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Chris Matthews Racism Watch

Like I’m sure you did, as it became more and more likely that Obama would be the Democratic nominee, I started to worry about Chris Matthews. After all, the man makes his living from misogyny. More specifically, I’m pretty convinced that he actually lives off of it — saying horrible things about women is his equivalent of air. If Hillary Clinton is out of the picture . . . now what?

Fear not, dear readers. Chris Matthews, impressive journalist that he is, is adaptable. I’m sure that he had a few teary nights when he realized that his gravy-train may soon be coming to a halt — and that it’s possible he had some small part in applying the brakes. But what did Matthews do? Pulled himself up by his bootstraps, of course! Wannabe kings of hardball, take note: when life takes away your female punching bag, you make racist lemonade.

Matthews has eagerly jumped on the “elitism” train. In fact, as far as I can tell, he’s the conductor. Obama, Matthews says, is an “elitist.” He can’t connect with most Americans. He’s different — not like you and I. Matthews made this most clear when he said this last month:

MATTHEWS: OK. Let me ask you about how he — how’s he connect with regular people? Does he? Or does he only appeal to people who come from the African-American community and from the people who have college or advanced degrees?

I hope that anyone with any comprehension of racial relations can see the problem with suggesting that “working class white Americans” are undeniably “regular” people, while African-American people are, well, black. Not “regular.” Not like “us.”

This is also what the accusations of elitism do — try to position Obama as “not one of us,” and therefore (more subtly than above) position “us” as “not black.” Sure, John Kerry got the same “elitist” crap — but in the same way that picking on Hillary Clinton’s looks took on an entirely different meaning from making fun of male politician’s looks, positioning Obama as “elitist” in this context also morphs into a racist trick.

Honestly, I think it’s a distinction that’s easy to miss. Or maybe I just think that because I originally missed it. But in April, this op-ed was published in the LA Times. And though I disagree with the implication that politicians and political analysts, whose jobs are to manipulate people’s prejudices and emotions, have no idea that what they’re doing plays into racism, it’s otherwise an excellent piece that you should read in full. An excerpt:

[W]hen his opponents branded him an elitist and an outsider, his race made it easier to drive a wedge between him and the white, rural voters he has courted. As an African American, he was supposedly looking down from a place he didn’t belong and looking in from a distance he could not cross.

This could not happen as dramatically were it not for embedded racial attitudes. “Elitist” is another word for “arrogant,” which is another word for “uppity,” that old calumny applied to blacks who stood up for themselves.

At the bottom of the American psyche, race is still about power, and blacks who move up risk triggering discomfort among some whites. I’ve met black men who, when stopped by white cops at night, think the best protection is to act dumb and deferential.

Furthermore, casting Obama as “out of touch” plays harmoniously with the traditional notion of blacks as “others” at the edge of the mainstream, separate from the whole. Despite his ability to articulate the frustration and yearning of broad segments of Americans, his “otherness” has been highlighted effectively by right-wingers who harp on his Kenyan father and spread false rumors that he’s a clandestine Muslim.

Like I said, I didn’t pick this one up on my own. My white privilege left me with a big old blind spot there. But after having it pointed out, I sure as hell can’t deny it. And I also can’t believe that Chris Matthews, who has made an entire career off of manipulating white men to be afraid and resentful of other people who are not white men, doesn’t know exactly what he’s doing. I listen to Chris Matthews, and hear things come out of his mouth that are as stupid as stupid gets. I used to mistake this for him being stupid. What a mistake indeed.

When Matthews makes the “observation” that “[T]his gets very ethnic, but the fact that he’s good at basketball doesn’t surprise anybody,” he knows exactly what he’s doing. He’s making sure that no one watching his show can go on for more than 2 minutes at a time without consciously recognizing that Barack Obama (whose lineage is actually equally white) is socially perceived as a black man — not a candidate, a politician, a person, and certainly not “regular.”

He also knows exactly what he’s doing when he calls Obama’s “Americanism” into question and paints him as ungrateful:

MATTHEWS: OK, one thing you don’t do is you don’t do what he does. You don’t thank America for giving you what you got, like, I got all these degrees, I got all these advantages, so I thank America. Love of country is not because you got certain things from it. It’s not a transaction. You don’t thank people for giving you stuff. It’s like loving your parents. You don’t thank them for giving you a nice school and education. You thank them because they’re your parents. They’re your parents. You love your country — it’s called patriotism. It’s love of fatherland, of country.

Actually, as someone who is persistently bemused by patriotism, I always distinctly got the impression that publicly declared love of America was entirely about crediting it with all it has “given” you, as though there is no “opportunity,” free speech, right to vote or college education elsewhere, and that if there is, it’s certainly not better. I also find it (angrily) amusing because so many conservatives demand that black people start acting more grateful precisely because of what America has “given” them. It’s dizzying logic: black people should be more grateful about how well they are supposedly treated in America, what with their mostly being able to vote, and so they shouldn’t say anything bad about the U.S.; but if they express their love for America based on the benefits of living there, they’re uppity elitists who don’t know how to be grateful for their country. Obama, lucky him, gets both.

Matthews also knows exactly what he’s doing when he tries to paint Obama as unimaginably wealthy:

MATTHEWS: I agree. Well, I think he’s right. I think, being an African-American, it’s all the more important to get in there and show who you are, introduce yourself as a person, not as an identity group —

FINEMAN: Right. Right.

MATTHEWS: — but as a human being, and connect with people. I think that’s still going to be his challenge. Playing pool, not a bad start, but it’s not what most people play. People with money play pool these days.

FINEMAN: Oh.

MATTHEWS: Anyway, thank you. The guys who have pool rooms in their house in the basement. You know what those tables cost?

