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zuzu

A comment by Milorad Buggerov, who doesn’t seem to have caught on yet that no matter how many new names he creates, he’s still not getting past the modbot.

well, I will agree with you that his whining about Americans not winning marathons is non-sense. But man, I am so glad not to be in the US, watching the chubby ones like you trying to make a half lap around Central Park. Over here, you can’t find a girl who weighs more than 55 kilos. And I am betting you can’t manage a 10k much less plodding along and completing a 6 hour marathon-walk. Douchy personality + chubby + stupid = zuzu

And if anyone knows from douchy personalities, it’s Milorad. Or Bill Taylor. Or M, or whatever he’s calling himself these days in his desperation to have a comment appear.

I suppose I shouldn’t encourage the little rat to keep pressing the bar by rewarding him randomly with a published comment, but sometimes he’s just so entertainingly incensed that it seems wrong not to share.

47 thoughts on From the special moderation queue

  2. As my husband pointed out- finding girls over 55 kilos may be hard but finding women over that is another matter entirely.

  3. Hey, now. Rats are lovely, sweet, intelligent animals. Let’s not insult them by raising this guy to their level.

  4. I agree, rats are very sweet.

    That said: Sir! What is this fear of fat women? Fat people, I’m sure. Over 55 kilos? The Interwebs says that equals about 121 pounds. I weigh more than that, 126.4 to be exact, and I’ve been known to make it at least three quarters of the way around Central Park (which one my ancestors designed, by the by)! Also, what of the tall women, six feet or so? Surely they weigh more than 121 pounds. Or are there no tall women where you live? I think your data is skewed.

    But nevermind all that. I am too busy enjoying my delicious tuna casserole that I made for myself. I ATE THE ENTIRE THING AND I DON’T CARE.

  5. Maybe he lives where everyone is too malnourished for lack of food to be tall or to weigh more than 55 kilos — the way it should be everywhere.

    /snark

  6. He probably lives right here in the US. Lots of MRA types have a, you know, thing about furrin wimmin and how svelte and obedient they are.

  7. y’know, i’m only five feet tall, and i’m told by doctors that if i drop much below 50 kilos, i’d hurt my health. the only women i’ve ever known that were healthily below the limit he set were short people, and there’s no way everyone in his country is as short as me, unless he’s a member of a pygmy tribe or some such.

    in short, hi m! you’re an idiot!

  8. Seriously, next time he leaves a comment like that, post his IP address and any other info you can find on him. I’m not usually in favor of doing that, but now he has been duly warned, and I am really fucking sick of reading comments like that in the mod queue. They’re cruel, they’re unnecessary, and he doesn’t get to go around shitting on us in our space. I think it’s time to throw some shit back.

  12. Seriously, next time he leaves a comment like that, post his IP address and any other info you can find on him. I’m not usually in favor of doing that, but now he has been duly warned, and I am really fucking sick of reading comments like that in the mod queue. They’re cruel, they’re unnecessary, and he doesn’t get to go around shitting on us in our space. I think it’s time to throw some shit back.

    Oh, like this one? 195.230.129.154

    Or this one? 193.164.130.30

    Or this one? 217.12.206.107

    Or this one? 83.222.193.98

    Or this? 62.118.212.122

    Or this? 195.94.227.43

    Or this? 88.81.231.68

    He seems to live in Kiev or thereabouts, and travels to Moscow occasionally, where he sometimes stays in the Cosmos Hotel. And sometimes, he posts from an internet cafe in Kiev. He’s claimed to have gone to law school and Tuck Business School. Which also happens to be where Mark N u c kols, Mr. Hufu, went to business school. I’ve long thought it was our pal Mark, who turned up during the whole auto admit mishegoss and was rather offended that we didn’t give him a tongue bath.

    From what Natalia has written before, the reason that so many models are from Eastern Bloc countries is due to scarcity and lack of adequate nutrition in their youths, leading to very thin physiques.

  13. I’m guessing that he is fourteen and lives in an all boys dorm at a boarding school because that is the only place where all women are girls and none of them are over 55 kilos- in the back of his hormone fevered brain.

  15. Oh, wait — he was mortally offended that I didn’t accept the premise behind “T14” or that it was something that was accepted outside of auto admit instead of dreamt up by someone at Georgetown, which happened to be ranked #14. Also, he completely flipped shit about that in email and kept trying to post excerpts from the email exchange without my consent.

    And wrote to one of Jill’s professors to complain about something I did.

    Ah, good times, good times.

  16. I guess ol’ Milorad still isn’t having any luck getting laid, and it’s making him all cranky and stuff.

  17. I guess I’m betraying my Stupid American heritage if I’m wrong, but is “Buggerov” actually a real name? Or is Trolly Boy being cute with “bugger off”?

