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Jesus Doesn’t Want Me For a Sunbeam*

Hip fundies with cool tattoos are spreading the gospel in my lovely, liberal hometown of Seattle. But this isn’t the earth-loving, soup-kitchen-running, “consider your personal relationship with Jesus” hippie-church that a lot of Seattlites are used to. No, this is a “trifecta of indoctrinating, voting, and breeding.”

Following Driscoll’s biblical reading of prescribed gender roles, women quit their jobs and try to have as many babies as possible. And these are no mere women who fear independence, who are looking to live by the simple tenets of fundamentalist credo, enforced by a commanding husband: many of the women of Mars Hill reluctantly abandon successful lives lived on their own terms to serve their husbands and their Lord. Accountability and community is ballasted by intricately organized cells — gender-isolated support groups that form a social life as warm and tight as swaddling clothes, or weekly coed sermon studies and family dinner parties that provide further insulation against the secular world. Parents share child care, realtors share clients, teachers share lesson plans, animé buffs share DVDs, and bands share songs.


Wow.

I read a study a while ago saying that Seattle has one of the highest numbers of people who consider themselves “religious” in the country. It surprised me at first, but then I took a look around at my family, friends and acquaintances. Many of them attend church services fairly regularly, and almost everyone would consider themselves as least “spiritual.” Nearly everyone holds some sort of belief in God. Church-related activities were very much a part of social life in high school and middle school.

But the culture of Christianity in Seattle is incredibly diverse. My family isn’t big into church-going, but we would at least go on Christmas and Easter every year. My mom would purposely choose a church with a female pastor, and the sermons were always about love and charity. Some of the most religious friends I had in high school were also some of the most liberal — and they were some of the most active volunteers in our community.

Of course, there were also the fundies and the crazies, and I have a very clear memory of one Evangelical girl at my high school saying that, for every student she doesn’t convert, “their blood is on [her] hands!” So while Seattle may be a place where Dennis Kucinich signs were more common than any others during the presidential primaries, and where many people feel a connection to God through the water and the mountains and the forests instead of through institutionalized religion, it is certainly not free of extremists. Mars Hills is proof of that:

After Driscoll prays for the continued fertility of his congregation, and the worship band cranks out a few fierce guitar licks, the sermon begins. Pacing the stage like a stand-up pro, blending observational humor about parenting with ribald biblical storytelling, Driscoll peppers his message with references to his own children as midget demons and recalls his own past in stories about duct-taping and hog-tying his own siblings. He riffs about waiting in a supermarket checkout line behind a woman who said to him, “You sure got a lot of kids! I hope you’ve figured out what causes that.”

“Yeah,” he flipped back. “A blessed wife. I bet you don’t have any kids.” The congregation hoots and hollers. “That shut her up,” he mutters.

In today’s sermon on Genesis, chapter 37, Snoop Dogg, the man who penned the memorable lyric, “Now watch me slap ya ass with dicks, bitch,” plays a supporting role. Driscoll conjures Joseph’s famous coat by showing an image of Snoop in the coat he wore to play a pimp in “Starsky and Hutch.” “The next time you read Genesis, think of Snoop,” he chuckles.

Deep-seated anger towards women. Institutionalization of that anger, including the tacit approval of violence and sexual abuse. Channelling that anger and hatred into a model where women are merely vessels to carry your seed and help you deal with your daddy issues.

It’s like Patriarchy’s wet dream.

And daddy issues indeed:

Driscoll’s mood darkens as he discusses how Jacob shunned Joseph’s brothers, and imagines their pain at not being anointed the favorite son. Pausing a studied beat, he looks out over his rapt charges and lowers his voice. “Some of you know what it’s like. You were the one that wasn’t loved. I can see it on your face and I’m sorry,” he practically whispers. “Some of you are still living life in reaction to your father. I’m here to tell you, you don’t have to. There is a providential God who can fix you, and his name is Jesus. He’s your only hope.”

And by “you” I actually mean “me,” in case that wasn’t entirely clear.

The new disciples are ripping down their parents’ white steeples and tearing apart the lumber to build a half-pipe. Christian youth is deinstitutionalizing the American church for the first time in about 400 years. This evangelical movement isn’t just about internally held principles, it’s a matter of lifestyle. Young evangelicals look so similar to denizens of every other strain of youth culture that, aside from their religious tattoos, the difference between them and the unsaved is invisible.

After all, shared culture is an opportunity for people to connect and gain one another’s trust. Culture — your favorite music, sport, pastime, style, you name it — presents an opening for evangelism. Once bonds are forged over a beloved band or football team, then the Evangelical “message” can work its way into a relationship. Once the message is heard, a world opens in which God’s love, as well as your cultural predilections, provide spiritual isolation from the secular world. It’s hard to imagine an aspect of secular culture lacking a Christian counterpart: one can choose from Christian hip-hop ministries, Christian military intelligence classes, or Christian diet groups in this mirror society.

