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“The world is your playground”

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The NY Times recently compiled the Top 53 Places to Go in 2008. I remember walking by the STA Travel office several times a week in college, where a large, obnoxious banner read “The world is your playground.” This “Top 53” and the sentiment expressed are both annoying and somewhat irresponsible. Globalization has made it incredibly easy and inexpensive for people of my generation and (economic, national) background to travel– and they do. Far too often it seems as if they do so with a closed mind, an open pocketbook, and little respect or understanding of the place they are going to. In the popular Times article, the descriptions of the destinations seem more focused on golf courses and luxury hotels than the effect of explosive tourism on these countries.

While the majority of American travelers I’ve met abroad have been polite, interesting, and intelligent, it is incredibly frustrating to come across those with money, time, a high BAC, and little else.

Countless foreign policy blunders of the past and present already create a perception of the US as a big, fat, clumsy bully on the world stage- we don’t need American citizens reinforcing that view by wiping their snot all over the monkey bars.

Although you probably couldn’t tell, in the States one has to take a test to receive a driver’s license. If* there were a test for obtaining a passport, what would you like to see on it? What required reading/listening/tasting/dancing would you want to see tested?

* I’m not suggesting this is a good idea– I support travel for all (even ignorant assholes), and ultimately think passports should be relatively easy to obtain.

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95 thoughts on “The world is your playground”

  1. I thought that Americans were supposed to be so parochial and close minded that they hardly travelled to non-western nations at all? (From the book A Brief History of Globalization, only 5 percent of trips abroad are to places outside of the Americas and Western Europe.) Now we do it too much?

    Also, is your idea for a passport test in violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, or am I just really confused? I mean, I’m sure I have no idea how to interpret that, but does anyone know?

  2. Manners. Simple curtsy.

    Start with “Please” and “Thank you.” And include “I have no expectation that:

    1. Your job is to explain anything to me, including what that word means, where you are from, what you think about politics, etc.
    2. You should speak my language.
    3. You should understand my point of view.
    4. You should take pictures of me with various people and in various places or pose for pictures of the ‘natives’.
    5. You should listen to my never ending discussions of what is wrong with this place based on where you are from.”
    And for the grande finale how about “I understand and accept that I am a guest here and will do my best not to impose or cause any difficulties.”

  3. I support travel for all (even ignorant assholes)

    I think you have the right idea there. Travel can help open even the most ignorant eyes.

  4. I thought that Americans were supposed to be so parochial and close minded that they hardly travelled to non-western nations at all? (From the book A Brief History of Globalization, only 5 percent of trips abroad are to places outside of the Americas and Western Europe.) Now we do it too much?

    I don’t think she said we do it too much. I think we said we do it too unthinkingly. Big difference.

    Also, is your idea for a passport test in violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, or am I just really confused? I mean, I’m sure I have no idea how to interpret that, but does anyone know?

    Dude, read the post — did you see the part where she said that she doesn’t agree with the idea for a passport test? It was a just-for-fun question, not one that she wants to see actually imposed.

  5. It must be nice to be able to afford to travel, but once you’re an adult with a job and pets, it’s not quite as easy to pick up and go as it is when you’re in college.

    I finally got a job that has vacation time, so maybe someday.

  6. I thought I made it clear that the passport test was hypothetical– I don’t actually support having one, I was simply asking IF there was one, what would everyone like to see on it. I suppose a clearer way to ask the question would be: what should travelers know/expect/care about when leaving the US?

    I don’t think that US citizens travel enough in general, but at the same time, I think the college-aged crowd is starting to do it more. As the number of American travelers increase, I’d simply like to see them take a more thoughtful approach.

    I admit that I’ve been a somewhat careless, selfish traveler before, but continue to learn from the mistakes I’ve made. I’m interested in hearing about mistakes others have seen or committed themselves, and how to avoid them.

  7. For those of you who assume that the United States has the market cornered on bad tourists, please take a trip to Maine in the summer and partake in the French Canadian visitors.

    Fatter than American tourists. Louder than American tourists. Ruder than American tourists. More self-indulgent than American tourists. And as pale as pale could possibly be.

    Oh, and they do expect you to speak French.

  8. People should travel abroad as much as possible, with no requirements.

    Taking your question in a joking way, you might want to be sure that Americans can do credible imitations of Canadians so they can see what it’s like to travel and have everyone like you.

    I can’t go for much more than that, because when I was abroad one of the things I found most distasteful were Americans who spent time talking about how much they disdained other Americans.

  9. I suppose a clearer way to ask the question would be: what should travelers know/expect/care about when leaving the US?

    I’ve found that a person’s noobness is revealed easist on public transport, as most big/famous urban areas around the world have this as a primary travel option more than Americans would enjoy here.

    So yeah. Learn to solve the subway puzzle. It’s not easy if you’ve not been ingrained in this stuff from an early age; even our four-line light-rail system here in Atlanta mystifies certain transplants.

  10. Well, I’ve never been to Maine, and all the Canadians I met were the, “Nice day, eh?” variety. If anyone ever spoke French I think I assumed they were French. My bad, possibly. When I travelled though, I found that Candians were almost universally loved, by me as well as everyone I encountered.

    And Australians were great fun to hang out with.

    And both groups (Canadians and Australians) were everywhere.

  11. And Australians were great fun to hang out with.

    The one cultural stereotype that I’ve found to be absolutely true is that Aussies and Kiwis are universally fun and awesome. (Although with my luck, I’m positive I’ll meet someone who will prove me wrong soon enough).

  12. When I travelled though, I found that Candians were almost universally loved, by me as well as everyone I encountered.

    And I found the pendulum had swung the other way- that Americans had generally learned to STFU and hide, while Canadians viewed non-Americanness as some sort of political statement.

  13. That’s funny, DN.

    A great object lesson in American entitlement was provided for me when I studied abroad in England. My home University system had an orientation week in London and we were all told we could choose tickets to one of two theatre productions. We all stood in line and said which tickets we would like and they were given to us.

    After we all had our tickets the coordinators pointed out that they had counted, and of sixty or seventy of us, only a handful had said “thank you” when provided with the free tickets.

    Americans tend not to say thank you when provided with a service, and it comes off as entitled and rude in some other countries. Worth keeping in mind.

    I actually found that almost every behavior that involved subtly acknowledging that there were other people about was a challenge for Americans, myself included. I hadn’t realized until I travelled abroad that I was part of a culture that did not value manners or thoughtfulness to strangers very highly.

  14. after living in London as a Californian for several months, the only test I would impose is this:

    1. Are you able to refrain from imitating the local accents and patterns of speech ad nauseum while in public?

    2. Are you able to modulate your voice enough as to not disturb the passengers at the other end of the Underground platform?

    3. If you insist on performing #1, please see #2.

  15. Also, I totally agree, Eileen. American rudeness had never been so clear to me until I came here to England where strangers are unfailingly polite, even in a huge impersonal metropolis like London. The best part about pretty much being a local by now is watching American tourists do that SLOW LONG ENUNCIATION of their words when speaking to a British person, as if they’ve forgotten we speak the same friggin’ language.

