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the quaint and the queer

Right. Here’s a left turn; some of it’s remixed, and some of it’s not.

I’m queer as hell. I think we’ve established this. The other thing I am, though–and it’s a big part of my identity, much as I’ve kicked at it–is small-town.

Neither of those is going away. The thing I’ve discovered, though, is that it’s not just my rural-ness that makes my queer-ness problematic; the trouble and pressure and nonsense go both ways.

I come from a pretty good-sized place in the middle of nowhere–three hours drive, in the good directions, to the nearest population center–with everything from the corner soda fountain to split-rail fences to tumbleweeds. It’s grown since I’ve left, of course; so have I. It was an awful place to grow up queer, let me tell you.

This is the sort of place where “gay” is used as an insult, but so are “Mexican” and “Jew”–where, when the city went to add orientation as a protected status to its hate-crimes legislation, the Chamber of Commerce moved to block it–where a neoconservative megachurch practically runs both local government and public schools. It’s a place where my high school Gay-Straight Alliance had to ally with the rest of the tri-county area, and then the ten of us would meet, at night, in the locked back room of the Planned Parenthood. “Feminist” and “Liberal” are dirty, dirty words.

It may surprise you to hear that I kind of miss it.

Okay. Hear me out.

I grew up in a place it was dangerous to grow up queer. Kids got the hell beat out of them if they were out, got spit on in the hallways, got targeted for constant harassment. I probably would not be safe walking down the street there today, and I don’t visit any more.

But I’m not city people. I’m just not. I like the art galleries, and the chance to go to the opera, maybe. I like having a place other than Denny’s open past sundown. I like the diversity of people I live among, I like not being one of ten brown people in a twenty-mile radius, dear God I like the food. But I’m not city people. I have adapted to my urban life, and there is much of it I love, but it does not come naturally.

I’m used to wide reaches of sky. I’m used to mountains and trees on every horizon, and rivers you can wade in ten minutes’ hike away, and dirt roads where you can get out and sit on your truck’s hood for an hour without bothering anyone or being bothered back. I’m used to wild animals in the backyard, darkness so deep you can see the Milky Way, a downtown you can’t possibly get lost in, and a whole lot less cement.

Like those hole-in-the-sidewalk trees, I just wilt, when it comes to cement.

It’s not just that, though. It’s the people. The people have their problems, of course; can’t be denied. Thing is, when you walk down the street, folks wave and make eye contact. You will always find someone you know, if you’re in town.

Not easy to be deviant, sure. Not easy to be welcomed in. Thing is, though? Those of us out there knew each other, and we were back-to-back. We had to be, because our lives were, to some degree, at risk. It’s a thing I noticed sharply a couple years back when I worked out in the rural valley surrounding the city I live in. When I came across, say, a lesbian couple on a homestead out there? We’d look each other up and down, breathe out carefully, and suddenly they’d be getting a discount and I’d be getting a tip, and we did our best to do right by each other, no questions asked. And whoever I was working with would always ask, “…did you know those people?”

It is a luxury to me, a vast luxury, to meet queer folks I don’t like. We didn’t have that option where I came from. You had the one thing in common, you stuck together and had each other’s backs, because your options everywhere else are “closet” and “token.” We emigrate to the cities for a reason–because the bizarre, spies-behind-enemy-lines solidarity we have to have outside them is eventually exhausting, and “survival” isn’t how a person ought to live. Here, in a huge community, we can be as nasty to each other as we like, because we have made ourselves a safe enough space to divide amongst ourselves, to associate with people with whom we have common interests or ideas. It’s a godsend, of course. But it lacks that embattled urgency, that sense of needing to stick together and keep working to change things. The reaction to a Pride festival is “bored now.” Been there, done that. For me, it’s still revolutionary to see people out on the street with their families and unafraid, still gorgeous and new and wonderful and yes, just a little frightening.

