BSG Discussion Thread — 3.18 “The Son Also Rises” March 11, 2007 zuzu Looks like Lee isn’t the only Adama with Daddy issues. Discuss.
I lost count of how many times I muttered you fucker, you fucking fuck under my breath while Lampkin manipulated Caprica like that. It never ceases to amazes me how much this show has led me around to sympathizing with Caprica after all that her introduction entailed–maybe because she wasn’t a real character yet, then, and she is, now? or that she has a fuller understanding of her actions, now? But seriously. It suddenly didn’t matter that she’s killed a planet–she was a brokenhearted woman who did the right thing, got locked in a little room, and then had an unscrupulous bastard squeeze and poke at all her wounded places. It was just so cruel. It’s interesting, considering the odds, how the humans sometimes make a Cylon look like the underdog.
I’m at least one episode behind you, zuzu. But Caprica 6 has behaved nobly more than once – especially in retrieving the baby with Sharon and bringing it back to Galactica. Also having Gaius in her head. Once one remembers the first season – it’s a shock to realize that she’s now sympathetic. It’s one of the most subversive elements of the show.
I for one wanted to see more of the mourning for Starbuck (yes, we know she’s not dead) because that one scene with Anders 14 sheets to the wind, while heartwrenching, wasn’t quite enough. and props to Badger (firefly) for taking a BSG role and staying as smarmy and conniving as ever
Forgive me, I watched the show but I didn’t understand a bit of it at the end, was the lawyer a klepto for some reason? Why was he taking all of that stuff? And no Helo. Awesome.
tps12: Oooooh, good catch! The scene with Sam and Lee was quite interesting and undeniably hot, but I didn’t recognize it at the time as slash fan service. Thanks for helping me to appreciate it on a whole other level. TomCody: I’m pretty indifferent to Helo, but my husband calls him “that doofus” and can’t stand him.
The lawyer was a: a big thief and b: stealing little objects that gave him psychological insight into his opponents for the trial, TomCody–the button told him about Adama’s mental state, the glasses were to destabilize Roslin and make her look less serious when she showed up without them, the pen was all about manipulating his star witnesses, and so on. He was tempted to steal Lee’s picture of Kara, but it was a much easier, bigger manipulation to tell Lee he’d chosen not to. I think we can agree to disagree about Helo so long as you can agree that that extra scene with Athena serving the hell out of Cally was basically pure awesome. (Season 1 Fan Me goes ‘what? wait, you can’t stand Cally, and you feel bad for Caprica Six? ‘ But I’ve been diehard for Athena since the beginning.)
I for one wanted to see more of the mourning for Starbuck (yes, we know she’s not dead) because that one scene with Anders 14 sheets to the wind, while heartwrenching, wasn’t quite enough. With all the loss that has happened to the human population recently, I don’t think they can mourn anymore than that. I think that they’ve trained themselves to mourn quickly and move on, if only for the sake of being able to function on a day to day basis.
I think we can agree to disagree about Helo so long as you can agree that that extra scene with Athena serving the hell out of Cally was basically pure awesome. It is so nice to know I’m not the only person who likes Helo! And that scene was pure awesome too. Does anyone else think there’s some connection between Lampkin and Baltar? He kind of looked like Baltar around the eyes, and he has the same kind of accent that Baltar put on when he was talking like he was from his native world. At first I thought the accent was pure coincidence, but then when he took his glasses off to talk to Caprica 6, I wondered.
Little light, Thanks. I’ll probably need to watch it again but thanks for the insight. I can take or leave Athena. Her “plans” were always dubious to me and the whole setup of her and Helo was eyerolling (“We figured out we need ‘love’ to breed, uh-huh.”) but I really can’t stand Helo now, everything he does is so self-righteous and his comment to Roslin, “The Cylons tried to live with us on New Caprica” was the final nail in a series of final nails (along side the killing of the sick Cylons and getting away with it, if he’d been punished in some way I wouldn’t feel so much hartred.) thanks again
It is so nice to know I’m not the only person who likes Helo! I have a soft spot for the actor because he’s from the same part of Canada as I am and I used to see him with his politician father when he was a kid. Sigh. I am old.
Having reflected a bit on the episode, I think the thing I enjoyed most about it was the way it let Jamie Bamber flex and show his acting chops for the first time in I don’t even know how long. Especially during the scene with Lampkin and Caprica 6. There was a lot going on with Lee in that scene, and thanks to Jamie’s restraint in his acting choices, his character was able to go through a whole raft of emotions without distracting from the rest of the action on the screen. Not an easy thing to pull off. I have to admit, I’m also intrigued about potential future developments on the character inter-relationship front, between Lee and Sam.