  16. Elieen- What part of the U.S. were these tourists from? As I said, I currently live in Atlanta, where the “southern hospitality” cliche isn’t necessarily untrue. Quick example- I was accosted by a bus driver the other day because she didn’t hear me say “thanks” for waiting for me before taking off. No, really.

    Americans tend not to say thank you when provided with a service, and it comes off as entitled and rude in some other countries. Worth keeping in mind.

    Careful. When we pull this cultural-tendancies-are-bad-when-around-other-cultures, you open the door to the sort of bigoted stuff visitors to America might have to deal with. Think: “Why do Hispanic immigrants _________? We certainly aren’t like that in America.”

    Jill- Neither. Try “drunk.”

  17. calling people fat is hardly discrediting them.
    also, air travel causes massive amounts of pollution.

  18. Canadians viewed non-Americanness as some sort of political statement.

    But Canadians are Americans. So are Mexicans, Brazillians, Inuits, Bolivians and Falklanders.

    They’re just not from the United States of America. Really, we’ve appropriated the name of two whole continents for our own country.

    even our four-line light-rail system here in Atlanta mystifies certain transplants.

    That’s because MARTA is poorly designed and even more poorly implemented. The rail lines only go to a few places. The bus system is arcane and almost never on schedule. I used to have to commute from L5P to S. Springs on MARTA, 12 miles, and some days it would have been faster to walk.

    I would love, love. love to have viable public transport in Atlanta but the development lobby has made sure that won’t be the case for years to come.

  19. Fatter than American tourists. Louder than American tourists. Ruder than American tourists. More self-indulgent than American tourists. And as pale as pale could possibly be.

    Oh, noes! People travel when they’re fat and pale? Quelle horreur!

  20. One simple question really- while traveling to you intend to shop at stores you could find at home. Cause really, the Disney store and Tommy Hilfiger in Venice are not cultural meccas, though from the HORDES of stampeding Americans you see running to them might make you think differently.

  21. as if they’ve forgotten we speak the same friggin’ language.
    Are you sure we do? I speak US Midland North, (about as middle-of-the-road as you can get in a US accent) and there are some US accents I have to concentrate hard on to understand if there’s even a little bit of background noise. While I can easily understand whatever accent it is they put on the BBC, I can also easily imagine that there plenty of actual British accents that would leave me puzzled.

    As for a passport quiz? I guess just this: recognize that while you are outside of the US, you are a foreigner, and therefore when some authority figure says “all foreigners will please have their passports ready”, that statement applies to you.

  22. veronica-
    That being said when I was in Britain I often had people ask me to slow down and speak more clearly. Though maybe the west coast accent threw them off.

    As far as a test goes I would want one that tests people on how Americans are seen and why. Maybe then people will want to actively change that perception.

  23. But Canadians are Americans. So are Mexicans, Brazillians, Inuits, Bolivians and Falklanders.

    They’re just not from the United States of America. Really, we’ve appropriated the name of two whole continents for our own country.

    Fine. We’ll use the English equivalent of the Spanish and say United Statsians. To say nothing of my original point because, well, you said nothing of my original point.

    That’s because MARTA is poorly designed and even more poorly implemented. The rail lines only go to a few places.

    MARTA is frought with the racism of decades past, reinforced through modern slap-on names (oh no! not…uh…my zoning laws!). With that said, though, there’s been serious-ish attempts recently to get the ball rolling on massive improvements- think the Beltline and the Peachtree trolley. I think it’ll happen. People are moving back into Atlanta.

    However. The rail plan as is goes up and down, and left and right. It might suck and/or go nowhere, but that should be easy enough to figure out.

    The bus system is arcane and almost never on schedule.

    When’s the last time you’ve taken it? The two routes I take regularly are actually almost *always* on schedule. Plus, the Breeze card system has gotten rid of the arcane issue.

    I used to have to commute from L5P to S. Springs on MARTA, 12 miles, and some days it would have been faster to walk.

    I commute from Brookwood to Sandy Springs every weekday. It’s faster than auto every time.

    I would love, love. love to have viable public transport in Atlanta but the development lobby has made sure that won’t be the case for years to come.

    Really, now? Seems to me the trend is to build Atlanta’s core back up again. Couple that with serious water distrubtion failures, and I think it’s the suburban white-flighters who are being left out to dry. No tears here.

    Oh, noes! People travel when they’re fat and pale? Quelle horreur!

    I know, zuzu! Who the heck would say something like that?

    Countless foreign policy blunders of the past and present already create a perception of the US as a big, fat, clumsy bully

    Ohhhh. So that was what I was responding to.

  24. I would add: “When you are told that something is not the way you expected it would be, do you:

    a) insist that it must be, repeatedly and at high volume
    b) bluster about how ‘stupid’ that is
    c) accuse the person telling you this of lying
    d) thank the person for telling you and inquire how things actually work

    Anyone not answering ‘d’ should be automatically rejected.

    Most embarassing moment of my study abroad ties to this — I was in Ireland (Republic of) and there was a group trip organized to Northern Ireland. As we were leaving, the group leaders — locals — told us not to bother changing our pounds back to Euros if we were planning to visit Britain later, as they were “the same thing”… Fortunately for me, both the person I tried to spend them with in London and the person at the bureau de change were very nice and the latter even pointed me to the nearest bank. But I attribute that to having “d” drilled into me at a young age. Along with general manners — I think I’d have to work hard at not saying please and thank you to someone, they’re so automatic.

    1. Are you able to refrain from imitating the local accents and patterns of speech ad nauseum while in public?

    I take it this is imitation-as-mockery you mean? *grin* I have a horrible habit of picking up local accents quickly, which occassionally results in some god-awful blend of three or four, depending on how fast I’ve been travelling. (One summer here in the US I was speaking New York City-California valley-New England, and no one could understand me. Add foreign accents and, well…)

  25. Elieen- What part of the U.S. were these tourists from?

    We were all from California.

    When we pull this cultural-tendancies-are-bad-when-around-other-cultures, you open the door to the sort of bigoted stuff visitors to America might have to deal with.

    I agree. That’s a good point, and why I included myself in the group of people who benefitted from a reminder about manners. I suppose that we could all do with being a little nicer to each other world-wide. Just because. It’s hard sometimes.

  26. Americans should be required to undergo a mock interaction with foreigners in which they show they know when to say “Hello, Goodbye, Please, and Thank You,”

    On the other hand, Americans abroad are perceived as less dangerous than young Brits (football hooligans), not as self-absorbed as Germans, and more decently clad than Aussies. But Americans who sew maple leaf appliques to their backpacks aren’t fooling anyone.

    One positive development: European adoption of the American uniform of trainers/plimsolls, jeans, and baseball caps means that we are no longer spottable a mile off. For some reason, I do not look American. In fact, I am invariably assumed to be German, which is difficult because I don’t speak it all that well.

