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We’ve secretly replaced Cary Tennis with Folger’s Crystals

Seriously. What’s gotten into Cary Tennis? He’s given some good advice for once:

One night, after talking about a friend of ours who met his girlfriend in a threesome, he asked me if I had ever been in one. It didn’t occur to me to lie, particularly about something I consider so minor, so I answered honestly and told him yes.

After that, everything changed. The night I told him I’d had a threesome, he cried and said he felt sick. He became so angry with me that he began to pick at me, and it seems like everything I do is wrong. Overnight, I went from being in a relationship that made me even more confident and happy with myself to being in a relationship that brings me down and constantly reminds me of my shortcomings. . .

I can’t keep feeling so ashamed of a past I had come to terms with, but I also can’t bring myself to give up on someone that I love so much. Before the threesome fiasco, we’d been talking about marriage and our future, and now I wonder how he could have meant any of that. If he loved me so much, how could his love and respect for me be so conditional? Is there anything he can do to get over this, or am I going to have to forget about how good things used to be and move on?

Regretting Telling

Dear Regretting,

This guy is nuts. What’s wrong with having a threesome?

No, don’t marry him. Get away from him. He sounds crazy. Not to be too judgmental, but really. . . .

I don’t know how you deal with the hurt of this ending, but obviously you cannot be with someone the rest of your life who can’t deal with something from your past like that.

OK, so maybe it was dumb to tell him. But you found out something. You found out he’s nuts.

Color me stunned. Go on with your bad self, Cary! You almost sound like Dan Savage.

I’ve written before on how and why I believe that it’s not really anyone’s business what I got up to sexually before I met them unless there was some kind of aftereffect — disease, unexplained short people running around, what have you — that might affect my partner; and while that’s the kind of information I might very well share with a partner voluntarily, I don’t consider it something to be demanded of me. This guy clearly has issues, clearly has insecurities, and clearly wants to have something to hold over his girlfriend’s head (or else he might, you know, actually have gone to therapy and done something there).

But the thing that really got me was the part of the letter where the girlfriend was saying that they’d been discussing marriage. They were discussing marriage, and yet she didn’t know about this sacredness, this insecurity, and all his rules about sex. Probably because they’d never discussed that. It never fails to surprise me how many people get married without asking some pretty damn basic questions and raising some pretty damn basic points of discussion (like, say, whether there will be a TV in the bedroom). Or, say, whether to have kids.


33 thoughts on We’ve secretly replaced Cary Tennis with Folger’s Crystals

  1. Just want to add here that not only is the above-mentioned boyfriend a complete catastrophe, but the writer should actually be grateful that s/he was honest — now s/he’s at least aware of the boyfriend’s ridiculous issues. We should all be able to talk openly about sex with people we’re in sexual relationships with — otherwise, what’s the point?

    A question for the boyfriend: have you ever fallen off a bridge into ice-cold water, been pulled down to the bottom by gravity, eventually to be devoured by human-eating bacteria?

  2. Hmm. I’d missed the “talking about marriage” part before.

    This couldn’t possibly be the guy’s incredibly immature way of backing out, could it?

  3. Well, there’s a chance the dude could get over himself. But I wouldn’t wait around for it to happen. I was in a similar situation once, and it took me no more thn a week to come to my senses and realize I was being a total douchebag. And once it left it left for good.

    I would recommend issuing an ultimatum first. People can change when told point blank they’re being douchebags. Sometimes they don’t, and in that case, fuck them. You can learn a lot about a person by presenting them with a choice: choose to get over it or choose to keep being a douchebag.

  4. . . . unless there was some kind of aftereffect — disease, unexplained short people running around . . .

    I’m being kinda slow this morning, so I spent a few seconds going ‘unexplained short people running around?? what on earth . . .?’ before realizing oh, children!

    More coffee, methinks . . .

    And yes, good for Cary Tennis – hopefully he’ll keep it up. The woman who wrote in has showed up in the Pandagon comments, btw.

  5. Asking only helps if they don’t hide their reactions. Try a person who after two years of marriage tells you how much your sexual tastes repel her. Ask her why she hid this and she responds that she thought she could change my persona and lead me to what she thought was right.

    Everything with her was right and wrong, never a preference and never a choice.

