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LA Times to Fat Girls: Cover it Up!

You know an article is going to be bad when it’s titled Letting it all hang out: For many young women, one size fits all – no matter how that makes them look.

And, not surprisingly, it comes with a fair bit of fat-shaming. Of women, of course — men are mentioned once, as the article applauds them for hiding their fat under baggy clothes. Women, though, are referred to as “Sausage Casing Girls” for wearing too-tight clothing.

The Sausage Casing Girls are everywhere this summer, their muffin tops hanging over their hip-skimming jeans, clothes shrink-wrapped around fleshy bodies that look as if they’ve been stuffed — like forcemeat — into teensy tops and skintight pants.

Has this writer been to LA lately? Because women of all sizes stuff themselves into teensy tops and skintight pants. I suppose its just more offensive if the women doing the stuffing are heavy.

But this phenomenon does not appear entirely to be about self-acceptance and the conscious abandonment of repressive physical ideals. It is far more complicated than that. Yes, there are plenty of young women who can confidently say that they are happy with their less-than-svelte shapes — and that is to be applauded. But there are many others who in the rush to be fashionable are unable to admit that they are larger than they wish to be, or that their bodies just don’t look good in the clothes they are choosing. Instead of reveling in their big, beautiful bodies, many girls instead are deep in denial, pouring themselves into clothes that are putting them in a python squeeze.


Poor dears, so ignorant of how hideous they are. Of course, it’s doubtful that this writer would be so bothered if a thin woman wasn’t aware of how thin she was, or if she didn’t relish her skinny figure. As for their bodies looking good, these women are never going to look “good” by the writer’s standards if we universally define “good” as “skinny.” The best bigger women can do, I guess, is button up and hide themselves from neck to ankles so that the skinny among us won’t be subjected to their offensive appearance.

However, at Potrero’s, her local 18-and-older nightclub, she said she can’t believe the number of overweight women in teensy clothes, with everything hanging out. “Fat or skinny, it doesn’t matter,” she said. “The guys in there will look at you if you’re wearing a little skirt and hoochie tank top.”

You mean that men may find fat women in skimpy clothes attractive? Now that’s just sick.

After years of observing her peers, Sanchez has a theory about the Sausage Casing Girls: “Nowadays, you have kids eating so much junk food that they’re overweight and they’re trying to fit into junior sizes. They don’t want to go to bigger sizes. But junior sizes are for, like, tall, thin girls. So you have girls wearing tight jeans and you see their love handles sticking out ’cause they want to fit into the tight pants that are in style.”

Her theory is supported by those who study the psychology and self-images of girls and young women.

Well, the juniors department is supposedly for the high school set — so it’s no wonder that these girls want to shop there. For many young women, shopping is a social experience. You go with friends, you head straight to the trendy juniors section or teen-targeted store, you browse together, and you get your peers’ opinions on the clothes you try on. It’s not easy for one person in the group to request that everyone head over to the misses or plus-size section.

Not to mention the financial issue. The clothing in the juniors section tends to be knock-offs of the stuff in the rest of the store, so it’s much more affordable. I’m 22 and I still head to the juniors section when I need something simple, cheap and cute. It’s marketed to young women aged 14-20, and so it stocks clothing that women in that age group can afford. Expecting that bigger girls will pay more for their clothes, and will shop in a separate section from all their friends, seems to me to be asking a little too much.

Fifteen-year-old Nattalie Tehrani is a junior at South High School in Torrance who developed an eating disorder after gaining weight when she quit the swim team. “Fifty percent of the girls at my school wear low pants and short tops, and their stomachs are hanging out. It’s unflattering and unattractive, but there is not one kid at my school who does not have a pair of Frankie B.’s or True Religion,” she said, alluding to popular and pricey denim brands known for the lowest of low-rise waists. “Parents don’t seem like they give their kids the truth anymore — they don’t tell them that it’s inappropriate to wear clothes like that.”

Is it inappropriate to be wearing low-rise jeans with your stomach showing, period, or is it particularly inappropriate when fat girls do it?

One weekday afternoon in front of the auditorium at Venice High School, 16-year-old Ivonne Lopez was hanging out with a couple of friends, waiting for her ride home. “The girls who wear tight clothing,” she said, “well, it’s kind of hard not to. This is because everywhere you look, this is the only type of clothing available…. The only clothes that are cute and pretty are the ones that are tight. This makes me feel bad because I feel the fashion industry forgot what being a normal size was.”

Her instinct is correct: According to a study of more than 6,300 women by Cynthia Istook, an associate professor of apparel design and technology at North Carolina State University, only 8% of American women actually have the hourglass-shaped body that the apparel industry uses as its standard. Istook found that most women (66%) are either shaped like rectangles (the waist is closer to the circumference of the bust and hips) or pears (hips are larger than the bust by 2 inches or more).

The fashion world does make accommodations, though. In the last decade or so, manufacturers have adjusted sizes to reflect the reality that Americans are getting fatter. “They’ve changed sizes because girls are bigger. A 6 is no longer a 6,” said Laura Groppe, president of Girls Intelligence Agency, a research and marketing company that studies girls and women up to age 29 for clients who include apparel, cosmetics and entertainment firms. “Psychologically, we all remember when we had to go to the next size up. And so the apparel industry has said, ‘They can’t handle being told they are size 5 already, so let’s make it a bigger 5.’ “

This isn’t a big secret. But the answer, in my opinion, isn’t to oversize clothing so that a size 2 is actually a size 6. It’s to stock a wider range of sizes, and to quit emphasizing this whole size thing so much. It’s to the point where your size doesn’t mean anything anymore, anyway. So who cares if you jeans are 27s or 29s or 32s, or if the dress you’re buying is a 10 or a 14 or a 16? The fashion and advertising industries have put so much emphasis on size that too many women use it as a measure of self-worth. Articles like this certainly don’t help.

Young men are not oblivious to the legions of girls wearing too-tight clothes. Bryce Widelitz, a 19-year-old college student who works as a day camp counselor in Cheviot Hills, said he thinks two things when he sees this: “My first impression is that it’s just disgusting,” he said apologetically. “My second impression is that they are just trying to be like everyone else and fit in: ‘Everyone else is wearing it, so why can’t I?’ ”

His friend Daniel Treibatch, also 19, pinpoints the disconnect between the images the culture hurls at young women and what young women really look like. “I see it every day on the streets. These girls see what is stereotypical in L.A. — all the advertisements and all the girls on TV — and they want to emulate what they see.”

See, fat girls? Boys think you’re “disgusting” and you’re just copying what you see.

