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Stupid New York Times.

Hey, does anyone want to talk about The Gilmore Girls? I love that show. How about if I share my banana muffin recipe? Or talk about the spicy coconut milk champurrado I made last night? Or my binder? I could post about that! It’s really painful!

No? Darn.

I guess I’ll have to talk about the New York Times article after all.

I don’t have a very good sense of the paper’s coverage of transpeople or ftms thus far; I cannot remember seeing many other articles on their site, in print, or linked from online ftm communities. Apart from the profile of Ben Barres and countless reviews of Transamerica, there hasn’t been much other coverage this year. This article seems like a late entry in the Ftms: They Walk Among Us genre. Most of it is boilerplate; some of it could have been lifted verbatim from its counterpart in the San Francisco Chronicle, for example.

The New York Times:

The Trouble When Jane Becomes Jack

The San Francisco Chronicle:

Straddling Sexes

The New York Times:

Among lesbians — the group from which most transgendered men emerge — the increasing number of women who are choosing to pursue life as a man can provoke a deep resentment and almost existential anxiety, raising questions of gender loyalty and political identity, as well as debates about who is and who isn’t, and who never was, a real woman.

The San Francisco Chronicle:

A boom in the number of people transitioning from female to male (referred to as FTMs) has been stirring up controversy, even within the lesbian community. There are those who are feeling curiously uncomfortable standing by as friends morph into men. Sometimes there is a generational flavor to this discomfort; many in the over-40 crowd feel particular unease. Having lived through the fiery feminist years, when challenging male power was central to a particular agenda, some lesbians have gone so far as to say they feel betrayed by those “transitioning” – the street parlance for crossing genders.

And the Chronicle’s subheader:

Young lesbians transitioning into men are shaking the foundation of the lesbian-feminist world

The New York Times:

Barbara Price, a former festival producer, said the uneasiness has been “a big topic among lesbians for quite some time.”

“There are many people who look at what these young women are doing, and say to themselves, ‘Hey, by turning yourselves into men, don’t you realize you’re going over to the other side?’ ” she said. “We thought we were all supposed to be in this together.”

(snip)

Politically and personally, the change has equally profound effects. Some lesbians view it as a kind of disloyalty bordering on gender treason.

The San Francisco Chronicle:

Historically, it’s been butch lesbians who have been the most angered about what sex crusader Susie Bright has gone as far as calling “butch flight.” In 1984, Bright’s magazine, On Our Backs, featured her butch lover, Honey Lee Cottrell, in the debut centerfold. In an era when butch-femme identity was just re-emerging in the lesbian community, it was a daring act of butch- appreciation.

Cottrell, a photographer, now 57 with a shock of white hair, says her gut feeling is that those who are transitioning leave her alone in her battle for acceptance as a masculine lesbian. “What happened to cross dressing and taking on masculine drag? I fought very hard for butchness to be viewed as a badge of honor,” she says, “and I feel as though there are less people now to fight the fight.” Still, as someone who has fought for freedom in both sexual and gender expression, Cottrell say she is extremely aware of the divisiveness of her viewpoint. “At one time in history I was accused by the lesbian community of betrayal because of being butch. I’m certainly not out to disrespect anyone else.”

The New York Times:

“There is a general uneasiness about this whole thing, like ‘What are we losing here?’ ” said Diane Anderson-Minshall, the executive editor of Curve, a lesbian magazine. The issue stirs old insecurities about women being “not good enough,’’ she added.

The San Francisco Chronicle:

“How is leaving femaleness behind supportive of female power?” she asks. M claims a hierarchal view of masculinity has developed in the lesbian community; she’s heard young butches say that if they don’t transition, they fear they won’t get dates.

The New York Times:

The Census Bureau does not try to count the number of transgendered people in the United States, and many who make the transition from one sex to another do not wish to be counted.

A European study conducted 10 years ago, and often cited by the American Psychiatric Association, says full gender reassignment occurred in 1 in 11,000 men and 1 in 30,000 women, a ratio that would place the number of men who have become women nationally at only about 13,000 and women who have become men at about 5,000.

