Father’s Rights: The Movie July 28, 2008 Jill OMG: Amazing. I’m not even sure what to say. Thanks to Jessica for the link.
I like how the girlfriend/ex is always yelling at him, and they made a point of her shoving him, but his manly violence is channeled at the hoods of cars and anonymous and unexplained barflies.
Half of that trailer just looked like a prelude to softcore porn, as well. ZOMG maybe seeing women as non-persons underlies both sexual objectification of them AND bullshit myths about their predatory, money-grubbing, two-timing nature!! *smacks palm to forehead*
Is that how men’s rights advocates picture the hypothetical girlfriend? Her evilness seems ridiculously exaggerated. Also: if she doesn’t want “anything” from him, doesn’t that make her an ideal mother in the eyes of the why-should-I-pay-child-support crowd?
Medea has a good point. Are these two sorts of MRAs going to splinter and fight? In the future, when we label a troll as an MRA, will he say ‘I am NOT an MRA! I’m an MRAR, the Reformed branch!”
The William Fain Productions website has more on the motivations behind this, um, dubious project (straight outta Dickson, TN, homie!): “A Fatherâs Rights” is based upon a real life story. It depicts the situation of an unwed father and his childâs struggle with the legal system predominant in American society today. “A Fatherâs Rights” is hard hitting, factual, and potentially embarrassing to some in high places. It is meant to expose the system that treats children differently across this country and the world: a system that needs to change. We should all be looking at and working for one thing, getting equal rights for our children. It should not matter if a child is born out of wedlock. It’s not the childâs fault, and that child should have the same rights as a child from a happily married couple. Stop the fighting over who gets custody and what he/she receives for the privilege of raising that child. The system that all of us face as parents, and/or grandparents is broken. No matter if you are mother, father, or grandparent, we all must acknowledge this basic fact. Thousands of emails have been received over the past year about this project asking for help, or parents telling their own horror stories with the system. One major problem is that fathers, mothers, and grandparents all seem to be fighting for their own rights. We should all be able to come together and fight for our children’s rights. The right to be treated equally, no matter if their parents are married, were married, or never married. If that goal is obtained, then a lot of the problems in the system will go away. This movie was made to bring attention to and educate the public about a corrupt system that is not taking care of the future: making sure children are well taken care of. Lawd, yes! Won’t somebody puh-leeze think about the children? (As opposed to the horrible writing/acting/direction, dubious rationale and sub-par production values. Cough.)
The best part is the woman’s smug fuck-you face when she’s sitting in the courtroom. It’s the MRA perception of women all distilled in 30fps.
Medea has a good point. Are these two sorts of MRAs going to splinter and fight? In the future, when we label a troll as an MRA, will he say âI am NOT an MRA! Iâm an MRAR, the Reformed branch!â No no darlings, you’re clearly not understanding the MRA point of view. It goes like this: Bitches (especially super whore-y bitches who seem so cute at first but then arch their drawn-on eyebrows and wear belly-shirts like BIG WHORES) will probably trick you by telling you that they’re on birth control and then getting themselves pregnant. When they do that, you should have the right to demand that they either have an abortion or that they give birth (because you’ll take care of it!), or that they give birth and “take responsibility” for their actions, whereupon you will argue that you have no obligation to pay child support. You, however, have a right to have a picture of your kid on the dashboard of your car and talk proudly about your son/daughter, and if you see them at your convenience you are being an awesome parent and shouldn’t have to pay a dime. If your ex tells you that they don’t want anything from you, they are trying to take away your child. If they tell you that they want financial support, they are gold-digging whores. Get it? Basically, the rule is Bitches Be Stealin’ My Shit.
Ugh. “Based on a true story,” meaning, “I’m pissed off at my ex so I’m going to make a smear movie about her.”
I don’t see anything about “children’s rights” in this trailer? Zuh-wha? Looks more to me about a dad wanting access to his kid and dealing with a stereotypically crazy girlfriend than about the rights of children born out of wedlock.
It’s the right of the child to be her father’s exclusive property and free of influence from her Crazy Insane Psycopath mommy.
and that child should have the same rights as a child from a happily married couple Oh. So they want there to be a presumption of paternity between unmarried couples, just like there is for married couples? Careful what you ask for, gentlemen.
