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Conservatives hate men, want us to be more like Iran

Couldn’t make it up if I tried.

On any given day, one isn’t likely to find common cause with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He’s a dangerous, lying, Holocaust-denying, Jew-hating cutthroat thug — not to put too fine a point on it.

But he was dead-on when he wondered why a once-great power such as Britain sends mothers of toddlers to fight its battles.


Sending fathers of toddlers to fight and die is apparently a-ok, because men really don’t matter, at least when it comes to parenting. Or dying.

When a pretender to sanity like Ahmadinejad gets to lecture the West about how it treats its women, we’ve effectively handed him a free pass to the end zone and made the world his cheerleaders.

Not only does the Iranian president get to look magnanimous in releasing the hostages, but he gets to look wise. And we in the West get to look humiliated, foolish and weak.

Just because we may not “feel” humiliated, doesn’t mean we’re not. In the eyes of Iran and other Muslim nations, we’re wimps. While the West puts mothers in boats with rough men, Islamic men “rescue” women and drape them in floral hijabs.

Who, exactly, is supporting Ahmadinejad’s opinion that women shouldn’t be soldiers, other than the usual suspects? I really don’t think this scored him any gotcha points.

I’m also curious as to who this “we” refers to. Parker isn’t British, although I suppose she maybe means “the West” or simply “white people.” And if she’s concerned about how the Muslim world perceives us, perhaps she should be more concerned with our repeated invasions of Muslim countries and how we kill tens of thousands of Muslim civilians in the process. I think that might hurt our reputation a little bit more than having one female serviceperson taken hostage.

We can debate whether they’re right until all our boys wear aprons, but it won’t change the way we’re perceived. The propaganda value Iran gained from its lone female hostage, the mother of a 3-year-old, was incalculable.

Call me crazy, but I suspect the propaganda value that Iran gained from our invasion of Iraq, Abu Ghraib, and the ongoing Palestinian situation is probably a little more valuable than its lone female hostage.

It is not fashionable these days to suggest that women don’t belong in or near combat — or that children need their mothers. Yes, they need their fathers, too, but children in their tender years are dependent on their mothers in unique ways.

There’s not enough space here to go into all the ways that this is true, but children (and good parents) know the difference even if some adults are too dim, brainwashed or ideologically driven to see what’s obvious.

Or, to borrow a term from the MRAs, too misandrist.

But let’s assume for the sake of argument that women, despite all evidence to the contrary, are as capable as men in any battle. If our goal is to prevail, then shouldn’t we also consider other ramifications of putting women in combat and/or in positions of risk?

Those ramifications include women’s unequal vulnerability to rape and injury, as well as cultural attitudes toward women that may enhance their exposure to punishment or, alternatively, to make them useful to our enemies.

Parker may be shocked to realize that men can be raped, too. She might also want to recognize that men have historically committed the vast majority of war crimes, including rape. Shouldn’t we also consider the ramifications to human rights and international law by putting men in combat? And what about cultural attitudes toward men? Couldn’t those attitudes enhance their exposure to punishment, torture or murder?

Rape, though not a likely risk in this case, is a consistent argument against putting women in or near combat. While advocates for women in combat argue that men are also raped, there is an important difference. Women are raped by men, which, given the inherent power differential between the sexes, raises women’s rape to another level of terror.

So take the rapists out of combat. Problem solved.

What kind of man, one shudders to wonder, is willing to allow his country’s women to be raped and tortured by other men of enemy nations?

The kind who sees women as “his country’s,” and considers rape a property crime instead of a human rights violation.

Shorter Kathleen Parker: Men are brutes who don’t have the same parental skills as women, and women generally suck. One wonders why it’s ok for her to even comment on the war in public space, given her inherent emotionality and lack of male-identified rational thought. And doesn’t all this column-writing take away from her taking care of some toddlers?


25 thoughts on Conservatives hate men, want us to be more like Iran

  1. Nice try, Parker- “But let’s assume for the sake of argument that women, despite all evidence to the contrary, are as capable as men in any battle.” What evidence to the contrary? Because, strangely enough, the only thing I see in that article is a bunch of poorly reasoned arguments reinforcing traditional roles. Saying “Women make better parents” isn’t really evidence against women in battle.

    Also: “Meanwhile, no one can look at photos of the 15 British marines and sailors and argue convincingly that the British Navy is stronger for the presence of Leading Seaman Faye Turney — no matter how lovely and brave she may be. ”
    I’m sorry, but no sane person can look at the pictures and argue convincingly that the British Navy would have been stronger for the lack of Leading Seaman Faye Turney, either.

