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Whipping Girl

I am loving Whipping Girl. I’m not really sure how to post about it, because so many of my ideas look like this:

[Introduction to Julia Serano quote]

[Lengthy quote from Julia Serano]

[Paraphrase of quote from me]

Where to start? There’s so much happening with me around me these days, and I’m running into questions related to womanhood, femininity, transfeminity, cissexual privilege–because I possess both cissexual and transgendered/transitioning status these days–transition, adolescence, misogyny….

Serano’s book is really helping to clarify some of those cross-purpose feelings.

One thing I’ve been wanting to talk about and dreading talking about is internalized transphobia. Rather, as Serano defines the terms, trans-misogyny: hatred specific to transwomen and transfeminine people. As I’ve been transitioning back, one of the most difficult things for me to get over is my own fear of being transfeminine. That is, I was desperate to seem like anything other than a male-assigned or male-bodied female-identified person. That fear has dissipated as I have been able to pass as female, but it still crops up whenever someone seems to read me as a trans woman or a transfeminine person. It also returns whenever I see parts of my body that have been masculinized by the testosterone. Chest hair, for example. Those new physical attributes are repulsive to me.

This goes beyond simple oppositional hatred of masculine cues, too–I feel obsessively insecure about my (minimally, if the long-suffering sighs of my friends are any indication) receded hairline, but not about the way I sit or stand or speak. It also goes beyond fears about simple androgyny–I never felt this awful about residual tells on the other end, and do not feel as bothered by the idea of being a passing woman. That outcome would be inconvenient, but not disgusting.

A brief sojourn amongst the whipping girls, on the other hand, is so very very frightening. I think that this phobia has only faded as much as it has because it doesn’t seem to be happening, not because I’ve come to peace with my gender-insecurity. It’s funny (bigotry often is, since it is by definition absurd)–I don’t see trans women as unattractive, or unworthy, or clumsy, or gross, or unsuccessful, or unwomanly. I have never had that reaction to any actual real-life transwoman I’ve met. In fact (I’m quite the little closet case, aren’t I?) my feelings have been closer to awe and affinity.

Still, the possibility that I would be confused with a transwoman, or indeed that my transition would be equated with a transwoman’s, was worse for me than any other interpretation. I had much rather be a butch dyke, or an androgyne, or an effeminate man, or simply an extremely confused person who does not know how to dress. I am not one of them. I delayed switching back over–and probably resisted coming out to myself–because I was so anxious to avoid any implication of transwomanhood be. I craved that cissexual status, and crave it still.

Coincident with these feelings has been the sense that these women have something I desperately need: that is, a way of seeing us as something other than repulsive. It’s not a belief I’ve been able to glean from my current communty. Transwomen are often treated kinda like I was in middle school. Casual abuse of transwomen is really common, and it’s probably even more common when no trannies can hear. Transwomen are hulking ugly craggy-faced old men wearing pathetic smiles. They’re frumpy. They’re obvious. They’re unwanted.

Speaking of unwanted, the most overt difference seems to be eroticization. I’m a beautiful and sexy woman, but there’s no beautiful and sexy transwoman role to step into, no way to reconcile an erotic sense of self with womanhood with a masculinized body. Transmen and trannyboys are really heavily sexualized by the “tranny-friendly” (i.e. queer cisgendered women and ft? people) in this city, and much of that aesthetic has to do with gender-bending, or blending. That is, it is intended as a celebration of trans-gendered status and identity. There are many options, and together they seem to create a sense of overarching complexity, a kind of community transcendence.

Trans women, on the other hand, cannot claim complexity as erotic; for them, ambiguity is often a stain. It means that they are not trying hard enough, or that they are too dense or delusional to see themselves. An affirmative sense of self as something more than a facsimile isn’t really recognized. This extends to physicality, too–a man with a delicate jaw is beautiful; a woman with a square jaw is not. If the conversations I’ve been privy to are any indication, they are subject to sexualized gender-policing that is striking in its similarity to the mainstream version.