  18. “From what Natalia has written before, the reason that so many models are from Eastern Bloc countries is due to scarcity and lack of adequate nutrition in their youths, leading to very thin physiques.”

    It’s always seemed a particularly cruel irony that once they can afford more, they can’t have it lest they lose the paycheck that’s allowing them (and usually their family and extended family) more. Poor kids.

    But yeah, inadequate nutrition while developing can lead to some absolutely travel-sized people.

  20. zuzu —

    Um. I might seriously about what your last post w/r/t his location, posting habits, real name, et cetera, would look like if it were done to you.

    — ACS

  21. I can’t say I’m in favor of publishing names and IP addresses and other personal information of commenters, even trolls, even mean trolls. I understand why you’re upset, but I still don’t think posting personal info is an appropriate response, and would appreciate if you’d take it down.

  22. ACS-

    1.) It’s been done, and much worse to Jill if you missed the autoadmit kurfluffle, except for them it was a.) much, much more detailed information (like, gym schedules and such.. stuff that pointed to their exact location rather than “Kiev”) and b.) without the whole deservedness thing.

    2.) That’s not necessarily this guy’s real name, it’s somebody known to be a douche under their real name and who is a candidate for the identity.

  23. Sara, he’s given his real name and location before, and he has been posting vile, abusive and just plain stupid comments since he first turned up in March. You don’t see them because they go straight to the spam queue, but Jill, piny and I have had to read them for seven months now (as has Lindsay Beyerstein, who gets them regularly at her place).

    Not only that, he has had no compunction whatsoever about interfering with Jill’s education, sending one of her professors an email complaining about something that *I* said. So, I will decline your invitation to take down his IP addresses.

  24. As my husband pointed out- finding girls over 55 kilos may be hard but finding women over that is another matter entirely.

    A point worth making indeed.

    But nevermind all that. I am too busy enjoying my delicious tuna casserole that I made for myself. I ATE THE ENTIRE THING AND I DON’T CARE.

    YEAH!

    and I have callouses on my hands that offer great gripping power on little dweeb necks.

    And never mind that a large portion of my weight is muscle and I’ve thrown dorks like him across a room and more than likely benched more than his total weight — in stones, kilos, pounds or whatever. There’s a reason why idiots like him like de leetle womins and gurls.

  25. sorry, i’m having one of those days wherein i have decided that i am “surplus to needs”, and had to take too namy pain killers today…

    the whole thing about running around Central Park? I’m not even allowed to walk for more than 100 YARDS – let alone a mile or more.

    i have extreme sciatic damage. of COURSE i am over weight – i can’t exercise. i can barely sit in class for two hours. And i get the feeling that this guy will still blame me, and look down upon me, for being “fat”. should i kill myself because i don’t fit *HIS* standards of beauty?
    Standards, i might add, that are as artifical as his name.

  26. You know, I weigh less than 55 kg, and there’s no way I could run a marathon. I’d be nursing my poor knees by mile three.

    It always shocks me how people conflate thin with healthy.

  28. Re: IP addresses — it looks like he runs them through an anonymizer anyway. Most of them are filtered through Amsterdam. So what Zuzu’s posting doesn’t actually give out any info.

    Plus, what Zuzu said about emailing my professor, and leaving hideous comment after hideous comment in the queue. It’s really, really tiresome.

  29. Ok, MIlo is saying that he didn’t contact my professor and I’m lying. So perhaps he is a different person from Mr. HuFu?

  30. ACS –

    your sentence is lacking a verb and I am really curious to know what it should have been. And btw a comment or response is quite a different thing than a regular post, which is displayed on the frontpage. You actually have to click on the post and then scroll through all the comments to see that one. Plus, I don’t really see the point in protecting someone’s privacy who is abusing the comments policy and trying to post a lot of that information anyway. Our blog, our discretion.

    – SoE

  31. Hey “Milorad”! I’m in Kiev! WTF is this 55 kilo business you’re on about?

    And what’s up with your obsession with zuzu anyway? She’s not interested. Live up to your fictional last name and bugger off already.

  34. Just to be clear, I am not that person. On another article, one of the bloggers here had posted an argument by some guy and followed most of the points he made by calling him a “douche” (or something to that effect, I’m afraid I can’t find the post now). While I agree with your stance and I think he was being what one might call a “douche” (or whatever other insulting term), I do not feel comfortable with the idea that you (whichever one of you had posted that article) were resorting to petty name-calling when there was so much in the guy’s article to criticise in a mature and thoughtful way. This is especially true when other posts are made condemning those who resort to just calling Anne Coulter “ugly” or “anorectic.”

