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L.A. Cancels Bikini Contest for the Kitties

What a stupid idea.

Since taking office last summer, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa has urged his employees to be creative and think outside the box.

Taking that advice to heart, the chief of the Los Angeles Animal Services Department paired with a Hooters restaurant in Hollywood for a bikini contest to raise money for city neutering and spaying programs.

But the howls of protests that greeted animal services chief Ed Boks’ fundraising plan forced him to reconsider. On Tuesday afternoon, he canceled the city’s role in the contest.

LA does have a problem with animals — they euthanize about 19,500 animals a year. That number would be much, much lower if people spayed and neutered their pets. But using half-naked chicks as bait to promote an otherwise worth-while cause? No thanks.

As a disgusting side note (stop reading now if you’d prefer to remain in the dark about the meat you eat — really), a few days ago I was watching a show on Greek TV about the American meat and fast food industry, and they showed all the stuff that U.S. television typically won’t — slaughterhouses, pigs twitching as they bled to death, the horrendous conditions that these animals live in, etc. It was sort of like a PETA brochure in motion, except even more disgusting. I had to turn the channel after a few minutes, but I did catch a piece where they interviewed a former cattle rancher about beef industry practices. He was talking about how they feed cattle all kinds of antibiotics to increase their growth, and how they also feed them all kinds of animal by-products, because meat fattens up the cows faster than grass. In addition to other cows, he casually mentioned that they also feed the cattle ground-up dogs, cats, roadkill, etc — and that euthanized animals from Los Angeles contribute quite a bit to the cows’ diet, because they’re plentiful and cheap.

I almost puked, too, and I’m seriously considering a return to vegetarianism — and barring that, I am now only buying beef from free-range cattle who only ate grass. Bon apetit.


52 thoughts on L.A. Cancels Bikini Contest for the Kitties

  1. I became a vegan upon learning that the way to keep dairy cows producing is to (almost) continually keep them pregnant. The calves borne of such practice are then auctioned off to the veal industry.

  2. Also, also: in the last few months, there was an article in the NY Times about a scientific study that found that the hormones that are fed to cattle and appear in milk are causing higher incidences of twins. This is in women who become pregnant and who are not taking fertility drugs.

  3. It’s terrible and disgusting and inhumane, but what can you do? Not everyone has the means to eat free-range this and organic that. Still, if you can, more power to ya.

  4. It’s terrible and disgusting and inhumane, but what can you do? Not everyone has the means to eat free-range this and organic that. Still, if you can, more power to ya.

    Yeah, that’s my problem — definitely can’t afford to shop at Whole Foods every day. So I’m leaning toward the stop-eating-meat thing.

  5. I read that too on the BBC, dharma. Scary isn’t it?

    I’m in my 8th year of vegetarianism, struggling with my cheese-addiction to go full-vegan. God I love cheese, but I know how evil the dairy industry is. I have managed to stop drinking milk and eating eggs, though. Cheese is the last one to go, as they haven’t made a decent nondairy cheese yet. Sorbet can replace icecream, anyway, and I prefer dark chocolate to milk chocolate.

    I’m reading The Sexual Politics of Meat at the moment… it’s rather interesting, though I find I’m not really “getting” her writing style. I just thought of that with the way your post has both “consumed” bikini-girls in LA and the consuming of meat… though, mind you, it’s too early in the morning and I’ve had to little sleep to say anything intelligent.

  6. Jill – vegan/vegetarianism is wonderfully, wonderfully cheap. Chili with TVP is so easy and cheap, for instance, because TVP is incredibly cheap. Ditto that tacos with TVP, or Bolognese with TVP… ok I live on TVP, I’m a student and it’s cheap and easy to add to anything. I’m pretty jealous of you being in Greece right now, tbh. All those wonderful mediteranian foods…

  7. All that and more is in Fast Food Nation. While farm raised meat still has to, you know, die, before you can eat it, industrialized meat production is appalling. I’ve hunted big game and have seen how quickly and painlessly large animals can die. There really isn’t any excuse for raising and killing animals the way factories do. I don’t have moral quandaries about actually consuming meat, but I do try my best to avoid all factory-raised meat. I actually have a local butcher that selects, buys and processes farm-raised pigs, and I buy from him almost all the time. I can’t remember the last time I bought meat from a grocery store.

  8. Jill – vegan/vegetarianism is wonderfully, wonderfully cheap. Chili with TVP is so easy and cheap, for instance, because TVP is incredibly cheap. Ditto that tacos with TVP, or Bolognese with TVP… ok I live on TVP, I’m a student and it’s cheap and easy to add to anything. I’m pretty jealous of you being in Greece right now, tbh. All those wonderful mediteranian foods…

    I second this. Dry beans, pulses, and rice are incredibly cheap and yet provide an abundance of protein.

