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Complicated and Conflicting Thoughts on Bill Baird

The other night, for the anniversary of Roe v. Wade, I attended an event in Rochester, NY with reproductive rights activist Bill Baird.  Until this event, I had never really heard of Bill Baird. I had heard of his famous Supreme Court case, Baird v. Eisenstadt, though I couldn’t cite it by name.  But upon learning who Baird was, I was immediately intrigued.

Who is Bill Baird?  Well, as stated, he was the defendant in Baird v. Eisenstadt, a very important case that not many people know.  Baird v. Eisenstadt built off of the famous Griswold v. Connecticut case, which said that the right to privacy means it is unconstitutional to outlaw contraception for married people, to rule that the same was true for unmarried people.  The case came up after Baird was arrested for giving contraceptive foam to a single 19-year-old woman (who was, at the time, considered a minor).  The decision contains the famous and significant line “If the right of privacy means anything, it is the right of the individual, married or single, to be free from unwarranted governmental intrusion into matters so fundamentally affecting a person as the decision whether to bear or beget a child.”  Importantly, its conclusions regarding privacy are the basis for the Roe v. Wade decision, where it is quoted several times, as well as the gay rights ruling Lawrence v. Texas.

Baird has been arrested 8 times in 5 different states for lecturing on birth control, including once where he was accused of endangering a minor because there was a 14-month-old infant in the audience.  He claims both to have introduced the first gay rights bill in 1969, and to have set up the nation’s first abortion clinic, illegally.  He is on anti-choice hit lists, has had a bullet come through his living room window, and had his health clinic firebombed by an anti-choice zealot.  He was also the defendant in the important Belotti v. Baird Supreme Court decision, which struck down a strict Massachusetts parental consent laws for minors seeking abortions.  Throughout all of it, he was refused the help of reproductive rights organizations, and publicly mocked and condemned not only by them but by prominent feminists such as Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem.

I learned all of this during his talk, and much, much more, which I am still turning over in my head.

Baird is, in a word, eccentric.  Of course, there’s a lot more to say about him than that.  After all, if the only thing you can say about a person is “he’s eccentric,” you’re almost certainly using the word wrong.

We arrived at the venue to find 34-page packets of news clippings about his work, photocopied and prepared by Baird himself, complete with underlined passages.  We then soon learned that he is the kind of man who would, and did, go outside with a giant pro-choice sign to confront the anti-choice protesters in front of the building “just to see where they were coming from.”  When Baird came back inside to start his presentation, he told us (to great laughter) that when they started talking to him about how “you can’t kill the pre-born,” he said that if fetuses are “pre-born” “then we’re all pre-dead!”  And yet, when an anti-choice activist interrupted the presentation to give Baird a copy of an anti-abortion film, he remained calm and urged the rest of the audience to do the same.

At first, Baird came off as just a bit outlandish and free-spirited.  And he did, undoubtedly, have many fascinating things to say with which I adamantly agreed.  He is a compelling speaker, if a bit prone to rambling and going off on tangents.  The problem with Baird was that the more he kept talking, the less there was to like.

He started off by talking about his history and what drove him to work as a reproductive rights activist in the first place.  He told a heartbreaking story about when a woman came into the hospital where he worked, bleeding out from a piece of a coat hanger stuck inside her cervix, lamenting the children she was leaving behind as she died in front of him.  And he said, very powerfully, that this woman, and the many women like her, weren’t even dying because they couldn’t get access to safe abortions.  They were dying because they didn’t have access to birth control to avoid the pregnancy in the first place.

Baird talked about a time when unwed women were put into prison — because intercourse outside of marriage was illegal, and officials felt that by jailing single (and I’m betting poor and black) pregnant women, they couldn’t have sex anymore and the welfare roles would therefore be lowered.  He talked about being asked by a friend to do something about birth control access, and initially refusing, knowing that the sentence for distributing information about birth control in Massachusetts was 10 years.  He talked about changing his mind, because he had seen so many women suffer.  Baird got arrested on purpose.  And he claimed to recognize early on in his crusade that if he was successful in having his case heard in front of the Supreme Court, and if he won, it would lay the groundwork for the legalization of abortion.

In one of the most compelling moments of the night, he held up an old newspaper clipping which read “Mother Begs for Birth Control,” and asked the audience “why should any woman have to beg for medical care?”

But he also talked openly, and at length, about his status as a fringe and radical member of the reproductive rights movement, and how he was shunned by the major organizations and feminists alike.  Planned Parenthood, NOW, the ACLU and Allen Guttmacher all refused to back him with his case.  Planned Parenthood called him “embarrassing” and said that there was “nothing to be gained” from his case; the ACLU said “we don’t think the case has constitutional merits.” (Quotes taken from packet of new clippings provided by Baird.)  Planned Parenthood, at the time, also opposed abortion rights and thought that Baird was truly radical for supporting them.  He was, in fact, rejected by the feminist and reproductive health movements and left on his own for all intensive purposes.  And he is still pissed.

I do, actually, think that it’s important to remember our history.  And there’s a lot of ugly stuff in there.  So I don’t exactly begrudge him for calling out those organizations that ignored and rejected him.  And I even understand why he is hurt and angry, and think that to some extent, he is right.

I also couldn’t help but ask myself over and over again why he was rejected.  And, namely, why did feminist Robin Morgan (along with other feminists, according to the news clippings) call him a male-supremacist/chauvinist?  They seem like fair questions.  And it also seems that there’s no one easy answer.

Well, Baird thinks that there is one.  Baird stated that “there’s a lot of sexist people” in the feminist movement.  He meant sexist against men.  Later, he also stated that he is an “equalist,” and thinks we all ought to be.  In other words, Baird thinks that his penis is the reason that he was kept out of the movement, and rejected despite the strong advancements he helped to bring about.

Of course, anyone who starts railing about sexism against men and “equalism” instantly gets on my bad side.  As I said, the more he went on, the less there was to like.  This is the case even though I don’t doubt that it’s at least partially true that his maleness kept him out of the movement’s good graces.

What are the other (majority) parts?  Well, that’s where it starts to get interesting.

According to the articles provided, many think that Baird’s seeming extremism made feminists wary that he was an interloper attempting to make their cause look ridiculous (Betty Friedan insinuated that he was a C.I.A. agent).  In another article provided, it’s suggested, quite interestingly, that he was rejected by them because the mainstream movement was white and middle-class, and Baird focused on issues facing women who were poor and of color.  I found this explanation to be quite compelling, actually, knowing that white second wave feminists and organizations like Planned Parenthood did largely ignore the reproductive rights needs of poor women of color.  Even though Baird seemingly didn’t focus his efforts on issues like the right to parent, he did seem to take a lot of rights that white feminists were working to procure and attempted to extend them to the women outside that circle.

But it also seems to me that Bill Baird got his ass in trouble because he saw himself as a one-man show and only sought out the help of women who had been doing this work for a long time when it was convenient for him.  He didn’t speak once of consulting with feminists or other reproductive rights activists a single time before taking action.  And I’m not just talking about mainstream, white feminists — he didn’t speak of working with women of color, on whom his efforts were supposedly focused, either.  (Nor, of course, did he accuse the movement of racism.  Only sexism against men.)

He also did, in many respects, come across as quite clueless.  One article he provided quotes him as saying that Gloria Steinem wouldn’t even thank him for giving her the right to use birth control.  And though I don’t doubt at all that his experiences in jail were horrific, and have sympathy for what he went through, it did feel rather insensitive when he started asking an audience of 95% women how they would feel if they had to live under the constant fear of rape.

In short, his tone when discussing these issues struck me as arrogant.  And he struck me as clueless about how feminism should be a women’s movement.  I strongly believe that feminism needs male allies to succeed. I believe that men can be feminists.  But it seems pretty clear that when men start wanting the spotlight and all the credit, there’s a problem.  Baird expressed absolutely no appreciation for the work of women before him or after him.  Baird has clearly not been given credit that he deserves, but he also appears to want a lot more than that.  He seems to me to really, really want the credit for work that was being done by women for many, many years.