The whole issue of overweight and appropriate fit is ticklish, which quickly became apparent one recent Saturday at the Lakewood Center. The mall was full of shoppers, and it was easy to spot Sausage Casing Girls, though difficult to engage a conversation. No young woman wanted to admit — to a reporter, anyway — that she was chubby and her clothes simply didn’t fit.

Perhaps this is because approaching young women in a mall and saying, “Hi, I see that you’re chubby and your clothes don’t fit. Would you like to discuss that?” is not the best way to start a conversation. Or perhaps these women didn’t feel that they had anything to “admit.”

Now why in the world do you think there’s a clear correlation between obesity and depression/anxiety?


62 thoughts on LA Times to Fat Girls: Cover it Up!

  1. Oh…I’m not so sure you’re reading this right at all…

    I know exactly what this article is addressing – it’s not that they want “fat” girls to cover up, it’s that they want girls to wear the appropriate size, even if it’s still revealing. There’s nothing, but nothing, more unattractive on any woman of any size than wearing something that doesn’t fit properly.

    I have to admit I find a roll of flesh splooging over the top of a pair of jeans, both front and back, pretty unattractive. Why not buy a pair of jeans in the appropriate size so you’re not creating that uncomfortable, squeezed-in look? It looks downright painful, too.

    What women of all ages and sizes really need in the way of sizing is standardization. One designer’s size 4 is another manufacturer’s size 2 and yet another’s size 6. My closet includes clothes ranging from a size 4 all the way up to a size 10.

    I think, for women, there’s a mental block against double-digit sizes, so they buy down, swearing they’ll lose a few pounds, and then, of course, they don’t, so they squeeze into the thing anyway and end up looking uncomfortable and lumpy and not pulled together at all.

    It’s not that “fat” girls are disgusting. It’s that squeezing yourself into something that’s two sizes too small makes you look bad – and probably makes you look “fatter” than you are because of the splooge-effect.

    Someone who is a lovely, curvy size 14, for example, can look gorgeous and sexy if she wears clothes that fit her properly, but take those same clothes, give ’em to her in a size 10, and all of a sudden she looks just awful, and heavy and as if she’s not comfortable in her own body.

  2. I know exactly what this article is addressing – it’s not that they want “fat” girls to cover up, it’s that they want girls to wear the appropriate size, even if it’s still revealing. There’s nothing, but nothing, more unattractive on any woman of any size than wearing something that doesn’t fit properly.

    I agree, but the article wasn’t focusing on people of any size whose clothes don’t fit them. It was focusing on fat girls whose clothes are too small. Nowhere does it point out that you can be a size 2 and still wear clothes that don’t fit; it mentions men who wear baggy, too-large clothing, but doesn’t deride them for it.

    I also agree with you about sizing standardization. And while the article mentions inconsistent sizing, it puts the blame on women who are apparently so caught up in their desire to be a smaller size that they buy ill-fitting clothes. In other words, the article doesn’t blame the actual source — the fashion industry — and instead targets fat girls. That’s what bothered me the most about it.

    People of all sizes look better when they wear clothes that fit. I think almost everyone can agree on that. But in just focusing on overweight women, this article promotes all the same unhealthy beauty ideals that feminism has been trying to fight: That women are to be looked at and physically evaluated in a way that men aren’t; that fat = unattractive; and that fat women should hide their flesh.

    An article on sizing would be one thing. This was not that article.

  3. Well, if you’re a size 2 and squeeze yourself into a 0, there’s just much less to splooge over, so it’s not nearly as obvious. Plus, if you’re a size 2, you are the Hollywood/fashion industry ideal, so you’re not going to feel as much pressure to try to squeeze into the next size down.

    It’s a problem. I look at some of the young girls walking around and I wonder what the heck they were thinkin’. I mean, if you’ve got a good six to eight inches of loose flesh popping over the top of your jeans, it’s not a good look. If you have one or two inches hanging over, it’s still not a good look, but I’m much less likely to notice.

    And, yeah, men shouldn’t be doing this, either. I don’t mind baggy so much, but that cinching the belt under the gut thing? That’s awful.

  4. I think you need to go back and reread the article Jill. Only this time, read it with the realization that it’s not talking about overweight girls wearing skimpy clothing, it’s talking about overweight girls wearing clothing that’s physically too small for them.

    It’s arguing the exact same thing you are, only without the additional helping of “it’s perfectly fine if girls who are size 16s cram themselves into size 12 clothing, that’s perfectly healthy behavior.” Which, I’d argue, it isn’t. Denial rarely is.

    Sometimes accepting the truth hurts. But it’s the only way to get from an unhealthy state (I’m a size 12, really! Don’t mind the six inches of fat roll hanging over my jeans!) to a better one (ok, I’m a size 18. And boy do I look hot in these lowrises that fit and this tight top with room to move!)

  5. I think you need to go back and reread the article Jill.

    I think I’m pretty capable of reading it correctly the first time around, thanks.

    Only this time, read it with the realization that it’s not talking about overweight girls wearing skimpy clothing, it’s talking about overweight girls wearing clothing that’s physically too small for them.

    I understand this too.

    It’s arguing the exact same thing you are, only without the additional helping of “it’s perfectly fine if girls who are size 16s cram themselves into size 12 clothing, that’s perfectly healthy behavior.” Which, I’d argue, it isn’t. Denial rarely is.

    I’m sorry, but can you point to where I argued this?

    The article is pointing to certain fashion choices — tight clothes, skimpy tops — and making the point that fat women in particular are wearing clothes that don’t fit or that simply “look bad.” In my opinion, the article crosses the line into fat-shaming. And if it’s really about clothing in general, why the focus only on women?

    Look, I’m with you all when you say that everyone should wear clothing that fits. Duh. I’ll even accept the argument that this was the author’s intention in writing this piece. I just think she did a very poor job of getting that message across.

  6. With larger-sized clothing often a) pricey or subject to an additional “extended sizes” charge, b) ill-fitting (sometimes strangely tent-like), c) relegated to a few racks or a poorly-stocked section, or d) just outright unattractive (weird pockets? appliques? seriously?), it can be difficult to find cute, stylish threads that *fit* well and don’t break the bank.

    But whether a woman’s clothing choices are about making do with what’s available or affordable, keeping up with a popular style, or simply choosing what she likes to wear on her body, I think it’s unacceptable to try to shame her about it on the basis that she doesn’t fall into some narrowly-defined “ideal” of body shape or size.