The San Francisco Chronicle:

The number of FTMs now in the Bay Area is impossible to figure; speculation runs from the mid-hundreds into the thousands. The first Bay Area FTM newsletter was published in 1986, and the third inaugural meeting called a year later brought out 10 FTMs at various stages of transition. By 1995, nearly 400 FTMs attended a public conference. Support groups have now been outnumbered by Internet chat groups offering community as well as practical information about hormones, doctors and legal issues, but make it difficult to take a head count.

The New York Times:

Transgender advocates, however, say those statistics fail to reflect an increasing number of people, especially young people, who call themselves transgendered but resist some or all of the surgeries available, including, for women becoming men, the creation of a penis. Some delay or avoid surgeries because of expense. For women [i.e. transmen] especially, the genital surgery is still risky.

The San Francisco Chronicle:

Despite anecdotal evidence and a buzz that has terms like “T” – street shorthand for testosterone – popping up in daily conversations, numbers are also elusive because definitions are hazy. Though most FTMs do take hormones, some don’t, and choose instead to cross dress or bind their breasts to create their identity. And though many FTMs remain visible and active in the urban lesbian community, others disappear into the suburbs. The sexual orientation of FTMs runs the spectrum, from those who identify as heterosexual and pair with straight women, to those who are attracted to men and identify as gay – and, of course, all possibilities in between.

(Note that the last passage has no counterpart in the New York Times article.)

The New York Times:

She [sic] began taking testosterone about three years ago, then had “top surgery” — a double mastectomy — and is now a muscular 42-year-old of medium height with long sideburns and a goatee.

The San Francisco Chronicle:

Now, young lesbians immediately enter a community in which the option to change genders is readily available – an option that some say they might be taking up too lightly, injecting their bodies with testosterone and having radical breast-reduction surgery before they’ve had time to explore who they might be as adults.

The New York Times:

For financial and practical reasons, Mr. Caya, the legal director of the Transgender Law Center in San Francisco, decided to forgo “bottom surgery,” which could cost as much as $100,000 and would involve two or three operations to graft on an ersatz penis.

The San Francisco Chronicle:

Very few FTMs undergo genital reconstruction: The operations are costly, painful and have yet to produce a fully functional penis.

“Fully-functional?” What does that mean, exactly? I doubt that it’s a standard many transguys are comfortable with, particularly since it places us firmly on the lemon side of the divide. As someone in an ftm community pointed out, “ersatz” definitely is not a neutral term. Ersatz coffee, for example, is a transparently inadequate imitation of real coffee. An ersatz penis, then, would be a condom stuffed with ground chicory and sawdust.

All that aside, can the mainstream press either agree to describe more than one bottom-surgery procedure or just stop talking about bottom surgery at all? I’m sick and tired of articles that provide the following information about ftm genital surgery:

1) It’s “risky.” In fact, the results suck.

2) Virtually all of us don’t want it.

3) It costs as much as a hundred thousand dollars. Or more. Possibly several hundred thousand dollars. No one really knows. Penis is the most precious material on earth, doncha know.

4) It might involve the creation of a phallus. Of some kind. Or something.

Would it be that difficult to put in a standard fifty-word description of meta and phallo respectively, given that they’re so different that it’s virtually impossible to talk about both at the same time? The NYT’s subscribers probably think we go on a penis transplant list or get fitted for animatronic genitalia or something.

There are two types of ftm genital surgery. Like I said, they don’t have very much in common. The first one, which is by far the most common, is called a metoidioplasty. This is Jamison Green’s description of the procedure:

Metaoidioplasty (commonly spelled metoidioplasty), meaning “a surgical change toward the male,” is a term coined by one of the surgeons who developed the technique in the 1970s. It results in a small penis, but one that is erotically sensate and capable of unassisted erection. Derided by some as not masculine enough, for many transmen it is an acceptable alternative because it does not leave scars on other parts of the body, and because of the promise of erotic sensation. Not all transmen are good candidates for this procedure because acceptable results require a significant amount of testosterone-induced growth in the clitoris (usually discernable after about one year of testosterone treatment). And not all transmen are capable of accepting themselves with a small penis.