We’re another subspecies, us rural queers. See, our small towns are hard on us, yes, but so are our queer communities. The default culture is an urban one, and it’s assumed–well, why would you stay in a town or a church or a country that didn’t welcome you? Why wouldn’t you come to the city? Isn’t the city better? Better culture, better hangouts, better imagery, better people? We didn’t have our own subculture, back home, with its own parallel institutions. Small towns can make you ashamed and isolated for who you love and what you are; why should the places we run to sneer at our accents and our clothes and our food and our music, in turn? Yeah, if you have the resources to run to the city, you probably do–but some don’t, and others are attached to their roots, their families, their cultural trappings, the dirt and sky and rock of where they live. Sometimes a deep love of place comes first. But still, our mainstream queer organizations and publications and politics focus on city people and city concerns, and just assume that the countryside is going to be a conservative cesspit, nothing to be done about it. For some of us, the country is home, even though we’re refugees, and we would love for it to change so we could live there safely, but we’re just demographic anomalies, apparently.

Look, I love that there’s two gay bars in walking distance from my house. I love that my neighborhood, until recently, had an amazing women’s bookstore, and even Al-Anon has a weekly LGBT meeting blocks from here. But this isn’t home, for me, and while it’s where I have to be because of the culture, I keep pulling toward that forest and desert and open road. I will adapt to cities, but they’re not home.

This assumption that queer folk are city folk is just not working. It isolates and abandons those of us out in the sticks making lives work, and it isolates those of us in cities, with its implicit message that if you venture out past the metro area without a helmet, you’ll dissolve. It limits our causes to just working for those of us all clustered together while the rest of the state fears and misunderstands what we’re about. It just ratchets up our ability to sneer.

I don’t know what the answer is. I don’t think it’s anyone’s duty to go stick it out where they’re not welcome until it changes. But it’s time we embrace more diversity in the communities we inhabit, one way or another–or we’ll be, as someone smugly, approvingly informed me after all those anti-gay-marriage bills went through, an archipelago of city islands we like. And that’s never going to be okay with me. We can’t win the fight, politically or socially, if we only pay attention to the cities.  It’s more than that, though:  I think we need all those places, even if only some of us want to actually be in them.  I think we need wide open spaces, too. I think we ought to be able to move between cities without having to hide in airplanes. I think, in every profession and walk of life, country music and hipster indie-rock, we ought to be alongside our neighbors. We ought to wave and smile to people we don’t really know on the street, because they’re Family. My small town can learn a lot from my queer community. And my queer community can learn a lot from my small town.


34 thoughts on the quaint and the queer

  1. This is something I didn’t expect. I had always thought that the advantage to growing up in a small town was that everyone knew you, and had either watched you growing up or had grown up along side of you. Heck, I would have expected a good chunk of the town to be related to you. Either way, I would have expected the people who knew you to accept you for what you were, even if they didn’t necessarily approve of it: When you’re forced to interact with the same few people all the time, with no expectation of anyone’s leaving, you learn to get along with them, and accept their individual differences. And even if they couldn’t accept it, your being gay was no skin off their ass, as my father used to say. Thus they had no occasion to beat you up.

  2. WOW, I relate to this SO very much. I will respond in a more coherent manner when I am not so very intoxicated, but I just want to say now THANK YOU, thank you, thank you, for writing about being queer in a rural area which is so hard, I don’t think people from metropolitan areas can ever understand.

  3. So true. I’m from a city that’s parochial, but not rural, so it’s half and half.

    While I wouldn’t romanticise isolation or being hated on by majority conservatives, I do value some attitudes of my people from smaller communities in approaching life as community, rather than a scene. The different pace of life too, helps with some types of organising.

    It comes back to perenial issues of individual indentity and freedoms vs. collective unity i guess. But my parochial straight relatives and urban political queer ones aren’t as different in their views as they sometimes assume, and they could learn from each other.