  9. Oh, and Jill, ditch Whole Foods if you can. There’s got to be farmer’s markets, co-ops, or community supported agriculture farms in your area. Often, if they don’t actually have farm-raised meat, they know where you find it. If you have a freezer you can generally get whole sides of beef, etc at wholesale price.

  10. Jill – vegan/vegetarianism is wonderfully, wonderfully cheap.

    Yeah, I was a vegetarian for 10 years, and still live on a mostly-veg diet. I eat a steak once or twice a month, and if I go out to eat I almost always order fish, but that’s about it. At home it’s almost always vegetarian pasta. It is much cheaper than buying meat every day — and a lot easier. Part of the problem for me, though, is that I wasn’t getting nearly enough protein, and was bad about eating lots of beans and other protein-rich vegetarian food. Plus I survived almost entirely off of carbohydrates, which left me a little heavier than I should have been, and generally just lethargic. Of course, I still survive almost entirely off of carbohydrates, so carnivorism didn’t exactly cure that one.

    And the Mediterranean diet is wonderful. It’s the fish I really can’t give up.

    Re: Whole Foods — I do try and avoid it, mostly because I can’t afford it (and like you said, the local farmer’s markets are a lot better). But Whole Foods is the only place around that carries Bufala Mozarella, so I go just for that.

  11. Other problem: I’m a foodie to the max. And while tasty vegetarian food does exist, it’s definitely a challenge to find really good vegan food. And incredibly delicious things are made with meat that just can’t be duplicated. I’m not sure that I could, for example, give up sushi or steak frites or carpaccio. They’re just too good. (This is obviously a very selfish reason to be a carnivore).

  12. Hmm. I suppose folks would call me a foodie (I hate the word) and I’ve been a vegetarian forever (and was a vegan for 7 years — the glorious cheeses of France killed that, but I still won’t eat eggs). I don’t miss meat at all. I cook both simply and elaborately at home, and eat out anywhere from noodle joints to Per Se. My vegetarianism has never tripped me up. But you’re right that there is no one-to-one exchange for something like carpaccio. I just wanted to point out that there is no reason on Earth (or in France) that one must forsake foodiedom when one becomes a vegetarian. (And remember to eat at Charlie Trotter’s and Per Se when you become a rich lawyer — both are absurdly elegant fine cuisine and both offer full vegetarian chef’s menus.) 🙂

  13. well,i don’t know if going vegan or veg is the best as a political option,the industry is not gonna change its ways for a small percentage of the population (let’s be honest,an overwhelming majority of people in the states,let alone the rest of the world,can’t afford non-industrial food).i believe we need to change the laws to make the process humane,painless,and biologically safe,i still remember the mad cows crisis is europe.wich change the laws, so is ilegal to feed ground up animal material to the cows now.
    you can allways go to your closest producer and buy directly from them.that is if you live close to one i know….
    now, if your reasons are based on health,there is just so much you can get with a good vegan diet,i have some vegan and veg friends and they all tell me that.i don’t see why meat and milk are per se bad for you if obtained the right way

    so maybe the fact that i was raised in a country in the mediterraneo where food is way more than a way to survive,makes me bias.but food is culture,is cultural identity,is a way to interact socially,is instant happiness on a plate,taste matters,texture matters,diversity is nature’s wealth,and diversity is what our body needs to thrive.

    i guess what i’m saying is try to be balance with your political believes and with the culture of feeding yourself with a rich,diverse diet and don’t give up any of them that easy.
    sex and food-pleasure are something our bodies are design for and culturally we are puting them on a shelf for storage….

  14. I have been a vegetarian for a while, have tried and failed again and again to go “full vegan.” And yes, once every once in a while I have a big fall with a carne asada burrito or Thanksgiving turkey. It isn’t easy. Frankly, my vegetarianism is linked both to my love for animals and a kind of deep-seated Puritanism. Do I want to eat meat? Frequently.

    As for the Hooters fiasco in Los Angeles, I’m frustrated. I am absolutely, totally, committed to spaying-neutering and to saving animal lives. I support no-kill shelter policies. But one of the reasons I had to turn away from PETA (not the only reason) was their willingness to use women’s sexuality to get the message across. I want my animal friends alive, safe, comfortable, and, in most cases, sterile. But I’m not willing to get on the backs — or breasts — of women.

