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Responsibility.

The Tuscaloosa News publishes a Letter to the Editor from a “pro-lifer” who insists that his movement had nothing to do with Dr. Tiller’s murder:

Babies’ lives saved when Tiller was shot

Published: Sunday, June 7, 2009 at 3:30 a.m.
Last Modified: Friday, June 5, 2009 at 9:52 p.m.

Dear Editor: It should come as no surprise that the director of Tuscaloosa’s own abortion clinic, Gloria Gray, admired her murdered colleague, Dr. George Tiller. What a role model he must have been to those who are in the business of taking innocent lives. With tens of thousands of confirmed kills, he made ordinary serial killers look like rank amatures.

I have to disagree with her statement that the anti-abortion groups were directly responsible for his death, though. The only person directly responsible would be the individual who shot him, as well as Dr. Tiller himself, for choosing to engage in an activity that stirs compassionate people to react like Mr. Roeder did.

I don’t think that one murder (or approximately 60,000, for that matter) should be answered by another one, but I also wonder how many babies lives have been saved by this action. “Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword.”

Larry Jones

Tuscaloosa

Yes, you got that right: The man who shot Tiller was actually “compassionate,” and it’s Tiller’s own fault he was killed — because he provided a legal medical service to women.

At least anti-choicers like this guy are consistent. It’s kind of funny to me to see anti-choice groups claiming to denounce Tiller’s murder and in the same breath call him a baby-killer. To borrow an example from the anti-choice playbook, if there were a man who was open-firing on a pre-school once a week and someone finally killed him, would anyone cast it as a tragedy? If there were a man open-firing on a preschool and the authorities refused to intervene, would “pro-life” groups really promote a policy of non-intervention?

I’m not suggesting that Scott Roeder was a “true” pro-lifer or anything like that; I am suggesting that the vast majority of people recognize that there is a moral difference between a fetus and a born human being, and act accordingly. Most “pro-lifers” don’t hold fertilized eggs or even developing fetuses in the same regard as they hold born children. There’s no massive “pro-life” effort to save all the fertilized eggs that naturally don’t implant and then die. When you point that out, their response is to argue that there’s a difference between intentional killing (i.e., abortion) and natural death (i.e., a fertilized egg not implanting) — which is all fine and good, except that surely they can chew gum and walk at the same time, no? If there were a disease that was wiping out a solid half of five-year-olds, I suspect we would be looking into a cure instead of just shrugging our shoulders and focusing only on child death by homicide. I don’t doubt that fetal life is a concern for most pro-lifers; I don’t think they’re motivated solely out of a desire to control women’s bodies. But I do think that social control, and control of women in particular, is a major factor. Why else oppose birth control and comprehensive sex ed? Why else oppose basic gender equality measures?

Bottom line: Mainstream “pro-life” groups are more about social control than preserving “life.” And they are acutely aware of the fact that their “baby-killer” rhetoric might actually be taken seriously, by people like Larry Jones in Tuscaloosa, Alabama who think murder is justified if it’s aimed at someone they don’t like, and also by people like Scott Roeder, who are willing to actually carry it out.

Oh, and now Roeder has announced that more “pro-life” violence is forthcoming. But sure, it has nothing to do with the anti-choice movement.

Thanks to Heather for the link.


24 thoughts on Responsibility.

  1. “Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword.”

    So I guess Mr. Jones will have no problem with Roeder getting the death penalty?

  2. So I guess Mr. Jones will have no problem with Roeder getting the death penalty?

    According to Kansas law, Roeder can’t receive the death penalty because only certain murders (double homicides, death of a police officer, murder in commission of a kidnapping etc.) can be tried as capital crimes and the Tiller shooting isn’t one of them. Imagine, though, that he could be. Kansas would then be arranging to kill a person for killing a person for killing a person. Isn’t that the very definition of a cycle of violence?

    Paul Bradford, Pro-Life Catholics for Choice

  3. I really believe that pro-lifers are fundamentally stupid, or at least ignorant. They focus so much on fetal life that they ignore the reality of the situation. They believe Dr. Tiller killed bright eyed chubby babies when he was saving horribly deformed feti from a short and painful life. With Dr. Tiller it becomes obvious just how little they care about women or children or human dignity because even a cursory examination into the potential horrors of pregnancy would show just how much of a hero Dr. Tiller was.

  4. Ashley,

    You’ll change your mind about Pro-Lifers being fundamentally stupid and/or ignorant if you’d trouble yourself to look at the
    PLCC website
    . Please look at “The Power of Words” (June 4) and “Reacting to the Tiller Verdict” (March 28).

