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Damn Funny Women! (part 2)

I’m splitting my last post up into two sections, because it was too long, and the second half isn’t about the BBC’s horrible “science reporting” anyway. It’s about the related subject of whether women are allowed to be funny.

So what is up with humor being characterized as inherently “aggressive?” Everyone seems to take this for granted, and it’s part of why the “women just aren’t funny” trope gets rehashed over and over again. (Because you know, women just aren’t aggressive either, right?) From the recent slamming of Katharine Heigl for pointing out that Knocked Up unfairly cast its women as humorless non-jokers all the way back to Christopher Hitchens’ infamous essay in in Vanity Fair about why women aren’t funny unless they’re “hefty or dykey or Jewish,” it hasn’t been a good year for women in comedy. Or at least, the idea of women in comedy. Although they’re in a minority, there are plenty of extremely funny female comedians out there doing just fine and proving all this shit wrong.

It’s worth noting that Hitchens relied on some more gender-based “science of humor” reporting for his essay. In fact, I found a study he references covered on the BBC News site. Look, it’s the same stock photo of a man laughing that we saw when they were claiming that humor comes from testosterone! You know, because that laughing man, he’s funny and he gets jokes, unlike women. This study in this case is about how men and women interpret humor differently; women in the study had more brain activity in the prefrontal cortex, and responded more strongly to the punch line in the “reward center” of the brain, suggesting that women might be thinking about whether something’s funny more analytically, and not necessarily expecting a humorous payoff at the end. Wait, let’s see how Christopher “men have got to be funny so we can get you ladies in the sack” Hitchens interpreted this, in yet another stunning example of an author twisting science to suit his argument:

Slower to get it, more pleased when they do, and swift to locate the unfunny—for this we need the Stanford University School of Medicine? And remember, this is women when confronted with humor. Is it any wonder that they are backward in generating it?

Maybe I’m just supporting the idea of a link between humor and aggression… but even after ten months, reading Hitchens ragging on female humor and claiming that there are “more terrible female comedians than terrible male comedians” kind of makes me wish a two-ton cartoon safe would fall on his head. There are far fewer terrible female comedians out there because there far, far fewer female comedians out there period. In fact, the BBC uses the smaller number of female comedians as evidence that men are funnier! Hitchens, just like the BBC on testosterone-derived humor, goes on to spout a bunch of speculative, half-baked theories about mating and evolution. Junk science in the form of volutionary sociobiology is de rigeur for this kind of argument, it seems.

The Christian Science Monitor had an interesting rejoinder to Hitchens entitled Are Women Allowed to Be Funny? The CSM points out Sarah Silverman (oh oops, she’s Jewish), and talks about which women (and stereotypes of women) are acceptable in comedy. Gosh, who would have guessed that the “funny gap” could be the result of social prejudice? It’s only the most obvious answer… but that kind of science apparently doesn’t sell papers (or broadcasts). They also offer some wisdom from Drew Carey:

[…] despite the fact that his ABC comedy employed numerous funny women, comic Drew Carey says the prejudices are real. It’s not so much that women aren’t funny, he explains, as that men don’t want them to be funny. “Comedy is about aggression and confrontation and power,” says the stand-up comic. “As a culture we just don’t allow women to do all that stuff.”

Smart guy, that Drew Carey. But is comedy really only ever about aggression and confrontation and power? Jessica at Feministing already posted an incredible clip of the hilarious Wanda Sykes in response to the BBC’s article. Sykes’ routine provides plenty of proof that women can be funny (oh oops, she’s gay) as well as that even if humor somehow originated in aggression, it can “eventually become separated from it as wit, jokes, and other comic forms, which then take on an independent life of their own,” as the dermatologist-turned-unicyclist Dr. Shuster pointed out in his misconstrued paper. (Sykes also provides significant evidence that genitals should be detachable, a position I strongly support.)

I’ll leave you with another example: a straight, WASPy white lady from Duluth, Minnesota, who could only be considered “hefty” by someone insane like MeMe Roth and could only considered “dykey” by someone whose view of reality is based on Extreme Makeover.