Remember, earlier last year, when Hillary Clinton got herself in trouble for ascribing too much credit to LBJ for civil rights victories?  While no analogy will ever be perfect, I personally saw a parallel.  Yeah, LBJ did something good.  Yes, if he hadn’t done the right thing, civil rights victories probably would have taken significantly longer to come about.  But he’s also not the hero of the civil rights movement.  No, that would go to the men and women of color who were beaten, killed, arrested, sprayed with fire hoses, etc., who did the leg work to secure their own freedom.  Bill Baird put in a good amount of leg work himself, but he didn’t do it all.  And he came across as yet another instance of a white guy trying to get all the credit for liberating an oppressed people of which he was not a member.

Baird said at one point during the evening that “you may not like how I did it but I did it the only way I knew how and as effectively as I could.”  And I thought: “did you ever once think to ask those already doing this work how you could have been most effective?”  In addition to Clinton’s LBJ gaffe, I’m also reminded heavily of the way that white feminists have been rightfully criticized on many occasions by women of color for acting before consulting, trying to take a lead on other people’s issues, getting messiah complexes and not shutting up and listening.  I’m reminded of many, many people, in other words, who have found it really difficult to act as an ally because they were unable to examine their privilege and check it at the door.

At the same time, Baird railed angrily against the arrogance of men for pretending as though they could know the pain and agony that women have endured as the result of oppression.  He railed against anyone telling women what they can do with their own bodies; he similarly berated straight people (he himself is straight) for telling gay people who they can and can’t fuck, and who they can and can’t marry.

And I didn’t doubt for a moment that Baird was sincere in his convictions towards furthering women’s place in the world.  I also don’t doubt for a moment that Baird’s actions were ultimately good intentioned, and in the end just good overall.  Further, I think that the other reasons cited above — the white feminist movement’s lack of interest in racial justice, concerns that he was not sincere, and unwillingness to get involved in incredibly controversial issues — likely played something of a role in Baird’s ultimate rejection.  I even agree with my friend Betty who said after the presentation that every movement needs its fringe people to keep them honest.  And we should, I think, thank Bill Baird for his service to the movement, however clumsy.

But that doesn’t change my conflicting view of him.  He didn’t make me blink any less rapidly when he declared that we’re fighting a “holy war” against anti-choice forces, and when he suggested that we should sue the Catholic Church (something about lobbying on behalf of a foreign nation, the Vatican, inside the U.S.).  It doesn’t make me particularly like his tactic of picketing outside of churches while carrying a giant cross that says “free women from the oppression of the cross.”  It doesn’t change my criticisms above regarding how he interacted with feminism.

And by the time he got to asking the audience to help him get speaking gigs because he needs the money, or to write him letters thanking him for his service because it would make him feel better, I didn’t know whether to feel really angry at him, grateful to him, or really sorry for him.

I feel a lot of things at once.  My mind is forced to stress for the one millionth time how few things in life are cut and dry.  Bill Baird seems to be a walking reminder.


60 thoughts on Complicated and Conflicting Thoughts on Bill Baird

  1. Something rubs me the wrong way about criticizing someone for not consulting with established activist organizations. Should activism be centralized and coordinated? Should there be a monopoly? What is the virtue of consulting on everything?

    The same thing bothers me about Prop 8 protesters canceling rallies because they couldn’t get a permit.

  2. Something rubs me the wrong way about criticizing someone for not consulting with established activist organizations. Should activism be centralized and coordinated? Should there be a monopoly? What is the virtue of consulting on everything?

    But that’s not what I’m attempting to do. You’ll note that I didn’t only say that he didn’t consult with established organizations, but with feminists period. He didn’t talk about meeting with smaller women’s groups or doing community outreach to ask them what they needed and wanted. He talked of looking around and making the conclusion on his own. And he seemed to have no respect for the fact that yes, he is male, and yes he should have enough respect for women to talk with them before deciding that he was going to go around saving them.

    I think that movements are about collective action. That doesn’t mean you necessarily need to hold a meeting about everything. But it does mean that there needs to be dialogue. And I don’t think that you can shun the collective action and do your own thing, then want the collective action when your ass gets in trouble.

  3. Cara I’m sorry that my husband’s speech left you feeling that he was somehow against women. All I can say is that you have to walk a mile in someone’s shoes before really knowing their motivations. We only get one piece of a very large puzzle. Having worked side by side with him for 11 years, and personally knowing him, I can tell you that he would give the shoes off of his feet if you had none. Also, making assumptions about him without having many facts you may need is important. Bill reached out thousands of times to feminist leaders. Feminists have always supported his work however not those at the top of the heirarchy chain. He doesn’t somehow fit the sex test. I think that our goal in society should be one of true equality. Creating the same old tired out power structures has not worked for centuries. I’ve experiened, sadly, what happens when women gain power. They begin acting just like men who had the power for centuries. So for me it is important to not be fooled by the form corruption takes but rather the content.

  4. Speaking as someone who gave money to Bill Baird’s causes back in the 70’s I think you’ve got him just about correct.

    He was always out beyond the comfort zone of the rest of the movement. Whatever line you set for the then current state of discourse he took a step over it. Always far enough out to annoy anyone with any hope of argument and persuasion directed at the mainstream. And he was always personally annoying and never had a good word to say about anyone else’s motives or concerns.

    At the same time, he used his causes and money to draw the fire away from the rest of us and his energy and the services he provided were incredibly valuable.

    He was to reproductive rights what John Brown was to abolition. He made the rest of us seem reasonable.

  5. This is such an interesting portrait, Cara. I’m willing to bet there are other lesser-known figures in the pro-choice movement who’d leave you and me feeling similarly ambivalent. From its very beginning, birth control activism attracted a motley bunch of people – feminists, eugenicists, doctors, population control advocates – who often clashed on both personality and goals.

    From my academic research, I know loads about the German pro-birth control, pro-sexual freedom movement of the early 20th century. The feuds they carried on in public – including lawsuits, allegations of defamation, and organizational schisms – make modern pro-choice activists look perfectly cohesive in comparison. Big egos collided with zealousness. Each leader thought he or she had all the answers. It makes me wonder if there’s a tendency for pioneers in social change to be know-it-alls who don’t play well with others.

  6. Hershele,

    He decided what to do for other people without asking those people what they needed or wanted. Its the same “I know whats best for you even when you don’t” mentality that the people he opposes have, and is his blatant privilege talking. Its not about monopoly, its about actually being helpful in a way meaningful to those who need it.

  7. Cara I’m sorry that my husband’s speech left you feeling that he was somehow against women. All I can say is that you have to walk a mile in someone’s shoes before really knowing their motivations.

    Thanks for taking the time to comment, Joni. I agree that you have to walk a mile in someone’s shoes before knowing their motivations — but as you’ll note here, I did conclude that I believe your husband’s to be good. And I’m sorry that my post left you feeling that I think your husband is anti-woman. That was not my intention. I don’t think he’s against women. But he left me with the impression that he could have (and still could) interact with women a lot more positively.

    Lastly, I just want to point out — and I thought I made it clear in the post — that I don’t intend this to be some kind of definitive statement on the man. I could only write about what I heard and read from the packet he put together, and because he has been pushed out of the movement so regularly there’s not a wealth of independent information online. This is merely my impressions from spending a night listening to him talk. Clearly, he gave me quite a bit to think about, and I’m very glad that I attended his presentation. Thank you both for coming out to share with us.

  8. Has this been a bad week for you, Cara? Your last two posts have both been critical of somebody for doing the right thing, for the right reasons, but not exactly the way you would have wanted them to do it. (This post, and the global gag rule post.) What’s going on?

  9. Oh, libdevil, I’m just a cranky feminist who thinks that men can’t do anything right. But thanks so much for your concerns about my personal life and state of mind.

