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Spreading the Creative Wealth

Amanda has a post up about the concentration of the “creative class” in hip urban cities, and how the not-quite-hip cities are struggling to attract younger people. Quite an argument has started up in the comments about how we define the “creative class” — Amanda asserts that the creative class is the degreed class, whereas many commenters argue that a degree isn’t necessary to be an artist, dancer, writer, etc.

But as someone who moved from one young, hip city (Seattle) to what’s possibly the quintessential hip city (New York), I have thoughts. When Amanda says “the creative class,” I don’t take her to simply mean “creative people” or even “people who make art.” I take her to mean the culture-drivers, the people who decide what’s worth paying attention to and who set the standards of “cool” for the rest of the country. These people are not necessarily the artists and the actual creators — but they’re the ones who determine how successful said artists and creators are, and who shape what youth culture looks like. Of course, the artists and the creators will be drawn to the areas where there will be a large, receptive community to their art — namely, larger cities with a decidedly “hip” contingent.

But it’s that first group — the culture-drivers — who really matter. Artists can create away, but if no one is paying attention then, obviously, their creations don’t register. And having gone to NYU and living in the East Village, I’ve met more than a few of the people who make artists matter. Here’s what they generally have in common: (1) A college education; (2) lots of disposable income; (3) time and energy. This certainly isn’t anything new. Edie Sedgwick wasn’t exactly poor; the Misshapes kids and the audience they cater to aren’t struggling. Of course, this isn’t true of every hipster in the country, but there is certainly a large degree of social and economic privilege involved. How many people can afford to graduate from college and then accept an unpaid internship in a “creative” field while they live in New York and go to shows and parties every night? How many people in their 20s have the security of knowing that whatever they do today, it’ll work out? It’s these kids — the ones who say they like bands you’ve never heard of (but go to the shows largely to socialize) and who complain about gentrification (but who just moved in two years ago) and who apologize for their parents’ SUVs (but are forced to drive them anyway when they go home) — who dictate what “cool” even means.

Following them are white-collar workers who are eager to consume what has been deemed cool. These are the young lawyers, investment bankers, advertising execs, and other well-paid professional-class work-hard-play-hard types — the Carrie Bradshaws, if we’re going to go with the ultimate stereotype. These are the people who have the money to consume “cool,” but don’t necessarily have the time to define it. They’re decidedly different scenes, at least in New York, but you can bet that the i-bankers will pick up where the hipsters left off. Last month they were at a Modest Mouse show; this week they’re trying to get into the Misshapes party, because it was written up in Style section of the Times.

Perhaps this is a New York-centric thing, but I’m not so sure. I’m willing to bet that the people who define “hip” today — throughout this country, and maybe world-wide — are the same kind of people who have always shaped it: Wealthy, privileged, educated and bored, but too creative and intelligent to go the way of Paris Hilton. And the people who propel “hip” to mass consumption levels are the ones who are wealthy, privilged and educated, but occupying more traditional career spaces and being decidedly more mainstream than the really cool kids (or being wealthy, educated, privileged and bored, but uncreative and vapid — think Paris Hilton).

These are not the kinds of people who are going to live in the suburbs, or in rural areas.

The career-wealthy (perhaps “yuppies” would be a better term, but it feels a little 80s to me) often live in cities because the kinds of professional careers in which young people are able to thrive financially — in law, business, etc — tend to be in large cities. So economics matter. Well-paying professional careers for younger people matter. And those well-paid young professionals are almost without exception going to be extremely well-educated. Of course, there are certainly plenty of these people in places like Dallas, but Dallas is still missing that something — and that’s where the cultural shapers come in when creating “hip” cities. To make a city hip, you need more than a few museums and some music venues. You need the people who define what’s worth seeing, listening to, and participating in.

It’s not as simple as wealth — although wealth matters. It’s not just about economics, although those matter too. Wealth and opportunity alone do not a hip city make. And it doesn’t work to bring up the rare individual multi-billionaires who made it without graduating from college. When we’re talking about building entire cities of “coolness,” one or two rich people don’t cut it. It takes entire classes of people creating, picking and choosing what’s worthy, consuming, and then consuming in mass.