(The SuperDeluxe embedded-video applet will only let me embed all the chapters of her show, which is kind of annoying because it’s so wide… but I’d definitely recommend “Ready For Love,” “Mother’s Day,” and “Faith” after you watch the first episode or two.)

What do you think? Is Hitchens right that “angst and self-deprecation” is “almost masculine by definition?” Does Maria Bamford’s weirdo character put her into CSM’s accepted role of the “ditzy klutz?” Is she enough of a weird loser that she’s allowed to be funnier than “attractive” women? Am I “using” too many “pointless quotation marks?”

One of the things I like about Bamford’s style is that her intelligence comes across very clearly regardless of what character she’s playing. Then, her sudden Tracey-Ullman-esque transformations into various characters leave you with a much more… abstract? feeling about what the mastermind behind the whole thing is actually like. Anyway, I think she’s fucking hilarious. Happy Solstice!


24 thoughts on Damn Funny Women! (part 2)

  1. Women are not cast in comedic roles because more often than not, it’s men making decisions behind the scenes – women exist in movies/tv as love interests and pretty decorations. That doesn’t mean women aren’t funny. It means their senses of humor are not appreciated and showcased.
    Men will say women aren’t funny, judging them by narrow standards: women may not be as into slapstick humor or gross-out humor. So what? Who says that’s the epitome of humor? Oh right – men.
    I, for one, enjoy more ironic, satirical, subtle humor. I love the kind of humor it takes intelligence to deliver (and understand). The ladies who comment on Jezebel crack me up consistently. I love, love, love Tina Fey. Hers is sharp, insightful humor.
    I adore making people laugh. It’s a joy to make my mom cry with laughter. I’m pretty sure my boyfriend appreciates my sense of humor. He doesn’t consider it an impediment, but I definitely believe that many men consider funny women threatening.

  2. If anyone’s interested in a semi-scholarly meditation on women and humor, I strongly recommend Regina Barreca’s They Used to Call Me Snow White … But Then I Drifted: Women’s Strategic Use of Humor, which has some great observations. Especially how women sometimes use “humorlessness” or “inability to remember a joke” to refuse to participate in their own degradation. I think her example was a woman saying, “No, honey, I guess I just can’t remember that joke about why the best possible girlfriend is three feet tall, toothless, and has a flat head — why don’t you tell it?”

  3. I forgot to mention the hilarious Mindy Kahling, who’s written some of the funniest episodes of The Office (“The Injury,” anyone?).

  4. Lucille Ball. Carol Burnett. Gilda Radner. Madeline Kahn. Whoopi Goldberg. Rita Rudner. Goldie Hawn. Lily Tomlin.

    No, women have no sense of humor and never had. Nope.

  5. This crap is clearly a reactionist er, reaction to how successful and prevalent women in comedy have become. In addition to the women comedians already listed, Chelsea Handler has her own late nite show that began this year! And she is hilarious, albeit in a masculine way, which probably scares the living hell out of the stupid, insecure, and humorless males who say that women aren’t funny.

  6. I agree. Although it is in part about the type of humour, I think the perception of women bieng unfunny is complex and arises from the general stereotypes of womens’ roles in society.

    Personally, I think it’s partly about the woman being the ‘other’. If a man says something snarky, it’s ‘edgy’ and hip: he’s clearly observant and witty. If a woman does, she’s ‘bitchy’ and complains too much. I remember being astounded that of the poll conducted to find the top 10 witty Britons, none were women (apparently Churchill and Liam Gallagher beat Austen to it…)(http://www.metro.co.uk/fame/article.html?in_article_id=70465&in_page_id=7&in_a_source=)
    The article at the time suggested that it was because women were more likely to be sarcastic, but I really don’t see how sarcasm and wit or humour are mutually exclusive.

    There was an article in the Independent about how men wanted women with a sense of humour, but not actually women who told jokes…just those who wolud presumably laugh at theirs:
    http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article341715.ece

    There’s this stereotype that humour is ‘man’s work’ somehow, and women are discouraged from being funny in that they are seen as being less funny than men. It’s pathetic that the patriarchy even has it’s claws in how people percieve ‘funny’, but there it is. 🙁

  7. I thought Sykes routine was actually pretty damn aggressive, especially in our culture. She’s criticizing the objectification of women, and making extremely controversial statements denying that women can in fact be reduced to our pussies. I suspect a lot of men would find that off-putting.