  10. To answer your question about Morgan, she might have referred to Baird as a male-supremacist because she writes things like, “I haven’t the faintest notion what possible revolutionary role white heterosexual men could fulfill, since they are the very embodiment of reactionary-vested-interest-power.” While she appears to have backed off this position in recent years, it shouldn’t be surprising that someone who sees all men as “the very embodiment of reactionary-vested-interest-power” would see a particular man as the same.

    When you put it in that context, I think his failure to network with the larger community of women’s groups seems reasonable. When those on the forefront of the movement are calling you a stoolie or a nut, why would you believe that those closer to the ground would be any more willing to work with you?

  11. I can’t really tell if your reply is tongue in cheek or actually offended, so I’m just going to apologize and drop the subject.

  12. This is actually (believe it or not) my first time blogging as I’m a techno dinosaur. Cara when I first met Bill I too could not understand why so many feminist leaders attacked him. After 11 years of studying (and writing his never-ending bio) I’ve digested a lot of information on the topic and I’m continuing to try to understand the reactions that my husband evokes. Social reformers are necessary – like cosmic cattleprods – that are capable of moving society forward a bit quicker. When people are not ready for change, or feel like some grandstanding upstart is on their turf, they react in various ways. People have projected their issues onto Bill. I find it interesting how he has been labeled the Devil, a Saint, male Margaret Sanger, Sexual Pied Piper, etc.

    The truth as I can testify to is that Bill wasn’t interested in sitting in a board room (as was the case with Margaret Sanger) but rather wanted to act. He felt that way because he thought if he didn’t someone out there – some unknown woman, her family or children, would suffer and may even die. Not to make him sound arrogant but he did not have time to wait for others to evolve. (Alan Guttmacher said in the 60s that we had to wait for evolution not revolution with regards to the abortion laws.) I always boil it down to my belief that Bill has ADHD!

    I can only say that is as you picked up extremely complicated in form but not in content. His heart is pure gold and his intentions the same. We are all struggling on this planet to create a better world. We progressive minds need to meld together like steel on our core beliefs and work side by side. Yes, like in any family there are petty differences but those should not divide us but make more for open minded lively discussion. I apologize for taking up too much of your board’s space!

  13. Very interesting post. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I think you bring up a number of very legitimate points about Baird and his work (with which, as you say you were to start with, I was unfamiliar by name but familiar in the very broad strokes as a background in the struggle for contraceptive and abortion rights). In any issue like this, there is room for analysis and even criticism of someone’s motivations while acknowledging (and honouring!) the work that they have accomplished.

    It is often very difficult for people close to someone being so examined to deal with any criticism that might ensue, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the criticism isn’t warranted. As someone above notes, the efforts toward safe, widely-available, unstigmatised contraception and abortion has always rested partially on the backs of people whose motives were not what I would consider good. That doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate that my life is better because they did the right thing–it just means that I need to make sure I qualify my approval with my reservations. As you have done. It doesn’t weaken the process–healthy debate and the brisk exchange of ideas can only improve the process.

    Thanks again for this very thoughtful post.

  14. I don’t think gratitude needs to be linked to another’s motivations. For example, when the neurosurgeon performed emergency brain surgery on my son in 2005, I was extremely grateful to him that he saved his life. I don’t need to know whether he did it for the enormous yearly monetary benefit he received or not. (By the way – speaking of purist motives – Bill paid hundreds of thousands of dollars of what could have been his earnings towards his 3 U.S. Supreme Court cases and countless other cases and for free abortions and medical care for women. Now at age 76, he has to worry about things he should not have to. He continues to direct our non profit without a salary. What else but love could be motivating him?

  15. Cara, thanks for the great research and a fascinating post. This is a multidimensional look at a complex subject.

    I am a little confused about how, if Baird focused on issues facing women who were poor and of color, lack of concern for racial justice would be one of the reasons he was not accorded credibility for white feminists, as you indicate the latter were not as inclusive as he wanted to be.

    Anyway, that said, I think your analysis seems right on. I just hesitate to get too critical about allies who’ve made a difference — don’t want to make it seem too difficult a task.

  16. Thanks Octo, as for this:

    lack of concern for racial justice would be one of the reasons he was not accorded credibility for white feminists, as you indicate the latter were not as inclusive as he wanted to be.

    I was referring to lack of concern about racial justice on behalf of white feminists, not Baird. Rereading it though, I can see how that might be unclear so I’m editing it 🙂

  17. Cara: I’ve known Bill Baird since 1976…and I gotta say that your analysis of him is spot on. He does evoke a disquieting mixture of great admiration for his courage, annoyance at some of his tactics, appreciation for his sacrifices, and sadness for his overwhelming need for validation. I have to say though that he was the first person I heard predict the upcoming violence unleashed from the anti-abortion radicals about the time Ronald Reagan was elected. He warned all of us in the movement about their potential tactics. He was right.

  18. It also needs to be added that there are areas in which Robin Morgan herself is open to some very severe criticisms. She may well have been irritated by specific things that Bill Baird said or did, but she was also someone ideologically unsympathetic to having male allies except those who did precisely what they were told (probably by her).

    She had her own agendas on a lot of feminist issues back in the day and was quite unscrupulous about how she pursued herlook at the way that she was seriously involved in creating the prejudice within the women’s movement against trans people.

  19. What some on this board may feel is Bill’s need to be “validated” I have discovered is actually his fighting back against being invalidated.

    Women were invalidated for centuries. When they began to fight against their contributions being marginalized or effaced, many attacked back calling them “hysterical” or emotional due to their feminine nature.

    This is something I’ve experienced with women myself. Being assertive when you feel that you’ve been attacked will often leave you on the cutting room floor, marginalized and a lone wolf. There must be a better way.

  20. Could you please clarify which court cases Planned Parenthood, NOW, ACLU, et al, wouldn’t help him with? The one that found a right to contraception for unmarried people? Or the one that overturned the parental notification law? Or both?

    And I had no idea that Planned Parenthood used to oppose abortion rights. Learn something new every day.

  21. Chingona, they wouldn’t help with Baird v. Eisenstadt. It was unclear whether or not he had help with Belotti v. Baird (the parental notification case); perhaps Joni would have an answer to that.

    And yup. Planned Parenthood has been around since the 30s . . . and there’s been a lot of evolution in that span of time!

  22. Excellent, thoughtful piece. I learned a lot from this, and will continue to think on it. Perhaps this piece on Baird might cue similarly nuanced follow-ups: on him, his work and complicated position in the movement, but also on other folks who have been pretty much written out of the story, or who have done tremendous good outside of the “normal” venues and strategies.

  23. Cara,

    Its just the problem of living in a universe where the people aren’t perfect like we are! 😉

    In all seriousness, our feminist icons are people…as screwed up and flawed as we are. People don’t fit into boxes of good and bad…wise and foolish…revered and hated…

    It reminds me of the narrative I’ve grown increasingly uncomfortable with over the last few years. It feels as if there is an idea out there that if people don’t agree with us on every issue or have a different perspective or have different priorities…there is something WRONG with them…as opposed to that they just are coming from a different space.

    Plus as always I have to take issue with the “there is no sexism against men” idea. 🙂 We live in a kyriarchy not just a patriarchy. A man who fails to follow the rules on what a man “should” be is also going to get shit for not meeting expectations. They’re experience with kyriarchy is part of the same oppression you and I experience as women.

  24. Thank you Cara,
    Chingona,
    Baird v. Eisenstadt came about when Bill challenged a law in Massachusetts called “Crimes Against Chastity, Decency Morality and Good Order.” He was arrested and sentenced to prison for three months. During that time Planned Parenthood officials said there was “nothing to be gained by the Baird case” and that the only way to change the law was through legislation (which had not proven to be the case over and over).

    PP also stated that he was an “embarrassment” to them. The ACLU took the case publicly then dropped it 3 weeks later stating it had no constitutional foundation.
    NOW was newly formed and took the stance that if he had been a woman they would have backed him.