    I’m constantly in awe of how people like her describe me as being simultaneously a moronic brute incapable of the rational thought required to control my sexual urges when a vagina is nearby, as well as a paragon of rational thought, logic, discipline and military order.

    God. It’s so exhausting being a man.
    *rolls eyes*

    And the ultimate irony: “Positioning women to become pawns of propaganda, meanwhile, is called aiding and abetting the enemy.”

    Riiight. Because Parker isn’t using women as pawns of propaganda at all.

  2. A three year old toddler. Wow. No way anyone but the mother could take care of a kid at that age. I mean, that’s before the umbilical has been cut right?

    Even if you buy into the philosophy her example is laughable.

  3. …does she honestly think the Muslim world views Turney’s capture as a rescue? I mean, seriously.

  4. “But he was dead-on when he wondered why a once-great power such as Britain sends mothers of toddlers to fight its battles.”

    Given that the US armed forces are perfectly happy to send both parents into combat, regardless of the ages of their children, I don’t see why Parker’s getting on her high horse about the evil, evil British sending their wimmins overseas.

  5. Given that the US armed forces are perfectly happy to send both parents into combat, regardless of the ages of their children, I don’t see why Parker’s getting on her high horse about the evil, evil British sending their wimmins overseas.

    Not going to get into the wider debate, as my opinion will likely be poorly received, just need to point out that the above is incorrect. Two married service members with children are not deployed at the same time. Of course, if this is not what you meant, then please disregard.

  6. Ok, I admit that I have problems understanding why the parent of a 3 year old* would be willing to go into the military, but I don’t see that it’s any worse for the parent involved to be the mother than the father. Whatever happened to the mystic need for a father that the conservatives always bring up when talking about single mothers or lesbian parents?

    *Or the parents of a 13 or 30 year old or non-parents. Frankly, I have a hard time understanding why people sign up for the military of their own free will, but that’s my problem, not theirs.

  7. Two married service members with children are not deployed at the same time.

    It’s possible, though. And single parents of children are deployed as well — it’s their responsibility to provide for a guardian to watch their child when they’re away.

    However, the point is that people like Parker don’t get the vapors about a male servicemember with a three-year-old deploying and spending that much time away from his child. But let a woman with a child be deployed, and suddenly women shouldn’t be in the military.

    In both cases, the child is being raised by the other parent. Why is it such a tragedy when the child is being raised by a father?

  8. Women are raped by men, which, given the inherent power differential between the sexes, raises women’s rape to another level of terror.

    Oh great, men who are raped aren’t raped nearly as badly as women are – ergo rape is objectively a a benign thing, unlike women in the military.

    I’d call it insane, but ted bundy wasn’t this fucking twisted, at least he thought women were “asking for it”; he would have argued that rape didn’t exist – not that rape is okay, unless it’s done to women.

    Kathleen Parker is a slashficcer who’s destiny has been strangely altered – if the world wasn’t about to end, she’s be writing gay porn scripts for a living and producing 1/10^6^6^6th of the harrypotter slash at FF.net in her spare time.

  9. Not going to get into the wider debate, as my opinion will likely be poorly received, just need to point out that the above is incorrect. Two married service members with children are not deployed at the same time.

    That’s funny, Henry — the Department of Defense says it’s a possibility. Who should I believe on this issue, you or the United States Department of Defense?

  10. I wonder what Parker would say if her syndicate decided to discontinue her column on the ground that women’s brains are inherently wired toward taking care of children and not pondering serious matters like politics.

  11. What floral hijabs and what savior of women? One of the futures of the “traditional” status of women in Iran is that they can get stoned for alleged adultery for example, sometimes before the eyes of their own children! And BTW, Iran has women in the military…And aproves of terrorist operations perpetrated by women suicide-bombers’ like the ones in Israel. Generally it’s no problem in Islamic law for women, even the one with children to be killed for some crime or to kill herself in the name of jihad. Recently a grandmother blew herself up on Israeli checkpoint and I don’t think Iran criticized those who sent her.

  12. And approves of terrorist operations perpetrated by women suicide-bombers’ like the ones in Israel.

    Isreal has suicide bombers?

    Generally it’s no problem in Islamic law for women, even the one with children to be killed for some crime or to kill herself in the name of jihad.

