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Obama and the Death Penalty

I don’t think anyone can be reasonably surprised when a progressive Democratic Presidential candidate disappoints us. But Obama didn’t have to speak out on the recent Supreme Court decision about the death penalty, and yet he chose to — against their decision and in support of capital punishment. I’m with Liliana on this one:

There’s no question the sexual assault of a child is a monstrous thing, the kind of utterly indefensible crime that can test the resolve of anyone who opposes the death penalty on moral grounds. Indeed, it is the sort of offense death penalty supporters reach for in arguing for the “ultimate sanction.” For a political candidate, it’s a particularly easy position to take. What kind of a person would attack you for saying a child rapist deserves to die?

In fact, in the recent history of the death penalty, calling for the execution of a person who commits a crime other than murder is a radical stance. Nobody has been executed for such an offense in the United States in over 40 years. Until yesterday, only two people out of more than 3,200 prisoners on death row faced execution for a crime in which the victim did not die. Affirming the death penalty for child rape would not only have potentially placed thousands more people on death row — as Justice Anthony Kennedy noted yesterday, there were 5,792 rapes of children under 12 in 2005 alone — it would have vastly broadened the net for capital crimes, a trend that would quickly become a slippery slope. Nevertheless, “I think that the rape of a small child, 6 or 8 years old, is a heinous crime,” Obama said yesterday, “and if a state makes a decision that under narrow, limited, well-defined circumstances the death penalty is at least potentially applicable, that that does not violate our Constitution.” Never mind cruel and unusual punishment. (And yes, that is Obama embracing the conservative mantle of states’ rights.)

Obama’s defenders may argue, as they do about his other recent shifts to the right, that he had to take this position in order to strengthen his candidacy. No, he didn’t. The Democrats may continue to operate in a world in which opposition to the death penalty equals political death, a world shaped by that famous 1988 Dukakis moment, in which the Democratic presidential candidate was hapless when challenged to state that he would support the killing of a man who raped his wife. But times have changed. While the Democrats have embraced the death penalty, public support for it has dwindled — especially in recent years. The regular exonerations of innocent prisoners in this country (218 and counting), persistent evidence of rampant racial and economic bias, and botched executions nationwide have led people — and juries — more and more, to reject the death penalty. Chalk it up, as the Supreme Court likes to, to our “evolving standards of decency.”

I have no sympathy for the monsters who rape children. If anyone deserves to die, it’s probably them. But I still oppose the death penalty — not only because I believe it’s morally and ethically wrong, but also because it’s impossible to assign equitably. The decision of who gets put to death and who doesn’t is far too dependent on the state where the trial is held, on the characteristics of the defendant, and on the characteristics of the jury. Criminal defendants don’t have a as good of a chance if they’re of a certain color or a certain economic class in certain states — and death is simply too harsh a penalty to be applied haphazardly.

Of course, even if was applied to every criminal, the death penalty would still be wrong. It’s unnecessary and cruel. And the fact that we really hate the person who committed the crime doesn’t justify it. I’m disappointed to see Obama on the wrong side of this one.


45 thoughts on Obama and the Death Penalty

  1. Great post. Not much to add, other than my appreciation that you can respectfully criticize, rather than rationalize, acts of the Dem nominee with which you disagree. I’m all for unity (ie, voting for Obama or against McCain, however you justify it), but not at expense of honest disagreement, and I hear too much stuff on the intertubes telling liberals to stow it and not to make waves because of the Most Important Election Evah. Thanks!

  2. Agree 100%, Jill. The death penalty is a barbaric obscenity. It puts us in the same company as some of the cruelest regimes on Earth.

    I’m not just disappointed with Obama on this one—I’m starting to get nervous. When Democrats start compromising principle to try to sound more like Republicans, it’s a recipe for disaster.

  3. I’m so disapointed to hear this. I had some hope that this election would see much fewer examples of democrats doing unethical things simply in order to avoid right-wing smear campaigns. It bothers me so much that either democratic party strategists don’t really believe that the elecotrate has moved beyond being so gullible or that Sen. Obama genuinely believes this, contrary to all the facts from all the different angles that unequivocably support the Supreme Court decision.

  4. Actually, as I recall, the question Dukakis was asked was not whether he would support the death penalty for someone who raped his wife, but for someone who raped and murdered his wife. So even in 1988, there wasn’t really much agitation for applying the death penalty to non-homicide crimes. (I took a course to which Governor Dukakis came to speak, a couple of years ago, and he was asked about his response to the question; he himself agrees he flubbed it, but because of his apparent detachment rather than the substance of his answer.)

  5. I was appalled at his comment not just because of my opinion on the death penalty, but because imposing maximum penalties for crimes in which no one is killed is a good way to increase the likelihood that someone will get killed. If you know it’s a capital offense, killing the child doesn’t increase the punishment if you get caught, but it does get rid of the witness. So not only is this a position geared to attract conservatives, it does so at the expense of a vulnerable group.