In other words, black people aren’t really “people” until they grovel to be perceived that way to Matthews’ satisfaction, and when they don’t do that, they think they’re better than you. Also, if they don’t grovel properly, they must be chastised for having more than they deserve/white conservative assholes are willing to give them. Starting to see a trend here?

Lastly, Matthews knew what he was doing two nights ago when he tried to make the argument that Obama is both too rich and too poor.

MATTHEWS: But isn’t there something missing — isn’t there something really missing in his biography that people can identify with? He’s gone from being a poor kid, growing up in Hawaii, in Indonesia, part of his youth, mixed family background, had to struggle, worked with community organizations; went to these incredibly elite schools, Columbia and Harvard Law, making Law Review and all that. He missed the middle part. Most Americans don’t know anything about being dirt poor and don’t know anything about the Ivy League. They’re sort of in this struggling class. The people in the middle worried about paying bills, for whom going to the movies, paying 35, 40 bucks for the whole cost of going to the movies with your wife, is just too much money, OK?

FORD: Senator Obama a few years —

MATTHEWS: Does he have that experience that people — most Americans have? Does he connect on the basic struggling-class level? And I’m not sure he does.

As Ford goes on to explain, Matthews is actually dead wrong — and while Obama is absolutely financially well-off, he is worth a hell of a lot less than most nationally recognized politicians. So, Matthews simply changes topics. His goal isn’t to be right — it’s to paint Obama as both a poor black welfare child and an affirmative action case who needs to be ashamed that he’s in a financial position better than most white Americans. He succeeded at it, therefore felt no need to apologize and will most likely do it again. And again. And again.

No, Chris Matthews isn’t stupid, he’s just a shitty person. If he was only capable of making dumbass remarks without an agenda, he wouldn’t have a job. As it stands, he has a job that’s great for him and really bad for the rest of us.

If it will make you feel any better, Media Matters has the contact information for Matthews, Hardball and MSNBC.


55 thoughts on Chris Matthews Racism Watch

  1. Oh Jesus Christ, I can’t stand him. First, he’s totally in the tank for Obama and absolutely offensive when talking about Clinton, and now he stops love-love-loving Obama the minute he’s the nominee? I really can’t get beyond basic angry sputtering right now. GRRR! How can anybody say with a straight face that the media has a liberal bias?!?!?!?

  2. The guys who have pool rooms in their house in the basement. You know what those tables cost?

    $250 on Craigslist. At least that’s how much mine was.

  3. Also, does he ever let anyone else talk? I mean, I am between TVs, so I really don’t know.

  4. Or does he only appeal to people who come from the African-American community and from the people who have college or advanced degrees?

    Having lived in Chicago in the late 1990’s (and still doing so today), it’s amusing to see that question since in 2000 against Bobby Rush, Barack Obama was seen as appealing to people with college or advanced degrees but not African-Americans. In that contest, against that opponent, Obama seemed to have a hard time fighting off charges of elitism; according to Chicago media coverage at the time “Harvard-trained lawyer” was Obama’s official title (much like “former Black Panther member” was Rush’s). Should be interesting to see what Obama learned in that race to fight off elitism charges here.

  5. Well, Cara, let’s not forget that Matthews legendary misogyny got neatly fused with a very odd bit of racism last year when he started criticizing Clinton for “clapping like she’s Chinese”. That one made me turn my head sideways and go Hmm, because it’s unusual these days for me to run into racial stereotypes which I haven’t heard before; I hadn’t realized that some white people think I clap in a peculiar oriental manner, hehe. Ya never know what that Matthews character will come up with next. *clap clap clap*

  6. This is hilarious, considering that George W. Bush is one of the biggest elitist douche-bags, along with his ELITIST, RICH, UPPER CLASS, WHITE FAMILY.

    Oh, and aren’t many RepubliKKKAn douche-bags elitists, too, no? Chris Matthews needs to STFU and go back to his cave and hang out with other cave-men.

  7. I don’t watch Chris Matthews as he reminds me of too many pompous blowhard windbags I used to have to put up with in academia and the workplace.

    Only difference is that if they got too obnoxious about it, one could derive some pleasure from watching them get tossed out/fired from the venue for their trouble.

  8. Absolution, urbanartiste.

    And I don’t watch Chris Matthews either!!! Hehe, I don’t want people getting that impression. I only watch TV news on election nights, and then I always go to CNN — which is bad enough — both because I <3 Anderson Cooper and really, really hate Chris Matthews’ guts. And I also hate Tim Russert — he’s on MSNBC, too, right? As you can see from the links, all of the info here is courtesy of Media Matters.

  9. If Obama were white, he would be universally hailed as the embodiment of the American dream — son of an immigrant, raised in a nontraditional family, eventually getting a knock-out education on his merits and devoting himself to public service. This is ridiculous.

  10. While I realize this is only a minor complaint about Matthews’s comments, I put myself through college by waitressing in a pool hall, and I can assure you that it is not an elitist game.

    Second of all, it is extraordinarily offensive that Matthews not only places college educated Americans and African-Americans into two different groups, but also that he claims neither group belongs with the “regular” Americans.

    I thought the whole point of electing someone to be our leader was to choose someone, hopefully, more educated than ourselves. I want my president to have a better education that I do.

  11. This is one of the reasons why I get so frustrated seeing Obama supporters and Clinton supporters get into fights about who’s being treated worse, who’s getting a free ride, who’s been a bigger victim of X, Y, or Z on the campaign trail — just because a Neanderthal like Matthews lays into Clinton for supposedly being a shrill ball-buster doesn’t mean he won’t turn around and undermine Obama over something equally pejorative and stupid. (Meanwhile, John McCain can just sit back and soak up more of Matthews’s “maverick” adulation, in spite of the fact that McCain has fallen in lockstep with the Bush administration on virtually everything.)