Lesley- the actors that play Baltar and Lampkin, are both from London. Although, that’s where Jamie Bamber was raised, as well. But, they fit him with an American accent.
oh, and I totally thought that some of the Lee and Sam Anders exchange looked like it was played up for fan fic.
Holly–it wouldn’t be the first time that interaction between characters was played up for fanfic: this page isn’t loading for me, but it has a bit about how the actors for Racetrack and Helo read some fanfic story where their characters get together, so Racetrack’s actor decided to play up a crush on Helo. When Baltar first meets Badger Lamkin, doesn’t he say something like “What are you doing here?” It sounded like there was some backstory between the two. LL: thanks for the clarification on Lamkin’s stealing. I totally thought he was just a kleptomaniac of some sort. Obviously, I missed something.
I had the same reaction to Lampkin when he took off his glasses, that suddenly he looked a hell of a lot like Baltar somehow. And the cut scene between Athena and Kally was wonderful.
Holly, yes, I know that. But Baltar normally talks with a specific kind of accent that sounds nothing like Lampkin’s. However during one episode, Baltar changed his accent for a couple of minutes to sound like he originally did when he left his native planet to demonstrate his “ties to the common people.” It was markedly different from his usual way of speaking. *That’s* the accent I’m saying sounds like Lampkin’s. Not the way James Callis usually speaks when playing Baltar.
Lesley — I was thinking the exact same thing about Lamkin’s accent. I wonder how that will play out. Jess — The “What are you doing here?” was directed at Lee, not at Lampkin. Count me among the Helo and Athena fans, incidentally. 🙂
Chris: Lee, not Lampkin? Well, damn. (I think I need to see that episode again. I missed so many details.) Can someone more familiar with UK accents confirm that Baltar’s childhood accent and Lampkin’s are the same? Sniper: so there might be pictures of baby Helo out there on the internet? Oh MAN.
What do other people think about the sunglasses thing? It seemed to me that when Lampkin most wanted to lie, that’s when he would take off the sunglasses and look a person right in the eyes. Makes the last scene with him and Lee all the more interesting since he purposefully peered over his glasses at Lee while saying his exit lines.
but he wasn’t lying when he deliberately took off his glasses with Caprica 6…she asked if Baltar had asked about her, he took off his glasses, set them down, looked her in the eye and he actually told her exactly what he said, then he put his glasses back on and started lying…but if its a ‘tell’, its an obvious one, and either the writer really wanted to slap us with it, or BadgerLampkin will use it to his advantage later.
Jess and Lesley Baltar’s ‘native’ accent was north of England (probably Yorkshire/Derbyshire, although hard to tell), whereas Lampkin’s sounded more Ulster (i.e. Northern Ireland). In reality they’re quite different, but Baltar only went northern for a few minutes, and you’d need a reasonable familiarity with English regional accents to pick it up. Good episode, I thought. Although I’m certainly still in mourning for Starbuck.
Jess and Lesley Baltar’s ‘native’ accent was north of England (probably Yorkshire/Derbyshire, although hard to tell), whereas Lampkin’s sounded more Ulster (i.e. Northern Ireland). In reality they’re quite different, but Baltar only went northern for a few minutes, and you’d need a reasonable familiarity with English regional accents to pick it up. Good episode, I thought. Although I’m certainly still in mourning for Starbuck.
Just wanted to say, you have annoyed me. All of you. The new show I’m now addicted to is BSG. I hadn’t watched BSG until they were running too many reruns on regular TV shows and I was looking for something I hadn’t seen. I found myself in Best Buy looking for something that would be engrossing to watch. I remembered you all talking about it and liking it. I bought season one and now I like it and find you all annoying for it. lol Just wanted to share that with you.
I don’t know if I can ever forgive them for Starbuck’s demise. (((sobs))) I hope it’s as fake as Captain America’s will turn out to be. 😉
I’m surprised they showed as much mourning as they did, and I doubt they’ll show any more after this episode. The O.C. had four whopping episodes mourning Marissa, and that was wildly different from most shows.
Jennifer: This show has been known to actually keep storylines across episodes. Remember how Starbuck’s knee was busted for many episodes? And when Cally got thrown in the brig, she didn’t quietly reappear a few episodes later, but had a very short welcome back party. If I remember correctly, Roslin mourned for Billy in subsequent episodes (even if Dee didn’t).