It’s also not as simple as arguing that “no one wants to be where they’re bored and unappreciated.” Shaping and creating culture has traditionally been a very youthful endeavor, for the reaons listed above — extra income, extra energy and lots of extra time. By the time most people hit their mid-30s, there’s at least a shortage of the last two. And even if there isn’t, there’s a dearth of people in your peer group who share your cutting-edge interests. You give it up to the next generation. And so age matters, too.

Amanda focuses on the question of how to distribute the “creative class” across the country, in an effort to turn more red states blue. While that would be nice, I’m not sure there’s any practical way to do it. After all, culture-shaping requires some degree of amalgamation and concentration. The reason why so many creative types come to New York and San Francisco and LA is because they know that there’s an established class of people in those cities who collectively decide what’s cool, and once that class gives its stamp of approval, more mainstream audiences will follow. You can’t just up and move that by building a few concert halls and opening an Asian fusion restaurant — which seems to be the same conclusion that Amanda reaches.

So yes, the “creative class” — loosely defined as those who create, those who subsidize that creation, those who promote it and those who consume it — are disproportionately educated, wealthy, urban and liberal. But I’m not sure that the answer is to try and disperse this class of people around the country in order to gain more progressive votes. Instead, I’d like to see progressive movements focusing more on the needs and desires of people in “red” states, and shaping our message to them. Because the fact is, while progressive politics certainly don’t hurt rich urban liberals, they’re far more beneficial to people who are lower-income, who are struggling to feed their kids, who don’t have a choice to be a stay-at-home parent, who see many of the kids in their neighborhoods going off to Iraq, who don’t have the privilige of regularly going to openings and shows and performances. That’s who we should focus on — because the fact is, those people make up a far greater portion of our country than the people who get most of the attention. It’s not because they’re dumb or uncreative or tasteless, and I’m not suggesting that we condescend to the poor red-staters; I’m suggesting that most people don’t have the opportunity to be part of a creative class, and that we should emphasize the fact that progressive politics are far more in their interests than conservative ones are. And we should really evalute their interests, and listen to them. Which, of course, is the pat liberal answer that we hear recycled all the time. But either we just aren’t doing it, or we aren’t doing it right. I think it’s a combination of both. And I think that it can be fixed. That, I hope, will be far and away more effective than trying to shift deeply-ingrained cultural patterns that have existed for decades and don’t seem to be going anywhere anytime soon.

*Dislcaimer: I know this post is chock-full of generalizations, and you can poke pretty easy holes in it by arguing that this one uber-hipster you know is totally broke. That’s all good and fine, and there are obvious exceptions to every single sentence I’ve typed here — but in order to make somewhat decisive statements about “the culture” and “my generation,” I have to generalize. However, feel free to challenge if you think my generalizations are totally off base.


38 thoughts on Spreading the Creative Wealth

  1. I like this. I think the distinctions you made among creators, creativity promoters/subsidizers, and creativity consumers are valid, and with luck the clarification might keep the discussion from degenerating into “You’re a snob!/No, you’re the snob!” arguments.

    That’s who we should focus on — because the fact is, those people make up a far greater portion of our country than the people who get most of the attention. It’s not because they’re dumb or uncreative or tasteless, and I’m not suggesting that we condescend to the poor red-staters; I’m suggesting that most people don’t have the opportunity to be part of a creative class, and that we should emphasize the fact that progressive politics are far more in their interests than conservative ones are.

    And that gets a round of applause from me. Nothing elitist about it.

    One of the things I didn’t quite get at the Pandagon thread was the commenters who expressed bewilderment at relatively high concentrations of the “creative class” in areas that weren’t New York or San Francisco–Northern Arizona was the particular area that came up. But I don’t think an area being smallish or rural should necessarily disqualify it; Berkeley didn’t originate as a densely packed urban center, and if there’s one thing you’d expect artists in particular to appreciate, it’s proximity to nature.