Uhm, is anyone still a little unclear as to what the hell is happening in this movie? I’m confused by the yelling then the love making, then court room scene, then the guy punching another guy out for whatever reason…Just glad I won’t be seeing it.
After seeing this, I wish to apologize to Lifetime, and especially to Tori Spelling, for ever mocking their marvelous movies. And “Mother, May I Sleep With Danger?” you were robbed of the Oscar you so richly deserve.
“Wonât somebody puh-leeze think about the children?” As a matter of fact, someone should think about the children and the possible future impact of being alienated from one parent by zero custody and visitation, or two weekends a month of contact. And if a man is not an abuser, neglectful, or otherwise unfit, I don’t see why he shouldn’t be able to have partial custody of his biological child.
A summary for those who don’t understand the trailer: Bitchez is whores. Bitchez be stealin your money. Bitchez be fun to fuck, sometimes. Bitchez get pregnant on purpose Don’t trust dem bitchez.
As a matter of fact, someone should think about the children and the possible future impact of being alienated from one parent by zero custody and visitation, or two weekends a month of contact. And if a man is not an abuser, neglectful, or otherwise unfit, I donât see why he shouldnât be able to have partial custody of his biological child. Do you have any idea how family law actually works? You seem to be under the impression that fathers can be wholly stripped of their paternity rights for absolutely no cause. That isn’t the case. The reality is that it’s relatively uncommon for fathers to petition for rights to their children born out of marriage, and most of those fathers have to be dragged kicking and screaming just to pay child support. Those who do request visitation and joint custody get it, barring some circumstance like abuse or neglect, or the father who lives 100 miles away and wants to demand that the mother bring the child to see him whenever he feels like it, or the father who shows up after years of abandonment and is suddenly interested in being a dad. I don’t deny that he family law system can really screw over well-meaning and good people of both genders. No legal system is perfect, and there are plenty of bad people out there — men and women — who will try to screw each other other, too. But this narrative of poor aggrieved fathers being routinely kicked around by the family law courts just doesn’t have any basis in reality.
Oh, and A Male, who thinks of the children? The courts do. That’s the standard they use to evaluate custody decisions — the best interest of the child.. Sometimes that interest does collide with the desires of one parent or another, but the court is supposed to go with what is best for the kid. That doesn’t always work out so well for MRA-types.
Nice trailer. Nice fella too – who wants to bet the ending they’d have preferred involved him punching out the judge/shooting up the chambers while dozens of right thinking bystanders cheer? Followed by him carrying his little girl out the courtroom on his shoulder of course. Also like the juxtaposition of ‘We’re here to listen’, and ‘That line works every time’, subtly (or not so) implying that really, women are all working together to screw you and deny you your rights. Is this what feminism has led to, etc., etc.?
Y’know, most of the problems that this guy and his ilk have with the whole custody thing has been solved. They do have a legal avenue, it’s called an Affidavit of Paternity. One generally has a month post birth to file. If he had got his paperwork in on time, he wouldn’t be having these issues. I really like how he terms child raising as a privilege, and co-opting the language of rights movements to essentially boost his MRA propaganda.
What the courts determine to be “the best interest of the child” isn’t always really in the child’s best interest. Just sayin’…
But this narrative of poor aggrieved fathers being routinely kicked around by the family law courts just doesnât have any basis in reality. I agree that it doesn’t happen routinely. Does the fact that it only happens occasionally render it unworthy of being mentioned or exposed?
Oh wow, that is some horrible acting. Also, love how it’s always from the dude’s point of view, and how the woman is some uber-bitch who’s smiling at all the misery she’s putting the man through.
“and what they get for the privilege of raising that child”? Really? Jesus H. Tap Dancing Christ. Yeah, b/c it is so easy to strip a parent of their rights, even in cases of abuse. Them damn bitchez bein’ crazy and always gettin’ their way. They are just manipulating the system and making victims out of these poor mistreated men. I would say more, but I know who follows me around the net and reads my stuff. This shit doesn’t even come close to the ball park of how shit goes down in cases of children born out of wed lock. Not. Even. Close.
