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Wise up about drinking and rape

Finally, a feminist op/ed about drinking and rape that I can get behind. Jaclyn Friedman gets away from the finger-wagging “girls who drink will get themselves raped” lecturing that even feminist commentators too often fall back upon. She recognizes that, first and foremost, we must hold men responsible for their actions. She encourages promoting a pleasure-affirming message — which I would take a step further and say needs to also emphasize that sex should be fun, enjoyable and desired by both parties, not something that men always want and women have to stop, and not something which is inherently about humiliation, pain or disempowerment. I would also add that we need to get away from the knee-jerk response to mentioning self-defense techniques (actual self-defense classes, not drinking heavily, etc) every time the topic of rape comes up. Obviously, suggesting self-defensiveness makes sense in the context of Jaclyn’s article. But I’m not sure it fits as cleanly into a conversation about an actual rape, or a story about an actual rape survivor.

So I hope we can move away from the model of always holding women accountable for our own victimization, and start focusing on how we can raise boys and girls who have positive views on sex, who own their own sexualities, and who can imagine sex as something positive instead of dirty, shameful, or violent. Until then, read the whole article.


23 thoughts on Wise up about drinking and rape

  1. That’s an excellent article. Really outlines the whole issue in a way that doesn’t blame women, and re-allocates blame to the rapist, where it starts.

    Regarding the part about self-defense: My martial arts instructor also runs a women’s defense class. At the end of each set of classes, she usually asks me to participate as an ‘attacker’, since I’m a large guy (and as a black belt, I can presumably defend myself against accidental injury).

    The main goal of these attacks is to convince the women that the self defense techniques do, really, work, and that they are able to fend off someone who outweighs them. And to try and help them integrate that knowledge at a more instinctual level that can allow them to use the techniques smoothly, quickly and effectively.

    Usually, it’s mostly in good fun. But occasionally, when I manage to engage some more instinctive fear (for some, it’s being lifted off their feet; sometimes, it’s being attacked while they’re on the ground) the woman’s instincts REALLY kick in and I can find myself flying across the floor, or taking some serious hits.

    While there may be some essential difference in muscle mass, I’m here to testify that when necessary, an average woman can certainly put the hurt on an attacker.

  2. Great article! It’s way past time our society started holding males responsible for rape. My university has those posters basically saying, “Don’t rape, ’cause a trial is expensive and could ruin your life.” Is it too much to hope for that someday we can just leave it at, “Rape is always wrong. Period.” with no further explanation needed?

  3. “Don’t rape, ‘cause a trial is expensive and could ruin your life.”

    How depressing. Someone thought, and probably with cause, the most effective anti-rape message should focus on the repercussions to the rapist, not the victim.

  4. Just checking in here to say if you haven’t read the comments over on feministing, do so! Thomas has a fantastic post up there, and some good discussion of why guys who are otherwise good humans sometimes think what they are engaged in is not rape.

    (I know I’m going to piss someone off with that last sentence, but I really, really tried to keep that as neutral as possible. I am in no way suggesting that “all men will rape given the chance”. Period.)

  5. It is very refreshing to read an article that discusses male drinking and how that contributes to rape. One that doesn’t fall back on “Girls! Don’t drink!”

    some good discussion of why guys who are otherwise good humans sometimes think what they are engaged in is not rape.

    I think that is a very important discussion to have. IIRC, 1 in 12 college men had committed an act that met the legal definition of rape (as self-reported by the men themselves). Of those, 80+% didn’t think they’d committed rape. Clearly there’s a huge disconnect between what rape really is and what these men think is going on.

  6. While there may be some essential difference in muscle mass, I’m here to testify that when necessary, an average woman can certainly put the hurt on an attacker.

    I actually had a similar conversation with a co-worker yesterday, but we were talking about how to chase off a mountain lion (they’ve been seen more and more often in our urban Southern California area). It was basically that what you want to do is make yourself more trouble than it’s worth. You don’t need to be able to give the guy (or the mountain lion) a beat-down. You just need to convince him/it that you’re too much trouble to try and subdue so he/it will go away.

