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Time for another poorly-thought-out pregnancy-scare health article!

Because God forbid a pregnant woman enjoy an adult pleasure every now and again without someone trying to shame her into giving them all up in the name of the holy baby.

Too much caffeine during pregnancy may increase the risk of miscarriage, a new study says, and the authors suggest that pregnant women may want to reduce their intake or cut it out entirely.

Translation: a poorly-designed study riddled with major methodological problems focusing on women who’ve already miscarried comes to the unsupported conclusion that *the* deciding factor might could possibly have been caffeine, so no more coffee for you, Walking Womb. Don’t complain, either, because we know it’s not so bad:

Pregnant women should try to give up caffeine for at least the first three or four months, said the lead author of the study, Dr. De-Kun Li, a reproductive and perinatal epidemiologist at the Kaiser Permanente Division of Research in Oakland, Calif.

“If, for whatever reason, they really can’t do it, think of cutting to one cup or switching to decaf,” Dr. Li said. “Stopping caffeine really doesn’t have any downside.”

Um, yeah.

Listen, I know a little bit about quitting caffeine, as I’m in the process of doing it right now. There are indeed downsides, starting with the miserable headache I had for two days running, followed by a low-level headache that has lasted for another three days. I see little point of doing it if you’ve pretty much missed the window during which it might possibly make a difference before you even realize that you’re pregnant. It’s a lot of stress, what with caffeine being an addictive substance. And in the end, it’s a tossup as to whether the stress or the addiction itself worse for you, especially if you’re only doing it for a short period of time and only because someone’s told you to do it for the health of your fetus.

Except for the fact that that someone has made this recommendation because they found a little correlation in one questionably-designed study, have not measured what amounts of caffeine might possibly have an effect, if any, and have decided anyway that because you are a uterus on legs, that you cannot be trusted with anything less than total abstinence, regardless of how you feel about the matter.

It’s the same story with any number of other bits of food and drink, such as alcohol, raw fish, soft cheeses and the like. You know, the kind of things that pregnant women have been enjoying for centuries without necessarily turning out mutant babies.

The message given to pregnant women nowadays, though, seems to be that they’re mere children themselves, so they can’t partake of adult pleasures, and while smoking, drinking to excess and taking hard drugs is pretty unquestionably bad for both the fetus *and* the mother, nobody knows how much is dangerous, how much is safe, and so on. So the recommendations seem to be that the pregnant woman has to quit absolutely everything that she may enjoy, and that she can’t be trusted to have any of this stuff in moderation. And god forbid she might decide to partake in public; women’s bodies are public property already, but a visibly pregnant woman really gets it bad. Bartenders and waiters may refuse to serve her alcohol or sushi, strangers may decide they know what’s best for her (and they’ll be sure to tell her).

In the end, though, all of this abstinence may not make a difference, at least when it comes to preventing miscarriage:

Dr. Carolyn Westhoff, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology, and epidemiology, at Columbia University Medical Center, had reservations about the study, noting that miscarriage is difficult to study or explain. Dr. Westhoff said most miscarriages resulted from chromosomal abnormalities, and there was no evidence that caffeine could cause those problems.

“Just interviewing women, over half of whom had already had their miscarriage, does not strike me as the best way to get at the real scientific question here,” she said. “But it is an excellent way to scare women.”

She said that smoking, chlamidial infections and increasing maternal age were stronger risk factors for miscarriage, and ones that women could do something about.

“Moderation in all things is still an excellent rule,” Dr. Westhoff said. “I think we tend to go overboard on saying expose your body to zero anything when pregnant. The human race wouldn’t have succeeded if the early pregnancy was so vulnerable to a little bit of anything. We’re more robust than that.”

Really, you’d wonder how we survived all these millenia if you listened to the pregnancy-scare people.

h/t Louise.


44 thoughts on Time for another poorly-thought-out pregnancy-scare health article!

  1. I’m always skeptical of diet advice–it’s so difficult to set up your study properly to avoid bias (self selection, behaviors that are linked, etc). My epidemiologist friends joke that they only believe diet studies when the same result has been published at least 5 times.