    It’s childish to name-call, so I said this. I posted in your comment that it was not “mature” to respond to someone’s argument (no matter how silly or sexist that argument may be) with an insult.

    And for this, I am labelled as a spammer.

    I am willing to accept that this was all a misunderstanding, but it stinks of elitism. It seems to me that the first step in eliminating childishness and petty insults in a debate is to do so yourself. Set an example.

  35. I’ve never understood the ppl who HATE the overweight. My theory is that they see it as superficial, easily solved “problem” compared with the more prevalent unseen issues and they just can’t understand why you aren’t “solving” it yesterday

    I’ve never understood why someone would “care” about a stranger who isn’t hurting anyone else SO much

  36. I suppose I shouldn’t encourage the little rat to keep pressing the bar by rewarding him…

    c’mon, zuzu, don’t insult our rodent friends like that!

  37. I’ve never understood the ppl who HATE the overweight

    There is also that element of fear, “omigod, what if I become overweight one day?” There is the, “omigod, having a few extra pounds is *so* unfashionable, what if my ‘cool’ friends reject me if I go up a size?” I see it both men and women, actually.

    When I was seriously, seriously underweight, and having health problems because of it, I was a huge fat-shamer. It took me a while to realize that the problem was *mine*. It had everything to do with me and my insecurities. Funnily enough, when I got to a healthy weight, my outlook on the human body in general started to get healthier as well.

  38. Roxie – have you ever thought that it might be fear? We live in a world where it is very easy to become overweight. We work at desks and most foods on the shelves have high fat contents. We have to exercise frequently or we will start gaining.

    Combine this with the stigma of being fat in the media and you get a whole population obsessed with weight and terrified of gaining. They hate those who are overweight because they can see how easily they could become overweight themselves. Fat people are a constant reminder of what they could be, causing all sorts of guilt.

    So they try to explain it away. They say “well, I exercise twice a week so I don’t become like that. I push myself and I am not overweight, that means you don’t!” so the blame-game starts.

  39. Our blog, our discretion.

    The verb you missed was “think.”

    And the posting of personal information with the intent that a poster even a troll, be stalked (what other reason to post it, other than is a threat?) is not morally neutral. I’m not saying it’s never acceptable, but especially given what’s happened to zuzu (the Ann Bartow flap) and Jill (the Autoadmit stalkers), I’m surprised there apparently hasn’t been much thought given to whether they should do it to begin with.

    — ACS

  40. Er,t he verb I missed was ‘think,’ rather. That wasn’t supposed to be as confrontational as it came off.

    — ACS

  41. ACS, I think Zuzu’s–and Jill’s–reasoning is that Milorad isn’t all that different from the Autoadmit types. He’s a harasser, and a vile one, and his tenure as an aspiring commenter here is longer and more developed than the commentariat knows. I see no problem with removing his online anonymity, especially given the very slight likelihood that he will face any offline danger because of it.

  42. piny —

    What’s the intent of revealing his personal information, if not explicitly to expose him to offline danger?

    — ACS

  44. Spetsnaz agents who’ve had their eyes opened by feminism and also are intent on starting an international incident out of sheer boredom?

  45. Just to be clear, I am not that person. On another article, one of the bloggers here had posted an argument by some guy and followed most of the points he made by calling him a “douche” (or something to that effect, I’m afraid I can’t find the post now). While I agree with your stance and I think he was being what one might call a “douche” (or whatever other insulting term), I do not feel comfortable with the idea that you (whichever one of you had posted that article) were resorting to petty name-calling when there was so much in the guy’s article to criticise in a mature and thoughtful way. This is especially true when other posts are made condemning those who resort to just calling Anne Coulter “ugly” or “anorectic.”

    It’s childish to name-call, so I said this. I posted in your comment that it was not “mature” to respond to someone’s argument (no matter how silly or sexist that argument may be) with an insult.

    And for this, I am labelled as a spammer.

    I am willing to accept that this was all a misunderstanding, but it stinks of elitism. It seems to me that the first step in eliminating childishness and petty insults in a debate is to do so yourself. Set an example.

    What are you talking about? This doesn’t have anything to do with you. M. is another name used by milo/milorad/mark.

    And I checked your previous comments, and I don’t see where you chided anyone here for calling anyone a douche. Are you sure you have the right blog?

  47. What’s the intent of revealing his personal information, if not explicitly to expose him to offline danger?

    So that when he shows up on other feminist blogs–as he already does–it’ll be a lot easier for them to figure him out right away?

    Like zuzu said, I think it’s doubtful that anyone will track him down in the Ukraine; this is so that he’s easier to identify as that asshole who’s posting from the Ukraine.

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