    Of course, with humans, the other self-defense skill to learn is to figure out when to fight back and when to (temporarily) submit to give yourself a chance to get away later. That’s not something that would work when you’re up against a mountain lion.

  7. Nice. I have another question about the 70% stat. How far above the drinking background is it? What is the drinking rate of the control gorup….If most male/female encounters that dont involvle rape do involve drinking or drugs, then you can hardly blame drinkin or drugs for rape.

  8. I’m very big on self-defense, partly because I grew up in a fairly rough-and-tumble family (family wrestling, tackle football in the backyard with my brothers) and I’m always surprised at the psychological barriers a lot of women seem to have around the whole concept. Also I have an orthopedic disability that means my chances of knocking a guy out are vastly better than me outrunning him.

    But I’ve definitely seen the concept twisted from “here’s something potentially useful” to “if a woman wants to prevent rape, she must do the following”, and that’s just bullshit. So I’m thinking of some ideas for when and how to talk about self-defense. Here’s what I’ve come up with:

    – Don’t always talk about self-defense. It’s important, but doesn’t need to be included in every article, new segment, etc. Putting it in every time makes it sound like THE way to avoid rape, not a sometimes-effective, potentially useful way.

    – Unless it’s something specifically about self-defense, talk at least as much about other areas of rape prevention, including not being a rapist, not encouraging rapists, and not letting your friends be rapists.

    – Not using every concievable means of prevention that might have worked isn’t the same as causing rape, being at fault, or bringing it on themselves. You don’t yell at someone in a burn ward for not wearing an asbestos shirt, you don’t lecture someone whose kid was just stolen for thinking a child that age was old enough to walk to school by themself, and you don’t criticize a rape victim for drinking out of a strange cup, being alone in the room with a guy, or whatever proves she wasn’t engaged in absolutely perfect rape prevention at all times.

    Any other suggestions?

  9. Whenever people mention the correlation between alcohol and rape as a way to warn women not to rape, I point out that the rapist is more likely to be drunk than the victim. I’m glad someone with a wider audience got a chance to point this out.

    Sometimes I think we’re doing a real disservice by portraying rapists as “inhuman” or “monsters.” Rape is committed by real people. Sometimes those people can be your friends, boyfriends, family members, etc. They have often shown themselves to be trustworthy in the past. They can be genuinely nice people in many aspects of their lives, and then they commit rape.

    Making rapists inhuman:
    1. Causes more victim-blaming and self-blame. You can be raped by someone you trust. And you can be raped by someone you had every reason to trust, because he is a generally nice person in every other situation. Victims get subtly blamed for not “picking up on the signals” that this person is inhuman (no reflection in the mirror?) and avoiding the situation.
    2. Allows men not to question their own actions. Everyone thinks of himself as a good person. A person who could never rape. Therefore what he is doing cannot be rape. Drunkenly fucking a half-passed-out woman isn’t really rape, because he could never be a rapist.
    3. Gives many people a sense of impotence in the face of the inevitability of rape. Rapists are like wolves; they’re just out there; you can’t do anything about it but stay away from the woods. This allows us to keep our resources away from societal changes that actually do reduce the rape.

    And Carpenter: I know I’m not a large statistical sample, but of two rapes and one attempted rape, I was drunk once, and to the point of near-blacking-out then. The rapist was drunk in two of the cases and I strongly suspect on drugs in the third. In the same time period, in my consensual sexual activity I or my partner was drunk maybe 10% of the time. Maybe as high as 20% for non-relationship sex, 5% in relationship sex.

  10. If most male/female encounters that dont involvle rape do involve drinking or drugs, then you can hardly blame drinkin or drugs for rape.

    As I took it, the point was that rapists are to blame for rape, not drinking or drugs.

  11. Probably rapists meet people in social situations then rape them If you are of a certain age socialization goes along with drinking. Alcohol is in no way causing rape, the correlation is just becuase thats how people socialize. Then what do you tell people? Don’t socially interact with your peer group, you might get raped?
    So my point is I bet rapists and only rapists are to blame for rape, and measuring against a control group of drinkers would prove that even more than just saying the rapist was more likely to have been drinking.