  2. Yeah, I love how a study whose conclusion was full of qualifiers and weasel words (May! Might! Possibly! Could!) got converted to Hard Undeniable Science the more it got passed around.

    It went from “a small study shows a possible link to X” to “omg, wimmin mustn’t drink caffeine!” in a matter of hours.

    I’m still saving most of my outrage for the way doctors very casually say “Well, we don’t know what causes miscarriage–it’s just a mystery,” and yet many HMOs won’t pay for tests to rule out the causal factors we already know about (which seems a little disingenuous, a little like saying you can’t find your keys when in fact, you haven’t looked for them), but I also loathe studies like this, which just seem to provide extra ammo to The Pregnancy Police.

  3. With my first child, I dutifully followed the no-alcohol rule and the no-caffeine-rule and the myriad of other no-this and no-that rules applied to pregnant women. I was supposed to follow all this things, and never complain about being tired or sick or lacking energy… because doing so would mean that I was a whiny pregnant girl and no one likes those. This whole thing left me feeling fairly guilty all the time as I never quite managed to always say no to that morning coffee… and when I had a glass of wine at 20 weeks in a fit of rebellion, I felt so guilty afterwards I had dreams of deformed babies for a week. And then a whole new and improved list of don’ts came around when nursing started.

    By the 2nd baby, I was a bit over it. This time, I drank coffee during my pregnancy. Not excessively, but within reasonable, moderate limits. I also asked my doctor, when my son was about 2 months old, would it be okay to have some wine? He looked at me like I was some horrible mother/alcoholic… and said, “you shouldn’t drink”. To which I replied, “yes, none of us should drink, but would it be CONTRAINDICATED to drink SOME wine while nursing?”

    Turns out it was not. But even so, he had advised me not to drink at all. I felt this to be a condescending… not giving me the facts I needed to make a sound decision myself, but instead altering the facts to make the decision for me with scare tactics/moral judgments.

    I have had four miscarriages. I have a child with a disability. I have certainly questioned how my own actions/inactions may or may not have played into these circumstances. But what really irks me is the false guilt thrown at mothers and why in the world this is considered medically sound.

  4. By the way… I had a friend who had worked with her doctor to maintain a very healthy pregnancy including determining exactly how much caffeine was within reasonable limits. She was refused service at a Starbucks on day by a barista who refused to serve a pregnant woman a caffeinated beverage. She was horribly embarrassed, as this was done in the morning rush hour with many witnesses.

  5. I swear, if I ever get pregnant, I’m just going to cut to the chase and challenge anybody who busts out with unsolicited baby advice to a duel.

  6. Can we please, please get away from the “we survived all these millennia” argument? As a logical point it ranks right up with “So there!”

    The actual study seems a lot more moderate and reasonable than the media spin, at least the version that appeared in my paper. The study’s authors appeared to be saying that caffeine over a certain amount is indeed *a* risk factor for miscarriage.

    Kat, your doctor can’t tell you that a certain level of alcohol is OK for your baby, given that it does go into your breast milk. No, a little isn’t going to kill your baby, but it isn’t KNOWN what an absolute safe dosage is, particularly as it varies from person to person. Yes, it would have been better for your doctor to lay it all out for you rather than saying “Don’t”, but not knowing how condescending your doctor is, he’s probably dealt with less-responsible patients for whom “some wine” means “lots”.

  7. It’s not the caffeine that bothers me so much as the amounts they’re talking about. Seriously, who drinks 5 bottles of Coke a day? 4 cups of coffee??

    Gimme a break…of course, I speak as someone probably giving my kid FAS because I occasionally eat a piece of cake (Black Russian Cake, Rum Cake, Vanilla Vodka Cake) or sauce pr soup (avocado gazpacho) with alcohol in it, the odd poached egg, and of course, chocolate. To which I say, yummm…

  8. Uh oh–watch out with the cake. When I was pregnant, I found that the “how dare they tell us not to drink a little glass of wine!” crowd on the mommy discussion boards tended to mill around nervously when the suggested drink was something less genteel (like liquor). 😉

    4 cups of coffee a day is normal for some people, particularly if you work nights.