  6. Only the latest in a series of disappointments. His support for the FISA “compromise” is just as disturbing, if not more so.

  7. Since when have the Democrats not wanted to come out and support capital punishment particularly during presidential elections lest they appear less “tough on crime” than their Republican counterparts? Clinton was one of the most barbaric proponants of capital punishment even executing mentally ill or disabled inmates. As was Bush, jr.

    And this killing child rapists is just trying to sound like they care about children when in reality, killers of children are among the least likely to get the dealth penalty anyway.

    When Democrats start compromising principle to try to sound more like Republicans, it’s a recipe for disaster.

    I agree, but this has been going on with capital punishment for ages now. When it comes to some fundamental CJS issues, there really is only one big party.

  8. Word.

    You know, I’m really opposed to the death penalty and even I had to take a few minutes to swallow this decision and accept that it was right. I think that came from my thinking that if we’re going to have the death penalty for the worst crimes in our society, to restrict its use for one of the worst crimes in our society feels ridiculous and trivializing towards child rape. But. While I have to say that I feel a visceral desire to see child rapists dead, and while I wish that if we’re going to rule the death penalty unconstitutional that we would just fucking rule it as unconstitutional across the board . . . the ruling is right. Especially when you factor in the cold, hard logistical thinking that Butch mentions.

    What disappoints me most is that I really do believe that deep down, Obama knows that, too. I think that shows that I think highly of him and his intelligence, but in this context it’s really fucking far from a compliment. I’m pretty far from convinced that knowing something is right and going out of your way to say that it’s wrong anyway is somehow better than just not being smart enough to know that it’s right in the first place. On the contrary, it just might be worse.

  9. Since when have the Democrats not wanted to come out and support capital punishment particularly during presidential elections lest they appear less “tough on crime” than their Republican counterparts?

    Never. But that’s not the point — we can still be disappointed that Democrats aren’t getting any better, despite the mantra of “change.”

  10. I am very irritated with him for saying this, especially since I think it was specifically to inoculate him against a debate question like, “You’re the father of two little girls. Don’t you think that a man who rapes them should get the death penalty?” Obama was already in favor of the death penalty in principle (though he also supported increasing prisoners’ access to DNA testing and other ways to prove their innocence) so I wasn’t surprised, just annoyed and disappointed that he would take the bait.

    I’m even more irritated with our craptastic media and their love of “gotcha” questions that makes idiotic maneuvers like this necessary. They are slowly losing their influence — look how shocked they were by the election results of 2006 — but candidates can’t trust yet that the voters aren’t going to judge them based on stupid media memes like “John Kerry looks French!”

  11. What worries me about this isn’t so much that I believe Obama is compromising principle, but that this shows an uncharacteristic lack of critical thought from him. Personally, I believe that reasonable people can come to different conclusions about the morality of execution. Theoretically, I can think of a lot of crimes for which someone deserves to simply be removed from the human equation and rape (child or otherwise) is certainly on that list. I don’t, however, believe that its possible for reasonable or rational people who have had any contact whatsoever with the court system or people of color to believe that the death penalty could ever be evenly applied. Especially with his background, Obama should know better. Hell, Illinois suspended all executions just a few years ago specifically because of concerns about the huge numbers of false positives and the utterly unequal way in which the death penalty was applied.

  12. I don’t really agree with the death penalty, but I think that rapists and murderers should be removed from society in a very permanent way.

    So what to do?

  13. I don’t really agree with the death penalty, but I think that rapists and murderers should be removed from society in a very permanent way.

    So what to do?

    …put them in jail for the rest of their lives with no possibility of parole…?

  14. Nonskanse, why should they be removed from society permanently? They should certainly be prevented from harming anyone else — that’s what life in prison or meaningful rehabilitation is for — but I don’t believe anyone is beyond redemption. Sometimes people undergo massive moral (dare I say, spiritual) changes and end up doing some good with their lives. A murderer or a rapist can never set things right, but that doesn’t mean s/he’s intrinsically worthless. S/he can still make better choices in the future.

  15. Is it possible for progressives to stop referring to Obama as “progressive” now? He’s anything but.

  16. [I]f a state makes a decision that under narrow, limited, well-defined circumstances the death penalty is at least potentially applicable, that that does not violate our Constitution.” . . . (And yes, that is Obama embracing the conservative mantle of states’ rights.)

    I realize that many conservatives (especially social conservatives) use states’ rights arguments disingenuously. But that doesn’t mean liberals have to throw federalism out the window. Reasonable people can oppose capital punishment, even vehemently, while still believing that it’s constitutional under limited circumstances. Or at least, I do.