Metoidioplasty techniques can be compatible with urethral extension, and with the proper placement of the penis and scrotum forward on the body (which sometimes doesn’t happen, due to the transman’s original physical construction or the surgeon’s technique), a very natural-looking, natural-feeling package is achievable. This procedure may be done as an outpatient in a clinic, though, as with phalloplasty, a general anesthetic is required. It can be done in one stage, though some surgeons prefer to construct the penis and scrotum first, then place testicular implants in the scrotum in a second procedure using local anesthetic and a sedative rather than a second general anesthesia. Costs for this procedure range from roughly $10,000 to $20,000.

The second one is called a phalloplasty. You can read more here, and even see pictures:

Techniques of Phalloplasty:

Forearm Free Flap Technique

This technique creates a phallus by removing tissue (blood vessels, nerve, skin and tissue) from the non-dominant forearm (usually left). This tissue is rolled into a tube (to look like a penis) and then grafted onto the groin area where microsurgery is used to attach the blood vessels and nerves. Usually, a skin graft from the thigh is taken to cover the skin removed from the forearm.

Abdominal Pedicle Flap (aka Suitcase Handle)

This technique has the surgeon creating the phallus by cutting tissue on the abdomen or waist, rolling it into a tube and letting it get used to being on its own (separated from the body). Basically, the patient has a large roll of skin on the abdomen or waist for about a month or two – this allows the tissue to establish its own blood supply. Later, when the surgeon is sure that the phallus has a proper blood supply, it is further cut to hang in the groin area and shaped to look more like a penis.

Different procedures, different costs, different risks, different benefits, different results. These two procedures cannot be described at the same time. Phalloplasty can cost “as much as a hundred thousand dollars.” Metoidioplasty never costs that much. Phalloplasty involves a skin graft. Metoidioplasty does not. Phalloplasty is much more involved than metoidioplasty, and in many ways more chancy. More transmen are interested in metoidioplasty than phalloplasty. More transmen have plans to eventually obtain metoidioplasty than phalloplasty. More transmen have obtained metoidioplasty than phalloplasty.

The mainstream press tends to describe bottom surgery in phallo-inclusive terms, which means that they provide really inaccurate information about the costs, results, and popularity of bottom surgery in general. For example:

For financial and practical reasons, Mr. Caya, the legal director of the Transgender Law Center in San Francisco, decided to forgo “bottom surgery,” which could cost as much as $100,000 and would involve two or three operations to graft on an ersatz penis.

As far as the rest of the article goes…like I said, it’s your standard mainstream coverage of transsexuals. It uses the wrong pronouns for no good reason. It divides every ftm life into pre-transition/girl and post-transition/wow-it-really-looks-like-a-dude. It’s not as overtly fetishistic as the Chronicle article, but it does engage in a lot of the same objectification of transmale bodies.

With respect to lesbians and ftms who came out into the lesbian community and might or might not feel a strong connection to it, plenty of ftms are not oriented towards women. Some never were, and some never considered themselves lesbians. In fact, I’m not sure anyone’s ever proven that most ftms come out of the lesbian community–a lot of us are invisible throughout. There is a lot of overlap, in affiliation and reception, between “female-assigned person with masculine or androgynous characteristics” and “dyke,” but butch flight is a deeply inaccurate way to frame the emergence of ftms who were once lesbian-identified. It wouldn’t have killed the New York Times to present a slightly more nuanced picture of ftm sexuality and queer identity.

While they’re up, it’d be nice to break out of the style section.


52 thoughts on Stupid New York Times.

  1. Penis is the most precious material on earth, doncha know.

    I’m sure you’re seen it, but there was an article in The New Yorker years ago about how the surgeons would go on and on about bottom surgery, about how great they could make this penis or that.

    And they just couldn’t figure out why none of these transguys wanted it. What was funny was the author’s somewhat deadpan delivery of that kicker. I know I have it here and I’ll send a copy of you’re never seen it. It probably came out in 1992 or so.