    Let’s face it, neither one of our candidates was ever going to get a fair shake from the punditocracy, who would much rather make jokey “ew, a girl!” or “ew, a black guy!” comments than focus on anything substantive or issues-based. The best we can do is to try and push back against it as a group — it may not change Matthews’s behavior, but at least it might get some people to see through it.

  12. The game is this…

    They, TPTB, are vastly afraid of a crushing republican defeat next fall, as in a ’32 election, which would give Obama a much more free hand. They’re trying to drive those negatives tick by tick to avert that.

  13. Most Americans don’t know anything about being dirt poor and don’t know anything about the Ivy League.

    Right. Because budgeting and post-secondary education are as foreign to the experience of most Americans as going to the moon. I’m glad somebody is watching Matthews because I can’t stand the sight, sound, or idea of him.

  14. Most Americans don’t know anything about being dirt poor and don’t know anything about the Ivy League.

    Right. Because budgeting and post-secondary education are as foreign to the experience of most Americans as going to the moon. I’m glad somebody is watching Matthews because I can’t stand the sight, sound, or idea of him.

    That comment along with Sniper’s comment further underscores how out of touch this blowhard is. Is he aware of the subprime mortgage crisis or the large numbers of the “middle-class” who were/are effectively dirt-poor due to life circumstances??? Is he aware that to many Americans….especially the middle and working classes that the Ivy League not only well-known, but also that access to it is highly coveted as a ticket out of poverty and/or a means of further upward social mobility?

    What rock has he been hiding under???

  15. This is my first time posting but I’ve really enjoy this site.

    On Matthews, unfortunately, his statements mirror the sentiments of a large segment of the population. He just preaching to his choir for ratings. I have co-workers who constantly deride Michelle Obama for her “proud” comment by noting that they never got to go to an ivy league school–without so much of any hint of self reflection about (i) whether they applied to an ivy, or (ii) whether they had the grades to get in, etc. Implicit in their and Matthews’ statements is that Obama’s educational opportunities (and their success in general) were unearned, and even worse, at the expense of a more deserving white person.

  16. I have co-workers who constantly deride Michelle Obama for her “proud” comment by noting that they never got to go to an ivy league school–without so much of any hint of self reflection about (i) whether they applied to an ivy, or (ii) whether they had the grades to get in, etc. Implicit in their and Matthews’ statements is that Obama’s educational opportunities (and their success in general) were unearned, and even worse, at the expense of a more deserving white person.

    Plus, many of these angry Whites pull the same crap on Asian-Americans whose attendance Ivy/Ivy-level schools took seats away from “more deserving” White applicants when admissions standards for us are far more demanding and rigorous than for White applicants….and those are the words of friends and relatives who actually worked in Ivy/Ivy-level undergrad admissions.

    IME, every White person who has whined about this rarely demonstrated the skills and intellect even at the level of a mediocre high school graduate…much less someone hoping to be a university student at any place…much less an Ivy/Ivy-level school.

    As for Michelle Obama’s “proud” comment, I thought that was because the conservatives interpreted her remarks as implying her patriotism/love of country did not exist until her husband became a presidential candidate. That’s not politically wise as most conservatives and so-inclined independent voters will interpret that as mercenary behavior and the opposite of what “true patriotism” really means….subscribing to the old American historical quote “My country, right or wrong”.

  17. Media bias be it liberal or conservitive is paper thin these days. Who really wants to listen to a fence sitting person that simply reports the facts? Nobody thats who. Liberals watch Fox and get all fired up and they love it. Conservitives watch ABC and get all fired up and they love it. If it were to stop where would we be? What would we talk about? How can we feel part of something bigger than what we are. Chris Matthews is simply Chris Matthews and the more people he pisses off while walking the tight rope only makes him more famous.
    Chris Matthews brings you all together and without him you would have to find a replacement other wise you wouldn’t matter at all. You should thank him

  18. Thanks for a laugh, Jay. ‘Cause you know, media pundits are the very last remnants of of inequity in our society. I haven’t got the slightest clue what I would write about without Chris Matthews. Other than, you know, the stuff that I write about virtually every other day that has absolutely nothing to do with media pundits.

  19. “You love your country — it’s called patriotism. It’s love of fatherland, of country.”

    Fatherland? WTF?

  20. I’m kind of confused… I don’t really see most of these comments as racist.
    -Matthews was really just making a distinction between the different voting blocs.
    -The op-ed piece is making kind of a leap with the “elite” usage. It might be related to a word that is related to a word used to talk about “uppity” African-Americans, but Democrats in general have a history of being labeled elitist- Al Gore, John Kerry, etc.

    I’m the first to call out racism, especially as presented in the media, but I think we’re starting to get too sensitive and actually looking for it. You’re always going to find something if you are looking for it.

    We need to distinguish between sexist and racist actions/words and sexists and racists. There is also an important distinction between intent and how something comes across.

    But my head hurts now… I shall go lie down…

  21. I think Obama is arrogant (elitist doesn’t really mean anything to me). But I also think Bush, McCain, Clinton, Kerry and Gore are arrogant. There is a certain level of arrogance that is required to become a politician, and I don’t see Obama as having any more of that than necessary.

    However, I did find his remarks about clinging to guns offensive. Not enough to vote for McCain or to campaign against Obama, but still offensive. Matthews of course, did not address any of the real issues, instead making blanket (racist) statements.