  17. I disagree with the death penalty for all crimes, including murder. I don’t believe the imperfect state should have that kind of power. I would like it to be unconstitutional, but I can’t get that directly out of the ban on cruel and unusual punishment. The most I can see is that non-proportionate punishments are banned — things like the death penalty applied to parking violations. Making that argument for child rape being punished by murder is not, in fact, a slam dunk. Given the large chunk of the electorate that thinks it’s hunky-dory, I don’t think it quite falls afoul of the constitutional ban.

    There are plenty of policy reasons to not like the death penalty for child rape, but the job of the justices is not to weigh policy, but to look at whether the law is constitutional.

  18. Haven’t posted in awhile. However, I have to say that I’ve disagreed with Obama on this for a long time. He wrote the same thing in his book, the Audacity of Hope. So, this wasn’t a shift at all. I have taken him to task for actual shifts, but this ain’t one and as a progressive trying to keep McCain out of the White House I just wanted to clear up what isn’t at all a policy shift for Obama.

    Quote from the book:

    “While the evidence tells me that the death penalty does little to deter crime, I believe there are some crimes–mass murder, the rape and murder of a child–so heinous, so beyond the pale, that the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage by meting out the ultimate punishment.”

    His longstanding opinion on the death penalty is nuanced and seems to be a strange balance. I disagree with it fully, in that the government has no right to execute people, but his stance on this is solid.

    -Chaz

  19. “Since when have the Democrats not wanted to come out and support capital punishment particularly during presidential elections lest they appear less “tough on crime” than their Republican counterparts?”

    Besides Kerry, you mean?

  20. Right, but that seemed to be not about “tough on crime,” but about the war on terror. I think people are moving the goalposts if they imply that he this is similar to BO’s position. He got the death penalty removed from the democratic platform, afterall. Glad to see BO is intent on putting it back!

  21. Never. But that’s not the point — we can still be disappointed that Democrats aren’t getting any better, despite the mantra of “change.”

    Fair enough but on this action since there’s never really been much of a reaction, it’s hard for some of us to even be disappointed. And I’m pessimistic about any real commitment to change in that political party. So it’s like shrugging shoulders not to let Obama off the hook but because there’s no change in a political party which is moving further right so it can be like the Republicans.

  22. Besides Kerry, you mean?

    And how exactly has this “war on terror” played out? The CJS process is so fucked up (sorry but no other word fits) and then they want to attach the death penalty (a fucked up process) to a process more flawed than even the regular CJS? No thanks. That’s not justice and it’s not a valid exception and no, Kerry who’s apparently holding the shoulders of his party on its progressive capital punishment platform doesn’t deserve an exception at least in my opinion.

    Well, yeah I guess if you’re not a 9-11 terrorist or profiled by the CJS as one, I guess you’re safe with him. I oppose it period and when people who come out opposing it make exceptions, it makes me a bit nervous.

    I was interviewed several months ago by a state appointed appellate attorney about the death penalty case of his client. He was from the northern part of the state and hadn’t taken a case from the death belt before. It was an interesting process but it’s addressing a very flawed and systematicly bigoted system.

  23. Chaz, it’s actually hard to say whether this is a policy shift for him. Calling for the death penalty for someone who raped and murdered a child is different from calling for the death penalty for someone who raped a child but left her alive. As Jill quotes Liliana saying, calling for the death penalty for a crime that didn’t involve killing somebody is a big extension of the death penalty, and extending the use of the death penalty isn’t what I would consider a progressive goal.

  24. I oppose it period and when people who come out opposing it make exceptions, it makes me a bit nervous.

    I’m just pointing out there is a difference between the 2004-terror-timez exception to a long-held policy of being against it, so much so as to change the platform of the entire party, and BO. It’s disingenuous to say that BO is doing exactly what dems always do, when he is going much further than Kerry.

  25. I don’t really agree with the death penalty, but I think that rapists and murderers should be removed from society in a very permanent way.

    So what to do?

    Sadly, it seems like all we can do is warehouse them until they die of natural causes. The risk of false positives and the utter inequity of it’s application make the death penalty a bad option given the current reality of our world.

    why should they be removed from society permanently? They should certainly be prevented from harming anyone else — that’s what life in prison or meaningful rehabilitation is for — but I don’t believe anyone is beyond redemption.

    Hottramp, thats not quite true. True sociopaths can’t be redeemed because they have no interest in redemption. It is virtually impossible to rehabilitate someone who is unwilling to work at rehabilitation because they feel they’ve done nothing wrong. The closest thing some people can feel to remorse is regret for having gotten caught. There are some people who are just beyond redemption. The smart ones who make the news (like Ted Bundy) or come to power (like Stalin or Mao) give the impression that this kind of person is rare. Sadly, they aren’t. Spending scant resources on trying to fix them is a waste, especially when you have plenty of redeemable people entering prison. Unfortunately all you can do sometimes is make sure they don’t do any more damage.