It seems to me that these Evangelicals are the kids who always desperately wanted to be cool, but never quite made it. They feel alienated, and they look up to the edgier people who hang out on Capital Hill and pierce their faces and have sleeve tattoos, so they try and emulate that culture with the addition of Jesus Christ. Which is fine, since those things aren’t necessarily incompatible. But here’s what they’re missing: You aren’t a counter-culture hero if all you’re doing is reinstating dominant cultural norms and adding a skateboard. And natalism, misogyny and male aggression aren’t exactly earth-shatteringly new ideas.

One June evening, I arrive at the small, pleasant home of Dietz and his wife Sarah to meet their kids and join them for dinner. Sarah is clearly exhausted from caring all day for two children, cleaning the house, setting the table, and preparing a nice meal complete with thoughtful touches like organic strawberries in the salad and fresh mint in the iced tea. As Dietz carries on about church affairs and lectures about the importance of children’s obedience, Sarah serves the meal, cuts the children’s food, minds their behavior and eating, and clears the table. Every Wednesday the Dietzes’ community group assembles in this living room, where vintage touches and contrasting paint colors suggest discipleship to Martha Stewart. Here they participate in Dietz’s Bible study and a discussion of Driscoll’s most recent sermon; afterward Sarah serves dinner for 12 on an average week, 25 if the entire group shows up.

How alternative.

Like every woman I’ve gotten to know at Mars Hill, Sarah talks about her appointed role within the church not in terms of subjugation but in the language of difference feminism. She tells me a sisterhood forms between women who celebrate their domestic roles and talents as offered from God, delivered unto their children, marriages, and community as part of his “perfect plan.”

At the end of the evening, when I go into the kitchen to help Sarah with the dishes, she confesses that she’d love to go back to school for her master’s degree, but she just can’t see finding the time. “I guess it’s just not part of the plan,” she says in a soft, distracted voice. It’s hard to imagine that just a few years before, Sarah was a single girl tooling around the Seattle rock circuit in an old MG, spending her days studying Carol Gilligan. These days, Sarah’s old copy of “In a Different Voice,” a text you’ll find on most women’s studies syllabi, gathers dust on the secular bookshelf (Penguin classics and psych textbooks) that faces off against the Christian bookshelf (Bibles and theology textbooks) in the living room.

Few things irk me more than “difference feminism.” Now, I hesitate to be the feminist police, but screw that: If your “feminism” tells you that women collectively have a particular place in life, and that men and women are meant to occupy different realms of life (with the women occupying the private sphere and the men dominating the public), then you are not, in my mind, a feminist. And you are not forwarding feminist ideals.

But as much as I’m irritated by people who attempt to use feminism to justify women’s oppression, I can’t bring myself to feel any animosity towards these women (I can, however, feel that animosity towards women who make entire careers out of telling other women to submit to oppression. These are not those women). These women, though they are still people with individual agency, have a lot of their options stripped from them. And by their own accounts, their existance is fairly bleak:

For Judy Abolafya, a young mother in her early thirties, it was harder to come around to the Driscolls’ version of what a woman should be. As she sets out coffee cake on the kitchen table in her Seattle apartment, straining to be heard over her infant daughter’s cries, Abolafya tells me without apology that she never wanted to have children. She shudders as her daughter wails, shaking her auburn ponytail. “Listening to her like that just grates on me.” She grimaces. In a high chair at the table, her toddler, Asher, glumly pokes at blocks of cheese with grubby fingers, periodically mashing them into a paste he rubs into his black Metallica T-shirt. “Let’s face it. Asher is whiny and clingy and talks back. It’s dull and tedious here — there are myriad things I don’t enjoy about being at home, but it’s a responsibility.”

This life of homebound wifely submission is the opposite of what Abolafya thought she wanted, and the opposite of what she had. Before she met her husband, Ari, Abolafya toured all over the world with bands like Bush and Candlebox, staying at four-star hotels, living life on her own terms. She made a great income heading up merchandising on tours, managed it well, enjoyed her freedom, and was confident and outspoken. Now she defines that behavior as prideful, even if she misses it. “Everything was great when my conversion happened. I was making money, I was about to take a trip to Mexico, I was totally in control of my life,” she tells me. “My life is much harder, not easier, now that I’m a Christian,” she says, clenching her teeth against Asher’s droning whine. “We had originally planned not to have kids, but now we have to do our best to repopulate our city with Christians.”

