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Feminists Speaking for Muslim Women

Ali has a post up today about Iranian divorce, and Western feminist involvement with the issues facing Muslim women in Islamic countries. Ali writes,

To me, it is better if a progressive rather than a Neo-Con gets gung ho about human rights in the Muslim world because the latter will try to solve the problem by occupation and turning half the country into ‘insurgents.’ The problem, of course, and I think Jill knows this full well (because she tries to confront it), is that progressives will not get gung-ho about human rights issues except as an academic exercise (or when they can get their universities involves). (They are often too afraid to come off as cultural imperialists — which is due to having taken a few too many post-colonial studies classes). Once they “learn” about an issue from an ‘insider’ party, they feel as if they have done their part – as if awareness is activism. This is what distinguishes progressive human rights activism from the activism of today’s neo-liberal semi-neo-conservative. The latter is actually action oriented (even if the action is highly dubious and altogether counter-productive, like invasion or economic sanctions).

Now, I see what he’s saying, but I’m not sure that he’s entirely understanding our (or at least my) motivations. I write about issues facing Muslim women, but I make an effort to recognize that I don’t speak for them, and that there are Muslim women who are speaking, writing and acting on behalf of themselves and other women who share their backgrounds.

I think it’s part of my responsibility, as someone who has a whole lot of privilege as a white woman living in developed nation, to listen to what these women are saying, and to make sure that they have a place at the table when we’re discussing issues that disproportionately affect them. I think it’s unfair, ignorant and offensive when Western feminists try and speak for Muslim women, or make wild assumptions about them, or dive head-first into their spaces without really understanding their complex cultural contexts. I think the method of Westerners trying to “reform” the backwards East has been a fantastic failure, and my feminism demands that we trust other women enough to allow them to reform their own societies and create their own demands. Now, that also means that as people who are fantastically privileged, we do what we can to give these women the tools to do that. A few Western feminist NGOs, like the Global Fund for Women, are good examples of this. What I can’t abide are Western feminists setting the dialogue for what women elsewhere should be concerned about, when the fact is that women elsewhere probably know damn well what the biggest issues facing their lives are.

I know that we all have good intentions, and the oppression of women around the world clearly angers me to no end. I obviously want to do whatever I can to end this oppression. But in fighting women’s oppression, we must make sure that we aren’t using our global privilege to silence or condescend the very women we’re trying to help. And we have to be careful, when examining other cultures, that we’re not orientalizing and othering them. This is nearly impossible when we’re Western feminists sitting in front of our computers in the United States or Canada or England. The fact is that we just don’t have a very good handle on the day to day lives, desires and needs of women in other countries if our scholarship focuses only on written laws and religious texts. Could someone from, say, Iran possibly understand the day to day experience of living in a female body in the United States by simply reading the Constitution, New York state laws, and the Bible? Probably not. If we aren’t listening to Muslim women, we’re missing their stories, and we’re nowhere near understanding the reality on the ground.

Beyond just making sure that we adhere to feminist ideals of trusting and empowering women, it’s also useful to look at the success of Western-centric modernization campaigns around Islam in particular, and examine how effective they’ve been.

Answer: Not particularly effective, especially not in the long run.

The best example I can think of for this is female genital cutting (also known as “female genital mutilation” or “female circumcision;” I’ll be using the abbreviation FGM from here on out). FGM is a long-standing cultural practice in Egypt and other areas of North Africa. It was never a strictly religious tradition, and was practiced by Muslims, Coptic Christians, and people who adhered to other local religions. It is not, and has never been, widely practiced throughout the Middle East. It is not mentioned in the Quran or the Hadith (there’s an argument that it is mentioned in one Hadith, but it’s highly disputed). In the first half of the 20th century, local activists in North African countries began to campaign against FGM, using local solutions and tailoring the dialogue against it to their own communities. They were highly successful. FGM practices substantially decreased in Coptic communities, and was outlawed in Egyptian hospitals. It was being practiced less and less in urban Muslim communities, and outreach efforts were increasingly successful in rural communities as well.