  6. unexplained short people running around

    Hee!

    “You should know, darling, that after my long and satisfying affair with the Amazing Small Brothers Juggling Troupe I felt they would be a part of my life forever. Don’t worry, they don’t mind sharing the guest rooms.”

    Also, who doesn’t have mental/emotional illness in the family? It is a rather common thing.

  7. “They’re, uh, dwarves. House dwarves. No, I haven’t tried to get rid of them. Did you know they eat mosquitoes, centipedes, and other house pests? That’s why it’s bad luck to kill a house dwarf.”

    …What’s up with Cary Tennis? He sounds…normal. No longer in love with the sound of his own keyboard?

  8. It is extremely difficult to judge these cases. For one thing, we only ever get one side of the story, and it’s always going to be a version of events that casts the teller in the most favorable light. We simply do not know what really went on between these two people. You can not assume everything this person says is accurate, or the only interpretation of events. “Talking about marriage” can mean anything from a throwaway comment about wanting to be married one day to an actual conversation about the specifics of a wedding. We don’t know if this is really the reason they are breaking up, or if this is the result of much deeper issues and this is the trigger or excuse.Pretending you know anything about this guy is ridiculous, Some of the commenters seem to be speaking from their own personal baggage and that’s just not right. I’d suggest learning a bit about game theory, specifically relationships games.

  9. HE CRIED??? Over this? What a wuss! Find yourself a real man.

    As for why people get married without thinking too much about it.

    Student: How do we know when we fall in love?
    Mr. Krabappel: Oh, don’t you worry. Most of you will never fall in love and marry out of fear of dying alone.

  10. I would think that, instead of crying and getting all goofy about it, he’d start trying to figure out how to have a threesome of his own with his girl and one of her friends. Odd set of issues with that guy.

  11. HE CRIED??? Over this? What a wuss! Find yourself a real man.

    The crying is not the problem. I’ve had Real Men (TM) that cry, but not ones that obsess over my sexual history to the point where it destroys a relationship. Quite a difference there.

  12. Because it’s the same every time.

    How dare you feminists be so judgmental! You should all very very, very ashamed.

  13. I’ve been thinking about recommendations to get counseling lately… counseling isn’t always an option. A counselor might not be available, or affordable, and there is the huge stigma attached. Rationally, one should not have that association, but if rational behavior were a default, half these advice columnists would be out of business. I think I’m going to back off the “get counseling” advice, good though it might be. That’s sort of an aside, though.

    The guy might not have realized how strong his reaction would be to his girlfriend’s past history. He may have surprised even himself. He might be able to get over it. I’m with Knifeghost – give him the option to get over before dumping him. If he won’t at least work on (with or without a professional counselor), or won’t at least admit it’s his issue, not hers, then go ahead and DTMFA.

  14. “Will there be a television in the bedroom?”

    What?! Is this one of the burning questions that plagues marrages?

  15. whoa – I take back everything (well, except the backing off on recommending counseling). I wasn’t thinking clearly enough to realize that even on Folgers Crystals, Cary Tennis columns are long and zuzu did not quote the whole thing. Now that I know more, DTMFA. Sorry Knifeghost, the douchbag had his chance for six months in a row, and the girlfriend should kick him to the curb.

  16. Thank you, zuzu, for reminding me of those commercials.

    This guy is a douche. If he doesn’t want to be with someone who was in a threesome, fine. But you could have (respectfully) broken things off with her when he found out, or taken time away from the relationship to figure out how he felt. Instead, he stays with her full time and tries to make her feel ashamed of her past. That makes him a POS.

  17. “Will there be a television in the bedroom?”

    What?! Is this one of the burning questions that plagues marrages?

    You’d be surprised. I would NEVER have a TV in my bedroom. But there are many who wouldn’t live without it.

  18. What?! Is this one of the burning questions that plagues marrages?

    Yep. Sharing living space is about where to compromise and where you’ll draw the line in the sand.

    I don’t want a TV in the bedroom. If one person is having trouble sleeping, why mess with the other person’s sleep by introducing a flickering light and maybe some noise (if there are no earbuds)? I’m also reminded of that Sally Field joke in “Punchline” when she says she knew the honeymoon was over when her husband said, “Honey, can you move your head? I’m trying to watch Johnny Carson.”

