of your life, and you need to know that. I could love the tat on your face on a personal level, but (if I was in a position to hire) I could never send you out on a sales floor outside of the arts or motorcycle communities.

    For every Jeffrey Sebelia, who is tatted all over and makes it, how many other people in the arts community get those tats, turn 30, and realize they don’t have the skill or popularity to make a living in the arts. There are a whole lot of jobs that tats and other body art (forked tongues, etc.) that will make you unhireable at a lot of places

  26. As a very happily tattooed feminist who wants more, I have really enjoyed the series at Female Impersonator (this link is to the last one, which links to the previous four) about being inked (and one on being pierced, which is also close to my heart).

    I love tattoos, because, as a survivor of sexual violence, I’ve come to realized that, for me, this is my way of claiming ownership of my body in a way that is not intended to elicit approval from the public at large (the way that working out or wearing makeup or changing my wardrobe would). This is my way of claiming MY body without stopping to worry about what everyone else thinks and that, for me, is incredibly important. I am very careful about what I will tattoo on myself, but this is something that brings me great joy, and if a job is going to judge me by that standard then I am not particularly interested in it. There’s always tape and moleskin and makeup if push comes to shove, but, to me, it’s more important to claim my body.

  27. I personally don’t find tattoos trashy. Well, sometimes they can be, but I do think it’s a representation of yourself. I don’t see why people look down on those who get them.

    I personally would love to get a butterfly on my shoulder, but the way I scar has pretty much guarantees that I’ll never be able to, nor any piercings. So, I guess, in some ways it makes me even more frustrated when people get down on them. Jealousy or something like that.

  28. I’m fascinated by the “no tattoos in porn” element. Do they not like tattoos on both boys and girls? Or is it just girls?

    Moreover, why would men not like tattooed girls? As long as the girl is “hot” why would it matter? And if people associate tattoos with someone who is lower class, is that coming into play here? Is that saying guys who view porn don’t want to fantasize about “lower class” women? I thought things like that didn’t matter.

    Ultimately, I suppose along the way The Porn Image was created and whenever that solidified, tats weren’t the norm.

    I also wonder too—since tats are a form of self expression, that that might take away part of the fantasy of porn—this women in porn are A Generic Woman–and any display of individuality reminds the audience that this woman is an individual who does things to her body without the audience’s consent.

  29. When you talk about frat boys with tribal tats, you really need to put quote marks around the word “tribal”. I doubt that most “tribal” tats represent any tribe at all, and are tribal-esque at best.

  30. Another factor in the negative perceptions of people with tattoos are presumed associations with criminality in some cultures whether it is gang associations in the US or associations with organized crime in Japan.

    In fact, tattoos are so closely associated with organized crime that many hotels and lodging establishments, especially the mid-high end ones explicitly will turn away any patrons with them…whether they happen to be Japanese or foreign.

  31. I’ve always admired neck tattoos. In my social circle, they’re sort of a outlaw status symbol. They imply “I don’t have to work for squares”. These status pieces tend to get extra care. My favorite tattoo ever is a beautifully rendered three inch cockroach, front and center on a friend’s throat.

  32. I think one point of this piece was to highlight the problems with the CONCEPT of trashy, and the fact that it is a classist statement –one that assumes and reinforces class bias.

    Therefore, commenters discussing whether tats are trashy or not are missing the point. The point is, what do you mean when you use the word “trashy” – who are we assuming is good or bad or worthy of respect? Why is it important to differentiate people along those lines, who wins or loses when you do it?

    Leaving the term “trashy” unchallenged is just leaving the same old assumptions and judgments in place.

    I think the idea of a “middle class narrative” around tats is interesting, I’d like to read that piece, because the description makes it sound like working class people don’t think about their tattoos ahead of time, don’t tell a story about how they got them, etc. Is that really true? As a middle class tattooed gal myself I can say the narrative is one I have as well, but I feel like the working class folk I know who are tattooed have similar narratives. Don’t know how that breaks down in the larger world though.

  33. @ripley THIS.

    I was frankly appalled to her many of the same-ish arguments used to justify various oppressions being used in the comments to explain why it’s OK to judge someone based on the design, placement or even fact that an individual has a tattoo. The term “trashy” is so highly subjective and classiest in nature that to not to even think about challenging its usage means *cough* your privilege is showing.