    Jill wrote: People of all sizes look better when they wear clothes that fit. I think almost everyone can agree on that. But in just focusing on overweight women, this article promotes all the same unhealthy beauty ideals that feminism has been trying to fight: That women are to be looked at and physically evaluated in a way that men aren’t; that fat = unattractive; and that fat women should hide their flesh. An article on sizing would be one thing. This was not that article.

    Well said.

  7. It’s sort of related, but I wanted to mention something. I’m gay, and I’m overweight. Being overweight in the gay world isn’t just a stigma. It means you don’t exist. You either have a deep tan and abs that look like rocks, or you’re a disgusting slob.

    I’d like to see some kind of move for fashionable clothing for overweight men. I’m tired of having to buy tented shirts at Wal-Mart all the time. Either I don’t know where to shop (which is likely, since I’m not the stereotypical gay man) or they don’t make stuff like that easily available.

  8. Being of a certain size and body type means you have certain fashion pitfalls you’re going to have to work at avoiding – unless you really, honestly don’t give a rip what you look like or what anyone else thinks, which is fine.

    Saying that girls with a certain amount of body fat look utterly ridiculous, awful and unattractive when they squeeze themselves into too-tight, too-small clothes, allowing rolls of jiggly, soft fat to ooze out over their jeans or around their bra straps, or whatever, is no worse than saying girls who are short-waisted look like they’re standing in a hole if they wear certain clothes.

    There are certain fashion “don’ts” out there for just about every body type. What works on one body type can make someone else look like something the cat dragged in.

    This is not about size-ism or bigotry. It’s merely an appeal for girls to pay attention to the overall effect their clothing choices have – fat hanging over your jeans is a bad look. This is not a problem thin women have, so to say that the article should have addressed thin women, too, is ridiculous. Thin women don’t have the same fashion issues fat women have, nor do tall women have the same issues short women have, or pear shaped women the same as apple shaped women, and so on.

    You can take politicizing and “feminizing” this stuff so far you end up looking foolish.

    Now, a better take on this article would have been to pick up the themes of teen-age girl insecurity and the need to dress like the group in order to seek acceptance and approval, and the “uniforms” we choose to don, and so forth. But saying that this article is anti-fat-chicks is ridiculous.

    But, hey, if a size 14 girl wants to squeeze herself into a way too small pair of jeans, that’s her right, which seems to be the only thing that matters. I mean, we won’t even get into the yeast infection issue…or the circulation issues…

    If it’s her right, so be it. Just please, for the love of God, let’s not now hear all the larger sized women who’ve chosen to go this route start whining and crying about how it’s not faaaiiiirrr that the men think they look, um, horrible.

    You have a right to wear what you want. Fine. You don’t have the right to force other people to think you look good in it.

  9. Saying that girls with a certain amount of body fat look utterly ridiculous, awful and unattractive when they squeeze themselves into too-tight, too-small clothes, allowing rolls of jiggly, soft fat to ooze out over their jeans or around their bra straps, or whatever, is no worse than saying girls who are short-waisted look like they’re standing in a hole if they wear certain clothes.

    I don’t think this is really true. After all, short-waisted people aren’t routinely held up as unattractive, lacking self-control, or lazy. They don’t generally face discrimination based on their body type. They aren’t portrayed as jokes in movies and on TV. And because of how vilified being overweight is, I think most women would rather be called “short-waisted” than “fat.”

    I’m short, and while the tag on my clothing is a small size, I still have a particular body type that I try and flatter when I’m shopping for clothes. I have a small upper body, a small bust, wider hips, thicker thighs and short, stubby legs. And while I attempt to buy flattering clothes, I don’t always succeed. Yet I haven’t ever seen an article in the style section of a major newspaper about the apparent crisis of short girls with stubby legs wearing, say, shorts — a clothing item which is universally unflattering to this particular body type.

    This is not about size-ism or bigotry. It’s merely an appeal for girls to pay attention to the overall effect their clothing choices have – fat hanging over your jeans is a bad look. This is not a problem thin women have, so to say that the article should have addressed thin women, too, is ridiculous. Thin women don’t have the same fashion issues fat women have, nor do tall women have the same issues short women have, or pear shaped women the same as apple shaped women, and so on.

    But why the appeal just to fat women?

    And the premise of this article is that fat is unattractive. That’s what’s bothersome about it to me.

    You have a right to wear what you want. Fine. You don’t have the right to force other people to think you look good in it.

    Luckily, no one was trying to do this.

  10. I was a size 11 at high school graduation. Now I laugh, thinking of how small that seems from my size 16/18 vantage point. But I remember back then going shopping for graduation dresses with a friend who wore a size 3. She found a dress she liked, and upon not finding one on the rack in her size, held out the tag of the last one. “Eleven!” she said. “Girls who need an eleven shouldn’t wear dresses like this!” I mumbled something about how someone could be really tall and proportionate and look good in an eleven. I didn’t say anything about my own size.

    There is a huge pressure among teenage girls to wear small sizes, no matter how they fit. I remember sitting in certain positions in my desk in high school to allow myself to breathe just so I could keep wearing the jeans size I wanted instead of buying the next size up. This was long before the sausage-casing, low-rise years. Back then we wore our jeans at our waists and no one had even thought of showing a belly except at the beach.

    What is attractive as far as clothing and what flesh is allowed to show is in the eye of the beholder. In the eighties when I was in school, a bared stomach would have been viewed as tacky, but an off-one-shoulder shirt a la Flashdance was cool. Now it just looks like your shirt got stretched out in the wash. In a society where fertility rates were extremely low, a woman showing some extra flesh (i.e., is likely able to conceive and carry a pregnancy to term) would probably become very attractive. What is considered too fat or too tight today is only because our culture currently tells us so and is not a universal, immutable standard.

  11. This is not about size-ism or bigotry. It’s merely an appeal for girls to pay attention to the overall effect their clothing choices have – fat hanging over your jeans is a bad look.

    You know, fat hangs over my jeans when they fit. The only way I could buy jeans that didn’t have fat hanging over them would be to buy them so big that the behind didn’t fit and they didn’t fit in the waist. Which would be uncomfortable. This is because my stomach is fat.

    Also its not at all obvious to me that these women are wearing clothes that aren’t comfortable. I find it telling that at the end of the article the author wouldn’t believe the young woman named Veronica who said she was comfortable. Maybe she was, maybe she wasn’t: but why does the author think she knows based on whether she thinks the woman looks good? I find overly loose clothes to be uncomfortable, even if they do please the audience by hiding my fat.