23 thoughts on Whipping Girl

  1. I am only into a few pages into Whipping Girl and I keep having to stop and just yell “oh, god, thank you for writing that!! AUuaughughughguhguhguhggh!!” and stuff like that, over and over again. From the very beginning, when she dives right in and talks about how the only stories trans women are allowed to tell in a book are autobiographical ones of a very particular sort.

    Still, the possibility that I would be confused with a transwoman, or indeed that my transition would be equated with a transwoman’s, was worse for me than any other interpretation. I had much rather be a butch dyke, or an androgyne, or an effeminate man, or simply an extremely confused person who does not know how to dress. I am not one of them. I delayed switching back over–and probably resisted coming out to myself–because I was so anxious to avoid any implication of transwomanhood be. I craved that cissexual status, and crave it still.

    Piny, do you know why you’re awesome? Because you actually admit this kind of thing. A ton of people of all sorts of genders and gender-assignments have had this experience and feelings and just pretend they don’t. And you know, it’s not like we can’t tell when people are trying to over-compensate for this kind of thing out of guilt, and then include or “make friends” with trans women not for our own inherent qualities but in a reactionary way that has more to do with us being trans women. I guess I shouldn’t be complaining about people reacting to social forces of ostracism and mockery, but sometimes it feels an awful lot like pity.

    Anyway, I’m glad you’re writing about this book. I am probably going to have to process and think about it for like six months after I’m done before I can say what I’m really thinking. But god am I glad it got published. For a second I had this reaction that was like… wait this is also a book by a white middle-class feminist, just like Full Frontal Feminism, should I be this excited, as a woman of color?! Then I slapped myself in the face a couple times, because I remembered that DUH of course, Serano’s is very much a kind of voice that has only made it into print a few times before, since it’s not an autobiography, and she’s speaking specifically about sexism and scapegoating targeting trans women?! I don’t even know if there has EVER been a book like this before. So yeah, I’m psyched.

  2. Wait I’m going to actually do exactly what you said you didn’t want to do, piny! Because I’m your alternate verbal-diarrhea cop, remember?

    Introduction to Julia Serano quote: This is the very beginning of the book, you know, the kind of thing you can sometimes read on Amazon that makes you go, hmm maybe I should read this book! I don’t want to prematurely review her work, especially since I look forward to having some cogent criticism of the sort she definitely deserves from trans peers, but I kind of feel like yeah, a lot of people should probably read this book.

    Julia Serano quote:

    “If I didn’t define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people’s fantasies for me and eaten alive.” – Audre Lorde

    When I first told people that I was working on a book based on my experiences and perspectives as a transsexual woman, many of them immediately assumed that I was writing an autobiography (rather than a political or historical account, a work of fiction, or a collection of personal essays). Perhaps they imagined that I would write one of those confessional tell-alls that non-trans people seem to constantly want to hear from transsexual women, one that begins with my insistence that I have always been a “woman trapped in a man’s body”; one that distorts my desire to be female into a quest for feminine pursuits; one that explains the ins and outs of sex reassignment surgery and hormones in gory detail; one that completely avoids discussions about what it is like to be treated as a woman and how that compares to how I was treated as a male; one that whitewashes away all of the prejudices I face for being transsexual; a book that ends not with me becoming an outspoken trans activist or feminist, but with the consummation of my womanhood in the form of my first sexual experience with a man. I am not surprised that many would assume that I was simply writing yet another variation of this archetype. Until very recently, this was the only sort of story that non-trans publishers and media producers would allow any transsexual woman to tell.

    Paraphrase of quote from me: AUGHHGUGHG YES, YES, YES!!! SHE’S TOTALLY RIGHT AUGH!!! OMG SO TRUE!!!!! *bangs head on desk*

  3. I know. There is a lot there. I do miss the easy cut-and-paste format of the webpublished stuff, though.

    Piny, do you know why you’re awesome? Because you actually admit this kind of thing.

    What, you mean this could actually be hurtful or shameful? Nonsense. Where’s my cookie?

    This is something I’ve had to deal with for myself, too–hatred of masculinized-plus-feminine presentation is very much self-directed at this point,* and its only result is the same sort of obsessive self-destruction that characterized my eating disorder.

    I guess I shouldn’t be complaining about people reacting to social forces of ostracism and mockery, but sometimes it feels an awful lot like pity.