  15. But I’m not willing to get on the backs — or breasts — of women.

    My bad. I meant: “I’m not willing to accomplish the goal of saving animal lives by exploiting women.”

  16. Going vegan or veg as a political option doesn’t necessarily mean you believe you can enact change; moral and ethical beliefs are also inherently political. And what is “non-industrial food?” Going veg or vegan doesn’t mean not eating food from the US or Canada.

    And the argument that you can only get so much from a vegan or veg diet is such utter bullshit. Of course a vegan diet lacks in certain B vitamins only found in animal products and thus one must take supplements. But also consider that humans evolved under, and many continue to live in, conditions of scarcity. Only in modern times can large numbers of people anywhere eat varied diets rich in all available nutrients. Not to mention you’re implying there are right and wrong ways to eat, which ironically sounds like militant veganist-speak.

    And implying vegans don’t eat for pleasure? That they don’t get recognize food as culture and identity and are unable to enjoy variety and texture? Utter bullshit. I enjoy a rich, varied, and textured diet. That I don’t get to enjoy foie gras once in awhile does not speak less of me as a person. Not to mention I’ve read the Raw and the Cooked.

  17. definitely can’t afford to shop at Whole Foods every day

    Not to mention Whole Food’s labor practices. They don’t seem to be the best company to support overall.

    There’s also nothing wrong with being 95% vegetarian and occasionally indulging in sushi, etc. It keeps your consumption (and therefore contribution to the production pressure) down and makes more money available to buy the good stuff (grass fed, free range, etc) when you do want it.

    I’ve been vegetarian since I had the surgery rotation in med school. At that time I found out that burning meat smells like burning meat, whether it is human or other animal. Squick. Your statements about what cows eat confirms it.

  18. Em – agreed about Fast Food Nation. I’m damn lucky I’d already been veg about 5 years when I picked up a copy, or I’d have hurled. Even my occasional-carnivore partner hasn’t set food in a McD’s/Burger King/whathaveyou since he read it years ago.

    Ack – agreed about all the nutritional arguments people make against veg*ns. Your argument is actually pretty close to one I’m reading atm that suggests our meat-centric culture is implicitly racist because it denigrates other, less meat-centric cultures’ food choices and protein sources.

  19. That I don’t get to enjoy foie gras once in awhile does not speak less of me as a person.

    No.by any means my comment tried to imply that,nor any critique on vegans.i’ve thought about going in that direction myself a couple of times.
    i believe that everybody have the right to choose their own diet.it’s your personal option.

    what i wanted to imply is that it’s becoming hard to eat healthy and not become vegan and/or spend a lot of money doing so.because the laws of the market, now it’s way more expensive organic food that process food.and people are starting to cook only with their microwaves.
    and as you said some diets need suplements.i don’t regard them as food.

    all i’m saying is let’s try to change they way it works now to a more organic way.to a way milk is not provided by hormone and antibiotic-injected cows.and animals are not treated in ways regardless of their pain,and my veggies don’t carry a manufactured genetic code,etc
    and then every personal option will be that.personal.

  20. Veganism doesn’t mean you eat only organic food and not processed foods.

    And actually, organic foods are becoming increasingly available and less expensive as Agribusiness has started discovering this “market.” However, this also means that the definition of organic, thanks to who controls the market and legislation, is changing. The label of organic on a carton of milk doesn’t necessarily mean what people think it means.

    BTW, it’s actually rather inexpensive to eat vegan. Dry beans are extremely cheap, filling, and packed with protein, energy and fiber. Fresh fruits and vegetables are always available at low cost. And when I say inexpensive that is even considering Americans, in comparison to every other country, spend a much smaller proportion of their income (let alone time) on the food eat. This is interesting not only culturally, but also in terms of market efficiencies and the fact that Americans eat more calories per capita than any other nation.

    And I should have corrected myself — there is no one diet that supplies all the nutrients you need every single day. Everyone should take vitamin supplements.

  21. Fresh fruits and vegetables are always available at low cost.

    Well, that depends on where you live. Inner-city areas where people rely on bodegas often have limited produce options at higher prices than supermarkets in wealthier neighborhoods.

    And Jill, Jill, Jill. Bufala mozzarella is out there. Have you not tried Murray’s Cheese Shop? Any random Italian market?

  22. Dianne’s comment — about indulging in meat/fish on occasion — reminded me of the best term: flexitarian. Because it’s always easier to explain “well I usually eat vegetarian, but every once in a while I’ll eat meat or fish” with a made up word.

