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But Women Don’t Have Sex For Fun!

In a not terribly startling finding, a new study has found that over 50% of Australian women have had (gasp!) casual sex:

In a study of more than 650 women of all ages, 53 per cent admitted to having a mate for regular but non-committed sex during their lifetime.

Sexologist Stacey Demarco said this type of relationship offered women a safer sexual environment than a classic one night stand.

But it still allowed them to be emotionally unattached.

And, God knows we can’t have that.

That this is a surprise in this day and age is probably a reflection of lingering attitudes about women’s “natural” sexuality, as described here by someone in Amanda’s Very Special Moderation Queue:

“Slut” as a derogatory term goes to female evoltionary history and the need to control sexual behavior for what used to be the inevitable outcome. Women who gave it up easily were damaging to themselves and their families gene pool because sex always produced babies. No telling how those babies would turn out if girls slept with whatever idiot or unhealthy man came along. We needed a derogatory slur to talk about girls who don’t hold out till Mr. Good Genes comes along. No such term for guys because there is no such risk. The more babies you make as a guy the more potentially successful offspring. This stuff is hardwired into many people. My question is should we attempt to suppress this natural caution in women. I don’t want my daughters to become smitten with and emotionally attached to the first dolt that is willing to give them an orgasm. On the other hand, once they have Mr. Right, I hope they let down every inhibition within that relationship.

As Amanda so ably notes, Mr. “I hope my daughters keep their legs shut and then fuck like crazed weasels in their marriage beds so they can pass on my good genes” misses a rather big flaw in his reasoning: if women are so naturally cautious, why the need for shaming? Of course, the answer may lie in his penultimate sentence: I don’t want my daughters to become smitten with and emotionally attached to the first dolt that is willing to give them an orgasm.

Because women, of course, cannot have sex with said dolt without becoming smitten. Women are emotional creatures, who see sex as an expression of love, and whose clitorises are directly connected to their hearts.

Now, I’ve known plenty of women who make that mistake. Who think that having sex means that there are feelings there. Or that you can only really enjoy sex if you’re in love.

Hell, no! It’s quite possible, and fulfilling, to have a booty-call relationship, so long as the parameters and expectations are clear:

“As long as both parties understand the parameters of the ‘relationship’ this is a healthy way to go,” Ms Demarco said.

“Rules such as what happens if one of you meets someone else `serious’ and safe sex practices need to be discussed upfront, so no one gets hurt.”

The real problem with this kind of arrangement comes in when one partner develops feelings for the other (it does happen; we are human, after all), and those feelings aren’t returned. Then it’s the kind of uncomfortable — nay, miserable — arrangement that probably leads to conversion to highly dogmatic religions with very restrictive views on sex and birth control and evangelism in the name of said views.

That, or fucking drummers.

Of course, not everyone believes that the results of the study (sponsored by a manufacturer of a “female enhancement” supplement) are an unqualified good:

Ms Demarco said the results showed Australian women had an increasingly flexible approach to relationships and were not single-mindedly focussed on finding long-term love.

Instead, they were prepared to enter regular but casual relationships with men who were their sexual match but possibly not suited in other ways, she said.

Professor Susan Davis, a women’s health expert at Monash University, agreed women had a freer attitude to sex these days, but said they still valued the traditional relationship.

“This shows that young women believe they have a right, like men, to just have sex,” Prof Davis said.

“In a survey, they might flippantly say they’re into these (booty call) relationships … but in reality, we shouldn’t undervalue the fact that for young women having a partner is actually very important.”

For that matter, we shouldn’t undervalue the fact that for young men (and older men — and older women, too), having a partner is actually very important.

I mean, most people want to be partnered (at least until they have been, and then the bloom is off the rose should it end badly). Even people who spend their younger years bouncing from booty call to booty call would like to find a steady partner — at least eventually. Hell, even cynical and bitter old me finds herself hoping against hope that something might actually work out for once (though, frankly, I’m reaching my limit of disappointment before I pack it in and head off to the convent). But, if I can find mutually agreeable casual-sex partners with whom I’m on the same page, why the hell should I stay celibate until I find twoo wuv?

Samhita brings up some very good points about cultural expectations, and whether casual sex is even possible in a patriarchy:

The article doesn’t discuss gay relationships, where the parameters of casual sex and open relationships are different. Furthermore, I am ALL for booty calls (trust) however, I wonder is casual sex possible for women in a patriarchal society? Men benefit so much from dating/heteronormative culture (not always by choice, but most of the time). For example, women that have casual sex are often labeled whores or too sexually aggressive. Whereas, men are seen as studs. Also, sentiments such as jealousy, neediness, romantic fantasy, beauty standards, these are all ideas that are rammed into young peoples heads creating really intense (and complicated) expections upon the way women are supposed to act with respect to sex and romance.