  4. After I read this, I scrolled back up to check the listed author, as I wanted to make sure I hadn’t written this in my sleep.
    I totally understand everything you said here, as if they were my own words.
    People are frequently startled when I say things that indicate that I don’t look at my rural upbringing with scorn. People act shocked when I tell the story about the time that a cow wandered into the cafeteria during lunchtime in high school (no really! it happened!) in a tone of voice other than “oh, those ignorant country people.” People get shocked when my accent becomes more pronounced and I don’t apologize for it.
    Yes, I don’t live there any more. Yes, it might be years before I live there again. Gotta get my education, after all. But I would like, someday, to find that special lady, move to a small town, and settle down. Is that gonna happen? Maybe, maybe not. I hope it will.
    But it is who I am. I can identify the livestock of farms I’ve never seen at night by smell. I know how to fish. I say “y’all” in a non-ironic yuppie fashion. My fashion sense, by big-city standards, is “country pathetic.”
    And I’m queer. I’m here, I’m out, and I’m proud. And I’m country. In all honesty, I get more crap when I go back home for being a geek and a nerd, liking Classical music and not being Republican than I do for being a lesbian.
    The queer community seems to think (as far as I can tell) that there are out-and-proud queer people who live in the city, closet cases, and Brokeback Mountain-type idiots who don’t know to go to the city when they should and thus live horrible half-lives. I don’t belong in the big city. There is a reason I don’t. I live just outside a smallish city, thank you very much, and that’s pushing it.
    Thanks very much for posting this. You articulated my feelings more eloquently than I ever could.

  5. It is a luxury to me, a vast luxury, to meet queer folks I don’t like. We didn’t have that option where I came from.

    Word. Those queers that live in rural areas are really radical to me, because it’s an act of activism just to simply live. Add the isolation from “traditional” (if that can be said) queer, city culture, and the pressure can be overwhelming. That being said, I’ve even known one or two queer people to move to the rural midwest as an act of activism. One was a nurse, the other is a librarian. They were both some of the most dedicated activists that I’ve known.

    I come from the Midwest originally, and the city, as much as I love the energy, just isn’t the same. I still find myself wanting to go back and longing for the type of community that I had. Still, I wonder how many queers found their rural community in the institutions (i.e. mega-church) that expelled them. When I find myself longing for that community I always realize that what I want came out of the structure of church three times a week, bake sales for the christian school, plays for various holidays, large scale garage sales, etc. And as a queer, I wouldn’t be welcome at all.

    Thank you so much for writing this post.

  6. Amazing. I’m a transplanted small-towner myself, and what you write about rural homesickness really rings true.

    (Have you read Eli Clare’s essays on rural queer community in Exile and Pride?)

  7. A queer rural Oregonian myself, I can more than relate. But it sounds as if my little pocket of the beaver state was perhaps more welcoming than yours. I can and do still go back, and it’s actually a very real possibility that I could move back with a partner and raise kids where I grew up.

    I think what I miss from home is that my good name means nothing out here. There was a time that people might look at me a little askance at first (and definitely would now, what with the lip piercing and all) but as soon as they found out who my parents were, everything was just dandy. Particularly if they also happened to be sheep people. But out here on the other coast, nobody cares who my father is because he’s just a farmer out in the sticks. I’m trading on my Ivy League credentials more than I’d like to because that’s all everyone new asks–where did you go, who do you know, what do you do.

    Anyway. I could ramble on and maybe I should over at my place… but all I’m saying is check out the southern part of the state sometime. And you’d have a couple of friends in Idaho if you ever traversed out that way–my dad may have a lot of guns, but he also wrote a letter to the Statesman about how wrong the same-sex marriage ban is.

  8. LL —

    I’m a city girl to the marrow of my bones, but I went to college in a smaller town, and that’s where I came into the SM community.

    I hate being a sadomasochist in the city for the same exact reason. In the country the other pervs were your people no matter what. Even the folk you hated were your kin, kind of like that awful, nasty relative no one can stand but you can’t bring yourself to completely despise.

    Here it’s… different. And I miss that a lot.

  9. Indeed. I wrote my own take on this situation a while ago when I did a quasireview of Brokeback Mt. As Little Light says, though, the problem is how to ameliorate this situation. In my experience, urban queer communities are fragmented, and more interested in their differences than in their similarities. And the towns are reactionary in self-defense against the cities and the endless suburban takeover. Heck, I was raised in the country, moved to the city, and I adore it. Now I’m in a job in a town, far from any urban area. Given how many years I’ve been a token now, I’m honestly not sure what kind of community I’d find, if I returned to an urban area. In my experience, the checklist of queerness required for acceptance within the community(ies?) in urban areas brooks little independence of spirit- which is precisely what it takes to survive out here. What to do? Rural queers are the minority of the minority- the literal country cousins of our urban family, and just as likely to be written off.