    And I had a friend back in Phoenix who moaned regularly about how much she missed the queer quilting community she left behind in Lincoln, Nebraska. I really doubt Lincoln’s ever going to be considered “hip,” but to hear her tell it, it had a more creative, alternative vibe to it than Phoenix, and that’s not really so weird when you figure how much modern cities are plagued by the corporations they’re home to, so that your local coliseum becomes The Verizon Center, or whatever. So I don’t see small towns in the red states as automatically or hopelessly un-hip, though obviously if every potential culture-driver gets too fed up to stay in them, they will be.

  2. It’s not because they’re dumb or uncreative or tasteless, and I’m not suggesting that we condescend to the poor red-staters; I’m suggesting that most people don’t have the opportunity to be part of a creative class, and that we should emphasize the fact that progressive politics are far more in their interests than conservative ones are. And we should really evalute their interests, and listen to them.

    Well, gee. As one of the more obnoxious players over there. I like this.

    I’m getting soo fucking sick and tired of the phrase “red state.” The Republicans started this song and dance of urban educated elites who just don’t understand the rural and small city working class. And the so-called “progressives” bought into it, hook line and sinker. The fact of the matter is that there are very, very few communities where you can’t get something started. Perhaps its a campaign for school board, perhaps it’s starting the first GLBT group in the county, perhaps it’s the no-questions rideshare to the family planning clinic.

    Cesar Chavez and Eugene Debs both led political movements that were successful outside of the urban United States. I was inspired as a teen by Mellencamp/Nelson/Young’s Farm Aid in the 1980s. If anything, left-wing politics are more relevant to rural and small city areas today. There is no reason for leftists to give up on rural and small city areas.

  3. Okay, my trackback link didn’t include the part where I say something as opposed to comment on what you and Amanda said.

    Although hipsters are those who legitimize artists, they still tend to go to where the artists are. Paris’s creative class could stay in Versailles or the Champs Elysée, but it chose to follow the artists and the political radicals to the Latin Quarter. New York’s native cultural production began at Five Points and then continued in the Lower East Side; Greenwich Village was at its most productive before it became trendy and rising rents pushed the bohemian types to Williamsburg.

    Atlanta’s gentrification is about the surest way to prevent any cultural production from developing in the city. You need a Lower East Side, a Long Island City, a Harlem white people don’t dismiss as “nigger culture,” and a Hell’s Kitchen. Once you have those, the Upper West Side will legitimize and popularize your art for you.

  4. I haven’t read Amanda’s post yet, so I guess I should do that. I like what you have to say. I’ve had a lot of time to watch how the different types of people come to create art and coolness in a city, and you’re right, an essential component besides the artists are people who are “artistic” and born into wealth. Even up here in Canada. No good to grouse about it, they’re essential.

    As one of the people in the ecosystem of coolness who actually creates the art, I have to say that it all begins with Cheap Rent, because you can’t make art with no space and no time. Seriously, if you’re looking for the next hip place in 10 years, look where the rents are cheap right now. What looks like a big sorry mess cooking in the warehouses and studios will get polished up by the wealthy creatives in five years, and in 10 years – voila the Asian Fusion restauraunt and your overpriced drinks etc. Montreal in the early 90’s is a good example, for music.

  5. Good post. A lot of what you are talking about here has been generalized by location economics and game theory. The reason there are so many bright ‘productive’-types in NY or SF is purely because of a coordination game. They all want to be next to each other because a) it makes each individual more productive and b) they prefer their company (which isn’t captured in traditional economics).

    The reverse happens with poverty traps, where as soon as someone has opportunity to, say, ‘get out of the ghetto’, they do and thus the only people left are those who couldn’t get out. Thus perpetuating the poverty trap and undesireability of the environment.

    So the question of how to get ‘cool’ people out of the city is the same as the question of how to get ‘productive’ (or whatever the hell you want to call it) people to stay in the ghetto and turn it around. And again, it doesn’t help the development of the kids to grow up in a poverty trap because people do adopt social norms, practices and behavior from those around them when they are young. This means that not only do good people leave, but each generation is more adapted towards poverty because of their environment.