And those expectations are reflected in the experts responding to the article. Professor Davis, with her concern that women who respond to this survey are being “flippant” and in denial about their real, true need for a “traditional” partner (read: husband), is voicing an attitude milder than, but very much related to, that of Mr. Crazed Weasels above. For their own good, women must give up the illusion of sexual freedom and experimentation and channel their sexual energies into societally-approved forms. And society doesn’t approve when women like a booty call now and then.


26 thoughts on But Women Don’t Have Sex For Fun!

  1. This reminds me of the ‘Taming of the Slur’ article in the NYTimes a couple of weeks ago. Will it ever stop being a novelty for women to enjoy sex as sex, and not some kind of passport to emotional fulfillment?

    (Also: I love how you snuck in that ‘twoo wuv’/Princess Bride reference!)

  2. The commenter over at Pandagon really overestimates the frequency with which men “give” orgasms to women. In order for his daughters to achieve orgasm during intercourse, they and their good-gene-having husbands are going to have to know more about the female body and female pleasure than is typical of someone subjected to or participating in so much slut-shaming.

  3. -women’s orgasms aren’t given to them by their sex partners. an orgasm can only be had during sex if both people figure out what they are doing. and a woman can definately have one by herself.

    -sex is an important part of our social structure and isn’t just for reproduction = it is mostly for fun and social bonding

    -genetically speaking, it makes sense for women (females) to have multiple sex partners. in a lot of species it raises the fecundity of the female. and if a female’s offspring are more genetically diverse (e.g. four children, four different fathers), the survival rate of her genetic material goes up. not only that but as a female desiring to pass on your genes you wouldn’t want to get stuck being monogamous with some sterile male anyway. an individual wants to up its chances of passing on its genes any way it can. this doesn’t translate directly to sexual behavior especially the complex behavior of humans, but helps put female casual sex and ‘promiscuity’ into perspective

    -male or female, everyone loves novelty. no matter how much they love their partner or no matter how good the sex with one partner. its simply exciting to have new experiences.
    and speaking from personal experience, having sex with the same person for 7 years, even though i had orgasms, the sex was damn boring at the end of the relationship (like for the last 2 years of it).

    anyway when considering all these factors, i don’t understand why people still want to categorize women as being predisposed to certain norms of sexual behavior. i’ve known poeple of both sexes, young and old, from vastly different cultures, that have had almost every type of sexual relationship arrangement you can imagine. and for some reason they always feel comfortable telling me the details of these things. lucky me, i get to be a vicarious voyeur. 🙂

  4. I don’t want my daughters to become smitten with and emotionally attached to the first dolt that is willing to give them an orgasm.

    He should get his daughters a collection of vibrators and sex toys then, so that they can become innoculated to the awesome mind-destroying power of orgasms.

  5. He should get his daughters a collection of vibrators and sex toys then, so that they can become innoculated to the awesome mind-destroying power of orgasms.

    Hee. He can get them a Pearl Bunny booster shot in a couple of years.

    I thought the problem with the porntraception-mentality liberals was that we refused to get emotionally attached until it was far too late.

  6. In a sex study i read in grad school, Australia was the country where women were most likely to engage in casual but safe sex .

  7. I love how even the more pro-feminist commenter managed to sneak in the “concern”. The concern that a woman is not going to have the relationship she really wants is based on the belief that having casual sex precludes having a relationship. Both/and thinking here! My experience is the opposite—my willingness to do what thou wilt in bed has led to my LTRs, as men who hit the sheets with me decided they’d like to make it a regular thing and pled their cases to me.

  8. When it comes to Sex and all related stuff I say have fun and try not to get pregnant until your ready.

    Of course I am a guy so I guess my opinion on pregnancy is kind of academic….

  9. I mean, obviously, you WANT your children to be happy, that goes without saying, but that sort of control is bordering on the incestuous.

  10. I’m thinking those who buy into to male promiscuity female monogamy crap are making several mistakes
    One is that mating is a nontrivial energy investment for males, one is that they seem to ignore the fact that as many females as males wouldn’t have the kick ass genes, and another is that there is a benifit for females to mate with multiple males.

  11. a new study has found that over 50% of Australian women have had (gasp!) casual sex

    The thing that puzzles me is that I’m pretty sure I remember reading everything from study X says the average woman has two sex partners in her life to study Y says a large majority of people have had one night stands.