    Replace “jihad” with “childbirth” and you’d be accurately describing the catholic church’s actual positions.

    However, islamic law doesn’t, technically, support suicide bombings, on account of it not supporting suicide – that certain islamic lawmakers in certain states (all of whom are or have been supported by republican american governments at various times in their existences) ignore the suicide prohibition or fail to see much difference between your average Roger Young-style suicide attack and more direct methods of patriotic suicides, proves that… muslim governments aren’t holier than secular western governments.

    Umm… well done?

    One of the futures of the “traditional” status of women in Iran is that they can get stoned for alleged adultery for example

    And one of the futures of the “traditional” status of women in america is that they won’t need to have someone produce multiple eye witnesses before you can have your wife stoned for alleged adultery (because it’s more legal than a divorce).

    Of all the theocrats, islamic theocrats are clearly the best purely for reason of being the newest, and hence much more shiney nad have that new fresh from the packet smell and everything – I rate them highly, giving them a score of 8 abominations unto nuggen out of 10 compared to christian dominionists and their scold bridles’ 7 out of 10

    however, you appear to think you’re arguing with islamic theocrats, whereas you’re talking to people who object to all dominionists, because they’re all wankers who hate people.

    America also didn’t condemn the IDF killing that suicidal grandmother’s children and grandchildren.

    Again, your point is… that Iran is just as bad as America? Should we be reporting you to the DHS because you’ll support foreign invaders who use our monstrosities as an excuse to let death squads rove our streets while their military intermittently slaughters and tortures innocent civilians?

  13. No one seems to be arguing against her claim that children are uniquely dependent on their mothers at that age. Is there any reason to think that’s actually the case? Am I missing something?

  14. R.Mildred, I wasn’t arguing with Islamic theocrats, I merely pointed out some facts about Iran which seem to contradict the rosy image of “defenders of women” that the american journalist in question seemingly got. The word “islamic” in my post was used relative to the Iranian government understanding of Islam (because they often back their position with it – as they interpret it) and not relative to Islam position per se.
    And, no, Iran is not just as bad as America with regard to human rights. I’m sure you know it yourself, having witnessed no public stoning, whereas some citizens of Iran surely did 🙁 And no amount of killed children or grandchildren justifies indoctrinating an old women and sending her to blow herself up.
    I propose we stop speaking about politics here, it’s unrelated to the topic.

  15. I’m sure you know it yourself, having witnessed no public stoning

    And you’ve witnessed Iranians destroy whole cities while they proudly torture and slaughter people in countries they’ve invaded, while their security and police forces back home seperate the children of american immigrants from their parents and then keep them in conditions that put them on the verge of dehydration and malnutrition, while pretending that their government isn’t full of people who employ the same immigrants they makes laws to harrass and kill for no other reason than it being politically popular. Do members of the Tehran Police Department occasionally just unload entire clips of ammunition into people for the great crime of being “black in a built up area”? And do those same police occasionally use tazers to torture christians who refused to show them ID while trying to get a book out of the University of Tehran’s library?

    I know they arrest and detain political undesirables without trial just like the NYPD did during the republican national convention in 2004 and during protests prior to the Iraq War.

    I’m also certain that, prior to having women stoned, the iranian judges will make jokes to each other about how the women pleaded to them for their lives.

    What is farsi for “please, please don’t kill me”?

    And of course the biggest issue is not that the bordeline 3rd world nation of Iran that had it’s last revolution a decade or two ago, which is a theocracy, is ever-so-marginally worse than america, the fact is that the first world country that alleges to be a bastion of truth and hope and freedom isn’t lightyears ahead of a country – a country that we keep selling WMDs and other arms to while we also arm it’s neighbours during wars that saw the repeated use of biological and chemical weapons upon it’s civilian population – but is barely better.

    And is getting worse every year.

    A wise man who’s writings are rarely read or heard about in america these days once had a remarkably inciteful saying about people who have an aweful lot ot say about the peices of grit in other people’s eyes, while ignoring certain sight obscuring planks of wood in their own.

    indoctrinating an old women

    They’re not indoctrinated, you don’t need to indoctrinate poeple who have nothing left in their lives but anger, hatred and the memories of the ones they love.

    What they’re doing isn’t right, because they’re just pissing their lives away in a futile attempt to make the Israeli government see palestinians as human beings.

    But I’m not going to pretend that they were inhuman brainwashed monsters – they did the human thing, the sort of thing the norse and indian and celts wrote and sang epic poems about, the thing we build monuments to, and tell our troops they’re doing in iraq.