  10. Funny thing, I’m a lesbian growing up in a Nebraska town of fewer than fifty thousand people, a good portion of them military thanks to the nearby Base.

    I can’t wait to escape, and I hope to never look back. Suburbia’s never been home to me, and niether has the “country.” Both make me more uncomfortable than anything else. And as terrified as I am by the fact that in less than two weeks I’ll be leaving for a college the size of my whole town–I’m looking forward to being able to tell everyone here to go fuck themselves, to make something of myself, and to prove them all wrong about me. And if I ever come back, it’ll be to rub their noses in the fact that yes, I am worth something.

    I really can’t fathom actually missing the small-town thing.

    But then again, I’m looking forward to going somewhere where I won’t get spat on when I go out because I happen to like girls.

  11. It’s really interesting you bring this up. I often wonder why anyone, gay or straight, would want to live in a rural setting, and while I don’t think I am ever going to try ‘get’ it, this wee piece does definitely help.

    I adore the city, to the point where I swear my veins require a degree of carbon-monoxide and sulphur-dioxide in them to work correctly 😉

    I love living in an urban space. The diversity, the density, the wonderful mixing of multitudes of people that look, act, sound, behave differently. If I am out in rural, or even suburban, space too long, how spread out things are, together with the lack of noise, just makes me feel uncomfortable. I smile whenever I hear my first siren wailing after coming back home after a while. They city has a life, a beat, like a living thing, that pulses underneath and inside you, that just charges me. I love at being able to walk everywhere. You guys don’t even have sidewalks in some places! 😉

    There is nothing like the time just after dawn on a fall morning in the city, as things are waking up, and starting to move, the different parts of it slowly pushing up and about, like the stiff parts of one big organism. The crisp air stinging at your face, your espresso steaming as the rumble of the living city gets stronger under you.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love the mountains, and I love the ocean, and need to get out to them as often as possible. But I couldn’t do that if my base weren’t in the city; that I have the city to come back to. As to the suburbs, those were a huge mistake that I hope our species rectifies as soon as possible.

    As a femme lesbian, I particularly love the city because I can be femme here. The group dynamics in smaller settings enacts a far stronger communal component to identity and identity presentation, than an individual one. But the size of communities in urban spaces allows for individualistic and pluralistic presentations of identity, even within a subgroup. I can be who I am far more easily here in the city, than I could ever be in smaller settings. I love that … not to mention a way larger dating pool.

    As to the focus in our queer communities as urban … well, yes there are rural queer, and I have to give them props for living, and continuing to live, where they are. However, the fact of the matter is our population IS urban (hell, according to the social science, even our existence comes through urban space historically). I wish I knew a solution that would better serve both.

  12. If you haven’t already read it, you might be interested in Farm Boys: Lives of Gay Men from the Rural Midwest by Will Fellows. I haven’t read it myself, but I have seen some reviews of it and it’s been well-received from what I can tell.

    It’s based on Fellows’ interviews of gay men who grew up in rural places, and Fellows is clearly trying to give voice to those queer men who feel as you do, little light: that their rural experiences have been an integral part of their own identities. What Sarah says here struck me:

    As to the focus in our queer communities as urban … well, yes there are rural queer, and I have to give them props for living, and continuing to live, where they are. However, the fact of the matter is our population IS urban (hell, according to the social science, even our existence comes through urban space historically). I wish I knew a solution that would better serve both.

    It’s precisely this view that Fellows is challenging in Farm Boys. Fellows is himself a gay man who grew up in a rural area, and he is attempting to address the gaps in our understanding of gay rural life and he is arguing that such life isn’t something that these men merely endured, hoping for an escape to the cities of the east and west coasts, but a life they embraced and in so doing, have established and maintained gay culture all over the country, and not just in urban spaces.

    Which is not to say Sarah’s wrong, but rather that the literature in queer/gay studies is shifting some of the spacial settings of gay life.

  13. such life isn’t something that these men merely endured, hoping for an escape to the cities of the east and west coasts, but a life they embraced and in so doing, have established and maintained gay culture all over the country, and not just in urban spaces.

    Ah, Linnaeus hon, that’s not quite what I am speaking to here.