  9. Seriously, who drinks 5 bottles of Coke a day?

    Keep in mind that a serving of Coke is a 12 ounce can and most servings that people buy are at least 20 ounces. It wouldn’t be all that difficult. Also, speaking as a Diet Coke addict, I know that I drink waaaay more than I should.

    No, a little isn’t going to kill your baby, but it isn’t KNOWN what an absolute safe dosage is, particularly as it varies from person to person.

    True, but if I recall correctly, there are no good studies about moderate consumption of alcohol. All of the data deals with extremely high levels of consumption, because doing a controlled study has ethical implications.

  10. goddamn. Some things that do cause either miscarriages or birth defects serious enough that they are incompatible with life:

    *enriched uranium (the things that enriched uranium children in in uturu is horrifying)
    *mercury (eg: significantly less than the amount of mercury found in the tuna that pregant women are given weekly WIC coupons for)
    *chemicals related to paper making
    *minimata disease (which is just advanced mercury poisoning)
    *exposure to deisel fumes
    *poor maternal nutrition
    *maternal lead exposure, or other heavy metal exposure
    *lack of access to prenatal care
    *being a victim of domestic violence

    So we give pregnant yuppies something new to obsess about and some new self-absorbed paralyzing guilt about how they aren’t good enough mothers. Meanwhile, the actual factors that actually lead to things that could harm your baby are things correllated with being poor, being a person of color, living in the developing world and living in a country that the US is at war with.

  11. annalouise puts it all in perspective – thank you.

    I also worry about what kind of power these sorts of studies could have if the anti-choicers have their way and every miscarriage becomes a potential murder investigation.

  12. “he’s probably dealt with less-responsible patients for whom “some wine” means “lots”.”

    Wouldn’t it be awesome if we actually had semi-standard serving portions for wine and beer where a doctor could say “One 5 oz. glass of wine/12 oz. bottle of beer every few days is not contraindicated”?

  13. Ugh.

    I drank coffee every day throughout my last pregnancy and I was probably more sane for it. 😛

    I also had the occasional glass of wine, and continue to do so while nursing.

    I think this culture’s Just Say No To Every Frikkin Thing Under Teh Sun mentality has gone just a leetle too far….

  14. It’s not the caffeine that bothers me so much as the amounts they’re talking about. Seriously, who drinks 5 bottles of Coke a day? 4 cups of coffee??

    About 3-4 years ago I read an article about a woman in Australia who asked her doctor if drinking Coke was okay while pregnant – doctor said fine. Child was born addicted to caffeine, and some health problems relating to it (can’t remember exactly) – it turns out she was drinking about 20 cans a day. Her thinking was “But the doctor said it’s okay! He shouldn’t have said that! It’s his fault!”

    So there are some weird people who go overboard and don’t have a clue.

  15. It’s not even 7am and I’m on my 4th + cup- but I also get my middleschooler up at 5am, make her breakfast and wait with her in the dark and cold (7 degrees today) for the 6:15am bus… been a coffee junkie since I was a teen.

    Limitted myself to one cup a DAY when pregnant- made up for it by eating 2 tubs (qt) of sherbet a week!

  16. When I was carrying my first child, the doctor absolutely forbade me from eating sushi (my favorite food). Nevermind that I was craving it like nothing else; it was Simply Not To Be Done, and I would be a Bad Mother to even consider it.

    The other doctor in the military clinic nodded her head when I showed her the stats from the CDC on how frequent sushi-borne illness wasn’t, and said I could of course have mackerel sushi like I craved. Then she wished me luck finding sushi in Shreveport that was up to my standards.

    I did. And it was deliciousssssss.

  17. This story is everywhere and it pisses mee off every time I hear it mentioned or see a link pop up in my news alerts.

    NPR’s coverage was so abysmal I’m writing an e mail today. Other stories had some meager effort at balance (as the Times did, way down after the TL;DR point), but NPR put the focus on the second half of the story on pointing out that caffeine amounts differ in various drinks! More pressure on women to not only reduce caffeine, but to also choose the RIGHT kind of drink if they’re going to selfishly indulge. THey provide an oh so helpful chart.

    They treated it as if it’s just a given that women should give up caffeine and can easily do so because the latest study says it MIGHT be harmful.