    I agree with Jill — there are real issues here in terms of the fashion industry and sizing practices and the segregation of plus sized clothing which is particularly hard on teenaged girls, but the author doesn’t focus on these. She seems particularly obsessed with fat women allowing fat to show – thus the emphasis on short tops and low rider jeans. If I wear these styles in the correct size, fat shows. This is because they are designed to show skin. It has nothing to do with clothes being too small. Saying fat people shouldn’t show skin is not the same thing as saying people should wear clothes that fit.

    Did anyone notice that the third picture accompanying the story, which had as part of its caption “We’ve noticed that this style makes people look fat who aren’t really fat” (Cynthia Istook) had a picture of 3 young women none of whom looked fat at all?

    You have a right to wear what you want. Fine. You don’t have the right to force other people to think you look good in it.

    No one is saying you have to think I look good in it. Frankly, I often see men in all sorts of clothing that isn’t flattering, and I don’t find them attractive. But the media doesn’t engage in the same public shaming of skinny people who dress poorly or inappropriately that it does of fat people, especially fat women. If the article had equally shamed all people who wear clothes that don’t fit, including the men who wear clothes that are too big, and the skinny women, then we wouldn’t be having this conversation. (Well, I’m not a big fan of public shaming in any case, but the conversation would be quite different.)

  12. I mean, we won’t even get into the yeast infection issue…or the circulation issues…

    Because only size 14 women get yeast infections; skinny women are immune.

  13. Gee, PHLAF, you’re fighting pretty hard here for your ability to continue to mock fat women.

    Why is that?

    You talk about “fashion don’ts” for all body types; but really, here, you’re talking about “fashion don’ts for WOMEN”. I don’t see all that many fashion don’ts for men who certainly all don’t share the same body type.

    I see just as many oblivious men sporting manboobs or plumber’s crack or bizarre facial hair or combovers or pants that are falling off as I see oblivious teen girls wearing too-tight clothing. All appear to be happy in their fashion choices.

    The unhappy person here is YOU — the person who is not wearing or buying the clothing.

  14. No, Lynn. It’s the too-tight issue. Which is what everyone seems to be forgetting.

    When it comes to the muffin top splooge issue, thin women aren’t likely to have this problem, which is why I think it’s silly to whine about the fact that the article doesn’t address thin women. But, yes, they too can increase odds of getting a yeast infection from wearing too-tight jeans for too long. And have circultion issues (although stretch material in jeans would seem to alleviate that problem – that issue goes back to the days where girls put their jeans on wet and had them dry to their bodies, or had to lie down to zip them, and so on). And when you write that article, Lynn, you can mention that it affects women of all sizes who wear non-breathable fabrics and too-tight pants, etc.

    But that wasn’t the article.

    The article was about splooge.

    Like I said, splooge away. That’s your right. Can’t make me think it doesn’t look bad, and you can’t make the guys think it doesn’t look bad, and you can’t make prospective employers think it looks bad. But by all means exercise your right to splooge.

    BTW, one can purchase anything and have it tailored to fit properly, and it doesn’t even cost that much. If you buy pants that fit in the waist but are too big elsewhere, get them tailored. You’ll never look better. And that goes for everyone from a size zero up to the largest women’s size they make. Clothes that are sewn to be worn by you and only you will make you look great no matter what your size.

  15. I’m with nmw… my fat is in my stomach… so if I wear pants that fit at my waist, my stomach will stick out a little. Its unavoidable.

    Also, when I went over to the article and looked at the pictures associated with it, I didn’t think any of those pictures showed people wearing too tight clothing. The last picture, almost did and that was the picture with the women who looked the thinnest. The other two pictures showed slightly larger women, and I thought they looked good in what they were wearing.

  16. Saying that girls with a certain amount of body fat look utterly ridiculous, awful and unattractive when they squeeze themselves into too-tight, too-small clothes, allowing rolls of jiggly, soft fat to ooze out over their jeans or around their bra straps, or whatever, is no worse than saying girls who are short-waisted look like they’re standing in a hole if they wear certain clothes.

    No worse? Where’s your hatred for the short-waisted body type, then? Or do you not see how much you focused on that jiggly, soft fat oozing out all over?

    You know, it’s quite possible to criticize how certain clothing looks unattractive on someone without criticizing the body itself (and the person who owns the body for her moral failing in allowing herself to get like that). What Not To Wear (the US version) is quite good at that — even Stacy at her meanest doesn’t criticize the person’s body, just the awful things that the clothes do to it. And then they show the person how to dress the body.

    Needing to fit in, especially for young women, is a powerful thing. Is it any wonder that young women, especially, will squeeze into clothing that’s inappropriate for them because they want to be able to wear the styles their friends are wearing?

    Not that the criticism stops when the styles are offered in appropriate sizes, however. Every article I’ve seen on Torrid, the plus-sized teen trend store, contains quotes from someone who bitches that fat girls shouldn’t wear sexy clothes and someone who intones solemnly that we shouldn’t encourage fat girls to wear clothes they like because they might accept themselves as they are and not be shamed into losing weight, and there’s a childhood obesity epidemic dontchaknow.

  17. *and you can’t make prospective employers think it doesn’t look bad…

    Employers are hanging out at clubs?

  18. I want to know where these people are finding clothes that are tailored to hourglass figures. I’m one of that apparently-8% but not plus-sized, and it is usually literally impossible for me to find anything that fits my boobs, my waist AND my hips. The vast majority of the styles at the moment are straight-cut or empire-waist shirts, boy-cut jeans and dropped-waist dresses. I’m liking a few of the 50’s-style dresses in the shops at the moment but even they often don’t fit right. It’s like current fashion is created especially to be as unflattering as possible to as many women as possible.

    I’ve actually taken up sewing because I need to have my clothes tailored for them to fit me correctly and not make me look like a slob, and I usually can’t afford it, so I do it myself.

    As for the article, I read it as a subtly fat-shaming polemic cloaked in an insidious “we’re only talking about size in general, not fat, and anyhow we’re just looking out for you” package. I don’t know why it’s so impossible to talk about clothing sizes without shaming fat people. Hell, I don’t know why an article about women wearing too-small clothes is newsworthy anyhow. Who the hell cares? Why is it anyone else’s business what someone chooses to wear?

  19. And, yeah, men shouldn’t be doing this, either. I don’t mind baggy so much, but that cinching the belt under the gut thing? That’s awful.

    You really are a fucking piece of work, aren’t you?

    Twenty seconds of thought will tell you why guys with paunches cinch their belts too tightly to meet with your approval. Can you manage that?