  26. It’s disingenuous to say that BO is doing exactly what dems always do, when he is going much further than Kerry.

    Al Gore supports the death penalty, as do both Bill and Hillary Clinton. Unfortunately, Kerry is an outlier in his own party when it comes to this issue. Obama is going about as far away from his original position as Kerry went from his — that was my point. I’m not defending it because, as I said, I think he did it strictly for soundbite reasons, but it’s only about one step away from the position he already held, not a sudden veer to the right.

  27. I’m probably going to get killed for saying this, but I don’t think death sentences for sex offenders would be an issue if they were sentenced properly in the first place. Pedophiles can’t be cured. So why are they released from prison after a few years and then humiliated by having to register as a sex offender for all to see? If the criminal justice system thinks that they’re going to rape again, why are they being released from prison in the first place? They should be in prison for the rest of their lives because they’re not going to be rehabilitated. I think the way the criminal justice system treats sex offenders is part of the social construct that everybody should be ashamed of their sexual exploits and should be humiliated if they don’t conform to a certain code of how people are supposed to express themselves sexually. Obviously, I think people who commit sex crimes should be ashamed (I think a lot of them are anyway). But I still don’t think they’re treated fairly in comparison to other criminals (like those with drug offenses). So either keep them in prison for the rest of their lives, or release them and accept the fact that they’ve paid their debt to society and move on.

  28. Unfortunately, Kerry is an outlier in his own party when it comes to this issue.

    The question was Since when have the Democrats not wanted to come out and support capital punishment particularly during presidential elections lest they appear less “tough on crime” than their Republican counterparts?

    And the answer is… 2004. When Kerry got the dems to take the death penalty off their platform. Hillary, Bill, Al… they all have nothing to do with this. I don’t understand people’s reaction to this — yes, it’s expected; yes, it’s consistent with his book; NO, it is not what dems have always done during elections.

    To be honest, his position here kind of makes me happy. It’s nothing I didn’t see coming, and with him siding with the conservatives on a couple of the last 5-4 decisions, the OMG ROE!!!!!!!! club and the WHAT ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT!!! bat his supporters try to bludgeon skeptics with gets more and more padded.

  29. And the answer is… 2004. When Kerry got the dems to take the death penalty off their platform. Hillary, Bill, Al… they all have nothing to do with this.

    You mean other than the fact that 4 of the last 5 presidential candidates (or in Hillary’s case, close second) were pro-death penalty? The fact that the Democratic Party has been pro-death penalty for a good 15 years (at least) barring the anomaly of Kerry’s candidacy?

    I don’t understand people’s reaction to this — yes, it’s expected; yes, it’s consistent with his book; NO, it is not what dems have always done during elections.

    Again, Kerry is the ONLY Democratic candidate since at least 1992 to oppose the death penalty. Frankly, I’m surprised that you assumed a single candidate’s position meant that the entire party was permanently changed. Kerry was swimming against the tide, he lost the election, now we’re back to Plan A. Why is this such a bizarre notion to you?

    To be honest, his position here kind of makes me happy. It’s nothing I didn’t see coming, and with him siding with the conservatives on a couple of the last 5-4 decisions, the OMG ROE!!!!!!!! club and the WHAT ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT!!! bat his supporters try to bludgeon skeptics with gets more and more padded.

    Please tell me you haven’t fallen for the “But Obama will appoint judges just as conservative as the ones McCain would appoint” propaganda.

  30. I haven’t “fallen” for any propaganda. I think that someone who is siding with conservatives on 5-4 decisions and didn’t see anything wrong with Roberts cannot be trusted to make good SC nominee decisions.

    Again, Kerry is the ONLY Democratic candidate since at least 1992 to oppose the death penalty. Frankly, I’m surprised that you assumed a single candidate’s position meant that the entire party was permanently changed.

    Yeah, I think I’m missing the point you’re trying to make. THE MOST RECENT CANDIDATE FOR THE PRESIDENCY WAS AGAINST THE DEATH PENALTY. Do you understand that? Therefore, the democrats are not ALWAYS pro-death penalty. What are you missing here? I’m not arguing that the dems are ALWAYS against the death penalty; I’m arguing that they are not ALWAYS for it. Which you concede.

  31. I really dislike the death penalty. I think it’s barbaric and a stupid way to discourage people from commiting crimes because hello? it hasn’t really worked. Now, it may sound really terrible but I would support whipping. Personally i believe the threat of physical harm to punish wrong doers is much more effective than locking them up or killing them. I might or might not support legislation concerning this.

  32. I am against the death penalty, pretty much for some of the reasons cited in this thread as far as the state applying it equitably. Also because if this hadnt been overturned it could actually lead to more murders. If you can be executed for raping someone, why not just kill your victim as well to lessen the chances you get caught/convicted?