  6. These are the people who have the money to consume “cool,” but don’t necessarily have the time to define it. They’re decidedly different scenes, at least in New York, but you can bet that the i-bankers will pick up where the hipsters left off.

    That’s the pattern of gentrification in a nutshell—the monied urban professionals who want to consume cool generally only move into a neighborhood after it’s been occupied first by the bohemians and then by the cool-but-not-bohemians like graphic designers and the like. They don’t live in bohemian neighborhoods but they are usually nearby—for instance, in Austin, they don’t live on the East Side, but they live in neighborhoods close enough that they can come over for the scene.

  7. That said, there’s another very important reason to consider how we can spread out people of this group around the country—they have skills that are needed, period. Like I said in comments at Pandagon, the doctor issue is a biggie—as older doctors retire, they aren’t being replaced by new ones in parts of the country where it’s become downright unpleasant for educated professionals to live. It’s not just the lack of Modest Mouse shows, either. It’s a larger cultural problem—if you’re a young doctor, do you really want to move to someplace like Lubbock, TX, where your social opportunities all seem to stem from going to a church where they preach that evolution is the devil?

  8. Jill, you’re talking about the “patron class” here, not the “creative class”

    Patonige is not necessary. It follows, not leads. Creativity is more part of the “misfit class”, which requires something very cheap – in terms of places to live, places to meet and places to perform.

    None of this is met by the Cool Town method, and New York is not a good example here. NY is an expensive place where people go to in the second phase of their career – it’s a long time since they could start there (CBGB’s closed a couple of months ago for example).

    What you need is a critical mass of misfits in a small cheap area that is accessible to the patron class and then you’ve got it. Creatives come in, get their stuff done and then the patron class come in to watch. Think New Orleans pre Katrina. Think Austin.

    The patron class is missing there. What is (was) going on was creative people working together, supported by young business people taking a small risk to support them and projecting ‘cool’ to the patron class.

    NY is something different – it’s where you go to make it.

  9. Amanda focuses on the question of how to distribute the “creative class” across the country, in an effort to turn more red states blue. While that would be nice, I’m not sure there’s any practical way to do it. After all, culture-shaping requires some degree of amalgamation and concentration. The reason why so many creative types come to New York and San Francisco and LA is because they know that there’s an established class of people in those cities who collectively decide what’s cool, and once that class gives its stamp of approval, more mainstream audiences will follow. You can’t just up and move that by building a few concert halls and opening an Asian fusion restaurant — which seems to be the same conclusion that Amanda reaches.

    One big element that I think you haven’t really touched on in this piece is a culture that supports diversity. Because the culture drivers aren’t going to spend much time in a place that is not tolerant of letting one’s freak flag fly.

    PZ Myers recently wrote a post on small towns and churches, and one of the things he said was that small towns — in particular, the small town he lives in — are very supportive of the arts. People do theater there, as in producing it. But because most of the socialization opportunities and much of the audience is church-based, there’s not as much acceptance of diversity and queer culture and a lot of the things that come along with building a creative class. It’s the kind of environment that gives young people with a creative bent a chance to get acquainted and interested in the arts, but isn’t supportive enough of being different to keep them around.

  10. It’s a larger cultural problem—if you’re a young doctor, do you really want to move to someplace like Lubbock, TX, where your social opportunities all seem to stem from going to a church where they preach that evolution is the devil?

    Same goes for teachers and librarians, the under-the-radar culture-makers that are retiring by the hundreds every year.

  11. One big element that I think you haven’t really touched on in this piece is a culture that supports diversity. Because the culture drivers aren’t going to spend much time in a place that is not tolerant of letting one’s freak flag fly.

    Yup! What’s the point of making a living if your money isn’t good anywhere?

  12. I think low-cost education is a big thing, too. If an MFA is less lucrative than a paralegal certificate but not much more feasible than a law degree, people won’t gravitate towards arts careers and art students won’t have the choice to live in leaner areas after they graduate. I would go almost anywhere if I could get a cheap education in a place that supported its grad students.