Sounds… awesome. At least she’s honest, though, even if her story is strikingly sad:

At a weekly Bible study class at a Mars Hill pastor’s home, Abolafya first heard about the doctrine of wifely submission. The pastor’s wife gave Abolafya a book to study called “The Fruit of Her Hands,” which can essentially be summed up in Ephesians 5:22: “Wives, submit to your own husbands as to the Lord.” When Abolafya stretched out on her couch one evening to read the first chapter of the book, she screamed and threw it across the room. But she prayed to God and was led back to the Bible, to understand Wilson’s perspective. In the Bible, Abolafya found story after story about women being willfully deceived, following their own desires, wreaking travesty in their relationships and homes. In these stories she saw signs of her own past, her mother’s behavior, her friends’ actions. She began to submit to Ari about purchases and plans she wanted to make.

Abolafya no longer reads secular books or speaks to her old friends, She is now a deacon at Mars Hill and is responsible for planning the weddings held there, which always include a biblical explanation of marriage and gender roles; each year Mars Hill averages about one hundred marriages between couples within the congregation, all of whom must agree with this doctrine. Between her marriage ministry, the women’s Bible study she runs, her two small children, and taking care of her husband and her home, Abolafya says she doesn’t have time for many relationships anyway, and when she starts to home-school her kids soon, her time will be even tighter. “It’s not what I ever imagined,” she tells me, “or even what I ever wanted, but it’s my duty now, and I have to learn to live with that.”

She sounds absolutely miserable. I can’t imagine continuing to live a life I hated simply out of a sense of duty, but I can see how she would feel that way. That’s one thing that some cult-like religious organizations (yes, I’m calling this church cult-like; no, I do not think that most churches are cult-like) are particularly good at: Alienating their followers to the point where they feel both trapped and indebted. Where could she go if she left her husband? She’s cut off all her connections with friends. Her entire social group is in her church. Her children and her husband are deeply wrapped into that social group. Her occupation is in the church. Her husband controls all of the family finances. Certainly there are always options, but I can see how, from her perspective, it wouldn’t feel that way.

And this isn’t relegated to Seattle:

Radical conversions like Judy’s aren’t what Driscoll has in mind just for Seattle, but for the entire nation. During the late ’90s, a number of young people approached Driscoll for advice about starting their own churches. His response was to establish a church planting network called Acts 29, which has been growing rapidly ever since. The book of Acts tells of the first Christians’ evangelism in 28 chapters, thus the idea behind Acts 29 is to continue their legacy. Through the network, new churches from San Diego to Albany have grown to follow Driscoll’s strict orthodoxy and views. Acts 29 sponsored 60 new churches in the last year alone; 120 applications now wait in the queue for consideration.

While cultural specifics — media, music, dress, attitude, and so on — vary widely in the churches that Acts 29 encourages nationwide, cultural politics do not. Most significantly, in founding the network, Driscoll has established a nationwide apparatus to push back women’s rights through the “liberation theology” of submission. The online application for church planting is an extremist screening device to this effect. It begins with a lengthy doctrinal assertion that every word of the Bible is literal truth; the application plucks out the examples of creationism and male headship of home and church to clarify this doctrine. “We are not liberals,” it says. “We are not egalitarian.”

Thanks to Amanda for sending me this article.

*As long as Salon is going with the Nirvana-related titles, I will too.


33 thoughts on Jesus Doesn’t Want Me For a Sunbeam*

  1. While the rest of the article holds the main punch (and I do feel like I’ve been punched), this part interested me:

    After all, shared culture is an opportunity for people to connect and gain one another’s trust. Culture — your favorite music, sport, pastime, style, you name it — presents an opening for evangelism. Once bonds are forged over a beloved band or football team, then the Evangelical “message” can work its way into a relationship. Once the message is heard, a world opens in which God’s love, as well as your cultural predilections, provide spiritual isolation from the secular world. It’s hard to imagine an aspect of secular culture lacking a Christian counterpart: one can choose from Christian hip-hop ministries, Christian military intelligence classes, or Christian diet groups in this mirror society.

    Nice to know the ‘friends’ you make are just potential converts to your religious pyramid scheme. It reminds me of a fundamentalist girl I knew in undergrad who brought a Hindu girl from a class to have lunch at our dorm one day. She was very friendly to her while she was there, and the moment she was gone, started telling anyone she thought might listen (including some appalled Quakers) about how she was making “progress” ingratiating herself and soon would start trying to convert her to Christianity. Way to live an honest life, giving joy to yourself and others.

  2. Gah. I read this today and immediately thought of many of my students from last fall who thought that Jesus was the ultimate countercultural symbol. And he is, I guess, or was. Once. The original iconical feminist/civil rights activist, as a former minister of mine used to say. But like you said, slapping a few tattoos on an ultimately regressive movement does not alternative make.

    This is the same old shit repackaged for those desperately trying to be Xtreme. It’s PR, folks. Advertising. Why they think they’re so revolutionary I do not know.

  3. When Abolafya stretched out on her couch one evening to read the first chapter of the book, she screamed and threw it across the room.