    And Thomas, I’ve never met a Canadian, Quebecois, Mexican, Venezuelan, Columbian, Salvadorean, Honduran, Peruvian, Tobagan, Jamaican, Brazilian, Chilean, or Argentinian who’d rather be called American. They’ve all left the name open for U.S.

  27. Americans should be required to undergo a mock interaction with foreigners in which they show they know when to say “Hello, Goodbye, Please, and Thank You

    Really? Are we SURE?

    Because I hear this sort of social criticism from the lips of the Purity Ball weirdos and ante-bellum bigots as well and it gives me the willies. Fight for your right to be rude!

  28. Fight for your right to be rude!

    And yet you seem to have a problem with French Canadians being rude to you. Interesting.

  29. Fight for your right to be rude!

    I know there are assholes everywhere, but I really don’t think there’s a cultural value in encouraging it. What does assholery accomplish?

  30. I’m annoyed by people who claim not to be tourists. They are Serious Backpackers who bother the natives experience the culture for real. Yeah, good for you, go take a bath because I don’t want to smell you on the train.

  31. I guess I’m not getting the jokes DN. I just keep reading contrarian points and some baiting, but so far none of it has that special ironic twist that would make it actually amusing.

  32. When abroad, you are the foreigner and you should learn how to navigate the country, rather than expect the country to rearrange itself for your convenience.

    “I don’t understand English” != “If you speak louder and more slowly, I will understand you.”

    I think a little attempt to understand the local language, culture, and public transit goes a long way, as does some patience.

  33. If* there were a test for obtaining a passport, what would you like to see on it? What required reading/listening/tasting/dancing would you want to see tested?

    How about the list of questions they use for naturalization interviews? 😉 I am willing to bet, about 80% of Americans would not have a clue about that stuff.

    OK, sarcasm apart; agreed: traveling is one way there’s a slim chance ignorant AHs will learn something new. The chance is slim but it’s real 🙂

  34. That being said when I was in Britain I often had people ask me to slow down and speak more clearly.

    Yeah, I should have tried harder to draw that distinction. When I first got here, and then again when I visited Scotland, I found the word most frequently out of my mouth was “Pardon?” And even though I was polite about it, I still felt like a complete tool.

    That also being said, I was referring to that obnoxious thing that Americans do (and you’ve definitely see it happen if you’ve been to any touristy part of Mexico) when they automatically put on their speaking-to-a-toddler speech pattern without being asked. I can understand why it pisses off Londoners to no end, because on the whole they haven’t had any problems understanding me. This is conjecture here, but I think the predominance of bad Californian shows on TV here makes the accent barrier less difficult on their end.

    I take it this is imitation-as-mockery you mean?

    Unfortunately, yes. I live in the same building as some American students, and I will never go out drinking with them as they think it’s hilarious to spend the entire evening after the fourth pint or so speaking in really, REALLY bad English accents. Bad to the point of seeing bystanders cringe visibly.

  35. Wow, the wording in that article is just sickening. I have never understood why someone would go halfway across the world just to sit in a lounge chair by a pool at a fancy hotel or to play golf or to shop at expensive name-brand shops (when you can find the same ones in just about every big city in the whole world, including the US).

    I agree with Kristin’s and Eileen’s questions. I think the main thing I would ask is, “are you wiling to make an effort to learn how to say at least ‘hello’, ‘goodbye’, ‘thank you’, and ‘do you speak English’ in the language of the country you are visiting?” People who just walk up to everyone and start speaking English, assuming that they will know it, really annoy me.

    I would also perhaps ask “are you willing to try the local food?” I was in Greece recently and overheard some American young women in my hotel talking about getting Subway for dinner. I could hardly believe my ears. Maybe they didn’t want to pay the prices at the expensive tavernas, but if you searched around a bit you could find inexpensive and delicious gyros places. But no, they were going to go to Subway?!

  36. But no, they were going to go to Subway?!

    Every once in a great while I would go to an American fastfood restaurant just to get a sense of familiarity. It helped me decompress a bit and made it easier to go back out into an otherwise unfamiliar environment with a sense of fun and openmindedness.

  37. When I visited England way back in 19 *cough cough*, everybody wanted me to say something. As in say something, we want to hear your accent. It was amusing and embarassing.

    I do recall meeting a couple from Chicago in a bar in Scotland and treating them like next door neighbors. I hadn’t seen an American in almost a month at that point.

    Btw, I did greatly enjoy my stay there and found the differences between British and American to be fascinating. The key to traveling is to understand that:
    A: No, not every country is a mini America. (Thank heavens).
    B: To encourage a fascination of your own with whatever you may encounter. And most likely, it won’t be like it is in America.

  38. Every once in a great while I would go to an American fastfood restaurant just to get a sense of familiarity. It helped me decompress a bit and made it easier to go back out into an otherwise unfamiliar environment with a sense of fun and openmindedness.

    Ok, I can understand that. It can definitely be overwhelming staying in an unfamiliar country, and perhaps if I had stayed much longer in Greece I would have felt a similar need. I did not get such an impression from these particular women, but I grant that I am judging based on only a few actions I saw, and I really have no idea why they were chosing to go to Subway.

  39. I did not get such an impression from these particular women, but I grant that I am judging based on only a few actions I saw, and I really have no idea why they were chosing to go to Subway.

    In favor of your argument, I’ve met more than a few people who have gone travelling seemingly just so they could say where they had been once they got home. With no real sense of joy or adventure in the travelling itself.

  40. Shine your shoes, guvnah?

    YES! Exactly!

    Special note to travellers to England: not many people here actually sound like the Spam lady from Monty Python. Just don’t do it.

  41. I live in the same building as some American students, and I will never go out drinking with them as they think it’s hilarious to spend the entire evening after the fourth pint or so speaking in really, REALLY bad English accents. Bad to the point of seeing bystanders cringe visibly.

    In their defense** they probably do the exact same thing at the bars back home, with the exact same cringing effect on the bystanders.

    ** Okay, not really.

  42. I think this is a rather elitist post. Firstly, having been a number of countries I can easily say that Americans do not have a monopoly on acting like assholes. Secondly, exit controls are way too reminiscent of the former Soviet Union like countries. If any controls should be there the other country can stop people it doesn’t want to let in. Given that most countries seem to go out of their way to invite dollar spending Americans, maybe Americans are doing something right.
    As a non-American, these kind of attitudes are somewhat strange to me, though I encounter them all the time given that I live around a US campus.

  43. Firstly, having been a number of countries I can easily say that Americans do not have a monopoly on acting like assholes.

    Who said that? The truth is that Americans do have a reputation for acting like assholes. So do some other nationalities. No one said we have a monopoly on it, just that the stereotype exists.

    Secondly, exit controls are way too reminiscent of the former Soviet Union like countries.

    Again, she explicitly said that there should not be exit controls.

    Christ, man, read the post and then comment. The Strawman is getting awfully bruised up.