    Of course you should be complaining! It’s often exactly like pity, for one thing. For another, I’m not entirely sure that respect is something you can fake until it sprouts on its own. It seems to turn into smug fetishization instead.

    *Although I think it’s more to do with…hm.

    Okay, so, there was this brilliant essay Riki Wilchins wrote about her residual glans tissue post-op and how many years she spent agonizing over its presence. Not because it looked like a dick or acted like a dick, but because it was part of a penis.

    That’s sort of how I’m reacting to my body right now. I’m modular. There’s nothing about any of the effects of testosterone that is categorically unwomanly, presentation-wise. Most things–e.g. the hairline–aren’t even noticeable, let alone things that people would often link to being transitioned. And when people do read them/me as transfeminine, it doesn’t actually feel all that different from the wrong-bathroom passing-woman stuff. I haven’t been hurt or even humiliated.** But I’m giving them weight far out of proportion to what they actually are, because of what they mean. They are linked to transfemininity and to my own version of trans-femininity.

    **Okay, so I was painting last week and this couple came up to me and as they approached the woman chanted very loudly, “Let’s go look at what he–I mean, she–Is it a he or is it a she? Is it a he or is it a she? Is it a he or is it a she? Is it a he or is it a she?” (And then she admired my paintings and gave me some tips on venues and advised me to look up a friend who owned a bookstore…) But my ensemble was bandanna plus baggy sweater plus baggy smock plus baggy (men’s) paintin’ jeans, so it felt like passing-woman, not like OMG SHE THINKS I’M A TRANNY. And this is the most humiliating experience I’ve had to date.

  4. All I know is that inside my body, that of a Greek God, if you ask me (and that of a Geek Cod, if you ask my wife) is a person, struggling to express itself.
    Well, a Greek God who’s been in a severe car wreck after a life of dissapation.

  5. All I know is that inside my body, that of a Greek God, if you ask me (and that of a Geek Cod, if you ask my wife) is a person, struggling to express itself.

    Heh. Amen.

  6. I’m not sure what I can add to this, but it touches on my experience. A big reason I always avoided involving myself in the trans-community is that I have the same stereotypical ideas most people do, except I’ve transitioned… I guess to a certain extent it’s a manifestation of self-hatred externalized. I think it was an advantage (of a sort) to hang out with only non-trans people because I learned alot more about being myself from other women than I would have from other transwomen. The one transwoman friend I have is a bit campy and hyper-effeminate and I’m always self-conscious when I’m with her. I hate drag shows because I’m afraid I’ll be confused with one of them, even though my friends say I’m being a little ridiculous. I dropped the “trans” after my surgery, personally… I mean, if someone is born with six-fingers and has one surgically removed, they don’t still consider themselves six-fingered. Sorry, I’m rambling. I don’t need a whipping girl… self-flagellation is enough.

  7. I feel very informed now. *puts book on wishlist* I have nothing to say actually.

    Highly recommended. And although you should definitely give her your money, you can also check out juliaserano.com for some archived stuff, including essays that appear in the book. My computer’s being an asshole right now, but I think “Skirt Chasers: Why the Media Depicts the Trans Revolution in Lipstick and Heels” is there, and it’s really good.

  8. Yeah, I’m sold. This sounds great.
    Granted, my reading list is a mile long, but–maybe I can bump this one up, and give it a review or something. Thanks for the pointer.

  9. piny, thank you for so generously sharing aspects of your personal journey and for elaborating on this book – I saw it mentioned in the other thread and thought it interesting – it’s definitely one I want to get as well. Will read her site too.

    If the conversations I’ve been privy to are any indication, they are subject to sexualized gender-policing that is striking in its similarity to the mainstream version.

    Not surprising, probably – I’ve seen so many areas where even people who want to break down the existing structures or frameworks wind up operating within and perpetuating them because it is what is and they haven’t figured out what else to do. I do this myself on some issues, I know – sometimes fully aware and completely frustrated at not having the skills, tools, knowledge, or maybe just courage to do things in a different way.