  19. whoa – I take back everything (well, except the backing off on recommending counseling). I wasn’t thinking clearly enough to realize that even on Folgers Crystals, Cary Tennis columns are long and zuzu did not quote the whole thing. Now that I know more, DTMFA. Sorry Knifeghost, the douchbag had his chance for six months in a row, and the girlfriend should kick him to the curb.

    Seconded — I didn’t know there was more to the story. Six months is way way way longer than I would put up with that kind of bullshit.

  20. From the article.

    He says that he sees sex as sacred, and even though he’s not religious, he has all of these rules on what is right and what is wrong.

    That prompted a cringe of (long-forgotten) recognition. Thank fuck I got over myself before I started having sex.

  21. I’m having a flashback to the early months with my ex.

    Ex: What’s the matter? You look kinda spaced out.
    Me: Oh, this song that’s playing on the radio. It was one of my last boyfriend’s favourites, so it took me back for a second.
    Ex: I’m trying *really hard* to forget about your past, but you’re *not making it very easy*.
    Me: WTF?

    I should have taken the hint. I should have taken the hint.

  22. I’m another one who was not as nice as I could’ve been about my husband’s sexual history, but got over it pretty quickly when I realized it didn’t matter. I grew up being told “True love waits for their future spouse, blah blah” and since I was a virgin when we met, I felt almost cheated that he wasn’t. I got over it very quickly though and we moved on. 6 months is ridiculous and there is absolutely NO reason to make her try and feel guilty. Even in the height of my issues, I realized it was my issue and not his.
    As far as not asking important questions before you get married, it’s amazing to me how many people don’t, or who believe “true love” can conquer all. I’ve always known I wanted children, my husband was ambivalent. I made sure that he knew it was not something I was willing to negotiate on before we got married and he was absolutely fine with it. I wouldn’t have married him if we disagreed. I was talking to my BIL who insinuated I didn’t really love him if I would have walked away, because “you can always work through it”. Well, no. Sometimes the kindest thing you can do is walk away because you love the person and you know that you aren’t what they are looking for. What if you want to live in Californis and have 6 kids and your significant other wants to live in NY and not have any kids… there really is no room for a workable compromise.

  23. My ex loved to hold my past over my head, even though I had done a 180 years before. He got some sort of uppity moral satisfaction rubbing past sex and drug use in my face — still does, actually.

    Piece of advice from one who cares: Don’t have kids with these kinds of people.

  24. Have you tried a patronizing smirk and “It’s sad that you’re still so jealous”? Or “And yet, you fathered a child with me”?

    Pretending you know anything about this guy is ridiculous,

    We know that he’s been a whiny twit for six months because his girlfriend answered a question he asked about her sexual history. Why you believe this has anything to do with game theory, I have no idea.

  25. The funny thing is, the past that sometimes got held over my head was my lack of a past. If you know what I mean.

  26. Ok, in practical terms, I guess I can see how a TV in the bedroom could be a contentious issue. I am still a bit floored though. I wouldn’t have guessed that one would end up on the list of common issues.

  27. Ok, in practical terms, I guess I can see how a TV in the bedroom could be a contentious issue. I am still a bit floored though. I wouldn’t have guessed that one would end up on the list of common issues.

    I’d rather phrase it as TV use in the bedroom.

    We have a TV in the bedroom. I use it when folding clothing or doing other bedroom-related chores. I use it for my Yoga DVDs when the husband is using the TV in the family room.

    I would never use it when he was trying to sleep, and he’d never use it when I was trying to sleep. That’s what the couch and TV in the family room are for.

  28. My non-psycho ex did this. I told him I fucked my coworker when we weren’t dating, pretended to not care, and then brought it up a week later during a fight because he was jealous. Actually, brought it up more than once during fights. He seriously wanted me to feel bad about something that wasn’t worth feeling bad about at all. And then he tried to say that if this and that hadn’t been true about him, he would’ve reacted really badly.

    ‘What are you talking about? You DID react badly. You sent me this whole backhanded email that I thought was about an actual issue until you brought up my coworker, which made it obvious that you were just being a jealous fuck.’

    ‘Well, yeah… but still…’

    ‘BUT STILL WHAT? I blew your point out of the fucking water!’

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