  44. Seems to me the trend is to build Atlanta’s core back up again. Couple that with serious water distrubtion failures, and I think it’s the suburban white-flighters who are being left out to dry.

    Best news I’ve heard all day!

    As for travel, I’ve never been able to afford to travel outside the US as much as I have always wanted to. Considering this, when I landed some cash when working with some land brokers, I spent a good portion of it sending my then seventeen year old son to visit Chiapas with my anthropologist mother. She was on a trip there (one of several) to visit a Zapatista community.

    My son came back with many a tale to tell and I was proud of having the opportunity not only to send him abroad (sort of), but also of him going with someone very sensitive to and familiar with traveling in different cultures. She taught him a lot about traveling. I remember her directive to him about clothing; no shorts, nothing flashy or commercialized and to bring a Spanish-English dictionary because she wasn’t going to be there to translate for him every second.

    I remember distinctly one story he told me of how in Guatamala a bunch of pasty, fat tourists actually cornered a little native girl on a street, snapping pictures furiously at her while she stood, trapped, dazed and confused. He also spoke of how rude their were to the locals, how they didn’t bother to speak in the native tongue, etc.

    I also remember with amusement how my mom said the girls in te village where they stayed would spy on him and watch him, fascinated by his wild, tomato-orange hair. He learned what it is like to be a minority, at least in the physical sense.

    As for rudeness. Having worked for years in the service industry at low paying jobs, I am sensitive still to accept service with a smile and a thank-you and ask for help with a please. It seems a basic courtesy and kindness that people in service work around here never get and I think its awful.

    I was also brought up by traditional southern parents where such courtesies were expected anyway, so I guess its not so hard for me to be kind to people. Although here in New England, across all socio-economic levels, it seems a real hardship for some to say ‘thank you’ or ‘please’.

  45. Given that most countries seem to go out of their way to invite dollar spending Americans, maybe Americans are doing something right.

    Yeah, what we’re doing right is spending those dollars in the first place. The point of discussing cross-cultural sensitivity is to illustrate how that “invitation” on part of other countries (many of which rely on tourism for their GDP) does NOT give us the right to act like complete assholes while doing it, which seems to be the attitude of American (and, to be fair, other Western) tourists.

    Of course we don’t have a monopoly on being jerks abroad. Just go and watch the young British men wandering around the Red Light District in Amsterdam to see how bad things can get. But because (I’m guessing) most of the commenters here are American, how much more elitist would it be for us to sit around and bash the German and Japanese tourists incessantly, while giving our own a free pass because we spend more money?

    And if you’re going to complain about the elitism of the post, at least base it on economic grounds. Because it is elitist, in a way, for people who can afford to travel frequently to complain about any aspect of that overwhelmingly amazing experience…but I think most of us know that already and can deal with it.

  46. Oh, and the dress code my mother sanctioned for my son was because she said that in the Americas where they were going people were very conservative and didn’t look kindly on shorts or other skin-bearing clothing. She said she wanted him to dress neatly, no ripped jeans, no worn-out sneakers, no hats, none of the ‘I’m so cool casual-with-it’ American theme.

  47. I would like all American travelers to 1) be polite, 2) be cognizant of how PRIVILEGED they are to be able to afford travel abroad. I believe that the reason most Americans haven’t traveled abroad is not parochialism, but that they cannot afford it.

  48. Ailurophile- I think the expense is a big part of it, but also we have this giant fear of the unfamiliar. Just look at all the warnings about money belts for travelers, you would think no one was ever robbed in the US.

    As for using general politeness- seriously people is it so hard to learn please, thank you, hello and goodbye in a foreign language? It’s 4 words that you should be using hundreds of times a day.

  49. Just look at all the warnings about money belts for travelers, you would think no one was ever robbed in the US.

    Well, yeah, but it’s a lot easier to get your money and/or credit cards replaced at home than it is when you’re in a foreign country several time zones away from your bank while trying to figure out what the non-800-number is you need to call to cancel the cards. Not to mention trying to replace your driver’s license, your passport, etc.

    Most amusing advice I heard: if you get the money belt and wear it inside your clothes, having your decoy wallet lifted by a pickpocket becomes an interesting cultural experience, not something that ruins your trip.

  50. a bunch of pasty, fat tourists

    fat is a descriptor that means fat. i’m tired of seeing this fatphobic bullshit. if you mean rude, say RUDE. not fat.

  51. Zomg, okay, having lived in Scotland for 11 years, I can unequivocally say that all tourists are occasional assholes REGARDLESS OF NATIONALITY.

    I have met crappy English tourists (Londoners, wtf is your deal?), Africans who treated clerks as near slaves (for the record, when you ask the manager of the store to stay open until 10pm because you’re not done shopping yet? You’re being an ass), rude Scots, disdainful Asians, seriously rude French women, fucking racists in all colors, Irish people fond of George W (again with the wtff?) who put me down for disagreeing with them, holier-than-thou Canadians (because they were not Americans, natch) and two (retired) Americans who were convinced they saved Scotland from the Nazis in WWII.

    People are people, take them out of their regular environment and it takes them awhile to adjust to the new social construct of whatever country they happen to be in at the moment.

    Believe it or not, Americans DO NOT have the monopoly on being stupid and immature in public. What was most eye opening to me was seeing how much of the bad behavior that is typically considered American comes straight outta England. It’s quite surreal.

    And now, I’m off to read the rest of the comments.

  52. True Mnem- but (and I am so going to jinx myself here- please gods of travel don’t frown on me for my hubris) I’ve never had someone in a foreign country try to pick pocket me or steal something, though I’ve had my car broken into here many times. I am just way too lazy to wear a money belt and be all that frightened in a foreign place.

  53. Ailurophile said:I would like all American travelers to 1) be polite, 2) be cognizant of how PRIVILEGED they are to be able to afford travel abroad. I believe that the reason most Americans haven’t traveled abroad is not parochialism, but that they cannot afford it.

    I would like to substitue ‘Brits’ for Americans. My coworkers had no freakin’ clue how expensive it was to travel to Europe from the US for many, many, many people. In fact, they were down right shocked when I laid it out for them. Travel to Europe is cheap as chips for them, hell, up until a couple of years ago you could get a ‘travel’ passport good only for a few months. And I’m sorry, flying to Tenerife or the Costa Brava or Sharm el Sheik, lazing a beach, getting drunk at clubs and having lots of sex while eating at the English cafes does not equal traveling in my book.

    I mean, you have to admit, how many Americans have the opportunity to fly to another country, stay in a half board hotel for 3 days and fly back for less than $30? I had that chance through a class trip but unfortunately had to cancel due to school stupidity, and when the chance came around again I could no longer go.

    Hell, without my mother’s help I’d have never been able to afford to fly to Europe in the first place – and I was 27 years old. Minimum wage + full time job + sharing an apartment + student loans + 1 weeks vacation = oo, I can afford to stay home and sleep late, not Oo, I can afford to travel to another country, yippee.