    According to Roy Lucas, one of the attorneys for Roe v. Wade, Baird v. Eisenstadt supplanted the Griswold v. Connecticut case which was for the “married entity” not for individuals. Baird v. Eisenstadt became the foundation for cases like Roe v. Wade and the 2003 case Griswold v. Connecticut as well as many others.

    In Baird v. Bellotti I and Baird v. Bellotti II, Bill was fighting for the rights of minors to abortion. In the middle of his case he was suddenly sued by Planned Parenthood to argue half of his case.

    In the early years when Bill began (1963), Planned Parenthood literature stated “abortion takes the life of a child once it has begun.” Obviously they don’t feel that way anymore.

    The National Abortion Rights Action League was founded by many people such as Lonny Myers MD, Betty Friedan, Lawerence Lader, Bill Baird etc. Bill was kicked off of the board because they were concerned that his arrests were interfering with fundraising efforts. Lonny Myers quite as a result. I saw Lonny tonight (she has Alzheimers and is in a nursing home near me). I told her that she should have stayed and not quit. She had and has an amazing intellect and though small in stature she is a courageous giant. Bill is the only person in our movement, after all Lonny has given financially and otherwise, who visits her in her more difficult hour.
    The same is true for Nancy Klein who he helped in 1989 after three right to lifers sued for guardianship of her fetus when she was in a coma from a car crash. Bill speaks to Nancy weekly. They made a movie about her entitled “Absolute Strangers.” Bill’s part was changed to a woman. Henry Winkler who played the husband of Nancy said that Bill had only been using Nancy to exploit her for his own gain. Yet 20 years later, Bill cares for Nancy, encourages her when she is down – not Henry Winkler. Nancy is in a wheelchair and is paralyzed. Her husband left her in the rehabilitation home after the accident and took custody of their 3 year old daughter at the time.

  25. Plus as always I have to take issue with the “there is no sexism against men” idea. 🙂 We live in a kyriarchy not just a patriarchy. A man who fails to follow the rules on what a man “should” be is also going to get shit for not meeting expectations. They’re experience with kyriarchy is part of the same oppression you and I experience as women.

    Yes, but that sexism isn’t a result of oppression coming from women; its the old Patriarchy Hurts Men, Too. And that doesn’t seem at all to be what Baird was talking about. The idea of women being sexist against men strikes me as much the same as people of color being racist against whites (though maybe you think that exists, too). It’s possible for women to oppress men in other ways — for being of color, gay, trans, and so on — but I don’t think based on the virtue that they’re men. Just like it’s possible for a black man to be oppressive towards white women, but not in our society because of her whiteness.

  26. In all seriousness, our feminist icons are people…as screwed up and flawed as we are. People don’t fit into boxes of good and bad…wise and foolish…revered and hated…

    Oh, and I agree with this of course. Actually, I think that if there was a “theme” to this whole post, that was it.

  27. Speaking more generally and not about Baird in particular, this reminds me of a broader issue I’m pondering in the feminist movement lately. I think we’re quick to criticize people and groups whose motivations or beliefs aren’t ideologically pure, and I see others write these allies and their accomplishments off as a gesture toward feminist action instead of recognizing their accomplishments as feminist progress in itself. Today, for example, I’m seeing a lot of writing online about how Obama’s move to repeal the Global Gag Rule is not a win for women because it isn’t backed by legislation/Obama isn’t a real feminist/he didn’t hold a press conference, regardless of the fact that a repeal of the GGR, even without backing legislation, is going to markedly improve the lives of women around the world. Do we really need him to say “FUCK YEAH I’M A FEMINIST!!!111!” when feminist groups have his ear, and when he’s taking action on feminist issues? People are complicated, but I want progress.

    Over the years as I’ve learned and grown as a feminist, I’ve canonized the ideologies of and yet have been disappointed by the real meat of all kinds of feminists, from bell hooks to Andrea Dworkin, Derrick Jensen to Robin Morgan to the bazillion bloggers whose stories help crystallize my own. Do I need them to be less complicated, or do I need movement?

    Back to Baird: I don’t know anything about Baird other than what was written in Cara’s post, but it appears his court rulings are major contributions to how my generation can live with a sexual freedom that was impossible before. There is friction both ways. It is irritating that Baird seems to want to micromanage his own legacy and yet also irritating that others find him scary despite major contributions to the feminist movement’s goals.

    Thanks for the great post, Cara. You’ve got me thinking aloud. 🙂

  28. In all seriousness, our feminist icons are people…as screwed up and flawed as we are. People don’t fit into boxes of good and bad…wise and foolish…revered and hated…

    I see ya’ll got to my point before I did. Shorter Lauren: What Kristen J said.

  29. Cara, this is a really interesting piece. One small critique: at the Supreme Court level, I believe the case was called Eisenstadt v. Baird, not the reverse.

  30. Yes, but that sexism isn’t a result of oppression coming from women

    Really? You’ve never heard a mom tell her son that “boys don’t cry”? I have one guy friend who has internalized his mother’s mantra…no one will ever love him if he isn’t a “good provider.”

    I think the difference in our perspective is that I think words like racism and sexism are inadequate to describe what is going on. For example, I think about the oppression a female Polish pro bono client that I met last week has experienced since she first came to the US. Some people don’t like her because she wasn’t born in the US. Some people don’t like her because she doesn’t speak like they do. Some people don’t like her because she’s Polish, female and orthodox Catholic. You can’t encompass her experience from not being able to find a job to being ignored by waitresses as either racism or sexism or even xenophobia. It doesn’t fit neatly into any of those categories. Its just the experience of a person in the kyriarchy.

    Its absolutely true that the kyriarchy prefers certain groups over others. Men get preference over Women. Straight persons get preference over all other sexual orientations. The rich get preference over the poor. All other things being equal. But when is everything equal? People are a mix of privileges and disadvantages.

    Not to mention that those privileges are only really privileges if you are a conforming member of the privileged group. In this sense, oppression is a function of the disconnect between our sense of self and social expectation
    It sucks to be a guy that wants to stay at home with his kids or cries at sappy movies. Probably not as much as it sucks to be the woman who doesn’t want to have kids or hates kittens…but why compare?

    In addition, it’s all oppression. It’s all the same thing. Distinguishing sexism, classism and racism makes it appear that we’re not all fighting the same battle.

    But most importantly, IMO, it allows us to place blame on some “other” and avoid blame for ourselves.

    If the problem is the patriarchy then the MEN are to blame. Yup…those evil men…they did it…women aren’t complicit in the oppression of anyone and in fighting our own oppression we can screw over anyone because we’ve been oppressed.

    If the problem is the kyriarchy, then we are ALL to blame…we are complicit in maintaining this social structure…and we are all suffering as a result of that social structure. We all have a stake in ending oppression, together…

    But that’s too much thinking on a Saturday night…

  31. Kristen, I truly enjoyed your post and agree with you. Again, we look too much at form instead of content. It’s as if we have two minds – one wants to join and one wants to divide. And the more I watch “The Dog Whisperer” the more I believe our animal instincts are more prevelant than we realize.

  32. “I found this explanation to be quite compelling, actually, knowing that white second wave feminists and organizations like Planned Parenthood did largely ignore the reproductive rights needs of poor women of color.”

    Can you go into more detail on this? At least in the seventies, Planned Parenthood clinics in my state were located most often in nonwhite areas, and the clientele was majority nonwhite. Services were provided on a sliding pay scale.

    They may not have been fully attentive, but I wouldn’t characterize this as largely ignoring their reproductive rights needs.

