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Sometimes I feel like I’ve used up all of my good opinions: An Oldie but Goodie

After spending years on internet bulletin boards, and more than a year and a half of blogging, I’ve found that sometimes I feel that I’ve just used up all of my good opinions. It seems like all of my clever insights have pretty much played themselves out, and I can’t think of anything else to add until some politician does something embarassing, and I can shame them for it.

So while I’m oh-so-conveniently experiencing just that feeling, I thought I’d repost and oldie-but-goodie from October 2006. Be warned that it takes on the subject of degrading and even violent pornography, but mostly attempts to deal with the ways freedom of speech and protection from exploitation could interact. I’ve edited the post from its original form, mostly to get rid of grammatical and other errors.

Avoiding repetitive strain injuries on the set of Handjob Honeys 8

I appreciate Amanda Marcotte’s characterization of the recent rule institution at Spanish fashion shows of a minimum BMI (Body Mass Index) for models:

…there’s apparently been a lot of hand-wringing over the increasing skinniness of fashion models after some countries have taken it upon themselves to pass entirely sensible worker safety regulations demanding that models have BMIs that are considered not overly underweight. People are worried to death that this is some kind of slap at free speech or what have you, but since the impetus for the laws was a supermodel who starved herself to death, the truth of the matter is this is basically a necessary protection for the workers so that their employers can’t demand they sacrifice their health in order to keep their jobs.

That sounds just about right. These women are working for wages after all, and it is plainly exploitative to demand they choose between their safety and their meal-ticket (which they ironically won’t need as much if they do land the job).

I’m reminded of a conversation I got into a few months back on a very similar issue where people tend to view the exploitation of women in the context of free speech and not worker safety: pornography. SugarBank, a porn-centered blog, recently discussed (careful, link very porny and not safe for work) the tension between exploitation and freedom of expression when it comes to violent and extremely degrading pornography. It began with an intraindustry discussion about simulating violence and degradation versus the various (and really, not that convincing) reasons to film it actually happening. Sam says:

Halcyon makes it clear that while most people see porn as pure entertainment, a minority use it to vindicate their ideas, making any judgement against the porn they like a comment on their lifestyle. If we take steps to limit what’s done on video, Halcyon sees her his private life as next inline for censorship. It’s a trap for the industry that pornographers are complicit in building.

Hollywood is allowed to portray anything it can imagine as long as performers are protected. If we need an actor in a movie to drink a bottle of vodka we replace the alcohol with water and ask them to act. Porn’s reluctance to embrace simulation, ironically in an industry where orgasms, pleasure and names are all routinely faked, makes the debate about extreme porn a referendum on people’s personal predilections. We should be able to take risks in our own lives which we don’t tolerate being forced on the people who entertain us.

Commenter Aurelius is also worried about the light extreme porn casts run-of-the-mill porn in:

So, we’ve pretty much agreed that the assaultive, coercive porn is at least potentially harmful to consumers as well as participants, that consumers of this type material are probably troubled although most don’t go on to become predators ala Bundy, Gacy, Dahmer or the BTK killer, that there may be a valid reason or reasons to supress this type material, and that stopping it is probably impossible. What we can’t quite figure out is whether the mainstream can or ought to try to accept standards or to self-impose standards, a point beyond which they will not go.

I responded:

See, I find it more useful to think of this in the context of safety at the workplace, less than an issue of free speech. While it mixes both issues, the porn biz is more of a money-driven industry than a collective of artists trying to get the word out. There aren’t a lot of people starving so that people will truly understand the message of their being pegged on-screen after all. I’ve heard a little about OSHA-like standards being enforced on a sort of volunteer-basis amongst some production companies, but why shouldn’t it be regulated by OSHA itself? If “pornographer” is an occupation, shouldn’t it meet with occupational safety and health standards?

Unfortunately, Aurelius’ motivation to regulate degrading and violent porn is to make sure he can still obtain the sort he feels comfortable with , so I found his eventual thinking to be a little too small. I think he’s wrong to think that we can (or should?) do nothing to regulate the production of such harmful types of pornography; I think that the labor angle is the way to do it. It is absolutely important to maintain the right to free speech, but your right does not extend to where you are speaking through another. If you’re paying someone to be hurt on screen, you’re making them do the heavy lifting for your speech and introducing an element of economic coercion to boot. After all, you can’t force your employees to stand on the “not a step” of a ladder so as to express yourself. If you can get your friends to do it for free, that’s another issue, and I have to wonder where you’ll get such dumbass friends. But, to each his own. I can only surmise that exploitative and harmful pornography isn’t seen in this light due to women’s bodies being controlled by men being a social norm, but maybe that’s my inner cynical feminist talking. (Being inner, cynical, and feminist doesn’t make her wrong, though, does it?)


6 thoughts on Sometimes I feel like I’ve used up all of my good opinions: An Oldie but Goodie

  1. I think one of the weird things about sex work is that the standards it may violate are going to be different from person to person, because what constitutes violation or unacceptable intimacy will be different from person to person. Everyone’s got a different comfort threshold and that becomes very very obvious when working close to the edge of whatever yours is.

    There are people willing to be pinched and paddled, but not willing to have vanilla sex on camera, and vice versa. And then there are many, many people who simply don’t want to have sex on film for money. These constitute the majority. So to impose a majority labor standard on porn is obviously problematic — most people don’t want to have sex on film, so when the job is having sex on film, how do we find a general standard? I mean, I guess it can occupy a category of outre labor along with fishing in Alaska and being an acrobat and other oddball or high-risk occupations; though porn is less high-risk than fishing in Alaska it’s probably about as oddball as being an acrobat, in that most average people off the street would not be suitable hires. I don’t know enough about government regulation of occupations, but if you refuse to apply for jobs with dangerous or abnormal working conditions, can you get an unemployment check?