  13. I said almost anywhere. Is education cheap over there? It’s sort of complicatedhere. We’ve got what used to be one of the best public higher-ed systems in the country, all the way from community college to the UC. Now it’s been so defunded that far fewer people can afford it, and those who can get an inferior education.

  14. One big element that I think you haven’t really touched on in this piece is a culture that supports diversity. Because the culture drivers aren’t going to spend much time in a place that is not tolerant of letting one’s freak flag fly.

    Absolutely. Richard Florida, creator of the “creative class” term, used demographic data to show that higher levels of diversity, particularly with regards to a higher gay population, correlate with higher levels of urban economic development. IOW, it’s *not* the urban infrastructure in the form of hip bars and trendy nightclubs that attracts the young, educated demographic, it’s a high level of open-mindedness and diversity. Which is a lot harder for urban planners and economic development officials to create than a new loft development or art gallery district.

    And “creative class” in his terminology doesn’t mean people who create culture; it means the so-called knowledge workers, who can be found in industries such as software development, biotechnology, pharmeceuticals: any quaternary or quinary economic sector where working with and creating information is the key activity. Such people are almost by definition required to have a college degree, and such people are not automatically progressives or Democratic voters.

  15. “The reason there are so many bright ‘productive’-types in NY or SF is purely because of a coordination game. They all want to be next to each other because a) it makes each individual more productive and b) they prefer their company (which isn’t captured in traditional economics).”

    Not exactly. I moved to new york to do art and acting but not because I wanted to be near my peers but because I could be free. In large groups of people the individual can get lost by the establishment to experiment. My artist friends and I can live five to an apartment, wait tables and say ANYTHING or do ANYTHING here because we aren’t noticed by the asshats who declare what is proper and what isn’t.

    I’m not the weirdest fish in the pond anymore.

    AND if I get something I want to promote and share there is a HUGE audience in NYC to try and reach.

    On top of that, art comes from personal experiences. You live and you’re an artist then how that life affects you will come out in the art. Large cities have many more experiences to go through.

    I have the oppourtunity to be in any group I want here, there’s felixiblity of identity. Take me back home and there’s only two groups, the churchies and the degenerates. I can make art with my friends but it will get stagnate and who’s ever gonna pay attention?

  16. I’ve always wondered about the gay population thing given the inherent problems you have in measuring a population with such varying degrees of secrecy.

  17. My in-laws are the ones who write/produce/design sets for the community theatre in Morris, where PZ lives. Even though they are artists and well educated, they are Evangelical Christians.

  18. I think Jill’s right up to a point. In order to achieve success artists generally need the support of patrons that you only find in big cities – the kind of well-off consumers who pride themselves as being on the cusp of things, and who are willing to spend a good part of their diposable income on going to these gigs or buying that art. However, that’s if you define sucessful as being lucrative or immediately influential. As others have pointed out, cheap rent is usually more indicative of a thriving creative scene. After all, it’s often argued that once that kind of money and attention become part of the equation the raw creativity can sometimes suffer and the ‘soul’ of the scene sucked out from the outside.

    Still, she’s spot on with the red state comment. I do think that one of the main liberal democrat failings is their willingness to caricature the voters on the opposite side as stupid and/or assholes instead of engaging with them on any level. That’s why the republicans are so successful categorising liberals as elitist. It’s less an elitism of power than one of intellectualism. In other words, the perception that liberals don’t care about, and won’t listen to anyone they don’t consider part of a so-called creative class.

  19. What I really like about your post is the way it foregrounds the reality of consumption in much of this “culture-driving” activity. Much of what’s being discussed here is a simple capitalist activity like any other, and there’s no reason to exult it just because people who can tell a cabernet sauvignon from a pinot noir are supposedly more likely to vote for socialists (note: I know no one has said anything like this). I really appreciate your decision to put the folks who know about ironic t-shirts and this Modest Mouse fellow into a larger, more critical framework (though I won’t draw any conclusions about your own attitudes towards capitalism and cultural consumption. But it would make a very interesting blog post, if I may say so without being too pushy.)

  20. Artists can create away, but if no one is paying attention then, obviously, their creations don’t register.

    So yes, the “creative class” — loosely defined as those who create, those who subsidize that creation, those who promote it and those who consume it — are disproportionately educated, wealthy, urban and liberal.