My dad was basically stripped of all his paternal rights, except of course for the right to pay child support with my half-sisters and brother. But that was some time around 1967. Not only are they drinking the Kool-Aid, but it’s three decades old Kool-Aid.
re: ‘based on a real life story’: William R. Fain / Executive Producer Better known as Wilky, William Fain is more than a throw back to the days when a manâs word was in his handshake. Wilky is fast talking and fast thinking; yet, unlike what that conjures up mentally, he actually honors what he says. He is a âhereâs the problemâŠand hereâs the solutionâ kind of man. Born in the month of October and raised in Jackson, Tennessee, Wilky married his high school sweetheart, and fathered his handsome son, Jake, by his mid-20s. By 1995, divorced, Wilky was in Lexington, Tennessee, where he owned and ran a grocery store, tobacco shop, and custom sound shop. Needing a 4âx8â sign for the latter, Wilky met Ed Harris who owned a sign shop, and a remarkable brother-like friendship began. Where many men think a thought â âMan, wouldnât it be great to be in Nascar?â, Wilky thinks, âMan, letâs be in Nascar!â â and then proceeds to do it. So thatâs what Wilky did. He owned three race teams and then started a sports magazine. He also had a radio talk show about Nascar and related sports issues called Pit Stop. In 2002, in the month of October, Wilkyâs life changed forever by the birth of his daughter, Addison Blair Fain. Being an unmarried father, Wilky has had to fight for the right to be a father. The fight has been so intense, that he began to write the experience. Then came the idea, âthis should be a movie. Ed, letâs make a movie.â Wilkyâs first film, A Fatherâs Rights, was finished with principal photography in May 2007, and is in the final stages of post production. I suppose one shouldn’t be surprised that for a âhereâs the problemâŠand hereâs the solutionâ kind of man like Wilky Fain the logical next step after “Man, let’s be in NASCAR” would be “Ed, letâs make a [church basement] movie” (under the working title ‘Bitches Be Stealinâ My Shit’). Jeebus weepin’ in his non-alcoholic beer.
“Mr. Rider, this is my courtroom, and I will decide who speaks first.” “I’m out of order? THIS WHOLE COURT’S OUT OF ORDER!”
i will give that as the woman is being portrayed, she is emotionally abusive. maybe i’m just sensitive to it because my boyfriend was verbally/emotionally and physically abused by his exwife. but i think the things the woman in the video said were emotionally abusive at least even though it looked totally ridiculous because of the bad acting. but knowing only a bit about family court, i would say that what happened to the dude in the trailer seems to happen a lot to women, too, at least in other sectors of the court (rape cases, abuse cases, assault, etc)… it’s like men get a tiny taste of what women go through and we’re supposed to piss our pants because IT IS HAPPENING TO MEN NOW, FOLKS. WE *HAVE* TO CARE NOW!
“This is my courtroom, and I will decide who speaks first.” Isn’t that said to, like, everyone, though? i was even told this at my PINS petition, and i was pretty much the only person who had to talk. :O
Erm. What I didn’t get was when the stuff in that movie is supposed to take place. I have no idea about US laws, but “children born out of wedlock”? Wasn#t that a big social problem in the 50?
Hey, theres at least one little ray of hope here: it appears William Fain Productions can’t even get a straight-to-video release on this steaming pile. A little bit of research and the only places I could find the movie were on Fain’s website where you can rent it for $7.50 (!) or buy it for $15.00. Its not even listed on IMDB and the last piece of “latest news” on their site is from February and essentially says they were turned down when they went to LA. The cast biographies are great two. The leading man is apparently an aspiring country singer, the woman playing the Evil Bitch grew up with 60 foster siblings, and neither had much in the way of acting experience. The role of the Sheriff is played by a country music writer who has penned such immortal hits as “Mamma Don’t Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Cowboys,” “Girls, Women, and Ladies,” and “The Man That Turned My Mama On.” It just gets better/worse/funnier from there. Just wow.
Hey, I think this post is awesome and I agree. But I’m getting a bit uncomfortable with the misogynist accent effect. It sometimes comes across as one of those tired parodies of Black speech, esp. with phrases like “Donât trust dem bitchez,” which I’m sure nobody wants.