    It’s fairly well established that the construction of ‘gay’ occurred around the emergence of large numbers of single people that was developing as a urban feature with industrialisation and the arrival of a white-collar urban workforce in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. You have people removed from the constraints of family in terms of expectations of behaviour, combined with a certain urban anonymity, and an increase in an american individualism, and it allowed a particular subculture to develop, one that needed a critical mass of such a demographic in order to emerge.

    This is not to say that there weren’t homosexual people in the rural areas, it’s just that gay as a performance of identity emerged historically out of conditions specific to the urban environment of the time.

  14. Small towns can make you ashamed and isolated for who you love and what you are; why should the places we run to sneer at our accents and our clothes and our food and our music, in turn?

    Yep.

    I’m not queer, but I’m a pinko, feminist, bookish weirdo. So I know what you mean–at least, to a certain extent. I don’t know what it’s like to be beaten and spit on, but I’d do everything I could to defend the people who did get beaten and spit on, and that made me plenty enough of an outsider in my own hometown. I sure do know what it’s like to have an ignorant fool yelling at me in the halls to come over so he could show me, the “granola bitch,” what I “really needed to keep me in line.”

    I know what it’s like to have to steel myself to be a champion for every minority group on the planet whenever I go home, because there are certain relatives who just can’t resist making a show of just how flamboyantly racist, sexist, and homophobjc they can be as soon as they see me. But I also know what it’s like to have city acquaintances deny in shocked horror that I can’t possibly be one of those hillbillies, tell me that the food I eat is “white trash,” and characterize all the people I grew up with as both inbred and stupid.

    It’s hard to be pushed into being a cultural champion, no matter where you are, and to feel as though you don’t truly belong anywhere.

  15. Sarah in Chicago, how would you feel if someone, responding to criticisms of a feminist community as heterocentric, said “Well, yes there are queer feminists, and I have to give them props for living, and continuing to live, how they do. However, the fact of the matter is our population IS heterosexual.” Cause, yknow, ten percent and all.

    Having lived as a rural queer (and now living as an urban queer), I’ve never wanted anybody’s props. I didn’t want pity, or a cookie, or to be looked at like I was some kind of backward oddity, or for someone to marvel at how hard it must have been for to live where and how I did. As I said above, it wasn’t that hard for me–but only because a lot of really brave men and women paved the way. And if they’d had a little more support from urban queers, maybe that road could’ve been paved a little faster.

    A humble question: have you ever really lived in a rural setting? Because I’m glad that you enjoy your life in the city, and that you feel comfortable being who you are there, but please don’t assume that rural life is the opposite of what you have. It isn’t everywhere, and rural settings can actually be very diverse places populated by fascinating individuals.

  16. Sarah:

    It’s fairly well established that the construction of ‘gay’ occurred around the emergence of large numbers of single people that was developing as a urban feature with industrialisation and the arrival of a white-collar urban workforce in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. You have people removed from the constraints of family in terms of expectations of behaviour, combined with a certain urban anonymity, and an increase in an american individualism, and it allowed a particular subculture to develop, one that needed a critical mass of such a demographic in order to emerge.

    Okay, I see where I misunderstood you and to be honest, I’m not familiar with the scholarship to which you are referring.

    What I thought you were implying is that there must be something essentially urban about gay culture, that there must be something “funny” about a rural gay person who doesn’t run from his or her rural existence to the city where he or she can be “truly” gay.

    You weren’t doing that, as I now see. I think a scholar like Fellows, though, saw that the urban paradigm of gay life didn’t quite match up to his own experience and not to that of the gay men he interviewed. So if gay identity, as we understand it today, emerged from urbanization, rural queers have made gay culture their own in such a way that the urban experience is no longer the exclusive environment in which we can understand queers qua queers.

  17. I was pleasantly surprised that Green County, Indiana celebrated its first gay pride picnic this year. Seriously if someplace like Green County, Indiana can support an lgbt group, there are not many places that can’t.

  18. A humble question: have you ever really lived in a rural setting?

    Yup, I spent a chunk of my time growing up in a very small town, and I detested it.

    Because I’m glad that you enjoy your life in the city, and that you feel comfortable being who you are there, but please don’t assume that rural life is the opposite of what you have. It isn’t everywhere, and rural settings can actually be very diverse places populated by fascinating individuals.