    /rant

  54. It would seem to me that the only advice you should need is to treat the people you meet in foreign lands exactly the same as you would people here at home. Basic stuff, really. Politeness, courtesy, all that.

    As far as adopting a foreign accent or whatever, it’s just silly and obnoxious. And maintaining a low profile is good, but why be worried if you’re immediately identified as an American? Again, the same rules apply there as here: if someone is polite and friendly, return the favor. If someone is rude to you without cause, politely invite them to die in a fire. Simple stuff.

  55. Also…some of us are pasty because we cannot tan. It does not make us rude, unless we are assholes to begin with.

  56. I’ve never been able to travel out of the country, but I’ve always wanted to. I guess it’s probably one of those things that maybe I’ll do in the next life, if such a thing exists.

    I would love for my kids to travel though. My oldest, Kat, has already spent a lot of time bumming around the US, and the youngest is talking about the student exchange program when she gets older. As for me, I get my fix by watching lots and lots of foreign-language movies.

  57. True Mnem- but (and I am so going to jinx myself here- please gods of travel don’t frown on me for my hubris) I’ve never had someone in a foreign country try to pick pocket me or steal something, though I’ve had my car broken into here many times.

    Ah, but, see, I’m the person who conceals her money in an inaccessible place when she goes to Disneyland (which is a 45-minute drive from my apartment), so it’s more of an all-around paranoia that random people will pickpocket me in busy public places than a specific fear that foreigners will pickpocket me.

  58. One thing I’ve noticed while traveling is that people are people. No matter where you are, someone is going to be offended by you. This goes for traveling in the States as well as abroad. They will be offended by your accent, your clothing, your lack of proficiency in their language or lack of understanding of the peculiarities of their local roads/public transit and there will always be some unspoken taboo that says that anyone wearing green on the third Tuesday after the full moon is a moron.

    When I travel, I try to learn at least the rudiments of the language or, if I’m traveling in the States, I at least try to familiarize myself with the area and try to avoid such obvious faux pas as asking a New Mexican if New Mexico is part of the US. (A college roomate swears that this is a common question.)

    While I personally feel that at least a basic understanding of the different language(s),currency(ies), social obligations and taboos should be required before traveling to another country, to avoid misunderstanding and in some cases legal trouble, I know it would never work. People take too much pride in being easily offended. *snerk*

  59. Best travel/wake-up call?

    I was in Dublin, and complained that throughout Ireland, I could not find any Splenda, or any other sugar substitute, at any coffeehouse. A friend said, “Holly. This is not Burger King. You can’t have it your way”.

    Oh, and nobody has ever been rude to me in Scotland or Ireland, just for the record. I’ve been asked about my political leanings, of course. (That’s after they hear me speak, though, as I’ve been told by so many Brits and Irish that they just assumed I was of their country- I guess I blend in?) I always set the inquisitive straight on my politics. Oh, and I always say “thank you”, here, and abroad. But, if we’re not doing that on the whole- no wonder Americans have a nasty image.

  60. I went to Switzerland for 3 weeks for training with my new job. It never occurred to me to NOT learn basics like, “I don’t speak German, do you speak English?” (or French, as it was another common language where I was staying), please, thank you, and a couple of other useful phrases. I was staying in a relatively tourist-y area, so many of the clerks and waiters spoke a little bit of English, so I was lucky. Only once was I approached by someone who made absolutely no effort to work with me, even after I tried the small bit of German, the French, and finally English.

    My two coworkers from the States? No attempt to learn any German phrases, no dictionary, and mostly, no patience.

    I think patience is highly recommended. Even if there’s a huge language barrier, if everyone keeps breathing and patient, there’s less frustration to go around.

  61. Again, the same rules apply there as here: if someone is polite and friendly, return the favor. If someone is rude to you without cause, politely invite them to die in a fire. Simple stuff.

    Judging by what I’ve witnessed during my late ’90s study-abroad trip to China, it seems there are too many Western tourists who believe the quotes of common-sense wisdom above is about as inscrutable as studying rocket science. 🙄

    I will echo other commenters that Americans don’t have a monopoly on rudeness when traveling abroad. During that summer study-abroad program, I did witness a few British and Australian tourists engaging in similar obnoxious “Ugly American” practices.

    Unfortunately, the bulk of the obnoxious and assholish tourists I’ve witnessed in action during that study abroad experience happened to be Americans with severe entitlement complexes. Their behaviors ranged from patronizingly dismissive when assuming lower intelligence because someone does not speak English to throwing temper tantrums because their overinflated egos are not being catered to quickly and deferentially enough and/or in the way it was back in their Western home countries. I am ashamed to say that this included many students within my own study abroad group, including Chinese-Americans who felt entitled to lord over the locals because of their American citizenship status. 🙁

  62. While my comment on obnoxious tourists is in moderation…here’s some thoughts on the seeming lack of observation of basic manners and common courtesy in American society.

    As with many commenters, i was raised to always observe common courtesy such as saying “please” and “thank you”.

    Unfortunately, the popular denigration of such practices in the US is not only commonplace, but celebrated in the American MSM and popular culture.

    Oddly enough, I have actually seen Bohemian-like college classmates argue that social rules of common courtesy such as saying “please” and “thank you” are actually a system of hierarchical social controls imposed by the upper classes to ensure easier dominance over the lower classes by making them more receptive to accepting deferential behavioral patterns and thus, making them easier to control.

    Though most do not make such arguments to justify their lack of common courtesy and/or abject rudeness, I find a lot of Americans seem to intuitively internalize such arguments when they act out or justify their reasons for not observing basic manners and/or being out and out rude. Do you all think this is a factor in why many Americans, including those who travel abroad, create such negative impressions of us for the rest of the world?

    Many thanks for any thoughts you may have. 🙂

  63. Since the comments that are here so far are all involving Europe (I think?), I would like to offer my limited experience from Asia.

    I am American but have lived in Japan for work for a combined 2 years now. I live in Yokohama and it gives me plenty of opportunities to observe foreign visitors to Japan since it gets so many people here for a temporary stay – a business trip, etc.

    What surprised me above were the complaints about Americans’ rudeness. Actually, to my own surprise, I haven’t observed a ton of that among American tourists (foreign residents and service members, well, sometimes a different story). Personally when I first came here, it took me a long time to get used to the fact that when shop employees yell “welcome!” and “thank you!” a million times at you, you’re not supposed to say anything back. The American in me cannot stop trying to say “Thank you! Thank you!” back at them. Not tipping (because it is not just “not a custom” here but not really accepted) makes me feel like a huge asshole and makes me very uncomfortable. But this might be because I worked in the service industry for a long time too.

    The Americans I have observed here, I would describe them as overwhelmed and hesitant. Public transit is very scary to them. They are often getting in my way when I am booking it to the train in the morning late for where I’m going. Transit here is not explained well even in Japanese (the signage can be really bad, and the procedure is unclear to first-time train riders, not to mention the insane bus systems), and I have a lot of sympathy for them – I wouldn’t want to be in their position. They seem to be afraid to talk to people, hesitant to approach people, to ask questions.