  33. i remember a few years ago, a classmate did a presentation on Baird. it said most what you said. i was paired with her for the presentation because the teacher had decided that both of us were giving “radical” presentations; Naiomi was considered “radical” because her presentation was about how feminism needed to reach out to men more, have male feminist allies, and used Baird as the key example for this idea. she talked about the work he did, and compared him to men who worked in the Suffragist movement and who are the ones who passed laws allowing women to vote. so her point was that while feminism is primarily a movement about women, women’s rights, and women taking action, she really thought that most of the goals of feminism could only be accomplished with help from male femists.

    i don’t know that i agree 100% – i can see where some women resent male feminists, because there IS a tendency for men in general to at least be percieved as taking all the credit (most of the male feminists i know do NOT try to get credit, but for some fucked up reason the media always tends to act as if the guys are doing the all the work for the women, and the women are just there as window dressing and are only trying to work for women’s issues to please those men. it pisses me off, but this is a societal perception).

    this post of yours was really good – i had forgotten a lot of what i had learned about Baird and the early parts of the movement. i cannot imagine trying to live in a world where i can be thrown in jail for having sex – but that world is only a generation ago, and there are so many people who are working so hard to bring that world back. to be perfectly honest, it scares the hell out of me. it scares me that there are people who LITERALLY want me to die (this is true in multiple ways. i am a “whore” who deserves punishment because i have sex when and how and with who i want; i have AIP and pregnancy will kill me, so i have had an abortion and there are people who would want to kill me for that, and there are people who want to take away my birth control and want me to get pregnant and die THEN…)

    there are no easy answers about people. i like to think of Baird as a man who really wanted (wants) everyone to be treated as exactly the same but who has had to struggle incessently to overcome his early programing about how to treat people. our ideals and our training often come into conflict – i have an amusing example. i need a cane to walk, and so every where i go someone inevitably open doors for me. i try to be gracious about accepting this. but, when i turn around and hold a door open for a guy (especially when its a double door and i am holding it for the guy who opened the first for me) despite the fact that i am just returing a favor… i would say 80% of the time the guy REFUSES to go through the door while i am holding for him. he trys to take it away from me, or insists i go through first or something along these lines. and, most of the time, i give in. i let my societal training (guys open doors for women because it is gallant and polite and women let them because of the same reasons) overcome my ideals (everyone opens doors for everyone when they can because it is a nice polite thing to do).

    i imagine that this is what you were noticing about Baird, this unonscience struggle to overcome societal programming we all sop up from birth. i imagine it’s probably a bit easier to see in someone of his age and experience, and that meeting and listening to would make one feel as if he were almost overcompensating, if that makes sense. its a little easier for us, because while we still are taught all the patriarchy societal bullshit, we have also seen a world where true equality is a goal that is ACCEPTABLE. we grew up in a world where feminism has taken a toe-hold. so we don’t have to fight the programming quite so hard, and we have all been taught, at least a little, to question our programmed responses, question society, question ourselves. Baird had to teach himself, and that is infinitly harder.

  34. The name Bill Baird rang a bell and, sure enough, I found a bit of a manifesto against him by Shulamith Firestone back in 1968. The criticisms she leveled then are similar to the ones you listed today. The crux, though, was something a lot closer to “yes, thank you, you’ve done good work on women’s behalf but…

    Within the last year many radical women’s groups have sprung up throughout the country. This was caused by the fact that movement women found themselves playing secondary roles on every level…be it in terms of leadership, or simply in terms of being listened to. They found themselves (and others) afraid to speak up because of self-doubts when in the presence of men. Their roles ended up concentrating on food-making, typing, mimeographing, general assistance work, and as a sexual supply for their male comrades after hours.

    There was a wistful note at the end of Bill’s interview on WBAI. He said something to the effect that, who knows, perhaps some day women will really get angry. I thought about that. Because some of us, still very few, are getting angry. And we are getting angry now. I hope Bill will not have to wait for his Utopia quite do long as he thinks. I hope that it will be very soon when we approach him, en masse, strong, organized, conscious, and say:

    We sincerely thank you, Bill Baird, for your great sacrifice. You and people like you have helped us immensely in our struggle to become aware. And now, sooner that you predicted, your wish has come true. We are angry at last. So angry that we no longer need you to fight our fight.

    Without taking *anything* away from Baird’s work — without his pro-contraception and pro-abortion activism I doubt I’d have been able to get a vasectomy, at age 21, in Massachusetts, in the mid-1970s — I think her thank you was the completely, non-snarkily authentic expression of gratitude he’s sought. But it was also a pointed “we can take it from here… no, *really* we can take it from here.” If he’d heard either, or both of those things he might have felt properly appreciated, and maybe derived greater acceptance, over the last 41 years.

    figleaf

    p.s. I think Sungold’s has an excellent point about people who see a solution before most others (wow, Planned Parenthood? Really?) even think there’s a problem. If he was a real go along to get along type he… probably would have just gone along and gotten along with the status quo ante. We probably couldn’t have the characteristics we appreciate about him if he didn’t also have the characteristics he’s criticized for.

  35. Just speaking as another asshole, I found Cara‘s post to be both informative and somewhat disturbing.

    I’d say alot of things, but I think it boils down to a “respect your elders” stance. I’m not saying that Baird might not have been they way he was or that your observations were biased, but it kinda sorta sounds like he was a crotchety old guy who’s seen stuff and done stuff and needs stuff (like cash and validation), but has no ability to beg. I think, though I do not know how I would have reworked the post if I had been Cara, that more thought toward the guy’s dignity might have been warranted.

    Trust me, I would know how hard it is to get credit for what you do (or *are*) if you aren’t among the in-clique. Alot of times you literally can’t afford not to keep the spotlight on yourself. Moreover, the number of genuinely nice, productive, inspirational people there are who has died in poverty because they’ve always shared the credit is legion. Many of them in horrifying ways. As a professional asshole, Baird has few people but himself to spread the word about his good works. I think he’s entitled, in the end, to hog as much credit as he wants–He’s an old guy who’s seen stuff and done stuff, and most old guys like him pull this sort of crap.

  36. Really? You’ve never heard a mom tell her son that “boys don’t cry”? I have one guy friend who has internalized his mother’s mantra…no one will ever love him if he isn’t a “good provider.”

    Yes, but that’s still sexism against femininity. It’s misogyny turned on its head and directed at men. It’s crap that hurts men but is ultimately used to hold up systems that oppress women in a far more concrete and damaging manner. Why compare? Because it’s about examining privilege. No there’s no point in comparing which is worse, sexism or racism. (Though it certainly is important to look at how the two interact.) But which is worse, oppression against men or oppression against women? I do think that’s worth comparing. I do think it’s worth focusing on women’s issues over men’s issues. Just like I think it’s worth focusing on POC issues over white issues, gay issues over straight issues, trans issues of cis issues, etc.

    If the problem is the patriarchy then the MEN are to blame. Yup…those evil men…they did it…women aren’t complicit in the oppression of anyone and in fighting our own oppression we can screw over anyone because we’ve been oppressed.

    Some people do think like this, and have acted like it. Certainly. But I think that to pretend that this is what the concept of patriarchy does, period, is dishonest and frankly pretty upsetting/insulting. I’m down with the concept of kyriarchy. But I also don’t think that means we can just retire all of the other separate isms and use the word for everything. Hey, maybe I’m understanding it wrong, but I don’t think that’s what the concept is about.

  37. That Firestone essay is intriguing since it was written in 1968, before the Supreme Court rulings of Eisenstadt, or much later with Belotti.

    Then I go and read the wiki on Shulamith Firestone herself.

    Damn, this is a profoundly interesting thread. I usually read about this kind of stuff in biographies. An internet thread like this is so much more interactive and syncretic!

  38. Do we really need him to say “FUCK YEAH I’M A FEMINIST!!!111!” when feminist groups have his ear, and when he’s taking action on feminist issues?

    What? He has said he is a feminist, although (regrettably?) he did not use the word “fuck,” and yes, saying it straight out the way he did certainly was significant and absolutely does matter.