Why is the mother always wet and/or screaming? Is that how dude nation sees women? Or flaunting her booty. Don’t forget her booty. You think the folks who made this movie might have a few, umm, resentments?
I want to echo what kakodaimon wrote. I know Jill’s taking the bar so is not around to read these comments or respond right away. But yeah, those “bitchez be” comments really came off badly to me because of their racial connotations.
While this is likely not making it through the moderation queue, Jill has a long history of making bigoted statements against black males. We don’t need the ‘dem bitchez stealing my shit’ from condescending white women with pretences to being tolerant and all that.
On the “screaming woman” bit: The impression I got from those scenes was that the “father” was in fact stalking her (after they split up) and emotionally abusing her (there seemed to be hints of physically threatening behaviour involved). With his courtroom outbursts, it seemed to me to be quite clear that he was someone not in control of his emotions (and therefore, pretty certainly not a suitable carer for a child!) The bar room fight, I assumed to be because the random bloke he beat up had passed some comment on his (ex?) partner. Her yelling and screaming seemed to me to come from fear of him. In other words, on the basis of that trailer, I don’t see her as being emotionally abusive, but rather I see her reacting to abuse coming initially from her supposed lover. On the “parody of black language” thing – I actually read the “bitchez be stealin’ my shit” as being a parody of stereotypical USAian white-trash (trailer-park?) language and attitudes. In the context of the trailer (in which the man appears to be either white or latino origin) I think this is a reasonable way to read it. On the other hand, I do see how it could be taken the other way.
On the âparody of black languageâ thing – I actually read the âbitchez be stealinâ my shitâ as being a parody of stereotypical USAian white-trash (trailer-park?) language and attitudes. In the context of the trailer (in which the man appears to be either white or latino origin) I think this is a reasonable way to read it. On the other hand, I do see how it could be taken the other way. Is that really any better? I think the reason Jill’s comments could be read in either direction is because, regardless of intent, they’re pulling from very similar biases. “Oh man, look at these stupid, ignorant, simple folk! Isn’t it just so funny that they’re different from us? Oh, and that difference is why they’re bad!” The fact is that she intended her comments to be making fun of (and associating bad behavior and attitudes with) poor whites, just as the same kind of exaggerated language has been used to make fun of (and associate bad behavior and attitudes with) poor blacks. The end effect is that you’re associating MRAs with poor, ignorant, low class men (and assuming that poor = ignorant/evil) rather than men who are assholes. That kind of lazy rhetoric perpetuates not only negative stereotypes but also the “only a certain class of man is capable of X” mentality.
Just to chime in, especially since Jill isn’t here to respond: I tend to agree with Jack and kakodaimon, although I can see where the problematic language might have stemmed from. Jill can speak for herself when she is back from exams, but here’s my take: a tired old stereotype of “black street language” has become pretty widespread in this country, especially among clueless straight white guys trying to act tough — regardless of their class. I’m assuming (and I’ll confess that I’m inclined to give her some benefit of the doubt) that’s what Jill was satirizing, especially since the guy in the movie doesn’t look black at all to me, and my impression of the usual MRA trolls we get around here is not particularly race-inflected either. However, I think there’s a line that shouldn’t be crossed with mocking tough-acting white boys this way. Because when you get down to it, this act is an appropriation AND a parody of what America thinks of as “black, urban gangsta-rap slang” — with all the racism that’s mixed up in that. We should all know by this point that there are racial stereotypes that get applied to black relationships, black men in particular, about violence and misogyny and so forth. I shouldn’t have to say this, but considering some of the more ridiculous accusations that have been thrown around recently, I will: obviously there are black guys who are misogynists out there. But perpetuating racial stereotypes has the effect of letting white misogyny off the hook, or making it more invisible because we stereotype it as happening in ways that are more palatable, acceptable, “normal,” easily hushed up. Misogyny, stalking, domestic abuse — it’s wrong. No need to bring race into it unless you’re really aiming to talk about the intersection of race & gendered violence.
Oh, Lord–Dickson, TN? That’s a stone’s throw from where I grew up… My question is–would John McCain rather this child be with the mom, the dad, or teh gays?