    I don’t want that to sound like “Americans are terrified of Japan” but what I hear constantly is “I am scared to do X because I will commit a cultural faux pas.” They have no idea that it’s not such a big deal, because the fact that you are not Japanese is enough of a cultural faux pas to negate anything you actually do. 😉 But Americans strike me as hesitant and overwhelmed in comparison to the Europeans I see here. I visited Europe once a long time ago and got the same impression then: the biggest asshole tourists were the other Europeans. They are generally pushier and more demanding here in Japan. Maybe it’s because things like public transit and being around people from other countries a lot are not as new and scary to them.

    But as someone else already said above, Americans definitely do not have the corner on being asshole tourists, and being relatively sheltered/isolated/entitled.

    My advice for Americans going abroad would be: learn that public transit is not scary and is in fact useful, and to quit worrying about what other tourists are doing that you judge to be different from what you’d do (ie eating at subway – who cares?), and just focus on your own trip instead. Frankly I can’t really blame tourists here for flocking to McD’s and the Coach store because that is what all of the Japanese residents of Yokohama are doing too..

    Apologies for my long-windedness 🙂

  64. mali Let me second you on having a near uncontrollable urge to say *something* when the store employees yell “irashaimase”. And the forbiddance of tipping ran against some of my earliest training, my father was involved in the restaurant trade and I think “its bad luck to stiff a waitress” may be the first thing I remember him telling me.

    I did find your comment re: public transport a bit odd though, I lived in Tokyo for 6 months and found the system to be quite understandable. Possibly its because I’d never lived anywhere with public transport before so I had no preconceptions of how it should be organized to throw me off?

    Also, as far as food goes, I’ll state that I occasionally ate at McDonald’s, and Subway when I lived in Tokyo just for a taste of boring American food. Mostly I was too broke to eat out at all, so I ate a *lot* of steamed rice and hundred yen curry pouches, and when I could afford to eat out it was almost always Japanese food. But sometimes you’ve just got a craving for the boring crap you grew up with.

    On topic, I’ll echo the “learn to say please, thank you, hello, goodbye, and do you speak English” sentiment. I was in Japan doing study abroad and one of the women who had been there for six months before I arrived *still* hadn’t learned any Japanese (I learned later that she tended to skip all of her language classes), and her standard method of conducting any transaction that required communication was to say “Do you speak English”, in English, until someone who did was found. Fortunately she was the exception when it came to linguistic rudeness.

    Other than the language issues, I strongly suspect that any rude tourists are just as rude in their home countries. It may be more obvious because, as tourists, they stand out, while back in Boise (or whereever) you’d just think “sheesh what a jerk” instead of “rrrgggghhh, some idiot reinforcing the Ugly American meme”.

  65. Oh, it did occur to me last night that I’ve had two negative experiences, two different trips in Scotland. But, those were two times that I was not accompanied by Scottish friends, and it was because both times the men were asses that heard my accent, and so assumed that I did not know what I was doing. (Yes, I mentioned this many months/threads back) And, to clear up that record, those two times were isolated incidents. All of my other experiences, both wandering lost in Ireland or Scotland, without my Irish or Scottish friends- everybody was super nice to me. And I don’t think it’s because of the whole, “oh, you look Irish/ Scottish- we didn’t know until you started speaking…”, stuff.
    I think it was mainly because I was not doing tourist(y)-group stuff, and am desirous of hanging out in places that the locals enjoy, et cetera.

    And, yeah, I’m one of those people that gets annoyed when I hear of Americans going abroad, and searching out places that they can find in America. Or, stay at their hotel, the entire time.

    And, while do always say “please” and “thank you”; I am well-aware of what the U.S. is sometimes perceived as, by outsiders. I am highly cognizant of my actions when abroad, because of this. So, when I “complained” to my ex-pat friend about my neurotic need for skim milk and sugar-substitute, it was in a somewhat joking-manner- just thought I’d clarify that one.
    But, I will never let native friends con me into “enjoying” a “traditional” Scottish or Irish breakfast. To quote my Perth/Endinburgh darling George: “It’s good, yeah?” Me: “um, well… I’m not really a fan of sausage, fried eggs… sorry?”
    So, I could work on that one, I guess.

  66. Though most do not make such arguments to justify their lack of common courtesy and/or abject rudeness, I find a lot of Americans seem to intuitively internalize such arguments when they act out or justify their reasons for not observing basic manners and/or being out and out rude.

    We had a fad in child-rearing for a while where middle- and upper-class people decided that teaching your child to say “please” and “thank you” was teaching them to be insincere or liars. Now we all get to deal with the “benefits” of that and the poor kids get to spend time at “etiquette dinners” in college to teach them the manners their parents thought weren’t necessary to modern life, though their future employers disagree. :-p

  67. A little bit of thread drift here but still kind of on topic, just wondering if anyone has some thoughts on this. I’ve always been leery of vacationing (i.e. resorts) in poorer countries b/c I feel 9 times out of 10 they just exploit the resources and do little to help national and local economies. My boyfried is of the mind that it does help the economies and the exploitation is minimal. We recently signed up for this resort package deal that includes carribbean and L.A. countries but I’m still uncomfortable with the idea. I’ve tried to find some hard numbers to back my case up but everything I’ve found to date has been slanted one way or the other. Any thoughts, suggestions?

  68. Not tipping (because it is not just “not a custom” here but not really accepted) makes me feel like a huge asshole and makes me very uncomfortable. But this might be because I worked in the service industry for a long time too.

    Ain’t that the truth. I haven’t done much traveling for pleasure, so when I went I did Scotland and Ireland, because I figured they were the closest thing to home. They all look like me, speak basically the same language, and so on. But nobody told me that they don’t tip there. So I’m in the bars, feeling weird leaving one pound/euro coins on the bar, and it took me 4 or 5 days to realize that I was the only idiot doing it (especially since using coins to tip here is just tacky). I’ve just had “tip your bartender” drilled into my head for so long that it was very difficult to not leave something.

    This brings me to a possible explanation for some ugly-American behavior. People who are traveling abroad usually expect some things to be different, like language or basic quaint customs, but aren’t prepared for some of the mechanics to be different. And when you’re frustrated you can be a dick. I’ll give an example where I nearly turned into the “American asshole”:

    I was in Galway, after taking hours and hours to drive there from Belfast, because the Irish road system is a nightmare. Here in America you can cover ground pretty rapidly, and the actual mileage from Belfast to Galway isn’t really that far, so there’s culture shock moment one. So anyhow, I get to Galway around 7:30pm. I’m cranky and irritated because I’ve been driving around on shitty roads with no signs behind farm tractors for hours, but I figure a decent meal and some beers and I’ll be all good. Get showered up at the hotel, head out about 8:30pm.