  39. Figleaf wrote: “But it was also a pointed “we can take it from here… no, *really* we can take it from here.”

    Correct me if I’m wrong however if said manifesto was written in 1968 and its author truly wanted to “take it from here” why didn’t she volunteer to take over Bill’s prison sentence? Then it could have been she who got to chase rats from her cell, pick bugs out of her food and be subjected to body searches etc. And she could have fought for 5 years and spent her retirement funds to legalize birth control throughout 6 courts to the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Also, if women are “taking it from here” why was it when the U.S. Air pilot (a male) safely landed the plan in the Hudson Bay last week, the women and children were saved first? Perhaps one man then one woman would have been fair (after the children first of course).

    Or should the men have merely saved themselves and the children because the women can “take it from here?”

    when I help out a man is that sexist of me or is it just kind? I think it’s ok for men to be kind to women and it’s a gesture of love not an indication he thinks she’s weak or he is patronizing her.

  40. Cara, I believe you’re correct when you say that he concept of women oppressing men is largely nonsensical in our society and that “Patriarchy Hurts Men Too” is a much better explanation of many phenomena rather than “anti-male sexism,” I think you gloss over something important in saying that it’s not possible for women to oppress men as a class, even though that is an accurate statement.

    It’s unquestionable true that, in a patriarchal society such as ours, women as a class do not have the power to oppress men as a class. If you are using the “power + prejudice” definition of “sexism,” then it’s true that there is no sexism against men, because women as a class lack the power to oppress men. However, this means that “there is no sexism against men” isn’t really saying much, because it simply states that men, as a class, have institutional power. In terms of individuals, it’s absolutely meaningless.

    Is it even open for debate that many radical feminists, such as Robin Morgan or others writing in that time frame, were prejudiced towards men, even male allies? I don’t think an honest examination of history can lead to a claim that they were not. Given that, I fail to see how it can be wrong for someone on the receiving end of that prejudice to be upset about it, or even say in public statements, “Hey, this happened to me, and it really sucked. It shouldn’t happen anymore” (which, by your account, is roughly what Baird did). That doesn’t mean prejudice suffered by men is worse than the oppression of women, just that it exists, and shouldn’t.

  41. Yes, but that’s still sexism against femininity. It’s misogyny turned on its head and directed at men.

    It feels that way to me as well. But that’s our perspective and our bias. How do you think it feels to that small child who WANTS to cry and learns to lock in his emotions? Do you think that the insult is really for his sister and so it doesn’t really bother him? And what about 20 years later when this now young man comes back from some stupid war with PTSD that he won’t get treatment for because locking down his emotions is embedded into his psyche?

    Does it help his PTSD that “institutionally” women are worse off? And how is his pain at sublimating part of himself to be “manly” less valid or less deserving of acknowledgment than my pain at sublimating the anger or any aggression that I feel to be more “feminine”? We’re both being people we aren’t to satisfy so arbitrary notion of what we “should” be.

    Re: Patriarchy and kyriarchy

    I’m not saying that’s all that the term means…but it creates an artificial differentiation between “types” of oppression. In all seriousness…what would you call the oppression my client has experienced? Which category does it fit into? Does fitting into a specific category help us resolve the problems she faces?

    No, I wouldn’t abolish the isms entirely. They have their uses, particularly with regard to institutional oppression (DV, rape culture, discriminatory laws) but I think we let them get ahead of us. The core problem with oppression is othering.

    Those people over there are scarey and bad. I think the isms if you “believe” in them rather than use them just create new categories of “others”. These people are feminists so they are good…let’s ignore some of the bad things they do, because they’re feminists…they’re on our side. And its not just feminists…recall the civil rights movement and the attitudes towards women.

    So my question to you is…what work do you think the word “patriarchy” does? What does it create? What does it resolve?

  42. @Joni Baird: “Correct me if I’m wrong…” I’m not trying to correct you, you’re absolutely right that your husband kept at it and didn’t stop fighting for what he believes in — that’s what’s so cool about him. And given what I remember of my teenage years — maybe 1968 to 1974 — whereas early radicals like Firestone were ready to take it from there the rest of the world wasn’t ready to listen to them. (That was one of the points of her essay.) That she *felt* he was one of the ones not listening seems to have been particularly galling. Which I think is one explanation for why he’s not as well accepted. (Another reason would be, obviously, that whether independently or at his instigation activist women like Firestone *did* get angry in a highly personal, political, “thanks but no thanks” way.)

    @Kristen J. and Cara: about that “boys don’t cry” business. Whereas the jury remains hung on whether men can be victims of sexism (it’s not just that opinions vary, *well reasoned* opinions vary) it’s pretty unambiguous that “boys don’t cry” is pure anti-feminism. My take on sexism and “boys don’t cry” is that the huge slices of that-which-can-be-expressed, and that-which-may-be-felt and “that-which-may-not-be-experienced that anti-feminism carves out boys and men — in the interests of making them less like women — is sexist against women but obviously horrendously destructive of men. Therefore whether feminism is an appropriate aspiration for men (again the jury seems hung) opposing anti-feminism is in men’s direct interest. Therefore it would still be appropriate for men to fight it even if no one else did. (Fortunately other people — feminists — have been. Less fortunately as a class men lag the state of the art by about… oh… 41 years.)

    figleaf

  43. Dropping off a note to Kristen J that if she hasn’t read it, she might enjoy very much Felix Gilman’s Thunderer and find it thought-provoking. The other New Wierd novels has aspects dealing with kyriarchy out of a taste for the politically baroque, but Thunderer seems to delve into kyriarchy with a fictional landscape akin to an expanding peony blossom.

  44. Joni:
    As a man who considers himself an ally I’ve had to check myself on a number of occasions. Before I had the (admittedly meager) awareness of my own baggage and privilege that I have today I had to be checked by other people. At first I chaffed and resisted, but eventually I shut up and payed attention. To this day I still miss things and make mistakes and get checked by people who know more than I do. Thats part of learning and I know I’ll never make it to the point where I know everything. Moreover, it isn’t the responsibilty of those around me (who are already busy as hell) to check me, teach me, or wait for me to catch up. If they do I am grateful, but I’m not entitled to their time or effort.

    One of the places that I often find myself getting out of line is when I try to be a crusader, when I try to work. I’m aggressive and confrontational by nature, and sometimes it is neither necessary nor welcome. Sometimes I have to accept that people might not want my help. More importantly, I have to be aware that often my urge to help is tied up with my perception that the people I’m helping are powerless or with my own narcissistic desire to play the hero. Sometimes I get so focused on an immediate goal that I forget the reason for it’s existence. Usually when that happens I catch it myself. Sometimes I don’t, and when I don’t those around me often let it go. But sometimes I catch hell. I don’t like it, I don’t enjoy it, I don’t want it, but refusing to listen to it means that nothing changes. Even if I ultimately disagree, the simple act of accepting and thinking about criticism develops me as a person. Refusing to be wrong means forgoing any opportunity to learn.

  45. William,
    I think I’ve been paying very close attention to what is being said throughout this thread. In fact, the reactions are nothing new to me.

    I think it’s admirable that you are self aware and trying to listen and take responsibility for your perceptions and reactions. I try to do the same and feel I have an open mind. However I don’t know what is being communicated on this board that I’m supposed to catch up with. Could you be more specific?

    In terms of your comments about crusaders, in terms of Bill I don’t think and in fact know that he did not have an egomanical foundation in that regard and did not label himself as such but was labeled by the media as such and others.

    I agree with you wholeheartedly that when you see people as powerless and weak then you degrade them. Bill and I believe that becoming facilitators is more accurate in terms of empowerment.

    As far as your assertion that crusaders are aggressive at times and confrontational that can be true. However when you say people may not want your help again that was not the case in terms of Bill’s efforts. He was petitioned by 800 Boston University students to challenge the anti-birth control statute that legalized birth control in the U.S. He enjoyed and enjoys tremendous support from 90% of women in what he did and does. And his urge to help, as hard as it is to believe, is not ego driven but very much an act of pure love. He has been criticized for being in the media a lot especially decades ago however so was Margaret Sanger – that is how social reforms educate and change social climates to move forward. It can be interpreted a zillion ways including egotism if those who have an agenda for attack choose to use that label.