  20. I’ve had a few years of adulthood to come to terms with how I look versus how the “icons of American womanhood” look. But I’ve been shopping at one of those boutique stores where I was convinced by the saleswoman to try on a pair of size 32 jeans. 32!!????!! I haven’t been below a 35 in years – but she insisted.

    And she was right – a size 32 high-end jean looks pretty good on my size 35 waist. Well, a few inches below that.

    My point being – if I was still a naive 17 year old with a mother who had no interest in what to wear except to know it was cheap, I would be confused when I took that size 32 and tried to apply it to another pair of jeans. And would have probably squeezed into something that didn’t really fit because that saleswoman said I was a 32. And I would have had a muffin top (I love that term) to die for. And would have been even more self-conscious than usual about how the jeans looked, because they really didn’t.

    And I certainly didn’t know that tailors were available to adjust off-the-rack clothing when I was 17. Actually, until I was 30, but maybe I’m just extra-unaware??

    So why is it about the fat girls making bad decisions and not so much about the fashion industry setting them up for confusion and misapprehension about how to handle skinny fashion when you’re not?

    And that’s my happy 4th harumph for the day.

  21. BTW, one can purchase anything and have it tailored to fit properly, and it doesn’t even cost that much.

    Um, no. Believe me, I try this. I need a size no one even makes–medium extra tall (for men). Even when I buy the closest fitting size and have it tailored, it will still not fit–the neck will be too large or there will be a ton of material in the arm pit that’s left over and can’t be removed without destroying the shirt. My shopping mantra has become, “I hate my body.”

  22. I agree with little cabbage, and I don’t even have big tits! Ever since I blossomed into my body, acquired hips, ass, and a bigger bustline, nothing seems to fit. Having a boy’s figure was easier, because it seemed like all the clothes were tailored specifically for me.

  23. Saying that girls with a certain amount of body fat look utterly ridiculous, awful and unattractive when they squeeze themselves into too-tight, too-small clothes, allowing rolls of jiggly, soft fat to ooze out over their jeans or around their bra straps, or whatever, is no worse than saying girls who are short-waisted look like they’re standing in a hole if they wear certain clothes.

    Are you shitting me? One’s full of really strong values statements (“ridiculous, awful, and unattractive”) and the other one has a subjective but fairly values-neutral description (“look like they’re standing in a hole”). And unless, where you come from, there are a lot of cultural messages that nobody will ever love anyone who stands in a hole, I consider that a fairly clear difference.

    And anyone who thinks small women can’t have fat on their bellies obviously doesn’t know anything about how bodies work.

  24. Yet another odious fat woman hating article masquerading as concern that women don’t know how to buy clothes that fit. Each picture that they showed depicted women wearing clothes that fit – but they did show flesh.

    Why is it ok to wax lyrical over how ugly you find fleshy peope?

  25. Just wait one second here…

    I have not mocked fat women, nor do I hate them. That is an outright lie.

    I agree that the look defined in the article is unattractive. I think a woman of a certain size who wears properly fitting clothes can look beautiful and sexy, or beautiful and professional. I think that women who try to squeeze themselves into wearing something a few sizes too small look awful, and, as the article notes, and as one poster here notes, squeezing into the wrong size makes everyone look bad. It is however, a fashion issue that applies to overweight women more than thin women. That’s merely a fact.

    Then, I’m damned for not criticizing men, and then when I pick out a men’s fashion (if you can call it that) issue that I personally find equally unattractive, I’m damned all over again. And then damned again for not ripping on men’s body part issue as opposed to fashion faux-pas.

    My issue with this is turning it into some kind of politicized, feminist issue. It’s not. Everything in life is not some big, politicized, feminist issue.

    The splooge issue is merely today’s version of the old thong hangin’ out of the pants issue. That’s all it is. It’s not a drive to shame women of a certain size, it’s not anti-female. It’s a fucking fashion issue. It’s basically a Glamour Do/Don’t issue, and has no more import than any other picture in which the woman has a black bar over her eyes.

    Making anything more out of it is ridiculous.

    MAJeff, I find that hard to believe. My father, my brothers, my husband, my son all range from 6’3″ to 6’7″, and they all manage to find shirts that fit. Maybe you’re just not looking in the right stores. Sounds like you need a collegiate cut, so a store like J.Crew might be a good place to start. And, if all else fails, custom made shirts aren’t that expensive these days, either.

    For the record, I’m not unhappy. I’m not the one seeing this as some huge campaign of hatred against women. I think it’s an unattractive look. Among many other unattractive looks that weren’t addressed by the article. However, THIS is the one addressed by the article, so THIS is the one I commented on.

    If you want more, I think cargo pants are hideous on everyone. Same goes for cropped pants, which make everyone look like they’re standing in a hole, IMO. The Bermuda shorts trend – off limits unless you’re very, very tall and very, very thin and very, very young. Women my age who dress in clothes meant for women in their twenties? Ridiculous and ultimately aging. Those tube top it’s-a-mini-dress-it’s-a-top things? WTF? Ankle straps on shoes? Make everyone look like they have thick ankles. Bathing suits with that little shirred skirt thingy in front? Wouldn’t be caught dead in one. Anything from Orvis, Land’s End, LLBean or Eddie Bauer. Lily Pulitzer, unless you’re six years old. Castlebury Knits, unless you’re 60 years old. Anything cut across in a straight line across the bust, or cut off at the widest part of one’s body or one’s legs – totally unflattering. Those holiday theme sweaters with matching button covers? Omigod.

    And so on and so on and so on, and we all have our little lists, whether everyone admits it or not.

    If you don’t think I’m picking on men enough, I don’t know what to say – the men around here don’t give me a lot to work with. Men in general don’t have as much a range of fashion trends as women. Don’t like the pants halfway down the ass look, but I don’t see much of it anymore, either. Don’t like skinny black jeans – don’t really find myself all that attracted to very skinny men, either, though. Doesn’t mean I hate them. Just means I prefer something else.

  26. Thanks for telling me I just haven’t been looking hard enough. Yes, i’ve been to J. Crew…and Eddie Bauer and Land’s End and….They don’t make my size. I’m 6’5″ and I weigh 160#…they don’t make my size. Don’t try and tell me they do…I’ve bloody looked.

    I think what people have been reacting to, and what I find myself reacting to, is your condescension. We just don’t know enough and need you to enlighten us.

  27. MAJeff, I honestly don’t give a shit about your fucking shirt problem. It’s really not that big a deal in the big scheme of things. If that’s the biggest issue in your life, count yourself lucky.