    I would herby like to posit that no decent God would lead you to a life to which you are ill-suited and which clearly makes you miserable.

    The rest of it just makes me queasy.

  4. evil_fizz said:
    I would hereby like to posit that no decent God would lead you to a life to which you are ill-suited and which clearly makes you miserable.

    Well said.

    My partner has said, “If all the things my family believes about God were true, then he’d be a bastard who doesn’t deserve to be worshipped.” I think making women smart and capable and then expecting them to live out their lives as endlessly-pregnant drudges would definitely qualify.

  5. Why they think they’re so revolutionary I do not know.

    Because they are successful organizers. They are capitalizing on the anomie felt by Generation X, most of whom are financially strapped and living far from friends and family. What do they have to offer that makes people who never thought they’d be interested in that lifestyle join up? A ready-made community, a network of social services (including housing! in Seattle’s market, even!), and all without having to give up the exterior markers of cultural identity (which is why they’re more successful than the mainline fundies, or traditional cults).

    What are they doing differently from those of us on the Left? Well, for starters, they have a distinct lack of fragmentation—a certain solidarity. They don’t shun the curiousity seekers–the novices. They see every potential seeker as a potential convert. They identify key converts with skills and immediately put them into organizing positions—they give them a position of relative power and/or structure within the community that he or she wouldn’t necessarily have in the workaday world at large. They keep their people busy doing organizing, rather than attending endless “strategizing” (translation: venting) sessions. Because let’s face it, folks are going to get more out of building a fence than they are out of yet another brainstorming meeting.

    Do they have longevity? I wouldn’t be so sure about that. Even with the community closing ranks and doing helping-hands stuff like fence-building and child care, there’s only so many children a family can have and still maintain, y’know? Reading about Judy Abolafya….damn. It’d be a real joy growing up in that home, I’m sure.

    See, one thing you can say for the fundies is that they have a little more patience with the learning curve than we do. Ultimately, they’ll demand a lot more orthodoxy of course, but in the beginning? They’ll cut some slack—they even have the concept of “backsliding” to give even more wiggle room to the new folks. So, you get the new blood in the church door. Then what happens? The traditional cults had “love-bombing”; this one has a subtler version, revamped and marketed to their chosen demographic. Cheap housing, home improvement help, play dates for the kids…..those are pretty heady incentives to the stressed-out, strapped, isolated singles or young nuclear families—why hey! It’s the Way We Never Were!….only, here it is! Just check your autonomy at the door. Start questioning past your designated backslider period, and then you’re an apostate. Better just pipe down if you want to keep what ‘cha got, kid. And let’s face it; encouraging the congregation to have more children is one more way to keep ’em in the fold—that community becomes even more dear then.

  6. Sarah is clearly exhausted from caring all day for two children, cleaning the house, setting the table, and preparing a nice meal complete with thoughtful touches like organic strawberries in the salad and fresh mint in the iced tea. As Dietz carries on about church affairs and lectures about the importance of children’s obedience, Sarah serves the meal, cuts the children’s food, minds their behavior and eating, and clears the table.

    That paragraph just made me want to cry. Why this obsession with sublimating everything you are for someone else’s comfort, someone else’s profit, because somehow that’s so much better than providing for yourself? This endless push to martyrdom, the implication that any woman who is happy is living a wrong life?

  7. The story about Judy makes me want to cry. How could anyone willingly believe in a God that hates who you are? I’m not even talking about any “vices” or whatever. She sacrificed her personality and her talents to this “God.” Well, that’s not the God I believe in. Honestly, it’s gotten to the point that I don’t like to call myself a Christian because these assholes are yelling louder than any of the rest of us, and hate almost always outyells love.

  8. Cecily- your story sums up the difficulty I have with being friends with deeply religious people. I have plenty of friends who are spiritual, sure, and believe different various things, and they leave me alone in regards to my own spirituality. But then I can’t help but think, if you really deeply believed I was going to hell, and you were really my friend, you’d be worried about my soul and try to save me… which is a weird conundrum. Which, thankfully, I haven’t had to confront in real life.

  9. JS, I have quite a few people who are always at me to attend church, who pass particular books my way, etc. There are times when I get overly sympathetic to their cause until I back away for a moment, sniff the air, and realize, yep, still not a believer.

    What I do long for here in Shittown is a better sense of community. I know many people who have left their religion of choice (Wicca, Buddhism, etc) because the church community pulled them in with tactics like Lubu describes. This in itself is why I stayed in the church for as long as I did long after realizing I was an atheist: when you don’t have a lot of people like you or choices you value in your sphere, simply belonging, having clear boundaries, having set expectations, can do a lot to make a person feel this community. One of my feminist friends lost touch with me for a long time because, as it turns out, she’d been converted and was attending a regressive evangelical church. She called me up crying one day because they were telling her in private sessions that all the progressive values she’d believed in over the years (including her voter registration as a Democrat — not kidding) were sinful and against the teachings of god. These things include, most of all, her feminism. At the end of our conversation, when I was empathetic but would not cave on my belief that Jesus was, if anything, not-Republican, she became hostile and ended the conversation abruptly. These people were, for one thing, emphatic that Geroge Bush was lead by the hand of god.