    Bill used to stay up until 3 in the morning day after day seeing thousands of women every year who came to him for help. I don’t recall Betty Friedan and others doing the same and for no money.

    I am more than willing to listen to the perceptions of others however there is perception and then there is the truth. People project the qualities in themselves they hate onto others in order to not have to take responsibilty for their own powerlessness.

    As far as this thread, I have no problem with being wrong. I’m open to that. However I wonder if the same is true for others.

    I’ve noticed that some feminists have now and in the past taken to turning their backs to the wall against women who dare to suggest they are being sexist. There is usually a Queen Bee who the others follow and this is so subtle that even those who think they are not capable of doing this are doing it. My daughter who has Asperger’s Syndrome was brutalized in school not by the males but by the females because she lacked the capacity to bow down to the Queen Bees. I met a famous feminist author at a fundraiser in the Hamptons one day who wrote a book about female to female aggression and was literally shunned by every feminist there.

    So William I agree with much of your writing and admire your ability to be so self-introspective – it’s downright refreshing! And it’s a great reminder to others.

  46. Joni: It isn’t my place to tell you what to catch up on or what you ought to be thinking about. My comments were mainly an attempt to point out where some of the criticism your husband faces might be coming from. The things that have struck me about your posts is the resentment, the bitterness, the reflexive defensiveness that seems to be aimed at others for having taken a different path or having a different way of engaging with the world around them. There seems to me to be a basic response of anger, a “well Bill did X and I didn’t see you doing that” attitude which looks an awful lot like an attempt to silence dissent.

    As for the digression about queen bees, that seems to be a bit of a strawman. The women who blog at feministe can be caustic and belligerent (and I do mean that as a compliment) but for all the hurt feelings and heated discussions I’ve seen I’ve rarely witnessed any of them coming to the table with closed minds or a dominating attitude. Perhaps you and your husband have encountered that in the past, but it really isn’t the issue here.

    Finally, while I appreciate the compliment, I really wasn’t looking for a cookie with my post. What I have that passes for introspection is part of a process and is still barely larval in it’s development. The only reason I decided to share a bit of my own history was because I hoped it might shed a bit of light on why your husband faced the criticism he has, what unconscious motivations might have played a part in his responses, where listening might be instructive.

  47. There used to be a Bill Baird clinic in Suffolk County on Long Island. Throughout my youth, that was where I got my bith control, and my exams. I am white, and had middle class parents.

    I really don’t care what some second waive feminists think about him. He was there for a lot of women. Planned Parenthood is a ripoff.

  48. Catherine thank you for saying that. Bill started the first birth control/abortion clinic in the country in 1964 on Long Island. Much of the medical care was free or at very reduced rates. The clinic was firebombed in 1979 and burned to the ground however he rebuilt. The clinic was also chemically bombed. Your unsolicited gratitude is appreciated. We continue to counsel pregnant women daily. Bill’s clinic was closed in 1993 and he misses it very much. Bill also pioneered a 25 foot “Plan Van” in 1964 that went to poor areas to educate women about reproductive healthcare so that they would not resort to dangerous methods of abortion.

  49. William,

    I’ll omitt any potential cookies in this post.

    I do take great offense to your saying that I am somehow silencing dissent. The remarks made by people on this board are based on assumptions, projection and gross generalizations not backed up with documentation. By my challenging that I don’t see how you interpret it as silencing dissent but ok.

    No one seemed to question Cara to any great extent which led to my feeling I needed to say my piece as you have pointed out does no harm on this board.

    The very fact that Cara said she had not heard of Bill says a lot. I have no doubt in my mind after 11 years of perusing our extensive archives, that he was deliberately and intentionally written out of history by feminists (the first wave moreso). Had he been a woman, he would have been hailed as a great heroin (I can hear the brains ticking – “see see he wants to be idolized!”)

    First Cara said: “Throughout all of it he was refused the help of reproductive rights organizations, and publicly mocked and condemned not only by them but by prominent feminists such as Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem.” Yet these are the same groups and people she later admonishes Bill for not asking “WW GD – What would Gloria Do?”

    She also says that Bill is “in a word, eccentric” and calls him “outlandish” but doesn’t say why she thinks that as though just her assertion should be enough to make this character assassination.

    Cara also seemed annoyed about the “34-page packets of news clippings” These became necessary because at past speeches he was challenged on his statements and now he documents what he says – (in fact Cara referred to those documents in her post to document what she wrote. It seems she feels its ok for her to utilize them in such a way but not Bill.)

    She stated that the opposition Bill faced from his allies was wrong and understood why he is angry but then seemed to go in reverse.

    Cara expressed distress that Bill asked the audience how they would feel having the threat of rape nightly but has no sensitivity about stating, “Baird thinks that his penis is the reason that he was kept out of the movement…”

    And William you seemed to have been speaking expressly to me to keep an open mind however Cara wrote, “Of course, anyone who starts railing about sexism against men and “equalism” instantly gets on my bad side. As I said, the more he went on, the less there was to like.” Sounds like a wall that flew up instantly to me.

    What confused me is that she then wrote, “This is the case even though I don’t doubt that it’s at least partially true that his maleness kept him out of the movement’s good graces.” Maybe I’m taking crazy pills but that sounds like bigotry to me.

    What are the other (majority) parts? Well, that’s where it starts to get interesting.

    Cara wrote, “According to the articles provided, many think that Baird’s seeming extremism made feminists wary that he was an interloper attempting to make their cause look ridiculous (Betty Friedan insinuated that he was a C.I.A. agent). ”

    Betty Friedan founded NARAL with Bill, Lonny Myers and others. She knew Bill very well and knew that he began the pro choice movement in 1963. She called him a CIA agent in order to invalidate him and she continued to do so up until her death and in her book Life So Far. Feminist back during the formation of NOW were pretty extreme themselves so I don’t think anything Bill did even compared. Flo Kennedy picketed once with a large picket sign that looked like a telephone dial that said “Dail a F***” Perhaps to Planned Parenthood he was not board room straight enough but Bill did nothing outlandish at all. His “tactics” were picketing, media and lecturing to challenge laws. He was however very much against reform of abortion laws and for total repeal.

    Cara also erroneously states that Bill saw himself as a “one man show” not consulting with women doing the same thing he was. The entire reason why Bill gave up his extremely lucrative career in the pharmaceutical field was because there was no one doing anything at that time. No women were challenging anti-birth control and abortion laws at all in 1963. Who should he have consulted? That’s why they call people like that pioneers. There was no NOW or NARAL. Once there was he had many allies in those organizations who were women. And when Cara said he didn’t work with women of color – that is not true either. It’s important to document what you say. That is why I’m responding to this board. Flo Kennedy, attorney for the Black Panthers, was a very close friend of Bills up until her death.

    And the truth – I know it’s not popular here with regards to this issue – is that Bill DID want to sit at the table with feminist – they rejected HIM – not the other way around.

    The women who worked with Bill at his clinic and those in the movement who had clinics and worked with Bill all respected him very much. I’ve never met anyone so open to suggestions and who doesn’t come off as a boss but a co-worker. For years he would say to people at speeches – Don’t stand behind me stand beside me – in his way encouraging that all of us need to lead.

    Cara wrote, “In short, his tone when discussing these issues struck me as arrogant.”
    Lest I silence dissent, I feel this is a projection.

    Cara also wrote, “And he struck me as clueless about how feminism should be a women’s movement. ”

    I am very surprised that William and no one else on this board reacted to this as blatant, raw sexism. But it seems Cara is “clueless” and so is everyone else. And please all you men out there – please don’t think this is representative of how all women feel because it isn’t. Just like I don’t feel that women should not become physicians and perform vasectomies.