    I never realized how little evidence there is that caffeine is harmful. It’s like doctors are sure it must be and are just trying to find evidence to back that up, in the meantime not telling women that it’s just a theory.

  18. Mythago… I agree with you that excessive drinking is not a good thing in pregnancy/nursing and its hard to define where the line where social drinking becomes excessive… and some people never walk that line well. But my experience with my doctors regarding this was that it was less about determining what was an acceptable limit or determining if I was responsible enough to follow this limit…. and more about declaring that a “good mother” wouldn’t drink and certainly wouldn’t want to… and how shameful that I would even ask! I also found this to be the case for anything else… OTC drugs and caffeine to name a few.

    The second that stick turns blue, the desire to be a great mother is supposed to immediately overcome a lifetime of habits. I think it sometimes becomes an unattainable goal and many women give up trying.

  19. …I thought we already knew this. The women I know who are in public health / epidemiology have been giving up caffeine during pregnancy since – counting up my anecdotes, at least since the late eighties. Though epidemiologists are famously skittish. Here is the NIH’s take on the matter, which is: take deep breaths and calm down, a cup a day will not hurt anything.

    It’s interesting how our dialogue on pregnancy changes here depending on who’s trying to control it. If some right-wing blowhard is saying “I don’t see why women need birth control, after all, pregnancy is a natural state that they’ve been doing for millenia” the comments seem to swing rather “Pregnancy is dangerous! Sometimes deadly! Very very bad!”. If the mainstream media panic machine is saying “Pregnancy is TERRIFYING and pregnant ladies need to do exactly what we say!” the comments seem to swing “We’ve been doing this for millenia! What’s the big deal?”

    I mean, our basic point is “Hey, buddy, step off of trying to control our reproductive behavior for us,” which is a point of view I will never argue with. It’s just interesting how our kneejerk responses (I’ve got them too) tend to yaw wildly.

    I want to note here that living in Diet Coke isn’t good for anybody (and we all know or are people who drink eight or nine cans of Coke a day, pretty much instead of water – wait, is this a Southern thing? Well, okay, I know people who drink Diet Coke all day instead of water.). People who can’t give up bad habits for their own sake often do for their baby’s sake.

  20. Amen to THAT.

    Hubby and I saw this on the news last night and HE was the one to chime in and say, “geeze what is next? can’t do this, can’t do that….they’re getting ridiculous”

    I of course support him 100% in that assessment, for I am currently pregnant and the preggo police are everywhere.

    I remember with my last pregnancy I asked for the location of cooking sherry in the grocery store. The female clerk who I asked looked shocked and asked me to repeat what i was looking for….I told her COOKING SHERRY. She reluctantly directed me to the spot allthewhile giving me the disapproving eye. I guess I should have asked her where the frigging FISH counter was after that considering I was making a hong-kong style sauce for the HALLIBUT I was cooking that night. Then again she may just have had me escorted away to a fetal-safe-house.

    I hate the pregnancy police.

    This time I am doing whatever I damn well please. If I want tuna, dammit I’m going to eat it and have it on white bread with a salty garlic dill on the side. If I want a soda I am going to have one – caffeine and all. If I want a few sips of my husband’s wine or even GOD FORBID a glass of red wine with dinner once in awhile – I am going to have it. Everything in moderation.

    I am sick to death of stories like this. Being pregnant is hard enough. Having the public scrutinize your choices and judge you for them is an unwanted and unneeded burden.

    God forbid women get some pleasure during pregnancy.

  21. It’s interesting how our dialogue on pregnancy changes here depending on who’s trying to control it. If some right-wing blowhard is saying “I don’t see why women need birth control, after all, pregnancy is a natural state that they’ve been doing for millenia” the comments seem to swing rather “Pregnancy is dangerous! Sometimes deadly! Very very bad!”. If the mainstream media panic machine is saying “Pregnancy is TERRIFYING and pregnant ladies need to do exactly what we say!” the comments seem to swing “We’ve been doing this for millenia! What’s the big deal?”

    It’s only interesting if you ignore the difference between the pregnant woman and the fetus.