    Paul Bradford, Pro-Life Catholics for Choice

  5. I really believe that pro-lifers are fundamentally stupid, or at least ignorant. They focus so much on fetal life that they ignore the reality of the situation.

    They only appear stupid because you take their rhetoric at face value. They don’t believe the horseshit they preach. The problem the forced-birth lobby has with abortion is that it violates the will of their little god, its a direct challenge to their entire belief system. Abortion (and contraception, homosexuality, drinking, dancing, you name it) constitutes a threat to their worldview because it means that human beings are able to take the reigns in their own lives rather than suck up whatever nature decides to throw at them. When your life is so empty that you have to dedicate it to screaming insults for a few shifts a week the thought that maybe you could have done something a bit more fulfilling is pretty fucking scary.

  6. One nitpick–I don’t think this guy is “consistent” at all. In one breath he says the anti-abortion movement is not responsible for this guy, then says that Roeder was a “compassionate” person who took out a mass murderer. How can someone use that kind of language and then claim that they are not responsible? It doesn’t make any sense.

  7. I don’t think they’re motivated solely out of a desire to control women’s bodies

    yeah they are. misogyny is the core of the forced-birther’s belief system.

  8. When your life is so empty that you have to dedicate it to screaming insults for a few shifts a week the thought that maybe you could have done something a bit more fulfilling is pretty fucking scary.

    That explains a lot.

    I’m not saying anything new, but this is appalling. People blindly accepting anything they hear (without thinking to investigate the facts) scares me like nothing else can.

  9. What #4 Chris said.

    These disclaimers are so transparent. You can’t say, “Killing X was wrong, but I’m glad he’s dead.”

    Well, you can, but nobody will believe you’re sincere.

    It’s a little bit like those “I’m sorry you were offended” apologies.

  10. It’s not so much that they are stupid, just that they have not embraced the Western tradition of science and reason. Instead, they stick to received religious authority, where truth is defined by appeals to historically vetted tradition. That’s why rational discourse can never solve this conflict. The other side is not stupid, but they are intractably irrational. All we can do is give our all to support the rule of law, and promote our rational worldview always and everwhere, to keep them from gaining any more law making power than they already have.

  11. The other side is not stupid, but they are intractably irrational. All we can do is give our all to support the rule of law, and promote our rational worldview always and everwhere, to keep them from gaining any more law making power than they already have.

    Assuming the other side is irrational is a dangerous step. They might have values radically different from ours, but they’re anything but irrational. Right now we’re seeing dissonance because they’re desperately trying for damage control, thats a rational motive. They’ve gone after late term abortion, after abortion in vulnerable states, after little victories which add up to big victories. These are not irrational behaviors, they are the rational steps (in the law, in the courts, in public opinion) of rational people attempting to achieve a goal about which they feel passionately. Confusing their fanaticism for irrationality, or their disregard of the truth for an inability to see reality, is a good way to get sideswiped.

  12. I agree with GallingGalla, as usual.

    It is quite repulsive to see the womb-control brigade responding to Dr Tiller’s murder with barely restrained joy.

  13. John, there’s no reason to link ‘Western tradition’ with ‘science and reason’. They are very much part of the ‘Western tradition’ and there is ‘science and reason’ developed all over the world.

  14. This is pretzel logic which supports violence while claiming to oppose it and which disregards life while claiming to cherish it. There is nothing compassionate or pro-life going on inside a man who can rationalize another man’s decision to gun down and murder Dr. Tiller.

    The pro-life rhetoric of violence has gone to seed and when it next bears fruit those who reacted to this murder with a cold heart may find the next selection of victims appalling and unforgivable. The same mindset which led men to bomb abortion clinics in the 1980s is what led men to bomb the Oklahoma City Federal Building with the full knowledge that it contained a daycare center.

  15. just as a note – the Bible is PRO-abortion:

    8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.

    9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. [KJV: Psalms 137.8-9]

  16. I often talk about the flagrant inconsistency of American “pro-life” groups. But, in fairness, they are perfectly consistent about one thing: if they have a choice between reducing abortion rates and regulating female sexuality, they’ll take the latter, as reliably as Carrot Top is unfunny.
    Scott Lemieux, Lawyers, Guns, and Money blog

    I couldn’t have said it better Scott.

  17. Resorting to violence seems to be a direct result of most pro-lifer’s intrinsicism. Values for this crowd aren’t relational and are the direct result of mandates by a higher power mediated through their perception of natural law. The life, health, safety or choice of the woman is not even a consideration for such individuals.