Then the Western feminists got involved.

They certainly had the best of intentions, as they saw a profound human rights violation and wanted to combat it. But the problem with Orientalist scholarship is that too often, it reinstates the very practice it seeks to fight. Western feminists and scholars framed FGM as a religious practice, and addressed it with deeply “othering” language — in essence, they defined FGM as something Muslim, putting the people who practice FGM on the defensive about their religion, and giving FGM, which was a pre-Islamic practice, religious backing. The reaction from Muslim communities in North Africa shouldn’t have been a surprise: They felt that their very religion, culture and way of life was under attack from imperialistic, arrogant outsiders, and they circled the wagons.

Al-Azhar University in Cairo, which has long been considered the most influential university in the Middle East, issued several fatwas endorsing FGM, with some going so far as to say that it is required for Muslim women. Egypt turned back its law banning FGM from hospitals. From the late 1950s through the 1980s, the practice spread to several other Middle Eastern countries. The vast majority of women in several North African countries and Egypt have had their genitals cut.

Cultural imperialism simply doesn’t work, although it might appear to in the short term. Other examples? Iran, which promoted women’s rights before the Revolution and went so far as to ban the hijab in public, in the name of modernization and Westernism in the mold of the Attaturk. Post-Revolution, though, women’s rights were seen as inherently tied to Western colonialism and to an illegitimate regime. We know what Iran looks like now.

When we don’t focus on local solutions, we fail. When we ignore Muslim women and assume that we know better than they do, we fail them.

My point, then, is that the best activism that Western feminists can do for women elsewhere is to trust them, listen to them, allow them to define their problems, and allow them the tools to strategize solutions to those problems. Strutting in and attempting to solve all their problems is bound to be about as effective at promoting human rights as invading their nations and killing tens of thousands of them will be at promoting democracy. That is, neither method works.

This phenomenon certainly isn’t limited to Muslim women. The feminist movement does, in many ways, reflect the same privileges that play out in other spheres. Women in the global north are more influential and set the conversation in ways that women in the global south don’t; issues that affect white middle-class American women get more play than issues that affect women of color, or poor women; Western feminist ideas are seen as more evolved than the feminist scholarship of women elsewhere. And, it seems to me, an overwhelming, lazy stereotype that we don’t hear the voices of Muslim women because they just aren’t talking. Because they’re veiled and therefore silenced. Because they’re beaten down, because they’re perpetual victims, because they’re the most oppressed of the oppressed.

I think the frustration at this stereotype was what launched many of the criticisms of Amanda for posting this picture. Part of the issue, I think, was the question of, “What would have been so wrong if the picture did look like this?” Do covered women have less of a right to be at a political discussion than uncovered women? Why are we using an image of a woman in a burqa to indicate that that woman is silent, or to suggest that it would be completely ridiculous or ironic for her to be standing next to the President? In using the image of the woman in the burqa to make a political point, aren’t we ignoring the humanity of the woman underneath it?

Now, I happen to think that Amanda’s purpose wasn’t to do any of these things, and I think she did a nice job of explaining that her purpose was to point out hypocrisy, not to stereotype or silence Muslim women who wear certain kinds of clothing, whether that clothing is forced or chosen. She points out that the burqa was a necessary choice for calling out this kind of hypocrisy, because Western powers have long used women’s status in non-Western nations as an excuse to invade, colonize, and attack those countries, when in fact social conservatives here are just as hung up on women’s bodies as godbags in Afghanistan are. Sally puts it nicely in the comments at Pandagon:

Western countries have been using Muslim oppression of women as an excuse to invade and colonize and exploit Muslim countries for two hundred years. And the invasion, colonization and exploitation have not actually helped Muslim women. Furthermore, in times past, those non-helpful invasion and colonization projects have been supported by Western feminists in the name of liberating women. Those same Western feminists have used Muslim women as symbols of extreme oppression, but they’ve refused to listen to what Muslim women have had to say about their lives. Muslim women have been objects of Western feminism for a very, very long time, since the 19th century. They have generally not been subjects. They have generally been seen as people in need of rescue, not people with whom we should work to achieve their own goals and liberation on their own terms. This has had a bunch of bad effects, one of which is to associate feminism with colonialism and to make things really hard for Muslim feminists, who need to convince themselves and others that they can work for women’s liberation without automatically playing in to a racist, colonialist ideology.