    Pregnancy is dangerous for the mother, even under the best of circumstances, and she should be able to choose whether or not she becomes pregnant or continues a pregnancy. At the same time, there are a lot of people who will attempt to control her actions during pregnancy based on incomplete evidence or mere supposition that what she ingests or does will harm the fetus. Given that there is little evidence that any of these things cause harm if not taken to excess, why should the mother be forbidden entirely from continuing to enjoy things she enjoys just because she’s pregnant?

  22. “At the same time, there are a lot of people who will attempt to control her actions during pregnancy based on incomplete evidence or mere supposition that what she ingests or does will harm the fetus.”

    And said people really could give less of a damn if she goes back to drinking and smoking herself to death while eating contaminated food as soon as it will only hurt her. In both cases, the groups applying the pressure don’t care about the woman herself, just her uterus and its contents.

  23. Wait? Soft cheese? No one told me to avoid that when I was pregnant. Avoiding sushi was big news then. I always wondered how the Japanese managed to turn out kids just fine but no one giving that “good” advice had a reasonable answer to that. Now it turns out the French should have been turning out mutant babies, too, huh? Considering that I’ve seen women who smoked a pack a day turn out kids with no apparent health problems (not even teh asthma!), and one assumes that in parts of the world where the wine is better than the water there is no higher incidence of mutant babies, I’m fairly sure that one’s “vices” or other pleasurable experiences can be indulged in moderation whilst pregnant – especially since a surprising number of us don’t figure out that we ARE pregnant for a couple of months or more.

    My response to people who gave me advice or touched me without permission was to do the same thing. It’s surprising how shocked they are when you pat their bellies or tell them that they might want to consider eating more vegetables and fruit instead of that lasagna. And if they start telling birth stories out of the blue, start talking about what your regular periods look like. Should be fine, cuz we’re all intimate friends, right? Yeah, I was sort of bitchy when I was pregnant. One of the many reasons I stopped breeding.

  24. In both cases, the groups applying the pressure don’t care about the woman herself, just her uterus and its contents.

    I disagree in that they care about punishing the woman for the audacity of showing evidence that she is sexual. If they truly cared about the fetus they would be just as adamant about all the things others have pointed out that are truly dangerous for the developing fetus: poisons in our water, air and food. But I don’t see any of these groups fighting big business and their pollution.

  25. Reba, that was a new one on me too. Lunch meat and soft cheeses… those are off limits now evidently. Someone on another thread about this topic made a comment about how rebellious she was to eat a Greek salad, and that completely went over my head… because its a salad for pete’s sake, how bad can that be? But I guess no feta anymore.

    I think the shorter list may be to find out what is considered SAFE anymore…

  26. why should the mother be forbidden entirely from continuing to enjoy things she enjoys just because she’s pregnant?

    Or, why should we refuse to provide pregnant women with relevant information and let them make choices? Because we wouldn’t want her to worry her pretty head about it when she’s busy being the Rosy-Cheeked Madonna, and she should leave all that fussing to her doctor? The problem isn’t the study; the problem is the media’s spin and the way people never bother to read or think about more than the headline and the first 30 seconds into the article.

    And what annalouise said. It’s so much better to harass pregnant women than to go after environmental toxins and poverty. Hey, the poor bitches shouldn’t have been breeding anyway, right?

  27. Astraea, exactly.

    I’m still waiting, though not holding my breath, for a pro-life group to genuinely be about helping the babies – by working to clean up the environment, improving working/living conditions for mothers, improving education, and doing real studies about what might harm the fetus.  Meh.

  28. Remember all those studies that came out a few years ago that swore up and down that peanut butter was the worst thing you could feed a child under two? A couple of months ago, a study came out saying “Yeah, about the peanut butter? Not so much. Peanut Butter cookies for everybody! Yay!”

    I would value this study more if it actually reached a conclusion and didn’t have to pad everything with ‘may,’ ‘might,’ and ‘could,’ or if the sample size was larger, or if they had eliminated the possibility that caffeine might be an indicator of other lifestyle factors, not a smoking gun.

    Hell, I might value it more if all the “ZOMG, all walking uteruses must avoid THIS” information we already have wasn’t so questionable, but as it is, I’m just not willing to get wound up about caffeine.