    My issue with the comments come from being a Southerner, a group that is constantly discriminated against by both the media and by progressives. His comments reflective what the general Democratic party thinks of the rural population of all colors. They come off as condescending and patriarchal , saying I know what is best for you, and my policies will help you the most. When people ignore their advise and vote Republican, they seem shocked and assume that the population is “too stupid” to know what’s best for them. Gore came off as very arrogant when running against Bush, although as time told, Bush was far more arrogant. The republicans understand this and have taken advantage of it. I think the Democratic party needs to respect the pride and beliefs of the rural people, and better understand why they think they are voting in their best interest. By dismissing it to guns or religion, they are failing to understand their own shortcomings. I think what is most offensive of Obama’s comment, is that most people in the Democratic party actually agree with that statement, and that it wasn’t offensive to many.
    And obviously the media just ignored any of the actual issues, and used it as a republican talking point. As expected.

  22. Just b/c you don’t see them as racist, Sally, does not mean that they are not racist. It does not mean we are “looking for it”.

    I am so tired of being slapped across the face with this crap and then ppl tell me I am “looking for it”. There comes a point where your intent doesn’t matter for much when you keeping making the same “mistake”

  23. One particular piece in the extract from the LA Times op-ed struck me as strange:

    I’ve met black men who, when stopped by white cops at night, think the best protection is to act dumb and deferential.

    Everyone I know think that’s the best protection when stopped by the cops, day or night, any color police officers, male or female.

  24. Matthews got that line–the hard-working white people line–directly from Hillary Clinton.

  25. You don’t thank people for giving you stuff. It’s like loving your parents. You don’t thank them for giving you a nice school and education. You thank them because they’re your parents. They’re your parents.

    In addition to the excellent analysis above, I just want to add that this part boggles me as much as anything else. I love my parents no matter what, but I also thank them for helping me have the opportunity to get the education I did. I don’t think “oh I don’t need to thank them for their help; they’re just my parents!” So not only is Chris Matthews a misogynist and a racist, but he’s also a douchehound who takes his parents for granted.

  26. -The op-ed piece is making kind of a leap with the “elite” usage. It might be related to a word that is related to a word used to talk about “uppity” African-Americans, but Democrats in general have a history of being labeled elitist- Al Gore, John Kerry, etc.

    Very good. I mentioned that and argued that it’s a very different context. No one was constantly bringing up Gore and Kerry’s race at the same time as calling them elitist like a broken record. By the way, it’s one of my biggest pet peeves in the entire universe to make arguments I’ve already addressed, as though I didn’t even consider them. If you disagree with my analysis of that argument, then that’s fine, you can argue why you don’t think it’s any different. You didn’t do that, and it makes me extremely testy (especially when coming from a person whose comment is otherwise not displaying any good faith in the interest of a real discussion).

    We need to distinguish between sexist and racist actions/words and sexists and racists. There is also an important distinction between intent and how something comes across.

    Hasn’t this argument been addressed about 50 thousand times on this very site? And in any case, I made the specific argument that Matthews does have racist intent. Again, if you disagree with that, you can argue why you think I’m wrong about his intent. Didn’t do that either.

    Everyone I know think that’s the best protection when stopped by the cops, day or night, any color police officers, male or female.

    Hobbes, I agree that it actually is the best protection to act deferential to police officers. I disagree that this is a popularly held view by people of all races and genders. I’ve talked to many (straight, masculine) white men who have gotten into arguments with police officers over tickets and such. In most cases, it didn’t help them a damn bit and may have actually hurt. But at no point did they fear arrest, a body search, a search of their car, etc.

    Kay, I agree that Clinton — unfortunately, infuriatingly, and as has been widely discussed — used similar language. I’d actually argue though that she got it from the pundits who used it first, to nothing but their glee, because it meant they had a lot less scrutiny themselves in using it themselves. No Clinton, didn’t help the elitist talk at all and (as is discussed in the op-ed) actively promoted it. But this behavior is still only the fault of Chris Matthews.

  27. Sally, the “elitist = uppity” meme is something that can be illustrated well in my own family. My dad, having read that ridiculous article (was it by Karl Rove?) that uncovers the strange fact that Barack Obama eats arugula!!!11!, has decided that even though he voted for Clinton in the primary will not vote for Obama in the election. Something about this arugula article really tickled my father who, as a born-and-raised in the Jim Crow era Southerner, knew that black people just don’t eat arugula — other greens, sure, but not arugula. I spent a long time going around and around with him about the new food market in the age of Whole Foods and Food Network and local farmer’s market, how all kinds of unusual and hard-to-find foods are now a part of many people’s daily diets, even explaining that I grow (a very nice and tasty batch, thankyouverymuch, of) arugula in my own garden, not to mention that my chef husband served my father an arugula salad later that very week, but he wouldn’t have it. Obama is an elitist.

    The racist dogwhistle hidden in the “arugula is elitist” campaign isn’t about whether rich people eat cobb salad with ranch dressing or arugula salad at the country club, as it was with Kerry, Edwards and Gore, it’s that by virtue of being black, Obama doesn’t belong at the country club in the first place. It’s racist because it’s designed to appeal to racist sentiment.

  28. Another layer of the “certain foods are elitist/uppity” meme: Chef works in a local French/International restaurant with a good reputation for nice atmosphere and kickass steak. Evan Bayh brought a cadre of Clinton supporters through the restaurant right before the Indiana primary to stir up support (the waiter turned around and sent the tip, paid for by the Clinton campaign, directly to Obama). When Obama came through town, he and his family had a take-out order delivered to their hotel room. When these two facts were brought up to my dad, it was nothing at all that the Clinton folks had come by, but Obama eating French cooking was suspect.

    All this to say that not only are these racist dogwhistles, they also are designed to increase suspicion about the candidate’s loyalties and inclinations and further draw attention away from the things that matter, like campaign platforms and policy proposals. The more this side commentary is pushed by the talking heads the more likely the election season is going to boil down to, again, who the public would like to have a beer (or arugula salad, or $400 haircut) with.