“While this is likely not making it through the moderation queue, Jill has a long history of making bigoted statements against black males. We donât need the âdem bitchez stealing my shitâ from condescending white women with pretences to being tolerant and all that.” I take it that you make this statement with no sense of irony, right? *snort*
My head is in the clouds, and for the life of me I can’t remember what that cat-picture language is called. You know all the pictures of cats with quotes on them? The last one Jill used was “Moderator Kitteh don’t like ur submishunz”. There is a word for that particular language, and it gets used on here all the time, for example “teh gayz”. Somebody here help me out with the name of that internet language. Anyway, I wonder if Jill was meaning to talk like that when she said “bitches be stealin’ my shit”. I’m not sure, and it did sound to me like a parody of a black male, actually, but I don’t think Jill would do that on purpose and the cat-picture language whose name I forget is sorta kinda like it. As for the movie, my thought was “The MRAs have made a Youtube video of their fantasies!”
For Bushfire: You’re thinking of “lolspeak”, which is sort of how I’ve been reading these comments too. Kind of a parody of the moral oversimplification the film (and dudes who think like: single fathers = trod upon and women who battle for custody = oppressors). But then, I’m a white female who spends too much time on the internet. My basis for comparison might be skewed by my secret love of lolcats.
I meant it as lolspeak (see). I’m sorry it came across as parodying or even referencing “street talk” — that was not my intention, and it’s not how I hear it in my head. It also wasn’t parodying “white trash” speech. “Bitchez be stealin’ my shit” was my internet-vernacular mockery of MRAs; it had nothing to do with race or class. The whole “bitchez are always wrong” theme is a pretty common running joke among a lot of the feminist blogs. That said, I understand where the concerns come from, and I’m not saying that you’re off-base for making them. And with that, I am bowing out of this thread, because I have a very important test to finish taking tomorrow and I simply don’t have the time or energy for this. I don’t mind good-faith discussions about how certain statements are problematic; I’m definitely not angry or irritated at people for bringing this up. It’s a totally valid point. But comments like Jason’s are putting me over the edge, and it’s just not something I can be fair or reasonable about right now when I’m under a tremendous amount of stress and don’t have the energy to defend myself against claims that I have a long history of making bigoted statements against black men. Give me a fucking break.
I saw Jill’s comments a mix of lolspeak and the language used by quite a few gamers I used to know. Them being a parody of “black street speech” didn’t even enter my mind! I am black and have been witness to that of type condescension of but I guess that went over my head..
I totally get the stress of taking the bar and removing yourself from the discussion, Jill. No offense taken, this is the internet and that is your real life. We all need a mental health break now and again and I commend you for even bothering to respond, given the circumstances. That said, lolspeak is not neutral. Its cute, and funny, and its highly effective when used to caption cute animals in adorable poses. Still, I suppose its worth noting where it came from. lolspeak didn’t just sprout up from nothing, it wasn’t invented on Livejournal, it isn’t something whose origins cannot be traced. lolspeak spread mainly from those cute little cat macros that are all over the internet. Where did they come from? Well, they came from the same place that a lot of common memes came from: 4chan and it’s /b/tards, the folks over at YTMND, and Something Awful’s goons. lolspeak as it pertains to cat macros is largely a product of the chans. Yeah, it’s been filtered through enough layers of the internet that just about everyone just thinks “oooh, cute cats,” but it has it’s roots in some pretty problematic soil. Using lolspeak reminded a lot of people of the stereotypes about African American language because lolspeak kind of grew from those stereotypes. The same people who were churning out macros with walruses and buckets were churning out macros with black men and buckets of fried chicken, generally with the same language conventions. I’m not saying its wrong to use lolspeak (it is pretty distant from the source), I’m just saying the history and meanings are worth noting.
i totally thought lolspeak was making fun of teenagers and the way they type in like aim and text messages and myspace comments, hence the LOL part. you learn something new every day.