  10. A transman perceived as not “measuring up” to manhood/masculinity is regarded as someone attempting something noble, strong, courageous and good, so no one really makes fun of that in a contemptuous way. Even if they fall short of the mark, the attempt is seen as noble in and of itself.

    Masculinity = humanity, goodness, bravery.

    A transwoman perceived as not “measuring up” to womanhood/femininity is regarded as someone attempting something inferior, frivolous, silly and otherwise already worthy of contempt. If they fall short of the mark, it is therefore laughable, since it is considered “easy”. (As the MRAs are always babbling that women have it easy.) I mean, even cisgendered women can do this, right? How hard could it be?

    Femininity = fakery, weakness, deception.

    Looking forward to checking out the book. I find this a fascinating subject.

  11. Even though I’m intellectually aware of the fact that femininity is constructed as effortless, emotionally, I’m laughing at the idea of femininity being easy. *is cisgendered and sucks at femininity- I’m just not detail orientated or hard working, and I’m really nosy- I’m like “why?” all the time so femininity is even harder for me with that*

    Oh and thanks for the website piny! *burbles* I shall spread the word!

  12. “Casual abuse of transwomen is really common, and it’s probably even more common when no trannies can hear. Transwomen are hulking ugly craggy-faced old men wearing pathetic smiles. They’re frumpy. They’re obvious. They’re unwanted.”
    It’s interesting, but during the Trans Wars, another stereotype of transwomen is that they’re all ultra feminine and girly, like into shoes and makeup and fashion. I guess it’s like the Virgin and Whore binary.

  13. um.. I’m sold to the book too, thanks piny.

    As for the distaste of being dubbed a transwoman (transvestite, drag queen, anything really); I’m a transitioned transwoman, do ‘pass’ (as if it’s a test you can pass or fail) to the point of being told ‘oh, you don’t look trans’ (which is a lot like ‘mmm your hair looks *real*!’) and do not expect to ever stop being outspoken about my trans status. Otherwise how will people ever know better?

    In spite of this, however, whenever I feel self-conscious on the street about my physical appearance, I force myself into the transvestite mindframe I used while in my early transition: ‘Self, you’re a fabulous non-passing transwoman now, if anyone bothers you you will respond accordingly’. Um, what I mean to say is, if it can’t be avoided, I can pretend to be a ‘trannie’ without ill effects on my self-esteem and womanhood. Naturally, this frame of mind dictates being non-aggressive and funny if confronted.. Like a ‘woman-wannabe’ (and a cisgender woman as well) should be, in people’s minds :/

    I’ve also been asked if I was a transman, because I’m lesbian and they didn’t understand it, and it was really funny and a pleasant change, to be given this kind of, in their mind, cisgender woman status. It felt empowering, and from what little I know I think I’d much prefer being considered a transitioning transboy than a transitioning transwoman in the street, if push came to shove…

    I also don’t mind being with more flamboyant transpeople, or with gender-ambiguous people (such as my occassionally effeminate transfag friend). Best case scenario I’ll be ‘the cisgender woman who’s accompanying those gender freaks’, and worst case scenario I’ll be considered one of the ‘freaks’ myself. Both are fine -at least given my huge privilege of not really looking transgendered. I remember it was a huge deal when I was between genders..

    I think for me it’s mainly a concern for safety that plays into how people view me. Trans abuse like being talked about behind my back isn’t as serious as someone with a big entitlement coming up at me looking for a fight. Transmisogyny used to be part of my worldview when I was younger, and it focused on ‘if a transperson doesn’t look like their actual gender, they’re just not trying hard enough’. I mean, how bigoted is that? I shiver when I remember about it.

    Now a transman that has never been on T, has never altered his body in any way and just plain looks like a young girl with attitude (or even without), is no less a man in my mind, because it’s easy for me to switch to accomodate each person’s gendered feelings. I don’t expect them to ‘prove it to me’ or ‘make me feel it’, and it’s not an irreversible change any more; transpeople around me have helped me to readily accept gender fluidity to the point of ‘hey, for tonight I’m not gonna be John, I’m Cathy’ -and it’s fine.

    um.. rambling over..