    Because women, of course, cannot have sex with said dolt without becoming smitten.

    Well, not with a guarantee of not becoming smitten (nor can men).

    Or that you can only really enjoy sex if you’re in love.

    Which is true, and no mistake, for some “you” and for some appropriate definition of “enjoy sex” and “in love.”

    the study (sponsored by a manufacturer of a “female enhancement” supplement)

    I think the survey I read that had women’s average number of partners pegged at two was from some homemaker type magazine; I suppose that may be why it had different results from the “female enhancement” supplement one.

  12. Did anybody catch the other unquestioned assumption here?

    That is, men can mistake “sex” for “love” just as easily as a woman can (trust me, I’ve found this out the hard way). It’s not just women who sometimes makes something serious out of something that was casual, or think they can start with something casual and make it into something serious.

  13. But, if I can find mutually agreeable casual-sex partners with whom I’m on the same page, why the hell should I stay celibate until I find twoo wuv?

    Don’t forget that some of us continue to have booty calls even after we’ve found twoo wuv. Not all romantic relationships are monogamous.

  14. I’m not certain how it would work for fathers, but there is a biological reason for men wanting their wives/girlfriends to be monogamous. Most men do not want to get into a relationship, have a child with the woman, and then find out that the child isn’t really his. Part of the “slut-shaming” is a strategy by males to make certain that they aren’t saddled with another man’s child. (I am not saying that this is a conscious thought proces, but it is the biological basis behind this tendency).

    Women are less concerned about “slut-shaming” men because they can have great confidence that their baby is theirs.

    Female promiscuity and controls on it are less stringent (on average) in a lot of sub-Saharan Africa, because the men are much less likely to be expected to care for the kids, so a father does not have the same paternal investment and therefore less to lose if “his kids” aren’t really his.

  15. Women are emotional creatures, who see sex as an expression of love, and whose clitorises are directly connected to their hearts.

    How stupid do women have to be, anyway, for “sex, on the whole, is an expression of love” to equate to “once I have sex with a man, I’m his for life”? I mean, I see sex as an expression of love, but I am still intellectually capable of having casual sex.

    I don’t want to, but I can.

  16. How stupid? Try how socially conditioned. The messages given to girls and young women about love and sex are unrelenting.

    You, too, were socially conditioned. You’re socially conditioned to feel entitled to have casual sex, and you think that it’s some grand feat of intellectual achievement to know that you’re capable of having casual sex? And that women are stupid for going along with their social conditioning (just as you are)?

  17. Women are emotional creatures, who see sex as an expression of love, and whose clitorises are directly connected to their hearts.

    That must be my problem. Do you know if you can get surgery for it?

  18. Part of the “slut-shaming” is a strategy by males to make certain that they aren’t saddled with another man’s child.

    Glaivester, you must be friends with TangoMan (see comments).

    Men and women may have very good reasons (biological or otherwise) for wanting a monogamous partner, but I don’t get the logical connection that shaming people whom they consider to be undesirable partners is therefore beneficial to society.

    I have had plenty of casual sex (though I’m now in a monogamous relationship). I hate to think that the guys I was having casual sex with were secretly “slut-shaming” me behind my back, not respecting me as a person who just wanted to get laid, just like them.

  19. What is this “casual sex” of which everyone speaks?

    I always thought that sex was something for which you ought to dress up: with an evening coat (with tails), nice trousers, etc. Maybe I should try jeans and a t-shirt for a change?

    😉

  20. Actually, I don’t think it’s a grands feat of intellectual achievement, and I don’t think women are stupid, and I think that even a woman who does connect sex and love isn’t going to be as confused when she finds out that’s not necesarily the case as a five-year-old whose dog just died.

    My point was, anyone who thinks women can’t make the distinction (which isn’t the same as being conditioned not to make the distinction, or not particularly wanting to make the distinction) thinks women are stupid.

  21. Oh, I worded the last sentence of the first graf badly. A women who discovers her lovers don’t think like her will be significantly less confused than a kindergartener who discovers that Fluffy won’t wag his tail anymore.

  22. Men and women may have very good reasons (biological or otherwise) for wanting a monogamous partner, but I don’t get the logical connection that shaming people whom they consider to be undesirable partners is therefore beneficial to society.

    This is an excellent point. Choosing not fuck someone is a completely acceptable response. Publicly shaming that person is a different matter. It goes along with all the other varieties of “I am not personally attracted to you, therefore you are wrong” which impacts the shaming of fat, queer, or disabled people and those of us who don’t spend our time making ourselves attractive to the mainstream.

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