    I ended up leaving the church for the same reasons I won’t step in one today. The bigotry, the misogyny, the social backwardness, the devaluation of science, these are things I won’t ever be able to tolerate. Not in the name of community and certainly not in the name of Jesus.

    But still.

  10. “This in itself is why I stayed in the church for as long as I did long after realizing I was an atheist”

    That and it was the only time I had an excuse to dress up and go to Burger King for brunch on a Sunday morning with friends. Also: got to smoke cigarettes in the church yard while mom was distracted by the sermon.

    Have I mentioned I live three doors down from this church?

  11. Cecily in comment 1:

    If you ever hung out with evangelicals in college, you probably noticed the M.O. of most of these groups. They look for lonely freshmen who’ve never left home before, and foreign students. I, for my own amusement, allowed people to try to convert me on several occasions(Maranathas, Baptists). The first thing I noticed was the amount of lonely asian students at these functions. They become their friends, work on them constantly, and at the end of the year have a bunch of asian converts with horrified parents.

    The whole set up is just so dishonest… Evangelicism is based on weaseliness so much of the time

  12. Well — then, the question is — what do feminists do to provide a sense of community and a sense of intergenerational meaning? Folks wouldn’t be attracted to Driscoll’s brand of profoundly unnuanced christianity (well, not in such large numbers, at least) if they recognized other options for a strong feeling of community and a sense of meaning that could structures their whole life. Women don’t walk away from a life of financially independent travelling and partying to go and have babies they never wanted unless there really *is* something missing from their lives.

    I’m not arguing that patriarchal reprogramming was what Abolafya was missing, And I couldn’t agree more with evil fizz’s point that “no decent God would lead you to a life to which you are ill-suited and which clearly makes you miserable.” But I also think that the community works (at least right now, before all those babies hit raging adolescence — you preachers’ kids know what I mean) because it offers to women some things that women need, and can’t figure out how to get in less toxic configurations.

  13. I agree with Lu to some extent but find this attraction to be more among the white middle class than any other group. The spawn of suburbia. Kids who may have had everything but one core principle of human need; community and social cohesion.

    Also, anyone who believes that women are not consistently bombarded day and night by images of women who surrender quietly to their husband’s will isn’t paying attention. Young women grow up watching popular media, whether teevee, movies or what have you. Young girls are inundated with images from Disney to saturday afternoon cartoons, played out over and over again in product marketing. By the time a girl reaches her tenth birthday she has received millions of messages that define her role as a female.

    The roles portrayed by women on popular television carry on the thesis that women are powerless man supporters, inferior, outnumbered (every media production shows on average five males to every one female) and powerless.

    Then people wonder how easy it is for young women to accept completion subordination to male authority. It is practically scripted to them from the time they were born until the time they leave home (and beyond).

    The changes feminists have pushed for in the last twenty years still have only made very small changes on role assignment. Also, the economic changes that have occured in the last thirty years has I think led to a more fractured and insecure society. Organized religion, as always, offers a soothing and easily applied balm. Just take the initial pain of adjustment and the guaranteed security lasts for life.

  14. The letters on the Salon article are as bad as the article itself: the one from the woman who didn’t want kids but has now decided that it is ‘her duty’ is particularly distressing.

    I’ve got to say, though, that this kind of ‘hip, counterculture’ Xianity has been around a very very long time. It started with the Jesus people and it’s been around ever since: skater or grunge churches aren’t new, even though each ‘new’ version of this form of evangelism presents itself as the freshest, newest thing out there.

    I grew up in Vancouver, which is pretty close to Seattle, and I got converted into a similar, ultra youthful funky group when I was a teen, back in the 80’s. All the trappings were there; the countercultural vibe and the progressive politics and hip style on the surface, matched with a deeply authoritiarian and regressive spine.

    The really disturbing thing about such groups is that they’re more prone to becoming cults than a conventional church: there’s no ballast to them, in the sense that there’s no tradition, no oversight, no social or cultural breadth and *no old people* (who are, by and large, pretty savvy BS detectors). The followers are young and passionate, they are being asked for total commitment to an extremely restrictive lifestyle –especially the women — and they don’t have another church to go to. Leaving this group, which provides identity, belonging and housing, and moving to, say, a conventional Lutheran congregation would be virtually impossible.

    La Lubu and Lauren are both absolutely right: the surface of these groups always looks hip, current and happening. What they offer is friendship, community and belonging, all in exchange for your soul.

