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You gotta love any story that involves the phrase “rebellious ex-nuns”

And it’s kind of a doozy, too.

KAZIMIERZ DOLNY, Poland (AP) — Police evicted 65 rebellious ex-nuns Wednesday from a convent they illegally occupied for two years after defying a Vatican order to replace their mother superior, a charismatic leader who had religious visions.

The defeated nuns walked out in their black habits — some carrying guitars, drums and tambourines — after a locksmith opened the gate to the walled compound and police in riot gear rushed in and arrested the mother superior. A former Franciscan friar who had locked himself away with the nuns also was taken into custody.

Several nuns, many of whom appeared to be in their 20s, screamed at police, calling them ”servants of Satan,” as they were escorted out and into waiting buses.

God forbid that a bunch of nuns might have some opinions on who to follow:

The women took over the convent in Kazmierz Dolny in eastern Poland in rebellion against a Vatican order in 2005 to replace Jadwiga Ligocka as mother superior.

”They were disobedient,” said Mieczyslaw Puzewicz, a spokesman for the Lublin diocese of the Roman Catholic Church. The Vatican formally expelled the women from their Sisters of Bethany order last year, but has revealed almost nothing about the dispute.

The problem, apparently, is that Ligocka has become a powerful figure to these nuns. Er, ex-nuns. Because once you start being disobedient, you have no place in the Catholic Church hierarchy.

The Vatican likes its female saints tractable, self-sacrificing, and most importantly, obedient. And it likes them to inspire obedience in others. And to refrain from having dangerous and unsanctioned thoughts:

Lublin Archbishop Jozef Zycinski called the police operation a last resort meant to help the ex-nuns.

”Today’s police intervention was a sort of act of desperate aid for people who for the past two years have lived in very unusual conditions, in a closed environment, in seclusion, in uncertainty, where various forms of thought take shape,” the PAP news agency quoted Zycinski as saying.

”One could clearly see that tension and aggression during today’s intervention.”

Far be it from me to take religious visions at face value, or to ascribe any sort of divine power to them. But I thought that visions were supposed to be a good thing, what with Mary busily appearing in trees, chocolate, windows, pretzels, underpasses and grilled cheese sandwiches (though I *still* maintain that it’s Jean Harlow in the grilled cheese sandwich), pizza pans, among other, traditional locales like fountains and pastures.

Turns out, the Church fathers seem to be uncomfortable with unsanctioned visions (i.e., any visions that didn’t happen a hundred or more years ago and which haven’t been officially recognized), and more importantly, with the allure that Ligocka had for the women who followed her into the convent:

Mother Jadwiga is a charismatic figure who claimed to have religious visions and was reportedly attempting to transform the convent into a contemplative order.

The Lublin diocese hinted at that portrait in a statement on its Web site that said: ”Mother Jadwiga’s private revelations, and the fact that she made it a guideline to stick by them, caused unease to the Congregation.”

The Vatican, which has authority over all convents, has traditionally been wary of people claiming visions, in part fearing others could be drawn in.

Guess they don’t like anyone working their side of the street.


17 thoughts on You gotta love any story that involves the phrase “rebellious ex-nuns”

  1. Actually, this story is typical of many mystics throughout the ages, of both genders… It’s also a common story in several different religious traditions, not just Christianity. The traditional bureaucratic institutional types are usually hostile to the mystics, who claim a higher authority, and who often have a take on things that threatens the established order in some way.

    But I don’t want to interfere with the anti-Catholic boilerplate, so never mind.

  2. I’m not sure how this is really different from some fundy Baptist psycho surrounding himself with a bunch of young men who are personally loyal to him. This could as easily be a story about a dangerous cult as about patriarchal oppression. Hard to know for sure without all the details, but I know how different it would look if this were a bunch of 20-something men following some sort of religious visionary in rural Alabama.

  3. Wasn’t there some Bible story about a man who was healing and casting out demons in Jesus’s name, and Jesus’s deciples complained to him about it, and he told them off to the tune of “he’s doing it in my name and that uplifts me, so let him keep up the good work” or something like that?

  4. libdevil,

    As long as the men weren’t doing what male-centered cults most frequently seem to do (collect firearms and oppress women), I’m not going to stress about them. Ditto for the nuns.

  5. The Vatican likes its female saints tractable, self-sacrificing, and most importantly, obedient.

    I’m not sure how, say, Joan of Arc would fit that model, except for the self-sacrificing part.

  6. Well, you’ll note that they sold Joan out, which is why she ended up burned at the stake. Nowadays, of course, she’s not such a threat, what with having been dead for hundreds of years.

  7. As for the sacred pretzel, I had to laugh like hell when I read, “Crista is hoping the bids will reach $1,000 so she can buy a horse.” in reference to selling the pretzel on Ebay.

    Those Catholics get all the fun. My Methodist Sunday school teachers always told me that praying for a new pony was selfish and that God wasn’t interested in making material donations on my behalf.

    Apparently wishing monetary gain from a religious icon or praying to stumps, chocolate and window panes is preferable to actual to women organizing peaceful religious action.

  8. If of course that religious action isn’t supporting oppression, to which I say, let the fundies and the Vatican have their own island where they can roast eachother and naw eachother’s bones.

  9. But I don’t want to interfere with the anti-Catholic boilerplate, so never mind.

    I’ll be sure to let my aunt, Sister Mary Louise, know that the problems that her own order has had with Vatican authority messing around with them are merely the result of anti-Catholic boilerplate.

    Yeah, I know that religious authorities don’t like mystics. But pay attention to the particular language used by the Archbishop and priests. They refer to the nuns as recalcitrant children. Which is not altogether unlike how they treat nuns under the best of circumstances.

  10. It’s OK to have visions, but why did the Mother Superior refuse to give up control of her nuns? The Church has room for only one cult leader.

    In business terms: The head office sent a troubleshooter to take charge and figure out what was going on. The branch manager who claimed to be receiving visions from the Holy Spirit told the troubleshooter to get lost. Things got to the point where the head office fired the rebels, who stayed put even after their gas and electricity were cut off. Over the summer newspapers reported the rebels planned to commit mass suicide if they were evicted. Finally the head office evicted the rebels from the branch office, including a sinisterly charismatic man.

  11. The Chruch has always had a very uneasy relationship with any sort of mystism – by it’s nature mystism deals with a person’s direct connection to the godhead – or disco ball or whatever – and that sort of connection renders the whole firm – Priests churches rules etc redundant – why listen to a priest when you’re talking to god?

  12. I think the “ex-nuns” label is inappropriate. Unless this is grossly misreported, they are still nuns. They may no longer be sanctioned by the Catholic Church, but that doesn’t change what they are doing.

    It’s like the folks who decided that if someone else doesn’t agree with their take on things, they get to delare them “non-Christian” no matter what the people in question say about themselves.

  13. I’m not sure how, say, Joan of Arc would fit that model, except for the self-sacrificing part.

    It’s not like they didn’t kill her (execution by burning like any other witch) after excommunicating her first. It took them about 500 years to make her a saint.

  14. Unless this is grossly misreported, they are still nuns

    Their order kicked them out. Their sanctioning body revoked their sanction. They’re still nuns in the way that a disbarred lawyer is still a lawyer.

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