    And it’s really not that much more expensive to eat organic, especially when you have access to farmers’ markets, where you can ask the farmer directly whether they use pesticides/herbicides (because many farmers practice basically organic farming methods, but don’t spend the money/time on the USDA seal). Although really, even if you aren’t buying organic, buying local produce is a huge plus (nutritionally & to support farms).

  23. I’m of the opinion that local and non-organic is better than non-local and organic, in terms of local economy, small farm support, and conservation of energy if your groceries travelled fewer miles to your door. However, I don’t have any studies to back this up. Just a pure opinion.

  24. I know, Arianna; the cheese-crack monkey is on me and Karma June’s back (KJ=girlfriend). I aspire to veganism. No, actually, I aspire to be a vegan who listens to “Stupid Fucking Vegans” by the Queers; then I would feel balanced.

    We both went vegetarian as a result of Fast Food Nation and Michael Pollan’s series on factory farms that was in the NY Times a couple of years ago. He also had a recent article on agribusiness discovering the organic market.

    And I think it is more costly in the short run to eat organic and local–they’re not subsidized the way the corn market is. It’s not in the long run, in terms of health or Earthhealth. But I watched my single mother struggle with time, money and food; Whole Food and the Union Square Farmer’s market just aren’t options for everyone.

  25. I’ve always been a huge fan or meat, especially beef, but about 4 or 5 months back a saw a local public access video of uncover factory stuff involving gestations crates for pigs, veal practices and chicken crating that really stuck with me as to the cruelty of some of the factory workers.

    Now, I’m not one to be easily swayed by propaganda materials or supposed propaganda videos, but I couldn’t deny the suffering of these animals. Especially this one pig that they showe. I won’t go into details, but let’s just say the animal was still alive when it was being skinned after the inhumane attempts of killing it by the factory workers.

    I believe that meat is an important part of a person’s everyday diet, so I haven’t ruled it out completely but after watching two of those videos (and crying through them) I made the conscience decision to cut back on the amount of meat that eat. I now only eat meat once a day, usually for dinner. Making this change wasn’t nearly as difficult as I imagined and it has introduced me to many foods that I had never eaten as well as helping me get reacquainted with some older foods I had not eaten in awhile.

    After reading what was posted above, it makes me feel better morally knowing that I’m not contributing to the industry as much anymore. Also, I try to find range free products as well.

  26. Schlosser’s Fast Food Nation also made a heavy point of the human cost. Food service work, from the slaughterhouse right down to the drive-through lane, is commonly dangerous, demeaning, underpaid, and uninsured. It’s big business at its best–consistently choosing the lowest-cost, worst-for-your-health alternative so they can make another 1/4 of a penny on each share of stock.

  27. Can I (slightly) defend the bikini contest here? I realize that Hooters doesn’t exactly carry a message of female empowerment, but the fact of the matter is, these places exist and will exist for the foreseeable future, and the fact that men will spend plenty of money when scantily-clad women are in the vicinity means that being “pure” about this issue could sacrifice an effective tool to raise money for good causes.

    Further, the sexism in a bikini contest is actually pretty mild compared to what else is out there. For heaven’s sakes, you can see just as much skin at any public beach in the greater Los Angeles area this time of year. And the LA area must have over 100 strip bars when patrons can see naked women up close and get lap dances which are very close to acts of prostitution.

  28. Jill –

    Thanks for this. Despicable idea – I’m with Hugo’s stance. I vehemently support spay/neuter programs, but not at the cost of exploiting women.

    Also – you’re a New Yorker right now… you could visit the place where I volunteer every weekend –
    http://www.casanctuary.org. Working with farm animals up close and personal can give you a whole new idea about what you’re putting in your mouth. Presently, we have a piglet named Franklin who plays very much like a puppy would. He’s adorable, bright, frisky, and hilarious. He’s also a meat pig. I’m not yet a vegan, but I’ve been a vegetarian for almost 20 years. I would be happy to give you a tour around the place – or you could visit the Woodstock sanctuary (http://www.woodstockfas.org/) or Farm Sanctuary in Glens Falls (http://www.farmsanctuary.org/).

    Not trying to turn your post into a promotional event for my personal cause… I just think you might like to meet the critters. Thank you for bringing attention to this topic.