  14. I’ve had some strange experiences relating to gender. Back when I was still working at being a boy, there were times people would take me as female. For entire conversations. I still remember how giddily happy these interactions made me, and wonder why I didn’t get a clue sooner than I did. Transitioning felt less like trying to act like a woman than just not trying to act like a man any more. It was, in some ways, effortless. (In others, it’s been painful as hell, but c’est la guerre.) The most common reaction I get when I tell someone I’m trans is “No way!” though I used to get “which way are you going?” a lot, but that was before I had hips.

    Even the therapist I was seeing as part of my jumping through the transition hoops kept forgetting that I wasn’t cisfemale. Which was frustrating as hell for me, since that was the whole point of my being there.

    I think I was eleven when I first figured out that there were such creatures as lesbians, and something went click in my head. “Hey! That’s what I want to be!” It took a long time getting here. Along the way, I got questions like “You’re getting a sex change so you can be homosexual?”

    “No. I’m ‘getting a sex change’ because I’m a woman. I’m a lesbian because that’s who I’m attracted to.”

    I am very lucky to have found people who like me, who respect me, who think I’m sexy and don’t care what’s between my legs beyond “Ooo, toy! Shiny!” Well, for those who get that close.

    I was in between lovers for a while a few years ago and, wanting to be around other women, went out to Sue Ellen’s. I met someone there who thought I was cute as hell and liked kissing me, but she couldn’t get past my being trans. “What will my friends think? They’ll think I’m so desperate I settled for a transsexual.” I’m not someone you just settle for. Bah! Needless to say, that didn’t last long.

  15. Moira

    They’ll think I’m so desperate I settled for a transsexual.” I’m not someone you just settle for. Bah! Needless to say, that didn’t last long.

    aww… But cool attitude on your part!!

    And think, that at some point in our trans past, we might have taken this deal. I know I might have! I mean, I’ve been offered friendships where people demanded that I apologise about my trans status and acknowledge that I’m not ‘normal’, and I took them… A few years ago, I wouldn’t even understand why it’s transphobic if other people revealed my trans status to someone I hadn’t met and hadn’t told myself…
    I would have accepted it if the lesbian group I now am a member of was reluctant to admit me while I was between genders. I wouldn’t think twice about the fact that, in order to admit me, our group has to be satisfied that I’m a transwoman who doesn’t look like a guy, even though that’s *not* a requirement for *any* of the other women in there….

    Our own transphobia and lack of self-confidence can do wonders to attract abuse on ourselves, hmm?

  16. I’m a bit puzzled by your final point about eroticization. Are you saying that transwomen are not eroticised as transwomen?

    I’ve seen a hell of a lot of eroticization of transwomen for being trans, at least pre-op transwomen. It’s a horrible, dehumanising version of eroticism that comes from straight men and treats them as a fetishised freak, but it’s still erotic focus.

    No, sorry if that wasn’t clear. I’ve complained before about the tendency to see transmasculine people as “the best of both worlds” in a particularly, um, pedestal-intensive way. It’s not like she-male porn; rather, transmasculine people are treated as though they’re, I dunno, emotionally superhuman for being transgendered. “Shamanic” is an adjective I’ve heard tossed around a few times. Also “two-spirit,” even for people who don’t identify as two-spirit. “Transsensual” is often a nod to this framing of trans-orientation, since it is often defined as attraction to transitioned/transgressively-gendered people.

    My point was that in the community where this so frequently occurs, transwomen are not treated like wonderful magical creatures by virtue of their complex histories or affinities. And any physical cues associated (that’s a whole ‘nother rant) with being transfemale are not seen as badges of honor or as part of a queer aesthetic, but as grotesquerie. As failure. They aren’t the best of anything; they’re just ugly freaks. And their ability to be acceptable, erotically or otherwise, depends on their ability to not be visible as transwomen.

    The kind of dehumanizing sexualization you’re talking about is a different phenomenon, albeit one that I haven’t seen any community eschew. And I’m not denying that transwomen suffer the Tiresias trip, just arguing transparent sexism in one place.

  17. Piny, are we certain that the sensualisation of transmen (I’ve noticed too), and the ‘oh my god how cute and brave you are’ doesn’t stem from sexist stereotypes where transmen are thought of as ‘originally women’? Underprivileged people who claim their rightful privilege from patriarchy?