  2. heh. It’ll give me a good excuse to clean out my teaching files. Watch out, b/c I’ll be scanning all kinds of stuff and loading it to the blog! Yahoo! Look for it later today or this week. If I’m not in the stages of a gall bladder attack — coz I think I might be. Joy!

  3. That was fascinating, but I’d still like the muffin recipe and, if possible, one for the champurrado as well.

    Penis is the most precious material on earth, doncha know

    Well, when you consider the effort it takes to mine raw penis ore from mines as deep as a quarter-mile, and all the effort of processing – did you know that it takes a hundred tons of ore to make one penis? – and the difficulty of transporting rough, uncut penises on donkey-back from the depths of the jungle, and malaria and yellow fever and all that crap, it’s no wonder.

  4. Hey, *I* want to talk about Gilmore Girls. Man, what happened last season? It’s always so sad when a good show just loses it. And what with the departure of the creators, it’s not like there’s much reason to be hopeful about this season. Sigh!

  5. I think you’ve about covered it, actually. I’ve seen this around and tried some half-hearted analysis elsewhere, but it’s so shallow that I can’t get far.

    Lesbians: We don’t hate men anymore. Really! But we just might hate you, ftms.
    FTMs: We didn’t really want the icky penis anyway.
    Butches: We’re all one-dimensional, confused, jealous, potential ftms.
    Pronouns: We’re just alllll fucked up.

  6. How about if I share my banana muffin recipe? Or talk about the spicy coconut milk champurrado I made last night?

    Actually, I could use a good banana muffin recipe and the spicy coconut milk champurrado sounds like it might be quite yummy. Knowing my whacky cooking ideas, I’d probably end up mixing the champurrado into the banana muffin batter for some yummy atole banana muffin goodness.

  7. The banana bread recipe in the current Joy of Cooking is actually pretty good, and easy to muffinize.

    More topically, I think any journalist who’s going to write about trans issues should just have to read Becoming a Visible Man before starting the interview process. And do a book report. How does the same tired misinformation get used in every article? How is that possible?!

  8. The NYT’s subscribers probably think we go on a penis transplant list or get fitted for animatronic genitalia or something.

    I don’t know about that, animatronic genitalia sounds kind of cool.

    Then again, maybe I just watched too many “behind the scenes/the making of” mini-documentaries when I was younger :p

  9. Hey, *I* want to talk about Gilmore Girls. Man, what happened last season? It’s always so sad when a good show just loses it. And what with the departure of the creators, it’s not like there’s much reason to be hopeful about this season. Sigh!

    More than a few shows have come back strong after a less than stellar season(BtVS), even after the creator has left (West Wing). So, I’m still holding out hope. Apparently though, there’s some talk of a GG/Veronica Mars cross-over. While I love both shows, this has definite shark jumping potential.

  10. Apparently though, there’s some talk of a GG/Veronica Mars cross-over.

    That would be like if David Lynch and Nora Ephron cowrote a screenplay.

  11. Piny, I cannot thank you enough for sharing your insight, knowledge, and experiences with us at this feminist blog. I came here for the feminism and several months later, I find myself thinking daily “I wonder what Piny has new up at Feministe?!” Your writing has educated and challenged me over and over again.

    You have unavoidably challenged my beliefs about men. I admit that as a radical lesbian I DO often think of men as “the problem” and generally avoid them. If I say I love your writing and admire your integrity, beliefs, intellect, etc.how can I reconcile with the fact that I would quite likely dismiss you as irrelevant if I met you and perceived you as “just a man?” If I respect you as a man, and I believe I do, how can I say I don’t respect men? Thank you for that, Piny, and so much more. You have made a difference in my life.

  12. Someone beat me to the penis mining joke

    Hey, all that information in my post came directly from Educational Film Number Forty-Five, Penises And You: Genitalia In the World Economy.

  13. plenty of ftms are not oriented towards women. Some never were, and some never considered themselves lesbians.

    Word.