  8. I love Maria Bamford.
    She’s on Comedy Central tonight at 1am as part of the Comedians of Comedy Tour.
    I encourage everyone to check it out.

  9. I listen to a wacky radio morning show here in Los Angeles (more out of habit than anything else) and they were trying to do a “women aren’t funny” bit by having one of the guys go down to one of the audition sites for an all-women’s version of “Last Comic Standing.” The guy who actually prepared the bit was really into it, but you could tell the rest of the crew wasn’t quite so enthusiastic since the guy was saying, “Women aren’t funny,” and they kept saying, “True … except for Sarah Silverman. And Janeane Garofalo. And Isla Fisher. And …” They named at least 10 women before the guy doing the bit cut them off.

    It was actually kind of funny that they wouldn’t even support their own comedy routine.

    And though she does both comedy and drama, must mention my husband’s favorite, Emma Thompson. He would leave me for her without a glance backwards if given half a chance, so I’m fortunate that she’s happily attached.

  10. Incontrovertible proof that women are funnier than men:

    1) I have met a woman who doesn’t like Absolutley Fabulous
    2) I have never met a men who likes Absolutley Fabulous

    3) I never met a woman who likes The Three Stooges
    4) I HAVE met men who don’t like The Three Stooges

    So, HAH!

  11. What an embarrassing typo. Should read:

    Incontrovertible proof that women are funnier than men:

    1) I have never met a woman who doesn’t like Absolutley Fabulous
    2) I have never met a men who likes Absolutley Fabulous

    3) I never met a woman who likes The Three Stooges
    4) I HAVE met men who don’t like The Three Stooges

    So, HAH!

  12. I used to do improv stuff back in the day (I’m over that now), but my theory about this is that comedy is largely about extremity and incongruity. Since in our culture we have such narrow roles what is acceptable for women (don’t be too loud or fat or awkward! or too skinny or mousey or sexy!), when women do things that would prompt laughter if done by men, they instead prompt disgust or revulsion

    Basically women =/ funny, because if they step outside the boundaries, they lose their, uh, womanity–to redux Hitchens’ dykey-Jewish-etc. bit.

  13. I was just thinking about this the other day while watching a radio commercial (or some other project) in which previously dull people were transformed. The men turned into alter egos of music genres, like break dancers and rock stars. The woman, she was turned into “hot”. That was her personality. Hot.

    That’s why only “hefty or dykey” are seen to be successful in comedy, or are perceived by men as funny. Women are judged solely by their appearance, and only when they reject that mold can they be thought of in terms of who they really are. We can be funny, wonderful people, or we can be good looking.

  14. 1) I have never met a woman who doesn’t like Absolutely Fabulous
    2) I have never met a man who likes Absolutely Fabulous

    You need to get out more — my husband loves AbFab (along with Father Ted, Black Books, and many other Britcoms). He hasn’t liked the Three Stooges since he was 10 years old (and I liked them until about the same age even though I’m a girl).

    But, then, he likes funny women. He loves that I can quote “The Simpsons” to him at opportune moments.

  15. funny Australian women from Full Frontal and Big Girl’s Blouse

    Full Frontal: the netty Show was a take on The Footy Show right down to the opening song, too bad this was all I could find:
    Eric is not a Sexual Object

    the girls from Full Frontal then did their own sketch show Big Girl’s Blouse
    Freaking Out

  16. I have personal experience with this. In high school, I spent most of my time with a group of guys. I’m a middle child, so humor became a diverting mechanism for me. When I’d use humor with my guy friends, they’d dismiss it almost immediately. They even created this mechanism to put me in my place for even attempting to be funny. One of them would say something like, “Oh, that’s so funny I’m busting my side open,” or “I’m going to lose a kidney,” which eventually got to be too much for them to say so they shortened it. One of them would mime a hurting stomach and then say, “kidney” and point to the floor.

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