  29. Actually, Obama’s sexism and racism are of far greater concern than his elitism.

    I confess I am more amazed by the unending hypocrisy of Matthews who castigated voters of WV and KY as uneducated and illiterate because they voted for Hillary. Matthews has made his own leap from “elitism” into the land of “blue-eyed Aryanism”. He’s a very damaging and repulsive man.

  30. My issue with the comments come from being a Southerner, a group that is constantly discriminated against by both the media and by progressives. His comments reflective what the general Democratic party thinks of the rural population of all colors. They come off as condescending and patriarchal , saying I know what is best for you, and my policies will help you the most.

    Which examples of this discrimination against Southern and rural voters are those that you speak of? Please provide specific examples.

    I find this interesting as while the Republicans are good at pretending to be the good old boys who embody rural and southern values, they are, in practice, not that much different. They’re just better at hiding it from public view as those statements are often made at private meetings and dinners with family and close friends and acquaintances…..some wealthy GOP members* actually regard the rural working-class Republicans as little more than gullible fools who are able to be manipulated to vote for them…even when their policies are contrary to the interests of these voters.

    Also, while the “guns” remark was made in such a way as to be offensive to many rural and southern voters, that assessment…while politically incorrect seems right on the mark judging from what many working class southern and midwestern classmates and co-workers told me….and from my own experiences attending college in the rural midwest.

    In fact, this dynamic was one of the reasons why the town-gown relations between the small private liberal arts college I attended on a near full scholarship and the town residents was horrid when I was there. With the closure of many industries in the area, the county in which my college was located was one of the poorest in Northeast Ohio.

    Being that my college was the largest and effectively the only major employer in that county, there was deep resentment from the town residents due to the college’s economic clout and the socio-economic privilege and radical-left progressive political leanings of most of its students…many of whom came from both coasts and Chicago. This resentment, however, was mutual as we students were subjected to many racist, homophobic, sexist, or some combination thereof harassment and occasional attacks from the mostly White and much more conservative town residents and those from the county leading. Heck, as a Chinese-American I witnessed and experienced such harassment myself from the town/county residents.

    In short, the town/county residents saw us as privileged elitist radical-left pinko-commie homosexuals fomenting revolution while many of us students saw them as reactionary closed-minded racist sexist homophobic bigots with occasional violent tendencies. I don’t know if things have changed since I graduated…but if not, I would not be surprised to find that 7 years of W combined with this election has only made the bitter divisions between the county/town residents and the college students even more stark.

    * Including some older distant relatives of mine.

  31. All this to say that not only are these racist dogwhistles, they also are designed to increase suspicion about the candidate’s loyalties and inclinations and further draw attention away from the things that matter, like campaign platforms and policy proposals.

    Lauren,

    I would also add that there is a large element of fear as these dogwhistles and attacks against supposed “elitists” on both coasts are meant to coercively divert the national conversation away from shining a glaring light on the actual problems many working-class southern and rural White voters face as it would be an open admission that they may not as “good”, “wholesome”, “independent”, or as “middle-class” as their favored self-portrait would have it…especially when their attitudes against those different from themselves become manifest.

  32. It’s kind of amazing to me that Republican policies have probably hurt rural and working-class white voters more than any other groups, and yet they continue to insist that they won’t vote for Democrats because they don’t get the proper respect.

    Republicans sent your kids over to Iraq to die or be seriously injured (what, you thought that middle- and upper-class kids are there, too? Not even close.). They tanked the economy so that house you were finally able to afford is suddenly beyond your reach and you’re trying to figure out how to pay your ever-increasing adjustable-rate mortgage. The pickup truck you depend on for work is now costing you $200 a week just to fill the tank.

    And yet the problem is that Democrats don’t give you enough respect.

  33. Some people are being slapped in the face and they don’t even know it. It is not just about being black or white. It is also about economics and social stratification. Like Tim said, “divide and conquer.” “We were taught to be white.” The concept of whiteness didn’t exist until after America was discovered. In reality, “America” was taken from the American Indian people. Take a look at some of the videos Tim can be seen on. Some of these videos have been put on Youtube. Tim, thank you for the insights you continue to provide.

  34. Republicans sent your kids over to Iraq to die or be seriously injured (what, you thought that middle- and upper-class kids are there, too? Not even close.).

    Mnemosyne,

    And the few middle class kids like some older cousins of mine tend to go as commissioned officers after going through ROTC or other commissioning programs for undergrads/college graduates. In many of those types of communities…the mentality was that if you must go into the service, one must go as an officer or the community will feel either the person was woefully deficient…or the individual was nuts to want to “wasting his/her life” in the ranks.

    Even so, there was a strong snob factor against even joining as a commissioned officer….something I even found at my public urban magnet high school where most of the students were pining to get into an Ivy/Ivy-level college so they could gain entry into lucrative professions as doctors, engineers, investment bankers, lawyers, IT specialists, various types of corporate management, etc. As far as I can recall, only a tiny handful of people in my graduating class joined the military within 8 years of graduation….and most joined as commissioned officers.

  35. What is up with the college-educated bashing lately!? I, for one, want my president to have gained a good education at a prestigious school. If not for undergrad, graduate school.

    Besides, I thought we were supposed to be going out and getting degrees. Now all of a sudden, that makes people “elitist”?

    And … going to college does not mean you are rich. Going to an expensive school does not mean you are rich. For many, that may be the case, but I and many others have applied for scholarships, taken out student loans and applied for financial aid to get to where we are, and that in no way means that we should be scorned for coming from poor neighborhoods or bad highschools and then going to good colleges and universities.

    What is Matthews trying to do here? And where do Republicans get off making people feel bad for being poor, then feel bad for getting an education, then feel bad for trying to help out other people? WTF.