    I was wondering exactly what kind of art you’re thinking of here, because there are some movements (not just one broke uber-hipster) which don’t fit this description. The underground/indie/punk movement of the 1980s was quite decentralised, with activity in different states all over the country, and not only the usual ones. In fact, the isolation of Seattle and the even smaller towns near it contributed to the development of what became grunge. Of course, after Soundgarden, Nirvana etc broken, everyone lurved it, but the thing had been building for years with no financial reward & no mainstream attention.

  21. Well, sure, there are exceptions. But as a general rule, creative people and artists are drawn to big cities. Even many of the original people in the grunge scene moved to bigger cities once they had the means to do so. I mean, Nirvana didn’t stay in Aberdeen, right?

  22. The fact that the creative class is a product of economic geography means that we can’t depend on them as the backbone of liberal politics outside of their limited economic sphere. It’s my causual observation that the interests of the creative class in liberalism primarily involve diversity within their small pool of economic peers, and the availability of fair trade coffee.

  23. It’s my causual observation that the interests of the creative class in liberalism primarily involve diversity within their small pool of economic peers, and the availability of fair trade coffee.

    Speaking as someone who will have made it good upon obtaining a graduate degree if he has managed to get a full-time community-college teaching job with benefits, as opposed to five part-time community-college teaching jobs without benefits, I don’t think that’s true.

    Many creative people are shit broke, and they’re usually shit broke in the extremely expensive urban centers that can sustain a livable flow of patronage. There are some really good opportunities for social agitation in there, trust me. My small pool of peers would like to see higher education that isn’t out of reach for all but a few, rents that aren’t spiraling out of control again still some more, socialized healthcare, and some protection against the expendable part-timer trend in higher ed that has given us all eighty-hour work-weeks.

  24. Oh, and we’re all pissed off about defunded schools. Not only are our jobs there disappearing, the next generation is being trained out of art, music, literature, and scientific and technological exploration.

  25. Atlanta’s gentrification is about the surest way to prevent any cultural production from developing in the city. You need a Lower East Side, a Long Island City, a Harlem white people don’t dismiss as “nigger culture,” and a Hell’s Kitchen. Once you have those, the Upper West Side will legitimize and popularize your art for you.

    Have you been to Atlanta? ‘Cause I live here, and… yeah. I just want to make sure you’re not someone who’s never been to Atlanta – or who’s been here once, 4 years ago – trying to talk about the city on a grand scale. Because that is annoying.

  26. I relate to what CBrach is saying in that progressives are everywhere and should be encouraged “wherever they bloom”. The best progressive community I’ve been around was in an unexpectedly progressive area. It was literally in the “deep South”.

  27. piny: It’s not just about being shit broke, it’s also about which economic sector you work in. I’m a shit broke member of the “creative class” and hear my peers make the most apalling statements about people who work agriculture, retail, service, industrial or transportation jobs, especially workers for companies such as Wallmart.

  28. Except that economic sector isn’t really a predictor either. My experience doesn’t match yours at all, possibly since the creative-class people I know tend to also be working in other sectors as well.

  29. First, CBrachyrhynchos , I think I love you.

    But I’m kind of confused piny, I think you’re really saying that economic sector does have something to do with it. You’re saying that, b/c your peers also work in, say, retail, then they aren’t saying apalling shit about people in retail. Thus, actually being somethign other than a member of the creative class appears to mean that this helps them be less assholish about the rest of the people in the world. Yes?

    And I wouldn’t rule out the uniqueness of San Francisco which really does have a very progressive community.

    Someone else pointed out that, if this research is being used as a way to encourage the spread of blue state ideas to other areas that aren’t, supposedly, blue, then this is the wrong research to use. There’s nothing about the creative class that means they lean dem or republican. So the issue is dead in the water — unless someone has some other evidence to marshall to support the claim that the creative class can reshape electoral politics.

  30. Hmmm, wouldn’t the concentration of creative talent to large urban agglomerations just be a sign of the long tail?

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