    There is a strain of this mistake on both the Left and the Right. The Religious Right, anti-choice terrorists personify this mentality on the Right, and the hardcore anti-technology environmental terrorists represent the same mentality on the Left. It is exceptionally difficult to reason with either group.

  18. It’s not so much that they are stupid, just that they have not embraced… science and reason.

    And it’s not so much that they haven’t embraced science and reason; they have explicitly rejected them and declared them to be mutually incompatible with their faith. They live in a world in which nothing happens without god’s hand providing impetus. Thus anyone who does something they don’t like (it doesn’t have to be abortion, but it’s often related* to sexuality outside of their rigid definition of what is proper) is not just wrong; they are the enemy of God.

    This way of looking at the world frankly terrifies me. Their locus of morality is completely externalised; they truly do not understand what keeps atheists like me from being serial killers on a monumental scale since we aren’t restrained by fear of eternal punishment.

    *The relationship may not make any damn sense, like their insistence that the very existence of queer folk is inappropriate for children. “A man and a woman love each other” is just fine and not sex. “A man and a man love each other” is nothing but sex and the wee tots should be protected from such knowledge. Which is how we got all the WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN???!!1? adverts in the Proposition 8 fight.

  19. As to all “pro-lifers”, the women Dr. Tiller saved are invisible to Mr. Jones. Why does he think several hundred of Dr. Tiller’s former patients came to his funeral?

    Also on Dr. Tiller’s murder, according to the New York Times, a protester showed up at the funeral with a sign that said, “God sent the shooter”. I read that to my wife and said, “You know, if a Muslim terrorist murdered a practicing Christian in his church, and another Muslim came to the funeral carrying that sign, he would be beaten to death in the street.” But, since the shooter was a Christianist terrorist, his apologist Bill O’Reilly gets a forum on national television, and his apologist Randall Terry gets an invitation to speak at the National Press Club in Washington. Now, what is wrong with this picture? Please tell your representatives and senators enough is enough.

  20. And it’s not so much that they haven’t embraced science and reason; they have explicitly rejected them and declared them to be mutually incompatible with their faith.

    This is not true. The pro-life community relies heavily on any science they feel supports their argument-fetal developement, film and photos of developing feti(is that actually a word?). To simply declare they shun science is not really accurate. It also denies the pro-lifers who are not religious (I know actual atheists that are pro-life, and rely solely on medical info for their reasoning).

    Note that I am not saying they use science accurately…but they do not reject science outright either.

  21. Trust me, there’s more:
    http://www.oanow.com/oan/news/opinion/letters/article/letter_to_the_editor_how_is_tillers_work_any_different_than_nazi_genocide/75371/

    Another letter to the editor from the great state of Alabama. I LOVE living here sometimes. This one compares Tiller to a Nazi and says that “if I were on his jury, this man would go free.”

    What. the. fuck. How do these people even see press? I support the First Amendment, but sometimes it’s hard! Sheesh.

  22. This way of looking at the world frankly terrifies me. Their locus of morality is completely externalised; they truly do not understand what keeps atheists like me from being serial killers on a monumental scale since we aren’t restrained by fear of eternal punishment.

    And that should tell you everything you need to know about the internal monologue of these kinds of people.

  23. kaninchen wrote, Their locus of morality is completely externalised; they truly do not understand what keeps atheists like me from being serial killers on a monumental scale since we aren’t restrained by fear of eternal punishment.

    It’s actually a good exercise to ask what it is that ‘keeps atheists from being serial killers’. When you ask that question you have a chance to arrive at the conclusion that justice and morality really do make life in the here-and-now quite a bit better for the living. You might also take note of the fact that upholding justice in this world requires the efforts of flesh-and-blood human beings because relying on divine intervention is pointless. Actually, you might come around to asking what it is that allows believers to uphold justice at all if they believe that ‘it’s all in His hands’.

    Fortunately, no one REALLY believes that justice can be upheld by divine intervention, nor is anyone oblivious to the advantages of justice enjoyed by those who have yet to ‘enter into eternity’. Justice is the everyone’s business and it’s not necessarily a ‘religious’ question (although religion can supply a context for discussing the matter.) We have to develop language that will enable people of any belief system to participate in a discussion about what responsibilities one person bears another.

    The abortion debate is really about what responsibilities people (especially mothers) have toward the unborn.

    Paul Bradford, Pro-Life Catholics for Choice

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