  36. What is up with the college-educated bashing lately!? I, for one, want my president to have gained a good education at a prestigious school. If not for undergrad, graduate school.

    While I agree with your distaste for bashing of Obama and other democratic candidates due to their elite educational pedigree….I believed Clinton and now Obama are better candidates than McCain* because they offer better policies and messages for helping our society….the elite educational pedigree is a bonus….not a requirement.

    To make it a requirement, much less an important one would not only limit opportunities for the Presidency to a select few….but is reminiscent of the undemocratic idea of the Platoian “Philosopher King” ruling over everyone else.

    Moreover, while having an educational pedigree does allow for a greater possibility of a candidate being qualified and competent for office….that may not always be the case. As someone who was also from a working-class background who attended a decently reputed small private liberal arts college on a near-full scholarship, I saw plenty of mediocre minds and incompetant idiots who somehow made it through the admissions process…especially those who got in by virtue of legacy admissions.** Every high school classmate who attended an Ivy/Ivy-level school….even ones as august as HYP have confirmed this from their own experiences attending and/or TAing courses there.

    If you want more examples of how choosing political leaders on the basis of educational pedigrees is problematic…one only needs to look at the politics in European and East Asian countries like Britain, France, Japan or Taiwan where most of the Prime Ministers and prominent politicians went to their respective nation’s elite universities…with some attending topflight American and European institutions for grad school. As someone who has relatives/friends in those areas and who studied them academically for years….the level of competence among those politicians is probably not any better….and in some cases, arguably worse.

    * McCain could arguably be considered a beneficiary of legacy admissions to the elite USNA since his father and grandfather not only were graduates…but top navy admirals.

    **In fact, our current highly esteemed president benefited twice from such policies (Yale BA, Harvard MBA).

  37. Having lived in Chicago in the late 1990’s (and still doing so today), it’s amusing to see that question since in 2000 against Bobby Rush, Barack Obama was seen as appealing to people with college or advanced degrees but not African-Americans. In that contest, against that opponent, Obama seemed to have a hard time fighting off charges of elitism; according to Chicago media coverage at the time “Harvard-trained lawyer” was Obama’s official title (much like “former Black Panther member” was Rush’s). Should be interesting to see what Obama learned in that race to fight off elitism charges here.

    Calderone, I was in Bobby Rush’s ward when Obama ran against him for a House seat. I was very impressed with the new-to-the-scene Obama and eagerly voted for him, but I knew he was going to have a tough time winning over many of the black constituents not only because of the elitism issue (“Is he really one of us”), but because of the dogged colorism in some black communities. I remember reading a quote from an older black man in the Tribune (or Sun-Times; can’t remember) saying that he just didn’t trust “light-skinned people.” After reading that, I was not surprised when Obama eventually lost, which, in the end, was a good thing, because he went on to win his historic senate seat.

    I often wonder whether they elderly man is now singing Obama’s praises, despite his “light-skinnedness.”

  38. correction: previous post should read: “I wonder whether THAT elderly man is now singing Obama’s praises, despite Obama’s “light-skinnedness.”

  39. I thought the whole point of electing someone to be our leader was to choose someone, hopefully, more educated than ourselves. I want my president to have a better education that I do.

    Thank you. I too don’t want the average Joe making decisions that factor into my livelihood. Gov’t elections shouldn’t be taken as popularity contests.

  40. especially when coming from a person whose comment is otherwise not displaying any good faith in the interest of a real discussion)

    Cara, I assure you I have no problem with opening up a real discussion, but I actually was quite tired and had a crazy headache.

    I guess my deal with looking for intent, which is what most responses to me have mentioned, also has to do with the fact that people keep saying that Matthews is sexist and racist, but the examples they give me actually are not in the entire context.

    Trust me, I’ve been looking for a reason to not watch his show, but mostly b/c his voice is irritating. I’ve asked before (I think on this blog and on others) if there is a place I can go to read all of these comments within their context so that I can really point to it and say “ahhhh, see that’s it.” I’ve yet to see one though, which is why I keep challenging it.

    But even Matthews himself aside,

    I am so tired of being slapped across the face with this crap and then ppl tell me I am “looking for it”. There comes a point where your intent doesn’t matter for much when you keeping making the same “mistake”

    Shouldn’t we MAKE it a point to look at intent, especially when it’s people who keep making the same mistake? What I mean is, people (mostly white men) of a certain age/generation grew up making blanket statements that are now seen as completely wrong. This doesn’t mean that their behavior shouldn’t be acknowledged, challenged, and insisted on being corrected, but what it means is that you have to think about the angle. Obviously at this point some (certainly not all, again, I welcome all evidence of Matthews being racist/sexist here) of the people who speak this way are not actually racist or sexist, but they don’t realize that what they say/do makes them seem that way. That’s why we need to look for intent. We need to make them understand that as supporters of women and minorities, their language makes a difference. That is the only way to make them see the actual change they need to make. They can’t open up their minds if they don’t understand how it’s currently closed.

  41. Exhold,

    To clarify, I did not mean that I wanted to see all my political leaders come out of Ivy-League schools. I meant to differentiate from community colleges and colleges without accreditation. In other words, I wouldn’t be so sure of a president if he or she got the degree over the Internet. Ivy league schools have a lot of notoriety, but I don’t necessarily agree that they’re the best of the best, nor that they produce the best of the best. You’re right, there are a lot of legacy learners there, which doesn’t impress me. I would be more impressed by schools known for accepting only excellent students, not just those whose parents went to the same school, or who have a lot of money.

    I also don’t think having an education should be a requirement, but I do think it is something voters should consider when electing a president.

    Bush, for example, went to Yale and Harvard but was a C-average student and later drove several businesses into the ground. While those two facts say nothing about his intelligence, they do say a lot about his ability to handle a company, his dedication and hard work, motivation and drive.