    As far as some people being irredeemable sociopaths, perhaps thats true but if i was someone who committed sex or other heinous crimes and I knew I’d be classified as ireedemable I would be even more vicious in the commission of my crimes as well as a hazard while in prison as theres no chance I’ll ever get out. Putting a 18 year old kid in solitary or 23 hour lockdown for 70 years or a 40 year old in there for 40? Tough thing to do.

  33. Sadly, it seems like all we can do is warehouse them until they die of natural causes. The risk of false positives and the utter inequity of it’s application make the death penalty a bad option given the current reality of our world.

    Jill, William, others…
    I know this is the only solution we really have but… ugh. They committed a crime against a person and society, and then we pay to take care of them. It makes me feel icky, but I can’t think of anything better.

  34. Based upon the comments, it appears that you have only read the anti death penalty side of the debate.

    Not suprisingly, there are different versions of the reality of the US.

    Here is my take.

    The Death Penalty in the US: A Review
    Dudley Sharp, Justice Matters, contact info below
     
    NOTE: Detailed review of any of the below topics, or others, is available upon request
     
    In this brief format, the reality of the death penalty in the United States, is presented, with the hope that the media, public policy makers and others will make an effort to present a balanced view on this sanction.
     

    Innocence Issues
     
    Death Penalty opponents have proclaimed that 128 inmates have been “released from death row with evidence of their innocence”, in the US, since the modern death penalty era began, post Furman v Georgia (1972).
     
    That number is a fraud.
     
    Those opponents have intentionally included both the factually innocent (the “I truly had nothing to do with the murder” cases) and the legally innocent (the “I got off because of legal errors” cases), thereby fraudulently raising the “innocent” numbers. This is easily confirmed by fact checking.
     
    Death penalty opponents claim that 24 such innocence cases are in Florida. The Florida Commission on Capital Cases found that 4 of those 24 MIGHT be innocent — an 83% error rate in for the claims of death penalty opponents. Other studies show their error rate to be about 70%.
     
    Therefore, 20-25 of the alleged 127 innocents MIGHT be actually innocent — a 0.3% actual guilt error rate for the over 8000 sentenced to death since 1973.  The actual innocents were all freed,
     
    It is often claimed that 23 innocents have been executed in the US since 1900.  Nonsense.  Even the authors of that “23 innocents executed” study proclaimed “We agree with our critics, we never proved those (23) executed to be innocent; we never claimed that we had.”  While no one would claim that an innocent has never been executed, there is no proof of an innocent executed in the US, at least since 1900.
     
    No one disputes that innocents are found guilty, within all countries.  However, when scrutinizing death penalty opponents claims, we find that when reviewing the accuracy of verdicts and the post conviction thoroughness of discovering those actually innocent incarcerated, that the US death penalty process may be one of the most accurate criminal justice sanctions in the world. 
     
    Under real world scenarios, not executing murderers will always put many more innocents at risk, than will ever be put at risk of execution.
     

    Deterrence Issues
     
    16 recent US studies, inclusive of their defenses,  find a deterrent effect of the death penalty.
     
    All the studies which have not found a deterrent effect of the death penalty have refused to say that it does not deter some.  The studies finding for deterrence state such.  Confusion arises when people think that a simple comparison of murder rates and executions, or the lack thereof, can tell the tale of deterrence.  It cannot. 
     
    Both high and low murder rates are found within death penalty and non death penalty jurisdictions, be it Singapore, South Africa, Sweden or Japan, or the US states of Michigan and Delaware.  Many factors are involved in such evaluations.  Reason and common sense tell us that it would be remarkable to find that the most severe criminal sanction — execution — deterred none.  No one is foolish enough to suggest that the potential for negative consequences does not deter the behavior of some.  Therefore, regardless of jurisdiction, having the death penalty will always be an added deterrent to murders, over and above any lesser punishments.
     

    Racial issues
     
    White murderers are twice as likely to be executed in the US as are black murderers and are executed, on average, 12 months more quickly than are black death row inmates.
     
    It is often stated that it is the race of the victim which decides who is prosecuted in death penalty cases.  Although blacks and whites make up about an equal number of murder victims, capital cases are 6 times more likely to involve white victim murders than black victim murders.  This, so the logic goes, is proof that the US only cares about white victims.
     
    Hardly.  Only capital murders, not all murders, are subject to a capital indictment.  Generally, a capital murder is limited to murders plus secondary aggravating factors, such as murders involving burglary, carjacking, rape, and additional murders, such as police murders, serial and multiple murders.  White victims are, overwhelmingly, the victims under those circumstances, in ratios nearly identical to the cases found on death row.
     
    Any other racial combinations of defendants and/or their victims in death penalty cases, is a reflection of the crimes committed and not any racial bias within the system, as confirmed by studies from the Rand Corporation (1991), Smith College (1994), U of Maryland (2002), New Jersey Supreme Court (2003) and by a view of criminal justice statistics, within a framework of the secondary aggravating factors necessary for capital indictments.
     