    I’ll hate the troops the day I hate those suicide bombing grandmothers, and I’ll care about what Iran does the day I don’t care what my own government does to it’s own people and others – because I am not responsible for what the Iranians do or do not do, nor can I effect them or change them.

  16. “No one seems to be arguing against her claim that children are uniquely dependent on their mothers at that age. Is there any reason to think that’s actually the case? Am I missing something?”

    Unless they are breastfeeding – and most 3 year olds in Britain and America aren’t – children are not uniquely dependent on their mothers at that age.

    They do have a special bond with their primary caregiver – who is often, but not always, their mother. However, if stress on children was an important factor in military decisions, then there’s all kinds of things we’d do differently. Why start with this?

  17. One of my daughter’s daycare friends has a single mom who has been in Iraq since she was 2 and a half. She’s now almost 4. One of my sister’s classmates has both of his parents in Iraq. It most certainly does happen. They do not care about the children of service members when they make deployments.
    Ronald- I would certainly say my kids have a unique bond with me, as they do with their father, and I know they certainly prefer me to their father (although I’m not sure why, he’s an awesome dad), but I don’t think I am the only one able to take care of them. If I died tomorrow, their father would make sure they were well taken care of, loved and protected. So to answer your question, no I don’t think children are uniquely dependent on their mothers at three, but I can see how the loss of your mother could possibly be more traumatizing than your dad at that age. I don’t, however, see this as a justification for telling women they can’t join the service if they have young children and letting men do it without batting an eye. It would still be extremely devestating to lose your father and I think fathers are equally as capable as taking of their children as mothers.

  18. OK that will be my last post on the theme of suicide bombings, since it’s not the place for that:
    What you said in your post is just ignorant and very cruel towards those same suicide grandmother and suicide bombers. There’s nothing epic and nothing beautiful aboud death no matter what those epic songs say. Death is just death, the end of everything for a person in question. Suicide bomber gets indoctrinated and drugged (they are heavily drugged before the mission for example, that’s one of the tell tale sign together with the baggy clothes) and wealthy people in Palestinian authority and other arab states are living off their sacrifice, making cynical use of their misfortune. They don’t send their own children to blow themselves up, they choose only the most poor, neglected and those with impaired judgment (kids: those bombers are almost all under 20). Unless you are yourself a very young person, and don’t unerstand the true value of your own life, it’s very cynical of you to speak about those people death as something heroic or worthy of praise.
    It seems from what you are writing that you never saw those ppl (say palestinians) face to face. Just do it, go to Palestinian Authority or to Afghanistan, or to Iraq, get to know them as people, get to know the relatives of suicide bombers, their friends. Then somebody you personally know blows him- or herself up, let’s see if you’ll consider it epic, or understand it as a desire to get some goverment to see them as people, or any other nonsence like this.

  19. I wonder what Parker would say if her syndicate decided to discontinue her column on the ground that women’s brains are inherently wired toward taking care of children and not pondering serious matters like politics.

    sounds like a campaign to me!

    “Dear editors. As a proud defender of traditional values, I could not help but be struck by the irony…”

  20. “However, Islamic law doesn’t, technically, support suicide bombings, on account of it not supporting suicide.”

    It also explicitly forbids killing prisoners and noncombatants, which is why Khamenei has declared nuclear weapons to be haram, and only very anti-Israel clerics have supported suicide bombing (tolerated is another matter).

    BTW, what is the difference between a suicide bomber and a general who orders the dropping of cluster bombs? Oh yeah, one is poor and brown, the other is rich and white. Stupid me.

  21. The evidence to the contrary that men fare better than women in battle…hmm…

    Consider that “battling” – if you want to call it that, as that conjures up images of hand-to-hand combat – in American warfare terms amounts to the operation of highly developed technological machinery. Regardless of what flimsy arguments may or may not exist out there regarding bodies and battle, American warfare amounts to operation of machinery: dehumanized, calculating, computerized machinery. More than bodies, it is brains and learned instincts that determine one’s ability in combat. And guess what – it doesn’t matter if the person you are battling is ten times bigger or stronger than you – The Gun is the ultimate equalizer. And, given the fact that the US army technologically outstrips everyone but, say, Israel, it makes no sense to suppose that a woman behind a gun, in a fighter jet cockpit, or behind a computer, for that matter, will fare any worse in combat than a man.

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