    If I may self-promote, I wrote about how much this ftm=butch dyke in denial myth hurt me growing up here

  14. I’m still mad at the GG writers for the season finale. WTF was that? Lorelai knows better. She’s smarter than that. Of course, they’d been building up the stupid for several episodes. The secrets that Luke and Lorelai were keeping from each other, etc…but sleeping with Chris? Puhleeze. Both are good guys, really, but unless they’re going to turn it into a polyamorous relationship, that crap was totally unnecessary. At least Rory got over her stupid “I’m going to believe the crap my boyfriend’s dad told me about myself because I have zero self-esteem because…” oh wait. There’s no reason for Rory to have no self esteem, because she was raised better. By Lorelei. Who’s smarter than to self destruct a relationship she’s been building for years from a solid friendship. Pbbblt. I hope they do better next year.

  15. Nick, I empathize with the thoughts you expressed in your essay at jay sennett jaywalks. I spent a number of years in a state of general confusion over the idea that I identified as female, but was attracted to women. There weren’t many lesbian mtf role models around in late 80’s. Well, actually, there weren’t many trans role models around at all, but the idea that one could identify as female and be attracted to women was a really odd notion back then.

  16. I dunno, Odanu. Lorelai hasn’t exactly impressed me with her decision-making skills in the past. I’m really annoyed with the writers for turning Luke from a solid, decent, if taciturn guy into a fundamentally flaky irritant for the sole purpose of keeping tension in the show. But, no, I can totally buy Lorelai’s actions. (I actually find the ultimatum far more silly than the sex in its wake, for that matter.) I mean: how different was this than all of the other relationship imposions on the show?

    And I can sort of buy the having-trouble-dealing-with-my-first-failure-ever-in-life thing of Rory’s … except that the writers made it so BORING. If she was going to have a dark night of the soul, it should have been a lot more INTERESTING. Preferably with a lot more risky behavior.

  17. in addition to penis being the most precious material on earth, conferrence of otherwise bandied about masculine generics is clearly unfit for “ersatz men”.

    as many problems as both columns had, i do think there is some value to at least acknowledging the existence of trans issues – hopefully folks will write to the papers and authors to offer corrections.

  18. I learned more from this post about ftm surgery than I have from reading every article I could get my hands on from mainstream papers. In my whole life.

    As awesome as it is that I’m learning so much from you, it’s sad that the news contains so little news, that our information sources contain so little information. Are journalists just too lazy to do actual research so they just slap together a bunch of stereotypes and quotes and call it a night?

  19. Hey, all that information in my post came directly from Educational Film Number Forty-Five, Penises And You: Genitalia In the World Economy.

    In my head all day: a mental image of a happy miner swinging a pickaxe at a rock face, in a tunnel with penises protruding from the walls. Possibly whistling a cheery penis-mining tune.

    Wrong.

    So wrong.

  20. Jen says a lot of stuff that made me really uncomfortable reading her piece, but I don’t know how to articulate my objections. Does anyone wiser want to take a shot at it?

    Oh, fuck me…yeah, suddenly the New York Times article looks a lot better. Yeah, I guess I should.

    Gee, Jen, you think your attitude towards the right of transwomen to call themselves women has anything to do with the tendency of ftms to get the shit kicked out of them?

  21. Jennifer: I like to think we’re not all bad. I would suggest that the problem isn’t _men_, but people who reinforce misogynist and sexist social relations to their own benefit, who tend very strongly to be men.

  22. I’m afraid all men do that sometimes, whether they mean to or not. Institutional sexism is an incurable disease, we’re all infected from birth, and the best we can do is keep the symptoms at bay.

    Cheers,

    TH

  23. Wasn’t it a filmstrip? This subject just cries out for the filmstrip booop

    (Cue educational male voice; open with scene of people walking on a city sidewalk)
    “Penises. They’re all around us, every day. But did you ever think about where they come from?”
    (Arial – um, airial – um, areal – oh, fuck it. A shot from the air shows a grim, dark hole in the ground. Next to it there is a mine with the usual mine furniture: scaffold-like thing on the top, elevator, men with dirty faces and huge biceps)
    “Hee at the Dickaloosa Mine in southwestern Whereistan, hard-working men toil 364 days out of every year, except leap year, when they toil 364.5 days of the year”
    (Closeup of mine car)
    “This (pause) is what we have come here to find. This –
    is an unpolished penis.”