    Majority labor standards pose their own set of problems. Eight to five are normal working hours, judged sane and acceptable and healthy — which is great for those who can hack it, but I have a sleep disorder, meaning I’m probably going to wind up sleeping a maximum of twenty to twenty-five hours in a work week on those hours, and various of my normal immune processes shut down when I do that. It’s kind of scary. This drastically limits the number of jobs I can go look for, and when I try to explain it, people tend to think I’m lazy. I can’t really say, looking at all the people around me, that working eight to five is an outre, unacceptable labor condition that no one should be forced to accept. I can say that I really can’t force myself to accept it, at least not until they come up with a pill that makes my circadian rhythms work normally.

    Posit:

    1. No one should be forced to accept a working condition that’s bad for their physical or mental health.

    2. There are degrees of bad. There’s kinda sorta bad and then there’s really bad.

    3. “What’s good for the goose is not always good for the gander.”

    4. Certain normal working conditions can definitively be stated to be bad for the majority of people (porn, fishing in Alaska) but not every person finds these conditions bad, and for any given non-majority normal working condition, there will be a rare few people who find it ideal. An example would be: for me, the graveyard shift.

    5. There are things that happen on the job that are not normal working conditions (someone dies, someone is badly injured, someone is infected with HIV, someone rapes someone else. “Minor infliction of pain” has precedents as a potentially normal working condition; “severe bodily injury” has precedents as not ever a normal working condition.) Any job with a high likelihood of these incidents needs to consider the risk to be a working condition, and plan accordingly as far as both lessening the risk and compensating for it.

    …This is a totally unfinished thought, but that’s blog comments for you. Love to see what others have to say, etc.

  2. Sara, that’s the best explanation for blog burnout I’ve seen. I feel the exact same way. Maybe I need to get a new set of beliefs, or a new personality, or make a big cross-country move, or have a religious conversion; but is it ethical to do those things just so I’ll have something to blog about?

  3. It is absolutely important to maintain the right to free speech, but your right does not extend to where you are speaking through another. If you’re paying someone to be hurt on screen, you’re making them do the heavy lifting for your speech and introducing an element of economic coercion to boot. After all, you can’t force your employees to stand on the “not a step” of a ladder so as to express yourself. If you can get your friends to do it for free, that’s another issue,

    I’m not so sure thats a workable standard, mostly because you would have to generalize it. Sure, it seems like a great standard for the extremes that porn represents, but it would cripple the film industry. Take a stunt person, for instance. The risks they face when filming a scene are often times greater than what you’d find on a porn set. They’re being asked to get hurt on camera for money in the name of someone else’s art. The only difference between a stunt woman being thrown from a car after a chase scene and a porn star participating in an SM sequence is context.

    I think pro-wrestling is a pretty good analog. Like pornography, calling wrestling art is a stretch. Like extreme porn, wrestling focuses on people being hurt for entertainment, with the level of simulation varying widely from performance to performance. Nearly all of the people who work in that business are employees, doing what they do for money. While the vast majority of the violence is staged, there are many instances when the performers are asked to actually sustain the kind of injuries you’d see in extreme SM. People cut themselves so they’ll bleed for the camera, real thumb-tacks and barbed wire are sometimes used in “hardcore” matches, hard slaps are traded because they make a lot of noise but don’t actually injure, and the entire idea of the performance is to mimic blunt trauma.

    Still, the men and women who wrestle not only consent to the activities, but worked for years to break into the business. Most of them take on this line of work because they enjoy it, though many of the older performers work because they don’t know how to do anything else. Should we use worker’s rights laws to take away their livelihood, to protect them from themselves?

    Where do you draw the line, how do you decide in what context violence and risk on the job is acceptable and in what context it is not. More importantly, how do you make sure that the definitions you set to deal with disgusting porn don’t begin ripple outwards. How do you mitigate unintended consequences?

  4. William, I think that’s a false analogy. Someone in an S&M scene is definitely going to get hurt as part of their job, whereas a stunt person is only taking a risk of getting hurt if something goes wrong, which is a type of risk lots of different workers have to face. A stage actor who has to take a faked punch is running the risk of their fellow actor messing up and actually making contact, but that’s not the same thing as asking them to really take a punch every night. The latter would be the equivalent of what porn actors are doing now.

  5. Sycorax: That isn’t exactly true. Stunt people are expected to get hurt but, like professional wrestlers, are trained and paid to make it look much worse than it actually is. If your job is to be thrown from a car, you’re going to end up bruised. If you spend a day taking faked punches, some of them are going to connect. The sheer number of instances guarantees that you’re going to get injured, even if that isn’t the intent.

    I absolutely agree that someone working in violent porn is going to get hurt in ways that I find pretty unacceptable. My point was that the reason I find it unacceptable has less to do with someone getting hurt for money and more to do with the context in which they are getting hurt. S&M is always going to disturb me far more than a boxing match. The problem is that I’m not really sure how to create a worker regulation scheme that mitigates the danger present in the harder side of porn but doesn’t accidentally ban otherinherently injurious jobs.

  6. It does not , in fact, make her wrong. I can’t find pornography (drawn or animated; I think the stuff involving real bodies is gross) that caters to my interests. People take incredible license, especially with drawing, where porn is concerned and often the things they say through it is wrong or harmful and casts them in a depraved light.

    I don’t think this has to be the case with pornographic material. Like any other occupation, it should be regulated. But like everything else in our society, where ever women are involved, especially economically or socially disadvantaged women, things like exploitation are often overlooked.

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