    Most of the older feminists’ disgust with transwomen and most of their revelment in transmen still seems to be based on ‘privileged men are trying to become women and infiltrate our communities’ (and phalluses= yuck) and ‘ooh transmen are women who are exercising their well-earned right to act out their masculinity’ (and vagina= the best). I mean all my f2m friends have trouble with their partners, no matter how much theoretical training they’ve had, because when they see a transman’s crotch, they can’t for the life of them see a dick and treat it like a dick, or treat it as the transguy wants it to be treated. Instead, it’s taken for granted that this is a vagina, albeit usually a strange one. Transmen’s dicks aren’t acknowledged as ‘real’. Shamanic you say? Doesn’t this evoke images of the transman as a prior ‘life-giving female’ stereotype? Ugh. And when transmen *are* thought of as real men , they immediately become, in the older feminist thinking, ‘the enemy’, the ‘opposing force’…

    The sensualisation of transmen feels a lot like non-acceptance of their maleness to me.

    Another idea is that since many transmen are already part of women’s organisations before they transition, perhaps they’re more political about showing off their body and sensuality?

    Um..Any thoughts?

  18. I would have accepted it if the lesbian group I now am a member of was reluctant to admit me while I was between genders. I wouldn’t think twice about the fact that, in order to admit me, our group has to be satisfied that I’m a transwoman who doesn’t look like a guy, even though that’s *not* a requirement for *any* of the other women in there….

    Ooh. Yeah. That one still hurts. Some years ago, there was much drama surrounding my participation in a women’s only party associated with Ms. World Leather in Dallas. I had actually given some thought to whether I should go or not. But I figured that since I fit the criteria to be eligible to run for Ms. World Leather, it’d be fine if I went. (My ID had my name and an F on it, though I didn’t then and haven’t yet been able to afford genital surgery.) We played behind a curtain, though I didn’t care much if people came and looked in on us.

    Anyway, that blew up, OMFG there was a dick in the play space! Like mine was the only one. A self-identified transman was also there, packing, no trouble.

    A week later, Bound by Desire, big leatherwomen’s group in Austin, changed their membership requirements to state that transwomen were welcome only if they had had genital surgery. And pre-op transwomen were not welcome at their socials and other events. “Don’t take it personally,” I was told.

    Uh-huh. It didn’t have anything to do with me, except that they wanted to make sure I didn’t show up for their big weekend event.

    And they still say “We welcome all women, Lesbian, Bisexual, Heterosexual and Transgendered” on their website.

    You bet.

  19. Moira, you already know my thoughts on that. It’s fucking narrow-minded of them… People who’ve fought for the right to be free of oppression, don’t necessarily see the oppression they’re inflicting on others. And don’t forget the inherrent sexism of many lesbians who wish they could express more masculinity and even own a dick. That’s seldom admitted, and it’s non-pc, but when it’s not admitted it causes lots of transphobia, and because those women can’t direct it to themselves, they direct it at others with gender trouble…

    About the dick/vagina thing… Isn’t it strange that so many people (including cis-women and very specifically a lot of cis-lesbians) hate menstruation, yet when you ask anybody what would disqualify a person from being a woman their first thoughts are invariably ‘if she’s a lesbian’ and ‘if she doesn’t menstruate/can’t bear children’? Is it sadism of some sort?

    Just keep an eye out for the cool cis-lesbians, will you? 😉 They’re not hard to miss…

  20. Oh, I found some. Married one, even. And thanks to my checkered past (and a very bad legal decision), we were able to do it all nice and legal. In Texas. Talk about your unintended consequences.

  21. This is totally off topic, but piny’s mention of “two-spirit” makes me want to tell one of my favourite anecdotes:

    University club fair. There’s a table, with a banner reading “Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transexual, Transgendered, and Two-Spirited Club”

    F=friend of my husband’s, from a small town.
    B=person at the booth.

    F: Excuse me, but what does “two-spirited” mean?
    B: (snootily) “Why don’t you ask one of your gay or lesbian first nation friends?”
    F: I don’t have any gay or lesbian first nation friends.
    B: And what does that say about you?

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