  24. oh fe, did you have to? I now have an urge to find a large plank, write “All the trannies you NOTICE are unconvincing” on it with marker pen and vigorously beat jen around the head with it until the message sinks in.

  25. Someone help me out here, please?

    Says the NYT:

    men who have become women nationally at only about 13,000 and women who have become men at about 5,000.

    Why that “only”? That’s a ration of 2.5:1, right? So, why the focus on wtm over mtw, and why an effort to belittle the number of mtw?

  26. Why that “only”? That’s a ration of 2.5:1, right? So, why the focus on wtm over mtw, and why an effort to belittle the number of mtw?

    I think the only is supposed to apply to both groups. Plus, while _this article_ focuses on wtm, _most coverage_ of transpeople focuses on mtfs. Our visibility is a much later phenomenon.

    13,000 nationally is a pretty small number; it’s one that I happen to disagree with. 5,000 nationally is laughable.

    Look at how the studies come up with their numbers, and you’ll understand why the 2.5-1 ratio might not be workable. If it helps illustrate the problem, think of me as “not transsexual” for purposes of the usual methodology. That would go for most of the transguys I know, too.

  27. I wrote about how much this ftm=butch dyke in denial myth hurt me growing up here

    I’m not sure it’s a myth. Maybe in some places, larger cities etc. Down here in mid-size Southern city, USA, it is most certainly not a myth. Which is really unfortunate. I personally dropped out of the “lesbian” social scene because of pressure on me, and my friends, to identify as trans. If you presented in the least bit towards butch, you were considered to be clueless and in denial about your secret longing to be transgendered. And if you countered this, you were labelled small-minded.

    It was easier to drop out of the “lesbian” community and leave it to the 18-22 year old transguys; who have all subsequently been on T long enough that they do pass and no longer have any social or psychological need for the lesbian community that they trashed in their rather hedonistic desire to be cutting edge and transgressive. So now they’re all Dudes — and their anger and misogyny are palpably directed at those lesbians that either aren’t femme enough to pass for straight, or butch enough to pass for transgendered.

    And this needs to be said. I don’t think it’s happening everywhere; but it happened here, over the last 7-8 years, and it’s still going on. And yeah, maybe these dudes were never butch lesbians, and that part is a myth, but they sure fucked the community over by claiming they were the butch lesbians bar none.

  28. Didn’t you respond to an earlier post by saying that butch flight was an insidious myth? Maybe I misunderstood you.

  29. Thanks, piny, for explaining that. I can’t access the NYT. So, the numbers are misleading, too exclusionary, thus grossly undercounting? I’m shocked.

  30. Sorry, Qgrrl. It’s early in the morning, and I’m working on a post that has me kind of pissed. Let me, um, rephrase that:

    I agree that it’s important to prevent pressure in either direction; I see no functional difference between beign forced into transition and being forced out of it. Because all of the pressure brought to bear on me was opposite what you describe–and, honestly, sometimes used your argument as cover–it’s difficult for me to acknowledge what you’re dealing with.

    Not that that’s an excuse.

  31. Chicklet Says:

    When does GG have its season premiere?

    The new season of GG starts on Sept. 26.

    Oh and an update, the GG/VM crossover is less than meets the eye. Matt Czuchry, who plays Logan Huntzberger on GG will be playing Logan Echoll’s half-brother on an episode of VM.

    Oh well.

  32. Yeah, piny. I’m not sure how much of what I see around here is strictly regional. Certainly what you and others describe sounds worlds different from little ol’ Durham, NC. And it’s sorta a chicken and eggs phenom, I guess. I don’t know what the origins were, I just know what the overall repurcussions were/are.

    I’m also on day 6 of decreasing my thyroid meds and goddamnittohell I’m tired and foggy. Feh.

  33. Sorry Nick Kiddle,

    I just really felt that something had to be said in opposition to Jen’s position, but I was too nauseous after reading it to reply intelligently.