  34. Agree again with ripley.

    And I think we need a link to Hanzi Smatter*

    First thing I thought was southern cross tattoos**. Second thing I thought was Maori facial tattoos. Very different things, both undertaken for different reasons, but to some people have the same effect – they are taken to mean “One of Us”, or “One of Them.” Perhaps it is easier to live in a world where everyone can be categorised based on visual accessories.

    How’s this for facial tattoos: women who get their eyebrows tattooed perfectly, permanently, or who get eye-liner or lip-liner tattooed. I know elderly ladies who have lost their eyebrows with age and had them tattooed back on. Are these somehow “unprofessional” too? (Perhaps they are extra-professional, as the lady in question has invested in maintaining her gender performance.)

    (I don’t really have a horse in this race – can’t even decide what to have for breakfast, let alone figure out a picture that accurately represents some permanent identity)

    *I really really don’t understand why people get words tattooed in languages that they don’t speak. I mean, you can get “peace” or “warrior” or whatever tattooed in English and you wouldn’t have to explain to non-other-language-speakers what they mean all the time.

    **In Australia, some people get tattoos of the southern cross star constellation. I think they’re meant to signify patriotism and pride in the nation. Often they are interpreted as jingoistic, racist and a bit “white pride”. Maybe other Australians could help me out here.

  35. While my tattoos have religious significance (The Goddess is in my body by nature, the God is in my skin by choice), I deliberately dropped the very large Green Man on my back (12″ x 18″) down from the nape of my neck a little, so as to be sure that if my collar slid back, it wouldn’t show. The white horse is high on my thigh, so that even a standard office-length skirt wouldn’t show it.

    Because I like keeping my options open.

    Yeah, there’s a little bit of class issue there, I suppose. But the commenter who said that among tattoos there are pointed levels of acceptability even among the tattooed? Yeah. I’ve had a lot of people see my back and go, “OH! that’s ART!” Well, yes, it is. But implicit in their tone is that tattoos aren’t quite decent. Unless it’s a big high-investment art piece.

  36. I think tattoos are pretty dumb (yeah, even the “spiritual” ones — but then again I think spirituality is kinda dumb too) and if people have the right to put stuff all over their skin I have the right to silently think “ick” at them. :p

    I do think it’s about identifying with a culture or culture(s), but I don’t really like those cultures so I go ahead and dislike tattoos as well. It’s making a statement to some degree, and that statement is one I will judge people by. I think it’s unfair to judge people for how they were born, their income, etc but I don’t have as much of a problem judging people on their style and how they choose to present themselves to the world.

  37. I’ve always admired neck tattoos. In my social circle, they’re sort of a outlaw status symbol. They imply “I don’t have to work for squares”.

    Which makes the handwringing about whether visible tattoos are “unprofessional” kind of ironic. If you get a tattoo for outlaw cred, you can’t really then whine that you’re not taken seriously by the squares you got the tattoo to advertise you don’t have to work for (ignore how grammatically tortured that poor sentence is. I spared you the “when outlaws are professionals” construction). If you’re getting a tat to announce to the world that you’re an outlaw who doesn’t work for squares, fucking own it, and don’t work for squares.

    I have what has come to be known as a “tramp stamp,” and I got it long before that was the term among the frat boys for it. You know why I put it there?

    BECAUSE IT WON’T FALL DOWN WHEN I’M FIFTY. And it’s not visible unless I want it to be. Well, as long as my shirt stays tucked in.

  38. I think the point of that post about a “middle class narrative” isn’t that I shouldn’t have reasons for my tattoos, or have thought about them beforehand: it’s the assumption, because I am middle class, that I did think about what I wanted, and the related assumption that someone who is, or is perceived as, lower class didn’t think about what they were doing.

    But I’ve seen flash on people who seem to have all sorts of backgrounds, and likewise for what seems to be carefully thought out work. I also suspect there’s circular “reasoning” here: if someone is perceived as lower-class, their tattoos are likely to be assumed to be casually chosen, if not regretted soon afterwards.

    I suspect that it’s as likely to be the other way around: if $150 is a larger investment to you, you might think longer about whether you want to spend it on a tattoo, and if so, what the tattoo should be.