    It’s Wednesday, but Galway is the largest city on the west coast, the downtown area is packed, and I can’t find a goddamn restaurant that serves dinner after 6:30. Seriously. There were restaurants open, but the kitchens were closed. And the worst part is, when I would politely inquire at one of these places whether or not they were serving dinner (with a menu board out on the sidewalk no less) invariably I’d get looked at like I was some kind of idiot for wanting to eat at that hour, and get a curt “no” in response. I ended up, on my first night in “the mother country”, eating at the shittiest fast food place I’ve ever been to just to get some food in me. And then, instead of getting angry, I just went and got drunk. But were I not so committed to not being a dick, it easily could have gone the other way.

    It’s just culture shock. As an American, the idea that I can’t get something as simple as a sit-down meal when I have money and am willing to pay, due to cultural practices, is unfamiliar and frustrating. And sometimes when things that you just assume will work (because they do at home) don’t, it takes you by surprise and can make you an ass.

    Sometimes you just can win, however. I was on the ferry from Belfast to Stranraer, and some guy started talking to me (in the bathroom, which is just breaking the rules in the first place). Anyway, he steps up to the adjacent urinal, turns his head to me and says some quick phrase to me that sounded exactly like “wert bert”. I assume it was gaelic, because after saying “pardon?” he repeated himself, and I still didn’t understand the guy. So I apologized and said that I didn’t understand what he was trying to say, and without missing a beat the guy called me an American asshole. It was awesome.

  69. Oh, Henry! My Irish story:

    My sister and I were at a hostel in Galway at Christmas. Before the holiday itself we were warned that everything would be closed on Christmas day. We assumed this meant what it means in America… that everything would be closed except some gas stations, and a convenience store, and this or that. The hostel was open, after all, though they emphasized that they woud not be staffed on Christmas day. We did not, as a result, prepare for the fact that Everything Was Closed, as in the entire country of Ireland closed itself down for the holiday. Absolutely.

    Should we have assumed, knowing that it was a Catholic country, that nobody was joking about everything being closed? Yes, but we were young and so accustomed to commerce trumping religion as it does in America that we just couldn’t get our heads around the concept of there being absolutely no opportunity to exchange money for goods.

    And so we had packets of instant soup for Christmas dinner. We weren’t assholes about it though. We took our lumps with our soup and knew better next time.

  70. I was in Japan doing study abroad and one of the women who had been there for six months before I arrived *still* hadn’t learned any Japanese (I learned later that she tended to skip all of her language classes), and her standard method of conducting any transaction that required communication was to say “Do you speak English”, in English, until someone who did was found. Fortunately she was the exception when it came to linguistic rudeness.

    Sounds like many of my classmates at my study-abroad….except it was caused by not taking classtime seriously, not doing the practices and homework needed, and excessively goofing off outside classes. In addition to asking “Do you speak English” in English, many would start their temper tantrums if their requests were not understood quickly enough for their tastes. It was one reason why the local students I’ve conversed with had such a poor impression of Americans, especially those of Chinese descent. When they got to know me better, they bluntly told me that I was one of the very few Americans who made a sincere effort to learn the language, culture, and who was respectful. 🙁

    Am hoping things have greatly improved since the late ’90s.

    We had a fad in child-rearing for a while where middle- and upper-class people decided that teaching your child to say “please” and “thank you” was teaching them to be insincere or liars. Now we all get to deal with the “benefits” of that and the poor kids get to spend time at “etiquette dinners” in college to teach them the manners their parents thought weren’t necessary to modern life, though their future employers disagree. :-p

    Mnemosyne,

    Out of curiosity, when did this happen? I’ve heard vague comments about it from random people, but nothing definite. Is this all over or only in certain parts of the states?

  71. Out of curiosity, when did this happen? I’ve heard vague comments about it from random people, but nothing definite. Is this all over or only in certain parts of the states?

    It was mostly a 60s-70s-80s parenting thing, mostly in the northeast and midwest, mostly upper-middle-class. If you heard a parent talking about how they wanted to be their four-year-old’s “friend,” that would be one of the perpetrators.

    It was never hugely widespread, but it did have an impact on the overall child-raising culture.

    Not to mention that people starting moving from region to region a LOT more often in the 1980s, which led to a lot of in-country culture shock. I know it was weird for me to come out from the Midwest (suburban Chicago) where most people say please/thank you to Southern California, where no one says it. I was getting an autograph one time (from Jerry Seinfeld, if you must know) and startled the poor guy by being the only person in a crowd of 10 or 15 to say “thank you.”

  72. Part of the reason that American tourists have a bad reputation is that American tourists have a bad reputation. By now, people just expect it of us, so they tend to see it. Not saying that it’s never true, but from what I’ve seen, a lot of people if they hear English but can’t place the accent, guess nationality by behavior, and we get blamed for the rude or loud ones. (learned this from speaking to two German girls in Barcelona who were embarassed to learn that the rude, loud “Americans” we were sharing a room with were all Australian and Canadian and the only Americans in the room where the two girls they were speaking (in German!) to)

    Since we seem to have added sharing personal travel stories, here’s my dad doing the (inadvertant) Rude American:

    We’re on a family vacation to Ireland (diaspora Irish-Americans, natch) and we went to Galway Bay. There’s a little car park, the bay, and a small building right next to the car park that looks like a tourist information center. (you know, maps on the wall, bathrooms, maybe a souveneir shop) So my dad goes in to use the bathroom. There’s a man in there; he asks what my dad wants. My dad says he’s just looking for the bathroom. Guy shows him where it is. Dad does his thing, comes out and the man asks if he needs anything else. At which point, Dad looks around and realises…

    yup. he’s in the man’s house.

    The Irish are the friendliest people I have ever met. (though, to be fair, I’ve never given people anywhere else the chance to be quite THAT understanding)

  73. I cut class earlier this semester to visit a few places in Europe. Out of five countries I’d say I got bad treatment maybe once for being American, so I’m not sure that (most) people think poorly of us.

    The one thing that I felt embarrassed about was not having learned any French. I was lucky that everyone we met in the Netherlands and Belgium spoke English, but the Parisians were having none of it.

    As we were leaving, the group leaders — locals — told us not to bother changing our pounds back to Euros if we were planning to visit Britain later, as they were “the same thing”… Fortunately for me, both the person I tried to spend them with in London and the person at the bureau de change were very nice and the latter even pointed me to the nearest bank.

    That’s really weird. I’ve spent Scottish and Northern Irish notes in London and never had an issue.

    Also, co-sign on the Aussie sentiment.

  74. Sorry I’m late to the party… ironically, I was on a plane! 😉

    I’ve found that, being a Midwesterner living on the East Coast is an odd experience, I don’t understand the not smiling at people when you are walking on the sidewalk, not saying please and thank you, etc.

    On international travel – I had a horrible experience in the Netherlands when I was in h.s. and I had made an effort to learn some Dutch phrases and when I tried to use them, people were what I saw as rude and just spoke to me in English. My sister, however, who lives in the Netherlands, tells me that perhaps I overreacted. Well I didn’t really react, but my feelings were hurt.