    Based on the standing ovation Bill received at the Rochester speech and the thousands he has gotten for four decades, I think most women would agree with me.

    She took yet another smack at Bill stating “there is a problem” when “men start wanting the spotlight and all the credit.” Sounds like that bible quote, “Women be silent obey thy man” in reverse. Can’t we all share credit? Isn’t there room at the table for all of us to have validation or is that something only women need?

    She wrote, “Baird expressed absolutely no appreciation for the work of women before him or after him.” Bill had 45 minutes to speak and based on that Cara made a blanket statement about whether or not he appreciates other feminists. That is her perception based on one speech. As I said before perception is not the truth.

    Bill is not looking for credit for the entire reproductive rights movement. But because he is a stickler for documenting the truth, he resents the revisionism of his work. A feminist author, Prof. Sylvia Bashevkin, wrote in her book Women On The Defensive that it wasn’t Bill who challenged the law in Baird v. Eisenstadt it was Planned Parenthood. Feminist have omitted him from history books as if he never existed. There is a lot of skullduggery that many honest feminists are now trying to correct. These examples are too numerous to list.

    Cara wrote, “Baird said at one point during the evening that “you may not like how I did it but I did it the only way I knew how and as effectively as I could.” And I thought: “did you ever once think to ask those already doing this work how you could have been most effective?”

    I think three U.S. Supreme Court victories is pretty effective. I think risking life and limb for over 40 years and providing free medical care to the poor etc. etc. etc. is pretty effective. And I refuse to think that these feminists that Cara feels were ignored by Bill are victims.

    In fact, Marcia Pappas the New York State President of NOW and others have compared Bill to Margaret Sanger, Susan B. Anthony and Dr. Martin Luther King. Newsday listed him as one of the 100 most influential people in the past 100 years. So his legacy is beyond reproach. This is will soon aired on the History Channel as was done on VH1 and Sundance Channel last year.

    I am responding to this thread of posts because I have no doubt that if Cara and others were accused of something that wasn’t true they would do the same. It is their right to do so and my right to counter what I deem as sexism as I continue to do if women are discriminated against too.

  50. I am very surprised that William and no one else on this board reacted to this as blatant, raw sexism.

    Ok, I’ll just make this one last comment and excuse myself because the atmosphere is getting rather toxic and Cara doesn’t need me to defend her.

    Joni, allow me to be perfectly clear. I wasn’t accusing Cara of sexism or reacting to what I perceived as sexism. I attempted to use my own experience to highlight why your husband might be facing criticism. The idea was that perhaps he ought to think about what he was doing, as a privileged member of the dominant group, to garner the criticism coming his way. The comments he has made, as well as a great many comments in your posts, sound to me a lot like the kinds of things I said early in my development when I was trying to excuse my own fuck ups. I thought that was pretty clear, apparently it wasn’t. I thank your husband for his contributions, he seems to have good manifest intentions (although I still questions some of his assumptions and unconscious motives), and perhaps he is even a very good man (I don’t know him so I can’t make that call). At the same time -now please try to manage the ambiguity with me for a second- at the same time both he and you seem to say and do things which strike others as obnoxious. That doesn’t negate what you’ve done, but it isn’t kicking you out of the club (as if there was a monolithic feminism) for someone to reflect their emotional reaction.

  51. It’s interesting – I wonder if Bill were a woman defending herself if you or the members here would think him obnoxious. I think it is obnoxious to make assumptions, projections and rude comments about people who walked through hell and back for your rights. But I can see the tightrope walk you are doing for whatever reason you feel the need to do that – acceptance etc. And I’m very clear on where the toxicity came from – I did not begin this thread if you may recall. I will debate with respect when people show respect – that was not the case here. I’ve given enough information for digestion but I doubt it will be eaten. If some want to be eunichs so be it.

  52. One last observation – Whenever we confront Catholic officials for exhibiting dehumanizing hate rhetoric against those who have a different moralitiy than they do, the inevitable response is to declare us “Catholic bashers.” Same content as what appeared here but a different form.

  53. “He was, in fact, rejected by the feminist and reproductive health movements and left on his own for all intensive purposes.”

    Intents AND purposes? Purposes are not intensive.

  54. I have some serious problems with those who in any way criticize Bill Baird. Here is a guy who is mentioned numerous times in United States Supreme Court Decisions and is one of those responsible for Roe. So to all of you who don’t know your history and who criticize Bill I say you should treasure the ground he walks on for without him we probably would still not be able to get birth control. Please don’t throw dirt on the shoulders of those on whom we stand. I know and have worked with Bill since 1967 and can affirm that human rights is his calling. He is 75 years old now and we should be honoring all that he has done for us. Marilyn Fitterman, Former President of the National Organization for Women of New York State and I stand with Bill.

  55. Don’t understand why my post was not put on the site. So I’ll repeat some of what I said earlier. Bill Baird is responsible for numerous Supreme Court Decisions. I’ve known Bill since 1967 and he has devoted his life to human rights. If not for Bill we may not even be getting birth control today. so much of what he did is responsible for Roe v. Wade. What’s wrong with all you “feminists” who just don’t get it. Have you any idea how many poor women got safe illegal abortions because of Bill. Don’t dig your heels into those on whose shoulders you stand. Marilyn Fitterman, Former Pres. NOW-NYS

  56. I just found this site because I wanted to mention Bill Baird in an essay I am writing for a Reproductive Health Choices class, a class I may not have been able to take if not for Mr. Baird.
    I grew up in Boston MA and I remember the uproar created by Mr. Baird – I remember how it was illegal to give contraceptive foam to an unwed 19-year-old woman, especially with a baby in the audience! God help us all!
    Cara, what an insightful post. When I googled and found this, I was afraid of a real tearing-down of Bill Baird but am glad that you are recognizing his contributions to feminism and to safe health care for women. He may have had or continue to have his faults, but the courage that man showed. Young women today have no idea what it was like not to have access to birth control, to not have any control over your own body!
    Joni Baird, thank you for your explanations and details of your husband’s accomplishments.
    Kristin J, I enjoyed reading your posts also. I had to stop reading because this essay is due NOW but I had to make a comment after reading all of this.
    I have to say how shocked I am to learn that PP used to oppose abortion rights! As someone noted, we do evolve. How true! Too bad those so opposed to abortion, who look upon it as murder, can’t seem to evolve.

  57. I grew up in a Boston suburb, moved to Cambridge for college in 1959 and remember Baird well. He was considered an outrageous curiosity and a troublemaker. He was trashed by the press which was controlled by Catholics and Boston Brahmins. They were the power structure back then and Baird’s radical message, his championing of rights many women did not even dream of wanting, never mind achieving — and his style, brash, radical and not very classy, irked them. He was too much of a loner, lacked charm or social graces. Many people were suspicious of him and reacted to him as though he were a sleazy entrepreneur who somehow was in this for some kind of personal gain. His style was neither persuasive or winning. I don’t remember a single woman in Cambridge in 1959 who would have been public about wanting an abortion, never mind birth control. We were trapped but Baird was somehow dirty. I had seven friends or roommates in a five year period become pregnant due to lack of birth control and information about birth control. These women all ended up at the Catholic pregnant farm on Huntington Avenue. Illegal abortions were rare for Bostonians, because no one knew anyone who had had one or where to go to get one. Later when feminists began to organize around the abortion issue, Baird was marginalized by them, possibly because he was a threat and probably because he was the antithesis of an intellectual. It’s a little strange none of the early feminists have written in to this blog. Baird was a leader, a foot soldier and a dedicated feminist in spite of his personal baggage. I think we feminists should remember that change does not always come in the ways that we have planned, organized for or predicted. That style does not always equate with substance. Let’s all please start giving Baird his due.

  58. If you don’t like what Bill Baird did, then don’t use birth control. Frankly, I’m thankful for the existence of birth control and Bill Baird’s efforts each day of my life.

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