And when you invoke the burqa, you invoke that whole history.

Yes. This was largely my problem with the Red Burqa campaign promoted by Tennessee Guerilla Women a while back (bloggers who, I should emphasize, I absolutely love and respect, despite my distaste for this particular campaign). It’s othering. It assumes that the woman beneath that burqa is voiceless and doesn’t have rights. It assumes she’s the ultimate victim.

The fact is, women around the world have done amazing thing while dressed in all kinds of ways. Is a hijab more debilitating than high heels? Why is a miniskirt more empowering than a chador? If we believe that a woman can wear a miniskirt or a bikini and feel empowered, as I have, not for displaying my body for consumption but for personally triumphing over my own body issues and recognizing that I have nothing to be ashamed of, why can’t it follow that a woman who isn’t required to wear a chador or a hijab or a burqa can do so with the purpose of proving that she can be covered and still be a powerful human being with opinions and accomplishments? I’ve met several feminist Muslims who wear the headscarf for that very reason — to make a statement, on behalf of covered women everywhere, that covering does not mean that those individuals are oppressed, silenced figures who should remain in the private sphere.

At the same time, we must point out oppression when it stares us in the face, and I don’t think anyone would disagree that requiring women to wear certain types of clothing is a bad thing. However, we cannot assume that because the laws are oppressive, women are universally silent and need us to save them on our terms. Being covered doesn’t make Muslim women less able to voice their own concerns and set their own agendas any more than wearing painful high heels and a push-up bra renders me unable to express my views. And yet, when we invoke the burqa or the hijab or the Taliban or Islam in general as the universal expample of patriarchy, we contribute to the silencing of Muslim women, and the harmful stereotypes that reproduce themselves within “oriental” contexts and serve to do further harm to women everywhere. When we tell Muslim women what they should be concerned about, instead of listening to them and allowing them to set their own human rights agendas, we silence them with our arrogance.

It seems to me that this frustration is what spurred the strong reactions to the picture Amanda posted, but I’ll add the caveat that I think Amanda’s purpose was clearly not de-humanizing, and indeed was highly effective at pointing out the right-wing hypocrisy on this one. I’m not sure the same can be said for the vast majority of Burqa/American Taliban/etc invocations.

And while I respect Ali‘s point of view, and I agree that liberal human rights ideology must not be entirely culturally subjective, I also think that when we’re coming up with solutions, we must trust in women to know what’s best for their own communities. My human rights perspective requires that people everywhere have the same basic rights to life, liberty, bodily autonomy, property, shelter, education, healthcare, etc, and that these rights are not contingent on any particular aspect of their identity other than their humanness. And so I agree with Ali that we cannot turn our heads to violations of these human rights, and that it is indeed up to progressives to maintain these standards.

But what is not progressive is to assume that Westerners are the only ones who have figured this out, or that our human rights standards are the end-all be-all of that scholarship. Other cultures have different understandings of human rights, of which rights are the most valuable, and of how to best achieve those rights. Those voices should not be silenced. We could learn a lot from them. And we cannot assume that being Western automatically gives us the higher moral or intellectual ground.

Where I differ from Ali, and from many feminists, then, is in the problem-identifying and the solution-finding phase. I really believe that these things have to be left up to women, and have to happen locally. That doesn’t bar Western feminists, and other people in privileged positions, from listening and using our position to pull other women up, too. It certainly means that we can call out behavior which is misogynist and which compromises women’s humanity. But it should at least make us self-conscious about attempting to speak for other women.


19 thoughts on Feminists Speaking for Muslim Women

  1. Why do you use the term FGM when a number of women who have had their genitals cut have spoken out and said they do not like being refered to as mutilated?