    And as loath as I am to advocate violence, the plank idea might have some merit. At least it would make us feel better.

  34. Anyone else notice, as well, that in suggesting that trans men were all lesbian women beforehand/like them the ladies/are in relationships with women that are OMG destroyed, the NYT also slipped in a thing about trans women as coming out of the gay male scene/being in gay relationships with men that are OMG destroyed, but that the numbers curiously don’t support this?
    Because, I dunno, there’s a difference, and because trans women haven’t traditionally found shelter pre-transition in queer men’s communities the way parts of the lesbian community have offered places for the transguys, and because some of us are friggin’ dykes anyway, or something. I don’t know. The NYT didn’t really clarify as to why their assumption had no support.

  35. Well, I”m really glad you wrote this even though a muffin recipe is hard to resist.

    I have been fuming over the NYT article, and trying to compose a blog rebuttal since Sunday, but it still isn’t out of the kicking and screaming stage.

    At least now I can link to this! However, I’m a little taken aback that your remarks might imply that I am opposed to gender choice and diversity, that I am prejudiced against transfolk, or that I”m some big lesbian-purist-stick-in-the-mud.

    I did coin the humorous term “butch flight” as a gossipy thing that femmes say to each other when we feel like we’re never going to find a date or the butch of our dreams… and it caught on because that sentiment is very, very real. But it should be taken in the spirit it was offered: the single yearning femme’s lament.

    And it’s true that there’s not a lot of role models for young butches right now– there is a generation gap, a huge one, between butch-femme glory of yesteryear, and the trans/genderqueer moxie of today. I haven’t seen anyone that’s addressed that adequately.

    Finally, what is it about lesbians constantly circling the wagons and fearing the sapphic apocalypse? Gay men do not have confidence crises like this, ever.

    Look again at the first three quotes Piny took from the NYT and the CHRON. If you subsituted the words “bisexual” or “sado-masochist” for FTM, they would have PERFECTLY fit the crisis du jour that dykes went through in the last previous decades.

    As you saw, many more men than women transition gender, statistically. Many more men are actively bisexual or kinky, then women. And yet the gay press never says, “Oh my god, the sky is falling, the last real gay man is barely standing.” It would be considered ludicrous, and it is.

  36. Finally, what is it about lesbians constantly circling the wagons and fearing the sapphic apocalypse?

    Dunno, maybe it has something to do with our meme in heterosexual porn, our use as a stepping stone for transgendered kids to come out of the closet, the mockery our slight community faces anytime we try to do anything other than mimic heterosexual norms of gendered power dynamics. Heaven forbid if you actually are a mullet wearing, flannel loving, hairy-legged separatist. Oh the ill-gotten 80’s cliches! and the underlying misogyny that spurns all of us on to heteronormative assimilation!

  37. “It’s not as overtly fetishistic as the Chronicle article, but it does engage in a lot of the same objectification of transmale bodies.”

    As the author of the SF Chron article (which you do not attribute to me) I’d like to mention that I’m a long time lesbian activist and had the support of most of the trans community of which I wrote.

    I don’t agree with much of your analysis, though I do appreciate, however, your comparison of the NYT article and mine as I tried to pitch mine there first.

    – Louise Rafkin

  38. As the author of the SF Chron article (which you do not attribute to me) I’d like to mention that I’m a long time lesbian activist and had the support of most of the trans community of which I wrote.

    That’s what the hyperlink is for.

    I’m skeptical, to put it mildly. How did you obtain this support? Did you poll us? Or do you mean that you had the support of the individual transpeople who appeared in the article? I can believe that, but that has no bearing on whether or not the descriptions were offensive to transpeople in general.

    I’m also skeptical because I remember complaints about the article back when the article came out. You took some heat in online communities for descriptions like, “He looks like a cute teenaged boy. It’s easy to see why a group of sorority girls at a Midwestern university where Kaisaris recently performed were freaked out to find out he was born female. They found him cute, too.” It’d be a little bit like an article about dykes that took great pains to point out that they weren’t ugly hairy bulldaggers after all. “She looks just like any other pretty teenage girl, albeit with a few more piercings and a punkish hairdo. It’s easy to see how any college boy would despair upon finding out that this lovely young woman was gay.” Wow, we look like men? We’re physically attractive sometimes? Who knew?