    Class issues
     
    No one disputes that wealthier defendants can hire better lawyers and, therefore, should have a legal advantage over their poorer counterparts.  The US has executed about 0.15% of all murderers since new death penalty statutes were enacted in 1973.  Is there evidence that wealthier capital murderers are less likely to be executed than their poorer ilk, based upon the proportion of capital murders committed by different those different economic groups? Not to my knowledge.
     

    Arbitrary and capricious
     
    About 10% of all murders within the US might qualify for a death penalty eligible trial.  That would be about 64,000 murders since 1973.  We have sentenced 8000 murderers to death since then, or 13% of those eligible.  I doubt that there is any other crime which receives a higher percentage of maximum sentences, when mandatory sentences are not available.  Based upon that, as well as pre trial, trial, appellate and clemency/commutation realities, the US death penalty is likely the least arbitrary and capricious criminal sanctions in the  US.
     

    Christianity and the death penalty
     
    The two most authoritative New Testament scholars, Saints Augustine and Aquinas, provide substantial biblical and theological support for the death penalty. Even the most well known anti death penalty personality in the US, Sister Helen Prejean, author of Dead Man Walking, states that “It is abundantly clear that the Bible depicts murder as a capital crime for which death is considered the appropriate punishment, and one is hard pressed to find a biblical ‘proof text’ in either the Hebrew Testament or the New Testament which unequivocally refutes this.  Even Jesus’ admonition ‘Let him without sin cast the first stone,’ when He was asked the appropriate punishment for an adulteress (John 8:7) — the Mosaic Law prescribed death — should be read in its proper context.  This passage is an ‘entrapment’ story, which sought to show Jesus’ wisdom in besting His adversaries.  It is not an ethical pronouncement about capital punishment.”  A thorough review of Pope John Paul II’s position, reflects a reasoning that should be recommending more executions.
     

    Cost Issues
     
    All studies finding the death penalty to be more expensive than life without parole exclude important factors, such as (1) geriatric care costs, recently found to be $69,0000/yr/inmate, (2) the death penalty cost benefit of providing for plea bargains to a maximum life sentence, a huge cost savings to the state, (3) the death penalty cost benefit of both enhanced deterrence and enhanced incapacitation, at $5 million per innocent life spared, and, furthermore, (4) many of the alleged cost comparison studies are highly deceptive.
     

    Polling data
     
    76% of Americans find that we should impose the death penalty more or that we impose it about right (Gallup, May 2006 – 51% that we should impose it more, 25% that we impose it about right)
     
    71%  find capital punishment morally acceptable – that was the highest percentage answer for all questions (Gallup, April 2006, moral values poll). In May, 2007, the percentage dropped to 66%, still the highest percentage answer, with 27% opposed. (Gallup, 5/29/07)
     
    81% of the American people supported the execution of Timothy McVeigh, with only 16% opposed. “(T)his view appears to be the consensus of all major groups in society, including men, women, whites, nonwhites, “liberals” and “conservatives.”  (Gallup 5/2/01).
     
    81% of Connecticut citizens supported the execution of serial rapist/murderer Michael Ross (Jan 2005).
     
    While 81% gave specific case support for Timothy McVeigh’s execution, Gallup also showed a 65% support AT THE SAME TIME when asked a general “do you support capital punishment for murderers?” question. (Gallup, 6/10/01).
     
    22% of those supporting McVeigh’s execution are, generally, against the death penalty (Gallup 5/02/01). That means that about half of those who say they oppose the death penalty, with the general question,  actually support the death penalty under specific circumstances, just as it is imposed, judicially.
     
    Further supporting the higher rates for specific cases, is this, from the French daily Le Monde December 2006 (1): Percentage of respondents in favor of executing Saddam Hussein:USA: 82%; Great Britain: 69%; France: 58%; Germany: 53%; Spain: 51%; Italy: 46%
     
    Death penalty support is much deeper and much wider than we are often led to believe, with 50% of those who say they, generally, oppose the death penalty actually supporting it under specific circumstances, resulting in 80% death penalty support in the US, as recently as December 2006.
     
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    Whatever your feelings are toward the death penalty, a fair accounting of how it is applied should be demanded.
     
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  35. I know this is the only solution we really have but… ugh. They committed a crime against a person and society, and then we pay to take care of them. It makes me feel icky, but I can’t think of anything better.

    I know, it makes me uncomfortable too. I’d like to see them simply put down so we could spend the money we’d waste on warehousing them spent on people who might actually be able to be/deserve to be rehabilitated. Unfortunately, our system simply doesn’t work well enough for that. Just another way racism and classism bites us in the ass, I guess. But I second the icky feeling.

  36. They committed a crime against a person and society, and then we pay to take care of them. It makes me feel icky, but I can’t think of anything better.

    Yeah, but it costs more to execute a prisoner than to incarcerate for life.