  2. Jill,

    Thanks for clarifying your views. I will keep this post marked in event of future discussion on the subject of cultural imperialism vs. human rights.

    In the meantime, it should be noted that my impetus to write the post was that this activist action for the benefit of women (and men) in Pakistan was not given enough attention in the feminist bloghersphere (in my subjective opinion). That could be for all the theoretical reasons you and I have discussed, b/c Althouse diverted attention to a different ‘battle’ – or it could just b b/c my blog is too small.

    In any case, the point was to highlight that THIS CALL TO ACTION DOES NOT INFRINGE OUR CULTURAL NORMS ON MUSLIM WOMEN IN PAKISTAN AND THEREFORE WE SHOULD ASSIST THEM BY WRITING TO MUSHARRAF.

    (caps for emphasis not anger).

    Thank you.

  3. Jill, this is a great post, and very educational.

    I had been a bit confused about the criticism of Amanda’s (and Auguste’s) photo, because I had been following the whole Altboob (Tithouse?) affair in more detail than was probably necessary, so I saw only one clear statement that that photo could be making. But I finally got it when I read this: Part of the issue, I think, was the question of, “What would have been so wrong if the picture did look like this?”

  4. Ali,
    Writing Musharraf, in solidarity with a local movement, may not infringe any cultural norms, but is it really absurd to worry about how opponents of reform would/will spin the attention from westerners and western feminists? And is it crazy to worry about how raising domestic attention on issues of this sort might encourage those in our government who seem to enjoy starting wars? I agree that awareness isn’t activism, but activism needs to be genuinely effective in order for it to be praiseworthy. In how many of these situations can we actually *be effective*? We have money, and Jill mentioned one NGO that apparently does good work, so that might be one route … though even here, there are plenty of examples of reactionary forces using western sponsorship as a scarlet letter to delegitimize local activists. In these times, doesn’t a policy of “first do no harm” have at least something to say for it?

  5. Or rather a policy of: “first, try to make our own government, over which we really do have some influence, stop doing so much harm.”

  6. PLN,

    I no longer ascribe to the assumption that in the global village there is a “we” and a “them.” Your statement, such as “try to make our own government” suggests you may believe in such a notion. I think until we reconcile or address that we will be talking past each other.

    In 1985 Richard Rorty stated that the liberal (left) project was to try and include as many humans into the category of ‘human’ as possible. I am not sure we succeeded in doing that over the 1980’s and 1990’s.

    Instead, what happened, and precisely because we failed, in 2001, a group of very angry people purporting to represent those who are not considered ‘human’ lashed out. In other words, they forced themselves into the discourse and asked: so, tell me, are we humans or are we forgotten? If we’re forgotten, then we have only violence for you.

    In other words, post 9/11, what the left didn’t realize in 1985 has become true (by hook or crook — mostly crook).

    Today, borders are porous. The internet is all pervasive. Money transfer is instant. Travel is fast. Knowledge is everywhere. We are not only citizens of the United States but of the world. As we concern ourselves with the ex-con population in this country who are denied the rights of citizenship (voting in state elections) we as liberal leftists also have to concern ourselves with the oppressed populations of the world.

    In fact, it is if we fail to be involved, that the cultural imperialists (or the military imperialists) will take the reign on these issues, and act for the “benefit” of the “weak.” To remind you, when such people act for the “weak” they do it by peddling organizations like Walmart and ideas like the Estate Tax. How can you concede the discourse to their methods?

  7. I am not convinced. First, cultural imperialism sometimes DOES work. Heck, the influence of western culture on other parts of the world– including even the Arab world– is manifest, from the infusion of commercial products to western standards of beauty to evangelical Christianity and Mormonism. Of course it’s possible to change other people’s cultures. It has happened throughout human history through persuasion, coercion, and infusion.

    Now, there may be good reasons NOT to use various tactics to change people’s cultures. But the idea that cultural imperialism can’t work is belied by human experience.