    Objectification of transpeople is standard practice in the mainstream press–see the Village Voice ftm article, and Chandra Levy’s “Where the Bois Are” for the NY Post, as well as the Chronicle or any other paper’s coverage of transwomen. Objectification of teh cute little trannyboi1s is something that happens all the time in the queer women’s community. “Lesbian activist” is at best a spotty credential to produce as trans-positive bona fides.

  39. Let me see if I have this, pardon the expression, straight:

    Describing an FTM as ‘cute’ is objectifying trans people.

    Not describing the tiny minority that identifies as FTM in any way is transphobic because it ignores the existence of trans people.

    Now, what was it you were looking for in mainstream media coverage? I was just fucking delighted to see the NYT print the phrase ‘butch flight’. It’s no longer a Googlewhack, and that’s more than I had expected.

  40. Taking pains to focus on the appearance of every ftm profiled in the article–which Rafkin did–is indeed objectifying. That phenomenon is one that the NYT is a long time from reporting on, unfortunately, but it does happen. Some queer women fetishize teh cute lil trannybois; our inclusion and freedom from transphobia usually is dependent on our ability and willingness to fit into the cute lil trannyboi mold. It bothers me for a variety of reasons, and it bothered me that Rafkin resorted to it here. Can you seriously tell me that the analogy I made would not bother you, if some writer in the New York Times wrote a style-section article about hip young dykes that focused on how fuckable they were–gee, almost as pretty as straight women!

    And yeah, denial is transphobic. Don’t tell me that there aren’t ways to describe ftms that aren’t objectifying. It’s definitely possible to talk about us without turning us into cute little bois. I was looking for respectful treatment that acknowledged community diversity–y’know, like the number of ftms who are not dykes and never were–among a few other things. Rafkin managed that, although she didn’t spend much time on the lives of ftms at other places on the “spectrum;” the NYT did not. I detailed my problems with the article in the post.

    “Butch flight” is controversial; it depends on a definition of butch that might well be incorrect and decontextualized. Given that it’s so very common for non-masculine, non-female-oriented ftms to identify as butch pre-transition because they happen to like men’s clothing, I don’t think it makes sense to read the butch-into-ftm transition in such a simplistic, paranoid way. My aunt was married for fifteen years prior to coming out as a lesbian, but it wouldn’t make any sense to see her as a defector from the heterosexual ranks. Unless, of course, you’re as much a paranoiac as James Dobson.

    It’s funny, too, to see someone so concerned about butch flight who at the same time doesn’t believe that ftms exist in remotely significant numbers. How can a “minority” remain “tiny” when all the butches are absconding from dykedom to fill it up?

  41. Who said I was concerned about ‘butch flight’? I think it’s a funny phrase that summarizes a view of FTMs that is by its nature limited and limiting and therefore inherently false. I was, however, delighted to see anything in national media that acknowledged such an inside-baseball term. It suggested that the writer talked to someone besides her lesbian cousin, or whoever she knows from college, to get background.

    At one time, as in when I was your age, it would have been a reason for a party if the NYT style editor had noticed that there were lesbians at all…as opposed to knowing that some women don’t seem to care about shoes.

    The article was about a particular formerly lesbian couple and whatever social trends might be represented by one of them becoming a guy…what’s not to like? Louise got the Chron to publish an article on the premise, this is a newsworthy trend, and you’re throwing it back at her that what they ran wasn’t broad enough?

    Kids today. It’s your blog and you can nitpick if you want to, but you really want to know whether I’d be bothered by some gosh-some-dykes-are-even-wearing-lipstick tripe? This year, it would be bothersome. But 20 years ago we would have killed many bottles of tequila celebrating such an important victory for dyke visibility.

    You’re welcome. Now how about the banana muffin recipie?

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