  37. Dear Mr. Sharp,
    one person wrongfully executed is one too many.

    And besides, I know I have sort of an outside perspective on the whole issue, but to me death penalty is barbaric, period.

    In Europe, we’ve been doing pretty well without legally killing people for the last few decades, and maybe some people should take a closer look at liberal Finland for examples of meaningful rehabilitation.

    I disagree with this whole American view of petty punishment instead of striving for real solutions.

  38. I’m deeply opposed to the death penalty, and I’d gladly go door to door in a campaign for its abolition. I don’t consider taking the life of a captive to be a legitimate power of government.

    That said, I think it’s very hard to deny that our constitution specifically contemplates the availability of a death penalty (“nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;”) and limits it primarily by process concerns. Moreover, I think the actual opinion in Louisiana v. Kennedy is sloppy at best and possibly wrongly decided on its own terms.

    As I understand it, the reasoning in Kennedy says the court will inquire into two things when deciding whether a particular punishment violates the 8th amendment: (i) the existence of a national consensus, and (ii) the court’s own independent judgment. Then, in deciding Kennedy, the court ignores the fact that the trend in the country is (lamentably) toward more capital punishment not less, and embraces the result of a case (Coker) that–only a few pages before–the Court had announced its intention to ignore.

    I would like to see Democrats get more engaged in building grassroots opposition to the death penalty, and I would love to see a presidential candidate who is vocally opposed. But I can’t get too mad at Obama about this one; it’s a bad and sloppy decision, the language of the constitution is ambiguous at best (and more likely wholly against our position), and it’s hard to imagine a case that would frame the issue in a less congenial way for our objectives. This decision was a happy accident that saved the defendant’s life, and I’m thankful for that. Nevertheless, it is not a point of strength to rally around, and I don’t think we need to write people who disagree with it on legal grounds out of the progressive movement. (If, on the other hand, they think expanding the scope of the death penalty is an objective good, banish away.)

  39. Two separate issues: (a) is the death penalty unConstitutional? (That is, does the Constitution forbid it from being used?) (b) is the death penalth good public policy? Personally, I think the death penalty is Constitutional for the rape of children. So I think the Supreme Court got this wrong. On the other hand, I think that it is bad public policy, for several reasons. So that leaves me liking the result but disliking what I see as shoddy jurisprudence.

  40. As for Europe and rehabilitation: what do you think that chances are of rehabilitating Joseph Fritzl, the Austrian who raped his daughter, had six children by her, and imprisoned her and three of the children for twenty years? And what do you think of the prison sentence he is likely to receive: 15 years?

    And then there’s this guy (below). No, the US doesn’t have it figured out. But Europe doesn’t have much to teach us, either.

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    June 18, 2004
    Belgian Man Is Convicted Of Raping and Killing Girls
    By CRAIG S. SMITH
    A Belgian jury on Thursday convicted a former electrician of kidnapping, raping and killing girls eight years ago, ending an agonizing 16-week trial and closing the book on one of the most disturbing criminal cases in the country’s history.

    Marc Dutroux, 47, faces a life sentence for the abduction, abuse and deaths of four girls, two of whom were apparently drugged, wrapped in plastic and buried alive. The other two died of starvation in an underground chamber where he left them while serving a three-month sentence for car theft.

    Mr. Dutroux was also found guilty of kidnapping and raping two girls who survived. Their testimony and their return with the jury to the dungeon where they had been held provided the most dramatic moments of the trial.

    On Thursday, Mr. Dutroux’s former wife, Michelle Martin, was convicted of imprisoning the abducted girls and of rape. She faces as many as 35 years in prison. Also convicted of kidnapping was Michel Lelièvre, 33, whom prosecutors described as Mr. Dutroux’s ”faithful companion.” He also could be sentenced to 35 years. Sentencing will take place next week.

    ”A page has turned,” Louisa Lejeune, the mother of one of the victims told reporters. ”It’s recognition” of what happened, she said, ”and that comes as a relief.”

    While Mr. Dutroux’s trial is over, it will take years to wash away the stain the case has left on Belgium’s police and judicial systems, which fumbled it so badly that many people said they believed there was a high-level effort to protect him from prosecution.

    Mr. Dutroux had been imprisoned previously for raping young women and was under police surveillance at the time of the later abductions.

    Police officers raided his house in 1995 after an informant told them of the dungeon he had dug there to keep girls. Though they could hear screaming — probably from the 8-year-olds, Julie Lejeune and Mélissa Russo, who both later died — the police accepted Mr. Dutroux’s explanation that the sound was coming from children playing in the street.

    Later, the prosecutor, whose investigation finally freed the last two girls Mr. Dutroux abducted, was hounded by death threats and was eventually taken off the case.

    Mr. Dutroux then briefly escape in 1998.

    In March, as the trial was starting, a key that fit his handcuffs was found hidden in a container of salt in a cupboard near his prison cell.