I agree that you have to be careful with lolspeak. Lolspeak has evolved organically on the internet, its only guiding principle having to do with deliberately incorrect grammar, misspellings, and so forth. Now, before lolspeak or text-message-abbreviations came along during the last decade or two, what was the most commonly referenced form of “not talking right” in pop culture? That’s right — African American Vernacular English, also known as ebonics, which has a long history of being denigrated or humorously referenced as talking wrong, even though it does have its own linguistic and grammatical logic. It’s inevitable that people started migrating language patterns from one — or their stereotype of one — to the other. And that can start to become a problem. Take Jill’s example. Now, I am not nitpicking her or her intentions, since she’s not around to discuss, I believe her intentions, and I’ve never read her making racist comments about black guys. But just as an example of how it’s easily read as something different than she intended: the substitution of the singular form of the verb “to be” for the plural form is a lot older than lolspeak; it’s a well-known feature of AAVE, cited by most linguists who study it. Turning a “th” into a “d” and dropping the final “g” are also pretty common features of southern rural / black dialects; you can go back and look at how written depictions of AAVE or that form of slang have been translated into the written word for the last century for examples. Names of blues songs are often good examples. The absence of a final “g” has become ubiquitous in a lot of American easy vernacular, but the “th->d” transmutation is famous from songs like “Dem Bones” or sayings like “here come de judge!” Combine that with the word bitches, which has gotten plenty of media hype in the last quarter-century as a controversial staple of hip-hop lyics, and I don’t think it’s any wonder if other people read it the way I and Jack did. Moral of the story: you have to watch your step with lolspeak or any form of language predicated on “saying it wrong.” Not to be a massive downer, but our culture has a long bad history of associating that with racism and xenophobia, etc.
The boys are feeling the burn from Patriarchy, are they? Gee, why could it be that men might have a tougher time getting rights to “out of wedlock” kids… could it be the patriarchy’s stupid insistance that women are walking “wombs” (I just hate that word! Does anyone else find it really grating?) with all sorts of motherlove for their precious baybees and the responsibility to take care of them NO MATTER WHAT!!! Could it be the patriarchal browbeating about marriage- make it so hard to have kids outside the system, no one will dare to try? Hmmm… I find it hard to believe that “Wilky” had such a hard time getting rights to his kid, circa 2002. Sure, for most of the early and mid-twentieth century, that would have been an issue. I’d say by the 90’s, not so much. From his bio, it looks like ol’ Wilky might have had a few other things working against him. Like, for example, I take the “can-do” attitude stuff to mean Wilky probably didn’t hold down a lot of “regular” jobs or profitable enterprises, and flitted from one pie-in-the-sky project to the next. His earlier failed marriage gets passed by pretty quickly- I wonder why exactly it failed? And his bio doesn’t say much about how great a custodial dad he is to handsome Jake. I wonder if that’s just an omission… And if he was in his mid twenties when Jake was born, and divorced by ’95, I’d say this guy is probably at least in his early 40’s. I know how Hollywood (or Dicksonwood in this case) always skews towards young female leads, but if the “eevul grrlfriend” in the pic is supposed to be representitive of the true age of the woman, there may have been a teensy problem with age disparity, or even a question of whether the girl was of age when she conceived. If Wilky is the local n’er do well I take him to be, the girls’ folks may very well have been the ones behind the custody battle. This is all pure conjecture, of course, but I’ve seen this story played out in real life before…
“i totally thought lolspeak was making fun of teenagers and the way they type in like aim and text messages and myspace comments, hence the LOL part” It’s interesting that this discussion has gone from a funny movie to the origin of Lolspeak! I think that the language is partly based on internet misspellings and text messaging. It could be partly based on slang from black dialects or from other dialects as well, some of the words really resemble them. However, not everything in Lolspeak can even be said out loud. For example, the spelling “teh” is a common typo for “the” and if you said it out loud, it wouldn’t even be the same word, so obviously it was invented on the internet. I won’t do a complete analysis of ever Lolspeak word, but clearly it has evolved partly in cyber texts. The first few times I saw “teh” written, I thought it was a deliberate attempt to make fun of trolls who type a hateful message really quickly and then hit send without proofreading. There’s also a wikipedia entry on Lolspeak, which claims that the language comes partly from the baby talk people use with their cats, partly languages from computer games, and partly from internet slang. Of course, the languages that exist in computer and internet games could have come partly from non-virtual sources (aka real life).