    On the other hand, Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard. When I hear that, I think that this is a man who is passionate and dedicated and isn’t going to let hard work get him down. It’s hard to maintain a high GPA, so I feel more impressed by his achievements and convinced he’ll carry the same passion into the presidency.

    Either way, I do think having an education is important, so I was really just irked that people think it’s okay to bash people who go and get one by calling them elitist. Whether you’re rich or poor, having an education is admirable. While money can get you into school, it can’t give you an education.

  42. Trust me, I’ve been looking for a reason to not watch his show, but mostly b/c his voice is irritating. I’ve asked before (I think on this blog and on others) if there is a place I can go to read all of these comments within their context so that I can really point to it and say “ahhhh, see that’s it.” I’ve yet to see one though, which is why I keep challenging it.

    How much context would you like? All of the links to all of the quotes I provided come from Media Matters. They always provide full context, presenting the entire conversation from beginning to end.

    Shouldn’t we MAKE it a point to look at intent, especially when it’s people who keep making the same mistake? What I mean is, people (mostly white men) of a certain age/generation grew up making blanket statements that are now seen as completely wrong. This doesn’t mean that their behavior shouldn’t be acknowledged, challenged, and insisted on being corrected, but what it means is that you have to think about the angle. Obviously at this point some (certainly not all, again, I welcome all evidence of Matthews being racist/sexist here) of the people who speak this way are not actually racist or sexist, but they don’t realize that what they say/do makes them seem that way. That’s why we need to look for intent. We need to make them understand that as supporters of women and minorities, their language makes a difference. That is the only way to make them see the actual change they need to make. They can’t open up their minds if they don’t understand how it’s currently closed.

    No.

    If we make it a matter of intent, how are they supposed to understand that what they’re saying is wrong? This is the current defense for EVERYTHING. “I didn’t mean it that way.” Kids who wear blackface say “I’m not racist, I didn’t mean it that way.” Same with the confederate flag, nooses, you name it. So long as we keep giving them the “I didn’t mean it” excuse, NOTHING is going to change. Because “I didn’t mean it that way” is seen as the end of the conversation.

    Also, I would argue that if you think it’s okay to make blanket statements about, for example, black people as a whole group, or women as a whole group, you are indeed racist/sexist. It may be the case that you don’t understand that it’s wrong to lump all people into one group, but if it’s what you do, it’s still a prejudice. Whether you intend it or not.

  43. How much context would you like? All of the links to all of the quotes I provided come from Media Matters. They always provide full context, presenting the entire conversation from beginning to end.

    And in the context, I don’t see how most of those statements are racist. For example, when he made the comment a while back about Obama playing basketball, the only reason anybody was talking about that was because of his abysmal bowling and his talking about playing basketball throughout his campaign.

    Also, I would argue that if you think it’s okay to make blanket statements about, for example, black people as a whole group, or women as a whole group, you are indeed racist/sexist. It may be the case that you don’t understand that it’s wrong to lump all people into one group, but if it’s what you do, it’s still a prejudice. Whether you intend it or not.

    Actually, blanket statements about groups isn’t sexist or racist. We rely on schemas for everything (situations, people, places, social roles, etc.) to make generalizations every moment in our lives. Social psychologists argue that intent IS important (whether conscious or subconscious). Explaining to people what is behind their words/acts when the intent is not present is important to make them question their behavior, which is the only way to prompt anybody like that to eventually change their behavior. It’s a slow process, but it is effective.

    You should check out Why So Slow by Virginia Valian for more info about schemas, stereotypes, racism and sexism. While schemas do not need a negative motivation, but racism and sexism does.

  44. Sally, you’re seriously unaware how this

    “[T]his gets very ethnic, but the fact that he’s good at basketball doesn’t surprise anybody,”

    is racist?

    Perhaps there should be some research done on stereotypes about African-Americans…like “these are racist stereotypes 101” or something.

    We all know Obama is half African. We can see it…So what’s the point of bringing up how “very ethnic” this gets…in relation to a sport? Here’s a convenient wiki about it

  45. Bush, for example, went to Yale and Harvard but was a C-average student and later drove several businesses into the ground. While those two facts say nothing about his intelligence, they do say a lot about his ability to handle a company, his dedication and hard work, motivation and drive.

    Several of our arguably greatest Presidents never had a college education or were mediocre performers while in higher ed. For instance, George Washington , Abraham Lincoln, and Harry Truman never went to college. Though FDR did attend Harvard College, he also graduated with a similar mediocre academic record…and like Bush…managed to get into Columbia Law most probably due in part to his family wealth and connections. Yet, they are all remembered as some of the better presidents we’ve had in our history.

    Either way, I do think having an education is important, so I was really just irked that people think it’s okay to bash people who go and get one by calling them elitist. Whether you’re rich or poor, having an education is admirable. While money can get you into school, it can’t give you an education.

    Though I agree with most of this, so long as a candidate does not bash higher ed and those who are educated through its institutions, I am not going to hold his/her lack of a college education against him/her.

    If the person did attend college/university, I am only going to be looking to see if s(he) took maximum opportunities and examine that in the larger context of the candidate’s subsequent accomplishments.

    If the candidate was a c- student, yet had substantial subsequent accomplishments in his/her life, I am willing to overlook that blot of mediocrity. On the other hand, if a candidate had few major accomplishments beyond merely graduating from college…even with a 4.0+ GPA, that’s just a sign that the candidate does not have the accomplishments and demonstrated ability necessary for higher public office.

    On the other hand, Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard. When I hear that, I think that this is a man who is passionate and dedicated and isn’t going to let hard work get him down. It’s hard to maintain a high GPA, so I feel more impressed by his achievements and convinced he’ll carry the same passion into the presidency.