    Mr. Dutroux fed the conspiracy theories by contending he was part of a pedophile ring that supplied girls for wealthy clients. No evidence of a wider ring was ever found.

    The man who Mr. Dutroux said led that ring, Michel Nihoul, was acquitted Thursday of all charges of complicity in the abductions after the jury initially delivered a hung verdict. However, it found him guilty of dealing drugs, peddling false documents and trading in stolen vehicles.

    Mr. Nihoul faces up to 20 years in prison.

    The case shocked Europe with its brutality and led to an anxious public debate on pedophilia and child abuse, subjects that had until then had received little media attention. The Belgian case was followed by high-profile cases of pedophilia in Britain, Portugal and France.

    In Britain, the former caretaker of a school was sentenced to life in prison for the 2002 rape and murder of two 10-year-old girls. And in Portugal, a trial is pending for a former school guard and a handyman in the widespread abuse of children at a school for underprivileged and orphaned youth in the 1990’s. In France, 17 adults have been charged with the abuse of as many as 18 children, though most of the accused have been released after conflicting testimony by one of those involved. Mr. Dutroux’s crimes began when he kidnapped Ms. Lejeune and Ms. Russo near their homes in eastern Belgium in June 1995, three years after having been released from prison where he had served 3 years of a 13-year sentence for several rapes.

    Two months after abducting Ms. Lejeune and Ms. Russo, Ms. Dutroux kidnapped An Marchal, 17, and Eefje Lambrecks, 19, from the Belgian coastal town of Ostend, where the young women were on vacation. Their bodies were found buried beneath a shed on Mr. Dutroux’s property, and prosecutors said forensic evidence suggested that they had been buried alive.

    When Mr. Dutroux was sentenced for car theft in December 1995, he instructed Ms. Martin, then his wife, to keep Ms. Lejeune and Ms. Russo locked in his dungeon and feed them. She testified that she was afraid to look into the chamber, though she continued to feed Mr. Dutroux’s two dogs.

    When Mr. Dutroux got out of jail he buried the girls in the backyard of one of his properties where an accomplice, Bernard Weinstein, was living. He later killed Mr. Weinstein and buried him in the yard as well.

    Despite a police report that Mr. Dutroux was interested in abducting girls and a national campaign led by Ms. Marchal’s father to find the four missing girls, Mr. Dutroux was able to kidnap Sabine Dardenne, then 12, in May 1996. She was held in the dungeon and raped as many as 20 times.

    Mr. Dutroux kidnapped Laetitia Delhez, who was 14, in August that year. A witness to her abduction noted the license plate of Mr. Dutroux’s van, leading to his arrest. The two girls were rescued days later.

    Relatives of the dead girls welcomed the verdicts. ”I am happy,” Paul Marchal, An’s father, told a television station. ”They are guilty for everything that they have done.”

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  41. Yeah, but it costs more to execute a prisoner than to incarcerate for life.

    Beginning at trial if you compare the guilt phase of the death penalty process with a noncapital homicide trial. The guilt phase and any Atkins proceeding. The appellate process which varies from state to state. In California, it’s very slow to get started too. The case I mentioned above was assigned to its appellate lawyer five years after the death sentence was imposed by the jury and seconded by the trial judge.

    I know, it makes me uncomfortable too. I’d like to see them simply put down so we could spend the money we’d waste on warehousing them spent on people who might actually be able to be/deserve to be rehabilitated. Unfortunately, our system simply doesn’t work well enough for that. Just another way racism and classism bites us in the ass, I guess. But I second the icky feeling.

    Put down like a dog? Who wants to live in a country like that?

    The appellate process might seem like a waste of money but it’s important and in many states completely inadequate particularly for indigent defendants. Many defendants are tried and convicted on the words of single witnesses, jailhouse informants (and I was still amazed at the extent of this practice when hearing speeches by death row inmates cleared by DNA testing)

  42. Put down like a dog? Who wants to live in a country like that?

    The appellate process might seem like a waste of money but it’s important and in many states completely inadequate particularly for indigent defendants. Many defendants are tried and convicted on the words of single witnesses, jailhouse informants (and I was still amazed at the extent of this practice when hearing speeches by death row inmates cleared by DNA testing)

    My point was that, while I would like to see people who commit certain crimes simply eliminated from society, the system we have simply doesn’t allow for it. We have too may false positives (as the Innocence Project has terrifyingly demonstrated), a system with too much inherent inequality on both class and racial lines, and the uses are often unseemly and corruption withing the system is rampant (the case of Cory Maye is a good example of all of these). So yeah, I would like to live in a country where guilt or innocence could be fairly and surely decided, allowing us to excise and dispose of the very lowest rung of failed human beings. Unfortunately, in order to do the latter you have to have the former, and I’m not convinced that we could ever achieve a perfect system. That ends up leaving me as a big fan of a broad death penalty in theory, and a strong opponent of any death penalty in practice.

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