    I don’t doubt that, I didn’t say that there couldn’t be. All I said was that these were the things I loved about the city … why do you assume that because I say these things about the city, then it by definition means that the opposite is true of rural areas? Because, you know, I’d really love to see where I did say that.

    You may want to watch that binary thinking a tad.

  19. So if gay identity, as we understand it today, emerged from urbanization, rural queers have made gay culture their own in such a way that the urban experience is no longer the exclusive environment in which we can understand queers qua queers.

    *nods* I completely agree Linneaus, just because gay as an identity evolved in an urban space, it should in NO WAY mean that it should remain so. Hell, for any identity to continue to exist, it MUST evolve … not to mention we do a disservice to our rural queer brothers, sisters, et al, if we do not.

    If anything, the privilege we have in our urban spaces should be the very places to work to ensure the places where that privilege does not exist are changed, rather than setting up defensive enclaves to shut the rest of the world out.

  20. This is a really exciting conversation, I have to say. I can’t get to all of it myself right now, but for the moment, I just wanted to say–this?

    If anything, the privilege we have in our urban spaces should be the very places to work to ensure the places where that privilege does not exist are changed, rather than setting up defensive enclaves to shut the rest of the world out.

    Yes.

  21. *blush* thanks little light … though I have say, doesn’t it seem a tad sad that we have to conceptualise the ability to merely occasionally have something that resembles what straights have everywhere as a matter of course, as a privilege for us urban queers? *sigh*

  22. What does it mean to be a small town kid who got out, got somewhere safe, somewhere anonymous? To me it means the losses that are catalogued so beautifully above.

    And it means that I have a duty to work at the politics and organizing required to make rural spaces more welcoming to queer kids. Because I’m the lucky one, despite the losses; I have chosen to leave behind what I loved about my rural, backward upbringing…but I had the choice. Some don’t.

    I’m continuing to swing away at it, knowing that I have a pretty good life here in the city. It’s hard to sit back and enjoy it. knowing that things are just as bad for queer families in my hometown as things have always been.

  23. Thank you for writing this piece. i’m a lesbian born and raised in North Carolina, and i have a hard time explaining to my Los Angeles friends what exactly it is that i miss about my small hometown in the South.

    “It is a luxury to me, a vast luxury, to meet queer folks I don’t like.” So true. There’s so much cattiness and in-fighting within LA’s myriad queer communities and sub-communities that it boggles my mind. I miss the feeling of solidarity and unwavering support that characterized the smaller LGBT culture i was a part of in NC.

    Thank you.

  24. Sarah, I didn’t actually say you’d said rural life was the opposite–I was giving you the chance to clarify, and hoping it wasn’t what you meant. Because I think if you reread your comment, you might see that a person could interpret it that way. I know that “please don’t assume” sounds a lot like “you’ve assumed,” but they’re not identical.

    I’ll admit that I tend to be very protective of the way I grew up, so my apologies if I sometimes automatically take “Here’s what’s so great about the city” as “Here’s why rural areas suck.” You’re right that it’s not a binary- I’ve gotten used to it being so, particularly out here among them English.

  25. (Being at the gym cleared my head a little…)

    If I could rewrite my earlier comment, it would sound more like this:

    “Sarah, you’re not saying that the things you love about the city don’t exist in the country, right? I’m assuming you’re not, but a person might get that impression from the way you worded things. I’m sorry your rural experiences have been less than awesome. If you’re ever interested in rural places where individualistic and pluralistic presentations of identity do thrive, I’ve got some travel tips for you!”

    (This is why I dislike the intertubes. I so often say things without fully fleshing them out.)

    Little Light, this

    Here, in a huge community, we can be as nasty to each other as we like, because we have made ourselves a safe enough space to divide amongst ourselves, to associate with people with whom we have common interests or ideas.

    is so right on. Why is it that whenever we finally find a bunch of people like us, we start fighting so hard about the ways we differ? I’ve found that city queers are much more fond of complex and often divisive labels than the rural queers I’ve known. And, yes, I’m sure some of this is because of the relative anonymity and safety that cities can provide–you’re much more likely to openly identify one way or another if you feel safe doing so–but I found that all of the complex identities that are lived in the city are lived in the country as well. They just aren’t necessarily talking about it the same way, or at all.