    Well, fucking forgive me for agreeing with the article and not seeing it as a hate-piece.

    But then, I don’t have fucking fat rolls hanging off my body, so I guess it’s not my problem.

    Have a lovely day. Hope it’s not too hot where you are. Only thing worse than fat rolls are fat rolls with heat rash all over them.

  28. “Girls who need an eleven shouldn’t wear dresses like this!”

    Oh? Who says?

    For the record, I’m 6ft. If I lost that last 20lbs and got down to the weight I look best at (160lbs) I would still be a size 10. And I would look great. Not everyone is meant to be a size 0, even at rock bottom weight.

    For now, my biggest fashion issue is 1.) finding pants long enough and 2.) finding shirts that can contain my gargantuan boobs. I don’t like the giant T-shirt look, but women’s shirts tend to fit fine in the waist and super tight across the chest.

    PHLAF, what’s your size/body type? After reading your comments and your last outburst, now I’m curious.

  29. I’m with nmw… my fat is in my stomach… so if I wear pants that fit at my waist, my stomach will stick out a little. Its unavoidable.

    Yeah, me too. I gained twenty pounds last year, and it took me forever to notice because most of it settled in my stomach, ass, and thighs. Thing is, it’s really hard to find comfortable jeans that do not emphasize the fact that my stomach sticks out. All the stretch jeans I’ve come across are hip-huggers, and it’s harder to find shirts that drop below that. Gurgh.

  30. I wear low-rise jeans. Yes, my stomach (only my stomach) sticks out some. At 5’10” and 150 lbs, I don’t think I’m anywhere near overweight, but what fat I do have is on my stomach.

    My mom is constantly shaming me over the way I look in my clothes. Her latest is “you act like you don’t care how you look to others”. Well, no, I really don’t care if I fit my mom’s narrow little rules. PHLAF, I don’t care if I fit your rules, either.

    I wear the clothes that I like and that feel comfortable for me. I find standard to-the-waist rise jeans / pants very uncomfortable. And, living in a poorly air-conditioned house in Philly in the hot, humid summer, yes, I am going to show some belly sometimes, and I don’t give a s**t if other people don’t like it because it’s not a flat, model-perfect belly.

    There is an obsession with having perfect bodies in this country, and I think that both this article and PHLAF’s attitude come from that. Not just fat people suffer, but also those like me who are of so-called “normal” weight but not of a “perfect” body shape, whatever that is.

  31. I didn’t think the article was as bad as some of the fat-shaming stuff I’ve seen. Some of the people they quoted were clearly bigoted against fat women, but the overall point seemed to be that bigger women are more likely than smaller women to buy clothes that don’t fit because they’re made to feel ashamed about the size that actually does fit, not that it’s a worse transgression when they do so.

  32. Though I suspect some of you would laugh at me for worrying, I’m 5’5″ and weigh 118 lbs, and depending on how I am sitting and just where my weight is sitting on my body that moment (and I HATE that it moves around…), I can definitely have a bit of a tummy that isn’t too attractive.

    Something that doesn’t appear to be addressed in the article or in the comments – I have always found it to be very difficult to shop with other women, mostly because I know I am smaller and I have the more “ideal” body type (though I still don’t always find things that fit) and I don’t want to make anyone feel awkard. My sister-in-law is very tall and worries about her weight and clothing a lot, and I never know what to say or do because I don’t have the same sort of issues she does.

    So my question is: how can someone speak with or shop with someone without giving offense? I don’t want to blow off people’s comments, but I honestly don’t know what sort of feedback to give to people who have different body types.

  33. So my question is: how can someone speak with or shop with someone without giving offense? I don’t want to blow off people’s comments, but I honestly don’t know what sort of feedback to give to people who have different body types.

    “Hmm. That doesn’t flatter you. It’s pulling at X. Have you tried this?” And hand them either a larger size or a more appropriate cut.

  34. And when you write that article, Lynn, you can mention that it affects women of all sizes who wear non-breathable fabrics and too-tight pants, etc.

    But that wasn’t the article.

    Which was kind of my point. I have no problem with your discussing the problems of too-tight pants for whomever might happen to be wearing them (and as a skinny woman, I can say that there is no shortage of too-tight jeans available in my size). I just think it’s silly to tie that concern to a defense an article about fat woman looking ugly and choosing unflattering clothes.

    When you do that, it comes across as a really strained attempt to turn a beauty/fashion argument into a health one.

  35. But then, I don’t have fucking fat rolls hanging off my body, so I guess it’s not my problem.

    Have a lovely day. Hope it’s not too hot where you are. Only thing worse than fat rolls are fat rolls with heat rash all over them.

    Wow. This person doesn’t hate fat people at all. Not one little bit.

    Perhaps she’s just so terrified of gaining weight that this it what it comes down to. Taking your fear out on other people.

  36. Perhaps she’s just so terrified of gaining weight that this it what it comes down to. Taking your fear out on other people.

    I think you hit it on the head Natalia. Women especially are scared out of their minds of getting fat and are reminded daily of the punishment that will be eaked out on them should they ‘slip’.

    I have two daughters that I have seen and still see wearing this style of clothing. I hate it. Frankly, I await the day when a woman’s clothing decisions are generally respected, or better, ignored and cultivation of the individual inside the clothes takes on more importance.

    Until then, I celebrate large girls wearing these comical, cutesy clothes and splooging all over. Its a sort of ‘fuck you too’ to the fashion world and the fat haters. Let it hang out girls!

  37. And as for women’s clothes sizes, the fashion industry seems to be out to punish large women. Since I’ve gained weight, trying to find clothes that are reasonably priced and yet don’t make me look like a kindergarten teacher is a hard struggle.

    Even when I was of healthy weight, I lifted weights for awhile and I’d be damned if when I found a shirt that fit my size all around, the shoulders and back would be way too tight.

    As a carpenter/remodeler, I wear men’s carpenter pants and t-shirts and sweatshirts when I’m in the feild, or even at home at the office. I like the fact that men’s clothes are functional and comfortable. As a woman, you know, the fashion industry reminds that I must be on display for the pleasure of everyone’s judgement at every goddamned minute, never mind durability, comfort or functionality.

  38. These young girls are somehow incapable of accepting their own size for fear of being socially shunned, so they buy clothes in the sizes they “should” be. The result of which is, ironically, that they look worse than they could if they dressed in clothes that fit. This has got to be at odds with fitting in socially, yet they do it. There are some serious issues at play here.

