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“Madame Speaker” is good for all of us

I know it’s been a brain-popping week here at Feministe, between PETA and Dr. Helen and Purity Kids and slutty cat-ladies. So today I bring you something happy: This Alternet article about why feminism is good for everyone. We’ve written quite a bit in the past about how sexism and patriarchal social structures hurt men, too (even while certain classes of men also benefit). Neil Chethik tells his personal story about how coming of age during the women’s liberation movement helped him to realize his own autonomy and choose his own path:

I noticed this first in college as I contemplated my future work life. Feminism freed me from the expectation that I would be the primary wage-earner in my family. Where I had once considered a career based largely on how much money I would earn, now I could ask myself: What do I really want to do?

Thus, my interest in going to law school vanished; my passion for writing took precedence. I entered a profession that I still enjoy today.

Feminism also benefited me in my relationships with women. The women I dated in college and afterward no longer looked at me as a “success object” — someone who would provide for them. They were strong and motivated enough to take care of themselves. They sought careers and adventure, and a man who would be an equal partner. Thus, I had the luxury of dating, and eventually marrying, a woman whose full potential was not curtailed by society’s limitations.

After I married, my options continued to expand. With my wife sharing the responsibility of earning our family income, I had the opportunity to share in raising our son. In his earliest years, I stayed home with my son every morning before handing him over to my wife in the afternoons.

Later, when he started school, I was the one who met him as he came off the bus at the end of the school day. My wife treated me as a parental equal. Our relationships allowed me the flexibility to coach my son’s baseball teams, attend his band performances and visit his classrooms to meet his friends and teachers.

My own father has lamented to me that he didn’t have as close a relationship with his children as he would have liked. Whatever regrets I have in raising my son, a lack of time with him will not be one of them.

Indeed, I’ll be sitting next to my now 13-year-old son on Tuesday when the president stands to deliver his State of the Union address. I’ll point to Pelosi and remind him that this is a historic day. Her rise to third-in-line to the presidency, I’ll tell him, is an indication not only that girls and women can achieve their dreams, but that boys and men can do the same.

Indeed, feminism and the reproductive freedom movement have brought fantastic benefits to American society. As Neil points out in his article, men have wider career choices now that the burden of being the sole family bread-winner has been alleviated. Parents of both sexes spend more time with their children than they did 25 years ago when far fewer women were in the work force; they spend more time with their children than they did even in those mythical 1950s. Maternal and infant mortality rates have dropped. Poverty has been cut in half. More people have access to education. More people have voice in the public sphere.

Of course, there’s still a lot more to be done. But it’s worth taking stock of the victories that feminism has achieved for men and women and boys and girls.


14 thoughts on “Madame Speaker” is good for all of us

  1. Have you noticed how the more women get out into the workforce and become more financially independent, the increasingly shrill MRAs get about how women are a bunch of money-grabbing gold diggers? I wonder if this is just reaction-formation… they’re worried that all of the classic trophy-wife gold diggers are in danger of going extinct and they’ll have to find a way to woo a mate on an impoverished personality account.

  2. Well said, Ponygirl. The point about feminism liberating men from being “success objects” is a salient one, even if — to be fair — it was men themselves who set up the dynamic that forced women to rely upon men for financial survival.

    One other benefit, implied but not made explicit above: I never have to worry that my business manager/executive wife is staying with me out of fear of what will happen to her if she leaves. Her options are many, her success assured; her commitment to me is thus made without the fear of poverty as an alternative. I like that.

  3. I especially like this perspective when you think about how many pop cultural products focus on the inability of fathers and children to connect with one another.

    Not my fave but how many men do you know cry like wee babes at the end ofField of Dreams? Its that Daddy thing. I have met a couple they try to hold it in, cultural mandates and all that but it strikes a nerve.

  4. Amen. Part of my feminism comes from altruism, and part from being the father of a girl, and part from plain old common sense. But part of it is also selfish. I like being an equal parent to my daughter. I like being one of two primary caregivers, instead of a glorified babysitter. I like leaving work to go to pre-school conferences. I like that I have that option today–because thirty years ago, I wouldn’t have.

    Feminism is about helping women achieve equality, because women have it worse than men in our society. But executed properly, feminism is not about tearing men down but building everyone up. That’s the part that the MRAers never seem to get–that when they’re complaining about not being taken seriously as a parent, that feminism is the best route to that happy destiny.

  5. I’ve had similar results in my life from looking at men and women and learning to use fewer boundary conditions in life’s equations. I grew up in a family that had the `50s Americana husband-wife dynamic. Even into college, I had not thought of and had little conception of any other version of adulthood.

    To say I’ve diverged from that now is an understatement. But a combination of things(mostly punk, Physics, and Emma Goldman), gave me the ability to take a hard look at things in life and analyze them for their worth. I have become a someone who earnestly tries to find what you could term a balanced relationship. There has been an ensuing difficulty with number of people within my family and immediate friends(both men and women) explaining what I look for in my relationships, since frankly such things are not what they know.