    This guy really squicks me.

  15. I thought the whole point of difference feminism was to try not to denigrate those qualities which women are socialized to have (expressing emotion, caring, nurturing) while making it possible for women to choose their life paths. It’s been awhile since I took a WGS 101

  16. The changes feminists have pushed for in the last twenty years still have only made very small changes on role assignment.

    Actually, I think they want to roll back the last 120 years of feminist gains — I’m pretty sure this guy wants to remove women’s legal status as persons and our right to vote, as well as our right to own property. The Married Women’s Property Act was passed in 1882, at least in England.

  17. For Judy Abolafya, a young mother in her early thirties, it was harder to come around to the Driscolls’ version of what a woman should be. As she sets out coffee cake on the kitchen table in her Seattle apartment, straining to be heard over her infant daughter’s cries, Abolafya tells me without apology that she never wanted to have children. She shudders as her daughter wails, shaking her auburn ponytail. “Listening to her like that just grates on me.” She grimaces. In a high chair at the table, her toddler, Asher, glumly pokes at blocks of cheese with grubby fingers, periodically mashing them into a paste he rubs into his black Metallica T-shirt. “Let’s face it. Asher is whiny and clingy and talks back. It’s dull and tedious here — there are myriad things I don’t enjoy about being at home, but it’s a responsibility.”

    This life of homebound wifely submission is the opposite of what Abolafya thought she wanted, and the opposite of what she had. Before she met her husband, Ari, Abolafya toured all over the world with bands like Bush and Candlebox, staying at four-star hotels, living life on her own terms. She made a great income heading up merchandising on tours, managed it well, enjoyed her freedom, and was confident and outspoken. Now she defines that behavior as prideful, even if she misses it. “Everything was great when my conversion happened. I was making money, I was about to take a trip to Mexico, I was totally in control of my life,” she tells me. “My life is much harder, not easier, now that I’m a Christian,” she says, clenching her teeth against Asher’s droning whine. “We had originally planned not to have kids, but now we have to do our best to repopulate our city with Christians.”

    This must be how Andrea Yates started out. I think I’m going to vomit.

  18. find this attraction to be more among the white middle class than any other group. The spawn of suburbia. Kids who may have had everything but one core principle of human need; community and social cohesion.

    Well, yes and no. This particular form of it (faux-hipster fundamentalist megachurch), yes. But there are other cult-y groups that focus on different demographics. In my city, there are predominantly African-American non-denominational megachurches that are similar, but focus more on the 25-45 age group.

    See, the thing is, not everything about this group is toxic. And that’s why people are joining. A lot of people will leave later on, after they’ve been burned out, but to begin with, this church seems like the answer to a lot of prayers. There is a human need for community that transcends any demographic; it’s hardly just white middle class suburbanites that feel isolated, or that feel the pressure of unpaid bills. In fact, if I had to make a wild guess, I’d say the probably the biggest demographic in Mars Hill would be the folks in “Limbo”—the state Alfred Lubrano gave title to his book on working-class strivers who are trying like hell to enter the middle class. Educationally, they have. Financially, for the most part, they haven’t. Socially and culturally, fuggetaboutit. Part of the appeal of a church like this for folks of that demographic isn’t just the welcome mat—it’s the invite into roles of social standing (witness all the “deacons” and the mention of “covenanted” members). The real power still resides with the few, of course; but to even get a recognition of skills, a forum to use them, and a smile/pat on the head at the end of the day is something a whole lotta folks are hungry for. Especially the “Limbo” set. And especially women. For all the sexism that permeates this church, it’s also offering women a recognition that they aren’t getting on their jobs.

    Also, one of the strongest tools in the fundamentalist toolset is the personal narrative. You know, the “sinner’s story”. For lonely people, it gives a chance to be heard—to know someone is listening (critical in any organizing work), and be with others that are also struggling. For those with a narcissistic bent, it gives a socially-condoned way to repeating stories about oneself. On the left side of the aisle, we tend to have the concept of the “vanguard”, which is an instant turnoff to folks who’ve always been on the lower end of that staff. And we don’t use the personal narrative. Traditionally, the left did use personal narrative.

    Read Abolafya’s story—she broke down in tears at a service she went to on a lark; that was the start of her conversion. Emotional repression can be another factor leading to this type of conversion—this church is a socially-condoned place to have and show emotion. I don’t know anything about Abolafya—but find it hard to believe she started crying just from the beauty of the music.

    Then people wonder how easy it is for young women to accept completion subordination to male authority. It is practically scripted to them from the time they were born until the time they leave home (and beyond).