    Depending on which institution, the ease/difficulty of maintaining a high GPA is highly variable depending on educational institution and even which schools/majors within a particular university. For instance, I’ve heard from too many friends who attended/TAed at MIT and UChicago that graduating with a 3.0+ GPA is a great accomplishment there because the grading is so tough that most students graduate with C-level averages.

    On the other hand, the high school classmates who attended and graduated from Harvard College as undergrads all said maintaining high GPAs and getting honors is so easy, especially if one is not a science major that many Harvard undergrads regard it almost as a joke. This was underscored by several news reports citing Harvard College’s grade inflation problem which was confirmed by those very classmates.

    Obama’s accomplishments ARE impressive not because he graduated from Harvard with high honors, but because he graduated from Harvard Law School with high honors where competition for honors is extremely fierce in comparison to Harvard College from what I’ve heard from friends who attended both institutions.

  46. Perhaps there should be some research done on stereotypes about African-Americans…like “these are racist stereotypes 101″ or something.

    I see why it is a stereotype, but that doesn’t make him racist for saying it. It isn’t even the same thing as if we had never heard of Obama playing basketball ever, and then Matthews says something like “oh he’s horrible at bowling, but I’m sure he plays a mean game a basketball.” Even that would be a better example of how he might be racist. But the basketball thing was already out there, so him linking it to a stereotype doesn’t mean he is a racist.

    I’m not saying that Matthews is not a racist or sexist. What I’m saying is that people keep saying that he is racist and sexist while taking many of his comments out of context (no way to examine anything), relying solely on the past (people change), or just not having any real examples.

    It is one thing to say that something somebody says or does is racist or sexist, but it is another thing to then say that person IS a racist or sexist. It is a slight, but important, difference. Everyone says or does rac/sexist things all the time, whether they notice it or not and whether they admit it or not– even feminists and civil and human rights supporters. Nobody is immune to it. But to then say that all of those people are not actively working on that is incorrect. To say that they are the things they hate is unfair. I am simply saying there needs to be a critical eye for every situation on a case-by-case basis, or else we all live in a world where we point fingers and never truly examine ourselves or each other.

  47. Sally, reading your comments I don’t even know where to begin arguing with a world view that is so vastly different form my own. Purposely employing a stereotype isn’t prejudiced? Well in that case, I really don’t see how we’re ever going to agree on much of anything with regards to this conversation. Up above, we’re looking at a quote where Matthews explicitly refers to black people as not “regular” people, and has by the way repeated that comment on numerous occasions, and we’re still arguing over whether or not the dude is suffering from racist attitudes? Clearly, we’re not going to get anywhere.

    So the last thing I’d like to say is this: If Chris Matthews honestly has no idea that what he’s doing is buying into racism (or sexism in other instances, etc.) and exploiting it, he has to be the world’s shittiest political analyst. It’s his job to understand how language is used in politics. If he can’t figure out what the hell he’s saying, how the hell is he supposed to listen to candidates and dissect the cues that politicians are sending through speech? There’s a hell of a lot more to this job than saying “I agree/disagree!” It’s “who was so-and-so talking to? What is the message that he wants them to take away? Was this phrase a reference to such-and-such? How will X demographic perceive it? Is he being condescending? Patronizing voters and telling them what they want to hear? In the context of the debate last week, these comments are definitely designed to . . .”

    So. Either Chris Matthews is vastly stupid, has no concept of the power/use of language in politics and therefore cannot do his job. Or, Chris Matthews, as I argued, knows exactly what he’s doing, can do his job rather well, and is simply using it to his own benefit, knowing that stoking fear and hatred makes money and not giving a damn who he harms in the process.

    As I said, I think it’s the latter. But if you want to go with the former, fine (though I hardly expect it). Either way, the man should be off the air. But personally, I think that suggesting a man who has made his career off of politics has no idea about the way that racially-charged language is used in politics is rather insulting to him. And I definitely never expected to tell someone that they were overly-insulting Chris Matthews.

  48. veryone says or does rac/sexist things all the time, whether they notice it or not and whether they admit it or not

    …O rly?

    Also, uh, do you really want to be bringing up the “Everyone does it!” tired old horse here?

  49. Cara (and others), I understand what you’re saying because it is exactly the way I used to think. Of course, I have an incredibly bad habit of always wanting to find out the ins and outs and “whys” of everything. Once I forced myself to start looking for that, that’s how I found all of the literature on schemas, stereotypes, etc. That’s why I suggested the book because it covers enough of the basic info and applies it to the real world without getting into all the scientific details.

    Perhaps now it has caused me to be too careful when analyzing situations, but that is why I am trying to do just that. Because some things really do need to be analyzed. The times that I have seen Matthews-mostly during primary nights-he has played devil’s advocate more than anything else (going back and forth between positions in the same show even to get the guests to talk about it from different angles). That’s why I stressed the importance of many examples in their contexts.

    And HK, really? You DON’T think that everyone does or says racist or sexist things without realizing it? If that’s the case, then I suggest you really evaluate yourself and the people around you. You’ll find that once you really pay attention, you’ll find a lot of things to start thinking critically about. Did you miss Bitch Ph.D.’s Playing Cards post? I certainly didn’t mean it makes everything excusable, so if that’s what I led everyone to believe, sorry about that!! It doesn’t make a damn thing more “right,” it simply reinforces the fact that everyone needs to evaluate themselves on a regular basis for anything to ever change. I grow every day, don’t you?

  50. Everyone says or does rac/sexist things all the time

    I’m sure you do, dear. But the rest of us don’t necessarily follow your lead. I’m pretty good about making mindful choices about my statements and behaviors–I recommend that strategy to you as well! It’s fun! It’s surprisingly easy! And it’s the right thing to do!

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