    I have left a trail of women in my life(friends and X’s) that that know how to operate power tools and do home remodeling. In return I have learned all sorts of interesting things that frequently considered to be in the realm of female interests. I’m at the point, where I just try to work on things without starting with large-scale adjustments if I am doing things with men or with women. Some point to my single status and think my ideas and actions are an experiment that has not worked. Overall though, I’m happier now then when I tried meeting up to a metric that never fit well for me from the go.

  6. Jeff, MRAs don’t “get it” because they want all the benefits of the old, traditional arrangements without any of the responsibilities or drawbacks.

  7. Jeff, MRAs don’t “get it” because they want all the benefits of the old, traditional arrangements without any of the responsibilities or drawbacks.

    Yup. It’s kind of like the minimum wage debate.

  8. Jeff, MRAs don’t “get it” because they want all the benefits of the old, traditional arrangements without any of the responsibilities or drawbacks.

    Point well taken. But I misdoubt there are a few men sucked into the MRA orbit who really do mean what they say about wanting to be a more involved parent–for those men, who are serious about wanting equality at home, the MRA rhetoric can sound good. Its destructive quality isn’t self-evident if your defenses are down.

  9. There are plenty of groups out there that could potentially lure a person in by claiming to represent their altruistic interests. I’m not going to fault a guy for wanting to spend more time with his kids and checking out an MRA group because he feels that there’s an inequity in family law. I will fault him when he sticks around when the hate-speech and misogyny starts.

  10. Jill, thank you for focusing on this vital issue.

    (alternet article) Feminism also benefited me in my relationships with women. The women I dated in college and afterward no longer looked at me as a “success object” — someone who would provide for them. They were strong and motivated enough to take care of themselves. They sought careers and adventure, and a man who would be an equal partner. Thus, I had the luxury of dating, and eventually marrying, a woman whose full potential was not curtailed by society’s limitations

    The most important concept here is that feminism is NOT concerned with redistributing power from men to women, within a fremework of injustice and explotiative relationships.

    Rather, Feminism is concerned with eliminating forms of human interaction based on injustice and or exploitation, in order to realize a better way of relating with each other and in turn a better society..(thoughts?)

    btw,

    men have wider career choices now that the burden of being the sole family bread-winner has been alleviated. Parents of both sexes spend more time with their children than they did 25 years ago when far fewer women were in the work force; they spend more time with their children than they did even in those mythical 1950s. Maternal and infant mortality rates have dropped. Poverty has been cut in half. More people have access to education. More people have voice in the public sphere.

    yay!

  11. Every time there’s a story about feminism on Alternet, I cringe. Without fail, a sizable segment of the comments are extremely hostile.

    I don’t read a lot of Alternet, but I’m given to understand that it’s somewhat to the political left. Does this happen with other topics? Do stories about taxation bring a crowd of commenters calling for a repeal of the death tax? Do stories about Iraq attract a large contingent of staunch Bush supporters? Do stories about AIDS elicit calls for the return of sodomy laws?

    Or, as I suspect, is there a significant subset of men on the left who really, really hate women and believe that it’s acceptable to air their views in public on a liberal forum?

  12. As a child my father regularly worked 60-70 hours a week while my mom raised us. Dad would be home for dinner, then go to the basement to work for a few hours more. He did the best he could with the time he had, but it wasn’t much.

    I much prefer our model where we split earning money and childcare. The drawback for me is I’ll never climb the corporate ladder (here, now) because I can’t hop on a plane at moments notice or work until 9 o’clock unless I plan well in advance. I’m OK with the tradeoff for the most part because family comes first, but I do have somewhat frustrated ambitions. Maybe things will be better at the next company I work for. I have recently learned just how much my company is an old boys club. Since I’m not one of them, I doubt I’ll have much influence to change things here. More likely it will getme labeled a trouble-maker. Spouse is not in quite the same boat because she is a nurse with mad skills who has no desire to be in management any time soon.

  13. The point about feminism liberating men from being “success objects” is a salient one, even if — to be fair — it was men themselves who set up the dynamic that forced women to rely upon men for financial survival.

    The thing about patriarchy that needs to be pointed out at every opportunity is that it’s set up to give the greatest benefits to a small number of men, while throwing the crumbs to the rest. That’s why it needs to be racist and sexist — without that release valve of being socially permitted to treat at least a few people the way they’re treated, all of the men with less status start to ask, “Hey, what’s in it for me?”

    The most heavily patriarchal societies are polygamous ones where older men marry several much younger women. When this happens, the younger men are unable to marry at a young age and end up having to essentially apprentice themselves at low wages to older, richer men in the hopes that 10 or 20 years from now, they will have saved up enough money to get married. That is, of course, assuming the young men don’t do someone (or are not accused of doing something) that violates the society’s rules and end up getting themselves banished or imprisoned.

    And if you think I’m only talking about all of those “other” people overseas, it happens right here at home.

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