Maybe the racists here are the people who think that only black people speak in slang and call women bitches? Ha sorry, I just had to throw that out – it always comes up in these conversations. Though I do have to wonder a bit how someone can read “Bitchez is whores” and see that as an attempt at black or urban slang. Shouldn’t that be “hoes”? (or hos??) The whole âbitchez are always wrongâ theme is a pretty common running joke among a lot of the feminist blogs. Does that make it better or worse?
Isn’t it funny how the MRAs looooove to focus on the tiny minority of men who suffer because of gendered violence or legal disputes? Has it never occured to them that they might get more done if the acknowledge and work to change the experience of the majority? I’m thinking primarily of false rape accusations, (because I spend more time thinking about gendered sexual violence than legal fights over children) but it’s the same pattern for just about anything you care to think of. And more than that, it’s always, always, always “Let’s focus on the minority and on teh poor, poor menz that are affected” Cuz women neither suffer, not really figure in their word beyond bit-parts. The film looks like a weird mix of soft porn and badly acted drivel. Oh, to be an MRA…
Holy shit that’s some bad acting. And the girl is very annoying. “I HATE YOOOOU!” Scene of him and her making out in a hot tub. “WHY CAN’T YOU LOVE MEEEEE!” Scene of him kissing her bellybutton. Fail. Still, I’m glad there’s a movie addressing the lack of equality when it comes to parenting rights for the men. Women aren’t the only ones capable of raising kids!
That… looks like one VERY bad movie. (It may be obvious, but sometimes the obvious has to be said.) Plus side- it seems awful enough that it won’t enter what passes for the ‘national dialogue’ these days- the only people likely to see it are people who would already agree with it.
Yes the courts screw over both genders, I’ve seen petitions from both genders regarding it but the fact is men get screwed over FAR more often than women. That’s the point of this. Funnily enough, no one here is addressing the issues here not even the authour of this post, clearly it’s because you have no rebuttal to this.
Rockit: “Nice trailer. Nice fella too – who wants to bet the ending theyâd have preferred involved him punching out the judge/shooting up the chambers while dozens of right thinking bystanders cheer? Followed by him carrying his little girl out the courtroom on his shoulder of course.” That kinda already happened when Darren Mack killed his wife and shot the judge hearing his case. MRAs came out in support of him, saying he was “driven” to murder/attempted murder because of a system supposedly unfair to fathers. For more on Darren Mack, check my blog: http://trishwilson.typepad.com/blog/darren_mack/index.html
My cousin is one of those rare men who got screwed over wrt to visitation, pretty much because he was ignorant of his rights. And when the situation the child was living in got bad to the point of familial intervention, the courts carefully and gradually gave him custody of the child (with another familiar member as intermediary, since the kid had never met him before). And you know what? Situations like that just aren’t that common. I don’t think the courts are generally out to take away the rights of poor innocent men who just want to be good dads. But the court system isn’t perfect; sometimes it screws up. And that sucks, but it doesn’t make men oppressed.
I donât think the courts are generally out to take away the rights of poor innocent men who just want to be good dads. But the court system isnât perfect; sometimes it screws up. And that sucks, but it doesnât make men oppressed. Nor does it make occasional instances unworthy or mention or deserving or flat out mockery. Not saying you did that, just following on your comment to make the point.
My response to MRA’s who say “Men are oppressed” and “women have all the power, really” and so forth is: ‘Kay, tell you what. how ’bout we reverse roles. Women will run the world for the next two thousand years. We’ll hold the leadership positions, make the policies, enforce the wage gap, and slant the laws our way, but, um, you’ll have all the power, really. After a couple thousand years, we’ll discuss it.
Um yeah. Men want to parent their kids, and that’s somehow a patriarchal misogynist conspiracy. What planet are you people on?
P.S. What makes you think it’s a tiny minority of men who get screwed by the system? That’s like saying it’s a tiny minority of woman who give birth.
It is a fact, that here in the UK, where I live, that many men do not get to see their own children, due to the foul and disgusting attitude of their mother, the man`s ex-wife. Robert.
There’s a lot to William(Wilky) Fain that’s not shown in this movie. Check the booking sheets in Lexington, Tn and you’ll see what I mean. Just passing by.