    Further, while it is always healthy to listen to indigenous voices, we are entitled to our own opinions about what is good and bad for women, and there is nothing particularly wrong with setting certain minimum standards for human dignity, whatever the locals think (this is the right response to FGM) and there is also nothing wrong with criticizing others’ cultural practices, or deconstructing the language of choice and freedom in the same way one would with respect to practices prevalent in the western world (this is the right response– or at least one response– to hijab).

    Cultural relativism is just as big a threat as cultural imperialism, because there are all sorts of abominable practices in the world where you don’t want to get caught up in discussions about whose voices are authentic and who has standing to talk about the issue, rather than taking action to stop them.

    If one doesn’t take this attitude, the end result is that rights (including those prized by the feminist movement) are no longer universal. If the church elders in an American town fomented violence against women who did not wear modest clothing, no American feminist worth his or her salt would say that what we needed to do is listen to the women in that community and find out what they think about modesty and what their cultural practices are. Muslim women halfway around the world shouldn’t have it any worse than American women.

  8. Thank you so much for writing this post, however, I wanted to point out to you that the mindset of “Muslimaat need representatives from the west to save them” is not happening in a vacuum.

    I would like to think that this is not the case, but I think that the reality is that an anti-Islam bias often seeps into otherwise progressive undertakings. This is often an extension of anti-religious prejudice in general, or could at it’s worst be an expression of latent anti-Arab racism. Does the Russian girl living under oppressed conditions have a societal cry of “save this poor child” following her like her Afghani counterpart? Sadly not. While the oppression may be equal, the amount of attention given is often not.

    On thisisbabylon.net, I note what’s going on in the UAE this Ramadan: blatant disrespect of modesty-observant citizens to the point people are complaining to their local blogs. One commenter said that the UAE was going to make its laws “reasonable” for Western tourists, but Dubai’s police department said that there is no law requiring modest dress during Ramadan in Dubai. The bottom line is the people must have felt that “modesty” is a detraction from their “freedom” — a strictly Western value — and they were going to impose it on whomever was in their field of influence.

    So too here.

  9. >Now, there may be good reasons NOT to use various tactics to change people’s cultures. But the idea that cultural imperialism can’t work is belied by human experience.>

    Define “work.” Work how? Work for whom? Work to what purpose?

  10. belle:

    “Define ‘work.’ Work how? Work for whom? Work to what purpose?”

    Jill’s post implied that cultural imperialism can never change a culture. In fact, cultural imperialism changes cultures all the time. Not always for the better– I don’t think it is a particularly good thing that the developing world has learned to eat American junk food. But you definitely can change a culture from the outside.

    But since the tone of your question implies that one can never change a culture for the better from outside, I would offer the gathering international consensus against anti-semitism of the last 60 years as an example where this has indeed happened. At the time of World War II, both in Europe and in the United States, substantial majorities had pretty unreconstructed attitudes about Jews, something that certainly made the Holocaust possible.

    After the full extent of the Holocaust was understood, there was a gradual process by which many, many institutions and individuals were pressured and forced to change. For instance, a Jewish homeland was internationally recognized. The Catholic Church, which had taught for hundreds of years that the Jews killed Christ, were forced, during the Second Vatican Council, to repudiate that teaching. Many protestant churches repudiated it as well. Social clubs and private universities that had long excluded or discriminated against Jews were forced to reform. Laws that discriminated against Jews or forced them to live in ghettos or precluded them from practicing certain professions were repealed.

    Obviously, there is still plenty of anti-Semitism. But it isn’t the consensus position, it is considered contemptable in much of the West, and it doesn’t have the controlling influence that it once had. It is certainly unimaginable now that any Western nation could gain any significant popular support for something like the Holocaust.

    This all happened because there were concerted efforts, from the outside, to pressure all sorts of institutions, many of which did not want to change, to change. (Ask anyone who is fighting for the ordination of women how hard it is to get the Catholic Church to change!) It was concerted cultural imperialism– the conviction that whatever people’s traditional and locally-held beliefs about Jews happened to be, civilized peoples had the right to expect that people would not manifest prejudice against an ethnic and religious group.