    Most of my traveling is in Latin America (the fact that all of my in-laws live in South America might account for some of it). My traveling style is such that I like to just be myself and learn as much as I can about the culture that I am in. Being fluent in Spanish helps me a lot with that. Though I’ll admit when I was waiting in Miami to get on my flight to Chile last night, I definitely saw some of those earnest backpackers. Good for them, but please don’t think less of me because I’m going to stay at my in-law’s house rather than experiencing *real* Chile. Though they’re nearly as bad as the Chilean businessmen who get on their cell phones as soon as we land in Santiago and tell everyone they call that, I’m on a plane, we just arrived from USA! while pretending to be discreet about it. Alas.

    I’ve been asked the politics question, and had people hold forth on their view of American (oh problematic term) politics at great length. My response tends to be that if they want to talk about American politics, fine, but then don’t be surprised if I’ll know what’s going on and have opinions about Chilean politics.

    My family and I definitely are conscious of class issues when we travel – I suppose it helps that we don’t look like the typical rich Americans, but nevertheless we’re always very careful about how we spend our money and how our hosts and friends respond to it. In my experience, being myself (because we’re pretty similar about money in the US, too) and being honest and open with people has been my best traveling strategy.

    Though – the New York Times travel section nearly always makes me mad. Especially when they write about a place I know well – then it truly becomes clear just how privileged and out of it they are. If you’re interested in more “realistic” or at least more fun and less condescending travel info, I’m a big fan of Samantha Brown on the travel channel.

  75. The one thing that I felt embarrassed about was not having learned any French. I was lucky that everyone we met in the Netherlands and Belgium spoke English, but the Parisians were having none of it.

    From what I’ve heard, welcome to Paris. They treat you like that even if you do attempt French. My friend tried to get directions to the Louvre, but the guy she asked spent all of his time correcting her pronunciation and she eventually walked away and asked someone else.

    In other words, Parisians are like native New Yorkers if an out-of-towner dares ask them a question. 😉 Apparently it’s quite different in the French countryside and people are usually happy to help the stumbling foreigner.

  76. Catrala:

    Where were you in the Netherlands? Everyone I met in Amsterdam and The Hague spoke perfect English, so maybe they thought they were helping you out.

  77. In other words, Parisians are like native New Yorkers if an out-of-towner dares ask them a question.

    Ha. Yeah, I think the comparison holds. But as someone who lives in New York and adores Paris, I’ll just say that if you find someone who doesn’t look like they’re in a hurry, be polite and apologetic, and ask them in French if they speak English, they’re usually really nice (the French, that is — you can speak English with New Yorkers). Also, one thing to keep in mind is that culturally, the French don’t do the smile-big thing like Americans and a lot of other people. Even when they’re greeting other French people, it’s a simple “Hello” without the niceties. It doesn’t mean they don’t like you, but it’s often misinterpreted by Americans (myself included) who are used to people smiling as a way of being polite and friendly. So it can be off-putting, but it’s not usually ill-intentioned.

    New Yorkers aren’t quite as cold, but I suppose we aren’t known for being particularly friendly, either. I get asked for directions a lot, and usually the only time I’m tempted to be rude is when directions are practically demanded of me. I have, however, always wanted to do something like this. Because I’m secretly mean like that.

  78. But as someone who lives in New York and adores Paris, I’ll just say that if you find someone who doesn’t look like they’re in a hurry, be polite and apologetic, and ask them in French if they speak English, they’re usually really nice (the French, that is — you can speak English with New Yorkers).

    One of the things I learned was how easy it is to do basic interactions without knowing the local language until something goes wrong.

    The embarrassment came about because my Paris Metro ticket wasn’t working and I realized I was coasting on the Europeans not having the same multilingual paranoia the we have in the States.

    I was expecting (not consciously) the guy at the Metro booth to speak fluent English when I would never expect an MTA/Metro-North employee to speak Spanish, German, etc. (not in a classist way)

  79. “That’s really weird. I’ve spent Scottish and Northern Irish notes in London and never had an issue.”

    I’ve had issues in London and in England otherwise (Lancaster, Chelmsford and London area airports, specifically) with Scottish currency. I spent a semester in Scotland a few years ago, and had an orientation for three days with a big group, and they told us repeatedly not to even bother taking Scottish money to England (Some of the Scots were also a bit bitter that Scottish stores had to take English money, but it didn’t work the other way around).

    If I handed over a Scottish note in England, they would either look at it like I had just handed them currency from Mars or something or flatout refuse to take it. My brother and I were at a club in Chelmsford this past summer and the guy at the door wouldn’t take my Scottish 10-pound note, citing rampant “counterfeiting.” So we had to walk back to the hotel and scrounge around for English money, and then hike back. We had *just* enough to get in the club, but no money left over for drinks! 🙂

  80. If I handed over a Scottish note in England, they would either look at it like I had just handed them currency from Mars or something or flatout refuse to take it. My brother and I were at a club in Chelmsford this past summer and the guy at the door wouldn’t take my Scottish 10-pound note, citing rampant “counterfeiting.”

    I guess I lucked out then.
    It’s not like it’s monopoly money or anything. Maybe the English have some sort of superiority complex when it comes to the other UK countries.
    I wonder how they react to the notes in Wales.

  81. New Yorkers…but I suppose we aren’t known for being particularly friendly, either.

    Having lived in the Greater Boston area for a few years after college, I’ve came across plenty of friends, co-workers, and random tourists who have all claimed that New Yorkers are far more friendly and helpful than Bostonians. In fact, the most common adjectives they’ve used to describe Bostonians were “cold” and “aloof”. Those claims took me aback as those accounts were far removed from my own experiences.

    As for other New York comparisons, it seems Beijingers tend to have the same honest gruff no nonsense attitudes while the Shanghainese are similar in the area of emphasizing business-mindedness/materialistic excess…though they do it in a seemingly friendly, but affected manner.

  82. Henry, re: your “wert bert” experience on the Stranraer ferry – as an expat Scot living in Belfast I suspect that the gentleman in question was probably addressing you with the common Belfast greeting, “what about ye?” which, given the, um, unmellifluous accent hereabouts could easily have sounded like some random sounds to you. From a cheerful and good natured stranger it’s a perfectly nice greeting, but from a guy who was quite likely on the beer (because, hello, I am informed that the no-talking-in-the-urinals rule is especially strong over here) not so much (it may have been a morning ferry, but that makes no difference; there’s always a few tables of guys getting the pints in on the 07:30 boat). Also, it’s one of those stock phrases that often gets mangled down to a couple of the key sounds through regular use.

  83. *sigh* I was so happy in Japan when Japanese people used “talking to a small child” Japanese on me. A couple of years of classes doesn’t prepare you! But I’d be irritated if they kept it up and I knew Japanese well at all. I think the fact that I spoke slowly inspired them to be careful.

    It’s really a lot nicer if you try and learn please/thankyou/hello/goodbye in the local language. It is always appreciated in my experience.

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