  39. I have adorned my body with ink and metal. Few people judge me by it because it’s hidden, but also, it’s hidden because people judge.

    I hate the word “trashy” in reference to humans.
    I feel the same way about the word “classy.”

  40. I have several tattoos (including a “tramp stamp,” oh no!) and plans for more. I never get upset when someone judges me based on my tattoos, because it was 100% my choice to put them there. No one made me get the tattoos, I wasn’t born with them, and my decisions and actions are certainly open to criticism just like anyone else’s, about anything else.

    This is the first time I’ve heard of tattoos being equated with low-income; I’m too broke for my next tattoo, therefore I don’t yet have it– how the hell would one make that connection? I don’t know, it just seems like it’s totally find to say, “Yuck” about a tattoo, seeing as how the owner of said tattoo made a conscious choice in obtaining it.

    I love tattoos… but I, too, am picky about what it is and where, and roll my eyes at the thought of a butterfly on a shoulder blade or Tweety Bird on an ankle. Barf. But I think that’s perfectly allowable.

  41. I suspect that it’s as likely to be the other way around: if $150 is a larger investment to you, you might think longer about whether you want to spend it on a tattoo, and if so, what the tattoo should be.

    The potential social cost might be greater for upper/middle-class types even it’s less of a monetary burden, though. If a huge tattoo could be the difference between getting into that prestigious law firm or not that could prompt a lot more worry and thought than getting a tat before a job interview at Walmart (do they care what you look like? At all?)

  42. f a huge tattoo could be the difference between getting into that prestigious law firm or not that could prompt a lot more worry and thought than getting a tat before a job interview at Walmart (do they care what you look like? At all?)

    I live in a very blue-collar area where having or not having tattoos is not much of an issue. Everyone I work with (in sales) has tattoos, many of them visible, and we work with the public in varying capacities. I see tattoos daily on lawyers, business owners, cooks, customer service workers, bikers, and professors, and I talk tattoos with my clients pretty regularly. The more you travel into blue-collar and working-class communities the more I notice their acceptability.

    I’m definitely interested in expanding the conversation on middle-class tattoo narratives for this reason, especially since the kinds of middle-class manufacturing jobs that used to support a family are rapidly disappearing in the Midwest. I wonder if they could be a hindrance socially as the class imbalance becomes more pronounced, whereas in my experience they have always served prior as a conversation piece or a sign that you’re “down.”

  43. Oh thank you Jeremy. Without you “put[ting] her nonsense in check” she would have continued having a viewpoint different from your own far, far superior one.

    Thank goodness there are men like you around. Bless.

  44. One conversation isn’t going to change anybody’s mind, let alone years of internalized prejudice. As we say in my native language “Steter Tropfen hoehlt den Stein” …

    Anyway. I grew up, in Germany, with exactly the same prejudice. I was raised by my Grandma whose much-hated father was a sailor. So, for her, any and all tattoos were associated with a culture of rape, molestation, and abandonment.

  45. This is the first time I’ve heard of tattoos being equated with low-income; I’m too broke for my next tattoo, therefore I don’t yet have it– how the hell would one make that connection?

    I don’t mean this to sound patronizing, but are you under 25? Because if you are, you don’t remember a time when middle-class people with college degrees didn’t have tattoos. The ’90s was the first time that really happened; prior to that, they were a blue-collar/biker/military thing.

    If a huge tattoo could be the difference between getting into that prestigious law firm or not that could prompt a lot more worry and thought than getting a tat before a job interview at Walmart (do they care what you look like? At all?)

    Suits cover up a lot. If you don’t have your neck, face or hands tattooed (or lower legs, if you’re a woman and wear skirts), no one need know you have a tattoo. And unless you’re a complete idiot, you cover that shit up when you go for the interview.

    It was harder when you *had* to wear a skirt to interviews or to work, which is one reason I didn’t get a band around my ankle back in 1993.

  46. Classism is so overlooked in this country. I wonder if there are geographic differences in terms of places in the US with depressed economies and the frequency of tattoos. It strikes me that a tattoo is a fairly cheap and easy way to take control of something in your like. When you work a crappy job and are just getting by you might not have that much control in your life otherwise.

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