    Incidentally, I once asked an OB/GYN nurse why, when I stood a substantially higher chance of dying in childbirth than contracting Listeria from soft cheese or lunch meat, I was constantly being given so many pamphlets about Listeria. All she did was re-parrot The Horrible Dangers of Listeria and tell me to avoid soft cheese and lunch meat. Gah.

  29. XtinaS, I’ve never even seen a supposed pro-life troll begin to touch that issue when it’s brought up. THat’s usually when theiri heads explode and they resort to the “I’m rubber and you’re glue” argument.

  30. I drank 5-6 cups of coffee a day, along with 2 or 3 cokes, throughout both my pregnancies. One kid is 22 and pursuing an advanced degree, and the other one is just starting college. I’m tired of the harrassment of pregnant women.

  31. I drank 5-6 cups of coffee a day, along with 2 or 3 cokes, throughout both my pregnancies. One kid is 22 and pursuing an advanced degree, and the other one is just starting college. I’m tired of the harrassment of pregnant women.

  32. I groaned LOUDLY when I first heard this crap come on the evening news. Oh, goodie, another thing to scold pregnant women about constantly if they have one little Coke. Because you know it’ll go there immediately. Ugh.

  33. The lunch meat restriction is interesting. Wasn’t one that either my OB/GYN or dietitian (gestational diabetes) had apparently heard about. My “allowed” lunch during the second half my my pregnancy: lunch meat sandwich on wheat bread with lettuce and tomato. (Plus an apple and carrots, and when that still wasn’t enough of a carb load, plus 15 pretzel twists.)

  34. Mythago – it is true that alcohol is present in breastmilk. But at the same concentrations as it is in your blood and it leaves your breastmilk as quickly as it does your blood stream.

    The calculations I saw several years ago showed that you would have to be falling down drunk and actually in danger of alcohol poisoning to reach the same level of alcohol as is allowed in apple cider which is sold for kids (not hard cider).

    It’s riduculous to tell women they can’t have alcohol while breastfeeding. A reminder that being drunk is contraindicated for holding the baby – maybe. And the advice to “pump and dump” stupid, stupid, stupid.

    Thomas Hale has a really good book that studies all the most common drugs and their appearance and relative dose in breastmilk. It’s a great reference. Turns out that a lot of drugs regarded as “generally safe for breastfeeding” are actually less safe than alcohol.

  35. I would really love to see those calculations. Again, the response to overblown paranoia is not “silly doctors, this is all harmless”.

    Remember all those studies that came out a few years ago that swore up and down that peanut butter was the worst thing you could feed a child under two?

    No, I honestly don’t remember those studies. I do remember a lot of hyped-up media articles that, as usual, didn’t bother to do much other than extract a couple of conclusions from the studies and turn them into scare quotes, and people not bothering to read past the headlines.

  36. Okay.

    Alcohol is present in breastmilk at the same concentrations as in blood. http://www.kellymom.com/health/lifestyle/alcohol.html & http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh25-3/230-234.htm (“In general, less than 2 percent of the alcohol dose consumed by the mother reaches her milk and blood. Alcohol is not stored in breast milk, however, but its level parallels that found in the maternal blood.”)

    So, if your BAC is .08 that means your breastmilk is 0.08% alcohol. If your BAC is 0.40 (which is the generally recognized threshhold for stupor and death) your breastmilk is 0.40% alcohol. If your BAC is 0.20% (generally recognized as “falling down drunk”) your breastmilk is 0.20% alcohol.

    I can’t find the link about the alcohol content of non-alcoholic cider, but I did find it for O’Douls non-alcoholic beer – 0.50%. My memory (which admittedly is faulty) is that apple cider (sold in the US as nonalcoholic) could be up to 0.30% alcohol. I did find that in the UK any drink that is 0.50% alcohol or less is considered “non alcoholic”. It could be that the calculations were done in the UK.

    Drinking could be contraindicated for holding an infant, but it’s not contraindicated for breastfeeding unless you are some superhuman who can function at extremely high BAC levels.

  37. Actually, juice can contain up to 0.8% alcohol. And white bread, stuff with yeast… can all contain alcohol, too. AH, the SCARE!!!eleven!!