  26. mk –

    There ARE things particular and specific about the city, just as there are about rural spaces. This is not to say that one is better than the other, rather it is merely to say that they are different, and can be loved each for the unique things in each.

    Does that mean that there are things about the city that you won’t find in rural spaces? Yes. Is the reverse also true? Yes. You appear to take exception to the idea that people may express love for the city and it be a moral statement of superiority over the rural. If this were the case, I could easily read your pieces above in the same vein, rather with the rural over the urban.

    Statements of difference, are not statements of opposites, nor are they statements of judgement of value. One can have difference, and enjoy one side of that difference, without it being a negative construction of other sides.

    Yes, the city is more inherently pluralistic and diverse than the rural. It comes down to the very nature of how group identities operate different in differently sized groups and communities. Does this mean that a more communal identity is somehow wrong? No, of course not, and there are people that love that investment in group identity in the rural.

    You’re still very overtly articulating a binary perspective, one where you solution seems to be to deny any difference between rural and urban spaces in terms of identity. I again suggest you rethink this. Particularly because as a strategy for fighting for the rural as our next spaces for tolerance, it will inevitably fail, because it fails to allow for the particularities and difference of the unique context of the rural.

    Do I love the city and never ever want to live anywhere else, precisely for the reasons I stated above? Yes, but somehow I don’t think that means what you think that means.

  27. I think you’re misunderstanding me, which likely means I still haven’t spoken clearly enough.

    I don’t take any exception to the idea that people like cities more than rural areas, and I’m sorry if it’s coming off that way. I take exception if people assume that the experiences they’ve had in rural areas are true of all rural areas, or that the things they love about cities can’t exist in rural areas. When you cleared up what you were saying I gladly realized these weren’t assumptions you were making–but they’re nonetheless assumptions I’ve come up against time and time again, which is why I wanted to make sure that wasn’t happening here.

    I also wasn’t trying to deny differences between rural and urban spaces in terms of identity. Rather, I was trying to express that in my experiences, the same kinds of identity exist in the city and in the country, but these identities may be expressed and discussed in different ways. I think we could find strength here. And it runs both ways–rural queers can recognize that they share something with city folk, even if the identity is given a name they don’t necessarily use, and urban queers can recognize they share something with country folk, even if the identity isn’t named.

    I know that there can be differences between rural and urban queer identities. Clearly. But I wanted to acknowledge the similarities that may exist as well.

  28. that the things they love about cities can’t exist in rural areas.

    Then you ARE understanding me correctly. I do think there are things about cities that, by definition, can’t exist in rural areas, and vice versa. I don’t see this as a slight on cities, or a slight against rural areas, rather I see this as a bonus speaking to the diversity of living spaces.

    Rather, I was trying to express that in my experiences, the same kinds of identity exist in the city and in the country, but these identities may be expressed and discussed in different ways. I think we could find strength here.

    I realise this, however, I disagree. Yes, there are definite similarities between, say queer, identities in rural and urban spaces. However, there are also definite differences in such identities that can only exist in such spaces because of that space, differences than cannot be merely explained by a difference in expression or discussion of such. Semantics are not merely a way of describing reality in a particular context, they are constitutative of that reality, and hence speak to fairly solid differences.

    Unique spatially located identities do not preclude aspects that are similar and held in common with identities specific to other spatial locales. In order for their to be similarities, there HAS to also be difference, and difference in more than just name. And vice-versa.

  29. I come from a village in Scotland near the city I’m currently in. I was unwelcome there because of being queer, but I feel like an alien here. I’m not city people either. For all I’m grateful for the freedoms I have, I really miss home and resent being unable to go back and live there.

    The gay community here is equally unwelcoming.

  30. I don’t miss any of the people, the lack of public transport, or the inability to meet anyone you haven’t met before. Nor the ever expanding suburbs, the daily +10 derogatory comments from stoned kids, or the incredibly high teenage pregnancy rate.

    But I miss the great muddy fields, and the wind that could almost pick a person up after blustering hundreds of kilometres over open plains. I miss taking my dog for a swim in the lake, and a chase of the bunnies. Most of all, I miss the righteous mooing of cows every day at 5am.

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