    But instead of trying with sensitivity to analyze why a whole generation of girls is so ashamed of their body size to such extreme, the article instead decries…..

    All that BAD FASHION these fatties are offending us with!

    Forget any underlying issues, there are fat girls out there not only wanting to wear trendy clothing, but wearing it badly! Now that’s a big problem!

    Yeah, the article skims the underlying issues, but then refers to the girls as wearing “sausage casing”. (Which sort of just punctuates the kind of media message these girls get which may contribute to what they do, huh?)

    In my book, that’s just fat-bashing with window dressing.

  39. One more thing…

    I heard once that the fashion industry was one segment of the market that did not respond to consumer demand in the usual sense. Most markets will respond to demand with more production (if there are lots of people who need pencils, more pencil-makers will crop up). But with the fashion industry, there is a reluctance to make clothes in larger sizes for women DESPITE the consumer demand.

  40. Wow. PHLAF’s comments are bringing me right back to the hellish years of middle school.

    Tonight I wore hip-hugger jeans (because I am very short-waisted and have a fat stomach, and they’re the only cut that’s comfortable) and a t-shirt that’s a little short and snug (because it was the only size I could fit in, and I had to have this shirt). Maybe my belly was sticking out a little. Maybe my back was exposed, showing off creamy fat skin. But you know what? I don’t care. I would rather dress to feel good, and to please myself, than to please some amorphous fat-shaming other.

    And I don’t have heat rash on my rolls either. 😀

  41. “…..this is the only type of clothing available….” Bingo! I have been shopping with my 20something daughter for years in Gap, Crew….does someone want to point me to the Plus Size Teen Department? Oh you can’t can you because it doesn’t exist. These girls have no choice because the clothing industry doesn’t give them one (on top of which the cheaper the clothes the smaller the cut, the more they shrink when washed-so if your a poor large size girl forget it.)

    This article isn’t just Fat Hating and sexist, it’s racist and classist as well. We know that we live in a time where thin and toned takes money, time and access to health clubs (try jogging in an inner city crime filled neighborhood). So it isn’t surprising that weight goes with poverty since poor people can’t afford fresh fruits, veggies and meats-are too busy working to work out at the gym (if they had the money to afford the gym).

    But you know PHLAF, LA Times and all the like minded forget about all I just said because it doesn’t matter. The important point is WHY THE HELL DO YOU CARE HOW OTHER PEOPLE DRESS AND LOOK? WHO ARE YOU OR THE LA TIMES TO JUDGE? No one is on this planet to make it aesthetically pleasing for you! People are NOTdecorative objects in YOUR Universe! If you don’t like how they look, look away.
    Myself I’d rather have a big ass than a small mind any day.

  42. I have been plus-sized for most of my adult life and have even worked at a plus sized store. It drives me crazy to see a larger woman squeezing herself into clothes that are too tight when there are options to finding trendy size-appropriate clothes.

    When I worked in retail, women/girls would often come into the store thinking they were a certain size, would try it on and come out of the dressing room looking a mess. Our manager stressed to us to encourage people to wear the size that fit the best, as they were the best advertisement for our store. When we would gently steer women who insisted on wearing the wrong size to a larger size and they usually ended up looking much better and feeling much better when they left the store.

    I understand the pressure to “look good”, and that can be a challenge when you are a larger size, but it is not impossible. In the last 10 years the plus-sized industry has done a great job of responding to trends – Lane Bryant, Ashley Stuart, Torrid, some department stores (H&M!), and several on-line shops have trendy clothing for larger sized women.

    It is not necessary nor is it a strong feminist statement for women to go around wearing ill-fitting clothes.

  43. I’m jumping in late, but I wanted to add that this article opened my eyes. I was always one of those people who sneered “why can’t you just wear clothes that fit?” without realizing that, well, sometimes there just aren’t clothes that fit available. I’m lucky to be a) fairly petite and b) middle class, meaning I can go from store to store and try stuff on, and if it doesn’t fit well or look right, I can just buy it somewhere else. If Forever 21 is all you can afford, well, you’re kind of stuck.

    That said, I still maintain that the skintight, skimpy look is unattractive on pretty much everyone. But that’s just an aesthetic preference.

    Somewhat releated: I keep seeing women, many dressed in the styles described in the article, wearing t-shirts that say things like “Princess” or “Spoiled.” Now, putting a five year old in a princess shirt could be cute (maybe?), but a 25 year old woman? Any ideas on this phenomenon?

  44. the reason fat people are more likely to be seen wearing clothes that don’t fit is that it is harder to tailor clothes to a curvy body, hence there are very few curvy clothes on the market. I see fat women who look terrible in their clothes all the time, but I am a dressmaker. I frequently know what the trouble is and I know the kind of tailoring that would be required to make that article of clothing look good on that body. In fact, I recommend that everyone learn a little about dressmaking. It will help you understand if a particular bulge or gap is fixable (in the clothing, that is). It’s actually amazing what good tailoring can do for a body. I wore uniforms to high school. the maker of the shirts for these uniforms was somehow unaware that teenage girls have breasts, and they had no darts. Girls with big boobs wore big shirts which then bagged at the waist and made them look shapeless. Girls with small boobs looked shapeless, too, but there was less fabric hanging around so the effect was not as pronounced. Anyway, one girl showed up at graduation in a really well fitted dress and turned out to be shaped like Marilyn Monroe. 4 years of high school, no one ever noticed b/c of the baggy shirt.

    The problem is that one cannot simply size up an article of clothing to fit it to a larger body. Men’s and women’s bodies both get curvier as they put on weight. Larger sizes require curved seams, darts, extra panels, etc. Most of this has to be done at the front end in the pattern design. it is expensive to put these extra details in, so it is not done – especially for cheaper clothing lines. the patterns are designed too straight for the bodies they are meant to fit, and the person who buys them ends up looking shabby.

    there is a definate limit to what back end tailoring can do. If the pattern is made to fit a body with no waist, tailoring the garment to fit a body with a waist can be more work than making the garment in the first place. it also requires either the time and skill to do it yourself or the money to have it done.

    women totally get shafted by clothing sizing. men can buy dress shirts in just about any store in the US by neck size and sleeve length, and women can only buy shirts in S, M, and L (or 2, 4, 6, etc). men’s pants are sold by inseam and waist size, but women’s pants are sold in S, M, and L. sometimes they are sold in short, average, and long, too, but that’s not nearly as good as 2 in granularity that men get. The only women’s clothing which is routinly sold by two measurements instead of one is bras, and those need at least 37 measurements to fit correctly.