  12. Thomas, your comparison of sex as a commodity vs. sex as a performance was *spot on*. I’ve never seen it laid out better — I think it solves a whole lot of cognitive/societal perception issues in one swell foop. I just call ’em as I see ’em. *grin*

  13. Thomas – your analogy to dancing cracked me in a dark, better-to-laugh-than-cry sort of way, b/c as a matter of fact, last time I went dancing, some guy did in fact stand there attempting to dance with me as I just stood there hoping he would go away since I was clearly not interested. I didn’t get raped, being on a dance floor and not a sofa, but it was the exact same dynamic – entitled badgering on his part coupled with polite, not-wanting-to-make-a-fuss on mine. Damn, I hate the Patriarchy.

  14. Frumious, when I was a college student, lots of women I knew went to straight night at the local gay club, and then the bohemian hetboys followed, and then the women went to not-straight-night at the gay club, and the bohemian hetboys followed, so that they could pester het women for sex in exactly the place that the het women went so that they would not get pestered for sex …

    le sigh. Entitled hetboys ruin everything. Whaddayagonna do? Can’t live with ’em, can’t fit all those bodies in the trunk.

  15. (Let’s see if this works…)

    le sigh. Entitled hetboys ruin everything. Whaddayagonna do? Can’t live with ‘em, can’t fit all those bodies in the trunk.

    Bwahahahahaha! But I hear the East River is big enough for pretty much anything you need to hide… *grin*

  16. I’ve had the pleasure of seeing Jaclyn Friedman in performance on several occassions and she is, indeed, very cool. And her message here is very right. It ought to be basic common sense, but obviously men are given the benefits of entitlement enough that it isn’t. Men get to be excused for their behavior and the burden is transfered to women to prevent it. Men put up with rape. Even men who would never do it, put up with it. They put up with the rationalizations and excuses. They put up with the notion that women should be afraid of men rather than suggest that men act responsibly. Men need to be a part of the solution here. All men need to stop looking at rape as a woman’s issue. Its an issue for all of us, and the “good guys” are the ones who need to step up the most. We need to get that no-means-no, and that’s okay. We need to realize that it doesn’t kill the mood to ask to have sex and get a clear answer. There is nothing sexy about assuming a woman wants it. Ask. Its easy. Its an integral part of my foreplay. I ALWAYS ask. I don’t care if I’ve been dating someone for years. I ask. You don’t assume. You don’t act entitled. You recognize that this is another person, that this is a partner not a toy. This doesn’t change your life. Its not an overwhelming burden. But if you change the culture of sex from one of entitlement to partnership, you can go a long way towards reducing a culture which puts up with rape. There is no good reason for men not to take action. We have every responsibility to do so and we need to stop perpetuating the idea that women are the people who can stop rape. We need to stand-up and be part of the solution. Its just that simple.

  17. You recognize that this is another person, that this is a partner not a toy. This doesn’t change your life. Its not an overwhelming burden. But if you change the culture of sex from one of entitlement to partnership, you can go a long way towards reducing a culture which puts up with rape. There is no good reason for men not to take action. We have every responsibility to do so and we need to stop perpetuating the idea that women are the people who can stop rape. We need to stand-up and be part of the solution. Its just that simple.

    Hallelujah! Preach on!

  18. Entitled hetboys ruin everything.

    Tell me about that. I was the woman at the local gay and lesbian bar who kept meeting girls who were actually straight, and so happy to be in a bar where no one was trying to pick up on them, and thought I was there for the same reason. This would usually come up after I’d bought them a drink, and basically been as flirtatious as I could without feeling like a complete creep. Only to discover that they hadn’t even noticed, and thought the woman buying them drinks in a gay bar was just being friendly.

    Then I started getting bugged by guys, and had to have the, “You’re here to meet girls? So am I,” conversation, which didn’t even work.

    Entitled hetboys ruin lesbian dating.

  19. You rock BStu! More people need to think of sex, relationships, etc in terms of partnership and not in terms of what they think they’re entitled to.

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