    Kate, I hear you there! That’s another tool these churches use—the pull towards tradition. And they redefine tradition to suit them. Traditionally, women have held power within the family—in fact, in many backgrounds, it’s the woman who runs the family budget and gives the financial last word. Women who push the direction of the children’s education. Women who are the outspoken ones; the public face of the family. Churches like these are putting forth another path for “Limbo” people to assimilate into the white middle class world. They attract a lot of men with their emphasis on certain exterior characteristics of masculinity—the hard work, the stoicism, the toughness. They attract a lot of women by offering a place—like for Abolafya—to let down one’s guard.

  19. The stories of those women brought tears to my eyes. My heart breaks for them. They are clearly very unhappy. My heart breaks for little Asher too. Someday he’s going to know that his mother doesn’t want and never did want him.

    Driscoll and his women-hating ilk can shove this life of drugery up their collective asses.

  20. I can’t find the cite this morning, but in reading this article I kept hearing in my mind Jesus talking about those who called on his name to whom he will reply “Depart from me, I never knew you.” Maybe it’s just schadenfraude on my part, but I think that Pastor Driscoll will be in that group.

  21. Boing Boing linked to this Salon article, and then a former Mars Hill Church member sent BB a link to his blog, where he talks about why he left the church:

    Looking back from the wise old age of thirty, I am SO GLAD I made that choice. I’d do it again, even knowing everything I would loose. Because that way of living is wrong, fundamentally. Not the community, or the faith, or the morals, those are all awesome and are absolutely necessary for anyone to be happy. It’s the persistent, infallible, patriarchal, blind power structure that’s the issue; keeping people in line decade after decade, century after century, in the name of Jesus.

  22. I can’t find the cite this morning, but in reading this article I kept hearing in my mind Jesus talking about those who called on his name to whom he will reply “Depart from me, I never knew you.” Maybe it’s just schadenfraude on my part, but I think that Pastor Driscoll will be in that group.

    Matthew 7:21-23:

    “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.

    “Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’

    “Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.'”

  23. *winces*

    Poor Seattle *pets it*

    The guy’s an asshole—the rude response to the woman in the store, whose comment seemed more of a lighthearted, friendly sort of poking fun, was annoying enough, but “That shut her up” about it later is downright offensive. Jerk.

    And ironic, as there are many, many people who would consider themselves very lucky to avoid such “blessings.”

  24. Thanks, Linnaeus. I need to memorize that one, for my own good as much as anything else.

    Of course, I really doubt that God wills us to be rude to strangers in the grocery store.

  25. The guy’s an asshole—the rude response to the woman in the store, whose comment seemed more of a lighthearted, friendly sort of poking fun, was annoying enough, but “That shut her up” about it later is downright offensive. Jerk.

    Not to mention delusional. What do you want to bet she was thinking, “Oh, my God, what a creepy misogynist asshat. Better back away slowly before he tries to turn me into Secunda Ofdeitz.”

  26. After Driscoll prays for the continued fertility of his congregation, and the worship band cranks out a few fierce guitar licks, the sermon begins. Pacing the stage like a stand-up pro, blending observational humor about parenting with ribald biblical storytelling, Driscoll peppers his message with references to his own children as midget demons and recalls his own past in stories about duct-taping and hog-tying his own siblings. He riffs about waiting in a supermarket checkout line behind a woman who said to him, “You sure got a lot of kids! I hope you’ve figured out what causes that.”

    “Yeah,” he flipped back. “A blessed wife. I bet you don’t have any kids.” The congregation hoots and hollers. “That shut her up,” he mutters.

    In today’s sermon on Genesis, chapter 37, Snoop Dogg, the man who penned the memorable lyric, “Now watch me slap ya ass with dicks, bitch,” plays a supporting role. Driscoll conjures Joseph’s famous coat by showing an image of Snoop in the coat he wore to play a pimp in “Starsky and Hutch.” “The next time you read Genesis, think of Snoop,” he chuckles.

    Deep-seated anger towards women. Institutionalization of that anger, including the tacit approval of violence and sexual abuse. Channelling that anger and hatred into a model where women are merely vessels to carry your seed and help you deal with your daddy issues.

    I’m sorry, but I don’t see how you get your analysis out of what the Pastor says here. If the Pastor is relaying the incident correctly, and you give no reason for doubting he’s doing so, then the rebuke the woman recieves is gentle and well deserved. She was being condecending towards him. His “boy I got her good” demeanor is more troubling to me than the rebuke itself.

    As a person who qualifies by academic definition as a Christian Fundamentalist, I find great offense in misrepresentations whether they come from alledged Fundies or their critics. Unfortunately its usually the extremes that scream the loudest and get the most attention, and as such tar and feather everyone else.

    I don’t live in Seattle and don’t know this Pastor, but if the news story is right – and at this point I have no reason to doubt it beyond the existance of prior media misrepresentations – then this Pastor is an example of the extreme jumping up and down yelling “Look at me!” He is no more representative of a typical Fundamentalist Christian than Fred Phelps is.