  45. frumious: yes on the tailoring/altering issue. There’s nothing worse than being told (a la What Not to Wear) that you should buy jackets to fit your bust and have them tailored. I’m a little woman (5′ 5″) who is reasonably slim (130) but I’ve got boobs. Taking this advice would mean buying size 12 jackets and then altering the backs and shoulders down to a 6 or a 4.

    So I buy size 6’s, and wear the jackets open.

  46. I loved this:

    Until then, I celebrate large girls wearing these comical, cutesy clothes and splooging all over. Its a sort of ‘fuck you too’ to the fashion world and the fat haters. Let it hang out girls!

    That other woman was a collaborator, as if we’re all standing in line to join her club. Fuck the bourgeoisie!

  47. Parts of this article really bugged me, but overall, the message seems to be, simply: American girls are bigger and they want to still shop in the “juniors” section. We either need to magically increase the self-esteem of teenagers so that they won’t hate shopping for larger sizes in “women’s” OR take the much more logical approach,(in my opinion), and MAKE LARGER SIZES available in the “teen” section.

    Again, I was definitely given a bad taste in my mouth while reading the article, but it DID elaborate on how few women fit the hourglass “ideal” that clothesmakers use, and how very hard it is for teenagers in particular to be fashionable and wear these fashions well when they were absolutely not designed for anyone who is not very tall and very thin. As an adult, it’s a bit easier for me to just poo-poo the trends and wear what I think looks best, but I do live in LA, and I do think there is a lot of pressure on young girls to wear what’s trendy, not what’s comfortable.

  48. Also, I don’t know if this has been mentioned, but the article shows a picture of a “proud” fat woman, age 26, who talks about how she’s proud of looking good and likes wearing cute clothes that fit her. The picture has her wearing a form-fitting tank top and jeans. The message, again, seems not so much to be, “don’t wear revealing clothing, fatties” but “wear clothes that fit you.”

    Two of the boys interviewed are assholes that say fat women are “disgusting,” sure. But that doesn’t seem to be the trend of the article other than those two boys.

  49. Right. So I should’ve gone to check out the internet version of the article posted, which of course, is slightly different from the printed version.

    The last picture, the one of the “looks fat” thin girl, was not in the printed article. Also, the second picture that shows the FACE of the woman, is supposed to be an example of a fat girl who is wearing clothes that FIT her. Of course, it’s impossible to tell in the internet article, because they just shove all the accompanying pictures to the side and let YOU figure it out.

    LA Times online is awful. This happens all the time.

  50. Um, if they’re actually designing for the hourglass figure, I will eat my hat. I have an hourglass figure, which is nearly impossible to clothe in the current fashion market.

    My sister, who dances 6-7 days out of the week – she can find clothing. Lots of clothing, if her closet is any indication. Because she’s tall, thin, and leggy, with not an ounce of fat anywhere on her body. And that’s what they’re designing for.

    Hourglass figures my ass. When I go shopping, I’m lucky if I can find one style of pants that fits, and maybe two dresses.

  51. My closet includes clothes ranging from a size 4 all the way up to a size 10.

    Wow. All the way up to, hunh? Enormous. Shocking.

    And unless, where you come from, there are a lot of cultural messages that nobody will ever love anyone who stands in a hole, I consider that a fairly clear difference.

    Okay, that was hilarious.

  52. I’m a 28-yr-old obese woman and I gotta say (flame away!) I agree with a lot of PHLAF’s points.

    I realize the lower-rise jeans are more comfortable – I wear ’em too. But I also wear a top that covers the skin between because I know that showing that muffin top (or, in my case, a dozen muffins! 🙂 ) is simply not flattering. It makes a woman – no matter if she’s a size 2 or a size 32 – look larger than she is because that “splooge” of skin and fat makes it look like her clothing does not fit.

    I’m all about women embracing their bodies and feeling comfortable – love your body, but dress it in a flattering way. This doesn’t mean mumus and tents, seriously. But draw attention to your assets – maybe it’s your face, your smile, your chest, that narrow part of your torso below your breasts. It’s not about making people who mock us more comfortable, it’s about dressing your body in a way that makes it look long and lean and gorgeous. The stuff is out there. Any woman who is not that “normal type” – whether she be too tall, too wide, too petite, whatever – will have to work harder. This is an unfortunate reality. I try on at least five times the amount of clothing than I acutally buy. I scour Lane Bryant, Avenue and the internet and I own a TON of clothing that fits me well and is flattering.

    I’ve been fat my entire life and I wince when I walk down the street and see the muffin top. I don’t wince because it’s fat (hello kettle, this is pot), I wince because I know that woman could dress herself in a way that would look so much better, would garner compliments, and would make her feel better.

    Maybe it’s just that I watch too much What Not to Wear or am simply uncomfortable with showing my flab to the world. This is true. But I guess I just don’t understand why anyone would choose to dress in a way that is unflattering. If this is okay, why don’t we all go back to tapered-leg acid-washed jeans and huge shoulder pads? We all know THAT totally worked. 🙂

  53. I don’t consider myself fat at all, but I do have fat on my body, as do most healthy people, and I have the muffin-top problem. Here’s the thing. Until last year or so, it was not that easy to find t-shirts that were long enough to wear with low-rise pants and not expose ugly flesh. It was also not that easy to find medium-rise pants. Clothes-designers have apparently realized in the past year or so that many women do not look like 16-year-old models and don’t want to flash their tummies at regular intervals, which is great. But I can’t afford to replace all my shirts and/or jeans every year. And therefore I probably do the occasional muffin-top thing. If it offends you, I apologize. Why don’t you call Stacy and Clinton for me and ask them to give me a $5000 American Express card with my name on it?

  54. This is sort of tangential and unimportant, but I felt the need to comment on:

    “This is not a problem thin women have, so to say that the article should have addressed thin women, too, is ridiculous.”

    This is just wrong. I have seen many a thin woman (well, I just finished high school, so mostly thin girls) wearing jeans far too small that distorted her body shape. I for a long time could not figure out why this was, though a commentor above mentioned it happens to her because her fat is in her stomach… this probably is the case a lot of the time, and makes sense compared to my own experience of having the opposite problem (pants with waaaay too much room around the waist because all my fat is in my butt. No, all of it–my butt is six inches bigger than my bust, and I have a size-4-or-6 frame overall (usually, depending on the cut), so it is way noticeable. I don’t mind it aesthetically, but practically it makes pants-shopping difficult).

  55. Anyone who can refer to another person’s body as “splooge” needs to grow the fuck up.

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