    So yes, cultural imperialism can work, and it can lead to positive effect.

  11. This is clearly not the same “cultural imperialism”. You are comparing a complex internal paroxysm within one particular intellectual/cultural continuum with the externalization of risks and costs to another social/cultural unit. It’s a false analogy.

  12. There is of course also the argument that the entire mess in the Middle East, or a goodly chunk of it, is direct fallout from that earlier post-war act of “benign” cultural imperialism. (which perhaps might have been avoided by not going LALALA European anti-semitism? deep vicious unrest in Germany, partly but not entirely perhaps due to the extremely punitive and harsh measures against it in the final version of the Treaty of Versailles? oh, and now lots and lots of Jewish refugees with no place to go, now? problem? what problem?)

    I realize that even alluding to that position is one giant-ass can of worms, but: given the context, it seemed relevant.

    Whatever one’s position on What Is To Be Done -now;- basic point being: none of this shit came from a vacuum, none of it.

  13. …and speaking of: of course as we know a -very- large chunk of the neocon ideology is derived from the thinkage of one Leo Strauss, whose own positions were undoubtedly forged in part from his experiences of being a (already conservative, yes) Jewish man who fled Nazi Germany.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Strauss

    http://home.earthlink.net/~karljahn/Strauss.htm

    “The modern world is held to be the deliberate creation (with some unintended consequences) of the modern philosophers — namely, the Enlightenment, which gave birth to both scientific-technological progress and the liberal ideology of social-political progress. The Enlighteners argued (though still covertly) that instead of hiding philosophy, philosophers should reform society to make it more hospitable to philosophy: in particular, by undertaking the “project” of modern science, by which reason masters nature and provides material gratifications — safety, health and wealth — to common men, bribing them into acquiescence to philosophy. Physical science and technology would provide the know-how, while a new kind of regime, liberalism, would provide the conditions of liberty and equality enabling men to pursue their self-interest.

    The problem with this (in the Straussian view) is that it exposed philosophy once more, and ultimately prostituted philosophy itself into the service of common men. The esoteric tradition was forgotten, and with it philosophy as such. At the same time, philosophy inadvertently exposed men to certain hard truths, truths too hard for them to bear: that there are no gods to reward good or punish evil; that no one’s patria is really any better than anyone else’s; that one’s ancestral ways are merely conventional. This leads to nihilism, epitomized by the listless, meaningless life of bourgeois man, or to dangerous experiments with new gods — gods like the race and the Fuehrer.

    Strauss, an ethnic Jew and refugee from Nazi Germany, looked at the regnant liberalism of mid-century America, and saw the Weimar Republic: morally weak, incapable of self-preservation. His prophecy was fulfilled by the ignominious collapse of the liberal establishment, both political and academic, in the face of the New Left.”

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Leo_Strauss

    “According to Drury, Strauss like Plato taught that within societies, “some are fit to lead, and others to be led”. But, unlike Plato, who believed that leaders had to be people with such high moral standards that they could resist the temptations of power, Strauss thought that “those who are fit to rule are those who realise there is no morality and that there is only one natural right, the right of the superior to rule over the inferior”

    ***

    Sound familiar?

  14. Huh, I didn’t check back here. Probably no one is reading this thing, but anyway.

    The point is not “postmodern mumbo-jumbo”. There’s nothing “postmodern” about what I wrote. Perhaps I was trying to be too concise. Thing is, you *can’t* compare the fallout of a massive war in Europe with the acts of colonialism *from* Europe to other parts of the world. Europe was, in many ways, a lot more tightly bound in terms of its ideologies. European anti-Semitism—throughout Europe—came from some of the same sources and had the same solution.

    “Cultural imperialism”, the way we’ve been discussing it here, is not just what happens when one arranges the fate of defeated enemy, the way that Germany was defeated in the various paroxysms of European civilization.

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