    Your criticism has its own problems. It begins with a gross mischaracterization of the Biblical admonition for a wife to submit to her husband – it assumes the issue is control rather than deliniations of responsibilities, and ignores the next command to the husband to be faithful and honoring to his wife and responsible for the safety and welfare of his family even if it means his own death. I’m sorry, but whether the ommision was deiberate or accidental, taking the command to wives out of context by separating it from the command to husbands is going to lead to a misunderstanding of what is actually being said. And that goes for Pastor Driscoll as well.

    As to “daddy issues”, I would invite those interested to get Doctor Paul Vitz’s book Faith of the Fatherless: The Psychology of Atheism. Its a good place to start in exploring the family dynamics of Christian societies. Its not without controversy, but it should be noted that the two most famous attempts to address the same subject from the opposite position – Michael Shermer’s How We Believe and Gregory Paul’s “Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies”, were both done by people outside their respective fields of expertise.

    Lastly:

    But here’s what they’re missing: You aren’t a counter-culture hero if all you’re doing is reinstating dominant cultural norms and adding a skateboard. And natalism, misogyny and male aggression aren’t exactly earth-shatteringly new ideas.

    Aside from the obvious pushbacks on natalism, misogyny, etc., I would offer that the Cross IS the counter culture. The fact that so many people go to Church in the United States doesn’t make it the driving force of our popular culture. In fact the Church is held up as an object of ridicule whether the criticism is valid or not. Adopting a belief that is held in contempt by the most influential members of society and still engaging that society with an eye towards offering an alternative view of how and why things should be is by definition counter culture.

    My comments were intended as constructive criticism. For a more accurate depiction of the truth about Christian fundamentalism, I might suggest to you and your readers the article “Religion and the War Against Evil” by Harvey Cox, The Nation, Dec. 24, 2001. It would eliminate a lot of the misconceptions I find here.

    Your continued success,
    Tom B

  27. “As to “daddy issues”, I would invite those interested to get Doctor Paul Vitz’s book Faith of the Fatherless: The Psychology of Atheism”

    Wow. It’s been exactly one whole day since I’ve had a (I’m assuming here given the defense of the loathsome bible) theist suggests us atheists are just “mad” at daddy, so we deny god.

    “Adopting a belief that is held in contempt by the most influential members of society and still engaging that society with an eye towards offering an alternative view of how and why things should be is by definition counter culture. ”

    Sadly, it has not been one whole day since the last theist told me how oppressed they are.

    What influential members of this society show comtempt toward Christianity? Certainly not the president. Certainly not Congress, or SCOTUS. Certainly not the T.V. networks that bombard us with xmas special after xmas special not to mention the daily briefings from the 700 club.

    Please elaborate exactly how this country shows contempt for Christianity, rather than cloying, unending support of it.

    It’s always interesting to me though that everyone always has “misconceptions” about Fundamentalist religions, but somehow they still turn out to be true.

  28. I hate difference feminism. It’s always seemed to me to be patriarchy-lite. Not unlike that vile Resa LaRu Kirkman article, with all the chicks up on pedestals for being both the hand that rocks the cradle and the hand that rules. Right.

    I have no problem with a woman going from not wanting any kids to wanting one or more very much. And anyone who’s been home with two young uns for long will now that needing a break right now is not the same as wishing they’d never been born. But in that “clarification” of Judy’s remarks she seems to be saying that being valued as a woman [in the church] is quite a relief after years of sexism in the workplace. I have no doubt that is true.

  29. I’m sorry, but I don’t see how you get your analysis out of what the Pastor says here. If the Pastor is relaying the incident correctly, and you give no reason for doubting he’s doing so, then the rebuke the woman recieves is gentle and well deserved. She was being condecending towards him. His “boy I got her good” demeanor is more troubling to me than the rebuke itself.

    Tom-

    By projecting a picture of a man who recorded the lyric, “Now watch me slap ya ass with dicks, bitch,” as part of a church service, in a context that is not critical of Snoop’s behavior, this pastor IS giving tacit approval to sexual violence against women. By reducing a woman’s blessings to her ability to reproduce – that IS reducing women to vessels to carry one’s seed.

    I am a feminist, but I am also a Christian, and on both fronts, I do object to this church’s tactics and teaching. It’s sickening.

    I DO think that Christian communities can be counter-cultural. I’ve encountered such a quality in women’s religious communities, such as the Immaculate Heart Community, the Sisters of St Joseph of Carondelet, and the Order of St Benedict. They have created Christian communities which place a high priority on women’s education and leadership and welcoming those who are marginalized (illegal immigrants, gays and lesbians, the sick, the elderly). But communitites like Mars Hill that perpetuate outdated gender stereotypes are NOT counter-cultural . . . they maintain the status quo in both society and institutional Christianity.

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