  38. Gaia, you are correct.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics classifies alcohol as “a drug generally compatible with breastfeeding.” My pediatrician’s advice? A glass or two is fine … if you feel like you’re too tipsy to hold your infant safely, then you’re probably too tipsy to breastfeed.

    European countries (and American non-traditional doctors) have recommended dark beer to increase lactation for CENTURIES.

  39. I’m still waiting, though not holding my breath, for a pro-life group to genuinely be about helping the babies – by working to clean up the environment, improving working/living conditions for mothers, improving education, and doing real studies about what might harm the fetus. Meh.

    XtinaS, I think you are my new best friend.

  40. Apple cider can contain considerably more alcohol than that if you buy it at the orchard we buy it at and let it sit around for a couple days. Mmm, unpasteurized cider (which, to aim vaguely in the direction of the topic, undoubtedly has many things in it that pregnant women are told to avoid. Is there a safe level of codling moth larva during pregnancy?).
    I remember taking a glass of wine rather than painkillers for the afterpangs with my second child, as what I needed was not so much relief of pain but relief of anxiety. I recall being offered narcotic painkillers for such afterpangs in the hospital with the first child.

  41. I am 5 1/2 months with my 4th child. My Doctors have actually told me to drink caffeinated drinks to help with headaches.

  42. Another study says coffee may help avoid ovarian cancer. Sheesh. Damned if you do…

    I think a lot of these health studies can be safely ignored because they’re done on an observational basis. They have to be, because you can’t cage people and forcibly give them a diet that might induce cancer. But observational studies are notoriously unreliable.

  43. Wisborg’s study “Maternal consumption of coffee during pregnancy and stillbirth and infant death in first year of life: prospective study” also demonstrated the toxic media spin around drugs in pregnancy. This was widely reported in the media as “COFFEE CAUSES STILLBIRTH!!1!”

    If you look at the actual results, what it shows it that intake of more than EIGHT cups of coffee a day at 16 weeks of pregnancy may be correlated with stillbirth (about triple the risk). Table 2 is the relevant table in the paper.

    However, the confidence interval included 1.0, meaning that the result was only of bare and borderline statistical signifiance. Smoking, alcohol, and some demographic characteristics were controlled for, but there are some very notable omissions: drug intake and nutrition, including eating disorders and intake of Listeria-risk foods. It is entirely reasonable to postulate that there may be an association between drinking more than eight cups of coffee a day in early pregnancy (seriously, eight cups?!), and disordered eating, intake of amphetamines/cocaine, and possible various other factors that are associated with poorer pregnancy outcomes – but they didn’t even ask. The authors later replied saying that they didn’t consider drug abuse an issue because the incidence of drug abuse is a “minor problem” in Denmark.

    That is without including consideration of the possibility that women with non-viable pregnancies don’t get as nauseous and lose their taste for coffee compared to

    But most importantly: if you drill down to the actual data instead of just the abstract – something the MSM never bother with – drinking no cups of coffee a day was also associated with a trend to increased risk of stillbirth compared to drinking 1-3 cups a day, and the increase was around 67% (though barely outside the range of statistical significance). Between 4 and 7 cups a day there was a trend to increased risk (again, not statistically significant wth the tests they used). So from this study, it would seem, if you were the gullible type, that the optimal intake is 1-3 cups a day, and that caffeine abstinence is contraindicated.

  44. I live in Canada, a woman ate some cheese at a nice bed and breakfast that her and her husband were staying at to celebrate her pregnancy of their first child. There was a problem with the cheese, not pasturised right, or wrong bacteria. He got sick… she lost their child.

    Um ya… cheese is an urban myth.

    Now, it isn’t all cheese, i’m sure cheddar and mozza is fine, as well as cheese slices. But all the other gourmet ones, you better think twice. Is it truly worth the risk to your child to be the one to figure out that yes, it CAN cause miscarriage.

    As for raw fish, the problem isn’t that its raw but the fish could have bacteria in it as well that cooking would normally kill. It’s a risk factor.

    Stop being a whiner.

    It was worth 18 months of giving up certain cheese, and sushi to have 2 living babies – no miscarriages.

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