  29. Although ideologically my partner and I would prefer to be vegetarian, even vegan, it’s not strictly for the sake of animals. I see nothing immoral or unethical about killing an animal to eat meat if you’re an omnivore, after all, and I’m not going to work myself into guilt fugues over it. That said, I hunt, fish, and was raised on a family grange that once in a while had an animal on it, I can’t abide by causing undue suffering. It’s disrespectful if nothing else. We’ve grown so picky about what meat we’ll eat, even though we’re incredibly fortunate living in a part of the country with numerous small, local organic and otherwise good farms, we just don’t end up eating meat much. Fish is a little bit easier, but we refuse to eat most farmed fish for various reasons namely destruction of the ecosystem and won’t eat any fish being overfished. Between our rice cooker producing oat groat porridges at breakfast, hummus and pitas for lunches, and again with the rice cooker making something whole grain to go with our beans at dinner, we barely eat meat at all. It snuck up on us after numerous failed deliberate attempts to go vegetarian. I suspect, if I weren’t actively craving protein due to the pregnancy, we’d be meat free. As it is, I usually substitute more beans, yogurt, or eggs just because meat is a hassle to cook. Guess that makes me flexitarian?

  30. Just keep in mind that when someone goes out to make video (or pamphlet or TV program) about meat production they usually have an agenda.

    Sometimes this means that they seek out the worst images they can find. Sometimes it means that they leave out the explanations.

  31. You know, when I first read “bikini contest for the kitties”, I actually thought it meant the cats would be wearing the bikinis.

  32. Yeah, I did too, Thalia.

    It’s interesting to hear that others share my love of cheese. I’m not looking to give it up, though. Heck, I don’t get to eat nearly as much of it as I would like!

  33. You know, when I first read “bikini contest for the kitties”, I actually thought it meant the cats would be wearing the bikinis.

    Me three. And then I was all, “Oversensitive animal-rights assholes! Spoil all my fun!”

    So, now that Ed Boks has been hung out to dry, when can we expect mass protests of PETA?

  34. I was a vegetarian for about 10 years, but when I had to go on medication I got really sick until I started eating meat again. Now I eat meat maybe 4 times a week (and I do try to make sure it’s as ethical as possible), and feel much better.

  35. I know there’s no reason for anyone to believe me about this statement, but i just wanted to say that the whole ‘pigs twitching as they bled to death’ thing means that they have been stunned into unconsciousness and though it looks really, really gross, is as painless as a death can be. I have this on first-hand knowledge as my uncle works at an abbatoir in the UK and i have been there on many occasions (including when they were killing pigs and asked about this myself as it looked so bad). This isn’t to say that cruel things don’t happen in the meat industry, just that in this case it looks more painful than it is.

  36. I started down the path to vegetarianism after dissecting a chicken leg in 7th grade to learn about human anatomy (“you see, class, the chicken’s tendons work just like yours”). That was a bit too direct a comparison for me. A human nutrition class in college cinched it – my professor detailed out precisely how misguided USDA dietary guidelines are (including the massively inflated protein recommendation) and then gave us a paper’s worth of footnotes showing how each was linked to specific food industry PR campaigns. She did say it was helpful to stave off eye problems in later life by eating fish twice a year.

    I’ll have to play killjoy for the squeamish cheese-eating vegetarians: unless it’s explicitly labeled otherwise, most cheese contains rennet, which is extracted from a mucus membrane lining cows’ stomachs. Unfortunately that means most of the cheese that are worth eating – and pretty much anything from France. Also, most vitamins and medications are derived from animal products (especially alarming if theories about Mad Cow being transmitted through protein prions are true – they can’t be pasteurized) and lots of totally irrelevant products are processed using animal products – like wine and white sugar. Personally, I think it’s pretty much impossible to avoid animal products altogether (I’m not one to strive for perfection), but it is alarming how many byproducts are stealthed into our food.

    I know better than to proselytize about vegetarianism to meat eaters, but the most convincing argument for me (which I haven’t read so far) is environmental. It takes many times more energy to produce x amount of nutrition from meat than it does from vegetables, and along the way farms contribute a huge portion of our country’s pollution.

  37. it is possible to eat a balanced diet with all required nutrients* without exceeding one’s daily caloric recommendations. Try playing the Nutrition Analysis Tool from UIUC for a while. Access to fresh fruits and vegetables is not required – canned and frozen have similar nutrient content.

    I certainly support ethical eating. I try to do it myself. What makes the most sense in terms of being an ethical consumer is not just to boycott the producers who you consider to be unethical, but to actively support ethical producers.

    *except vegans who need a B12 supplement

  38. I’m of the opinion that local and non-organic is better than non-local and organic, in terms of local economy, small farm support, and conservation of energy if your groceries travelled fewer miles to your door. However, I don’t have any studies to back this up. Just a pure opinion.

    I tend to agree. The amount of bullshit that goes into getting a pint of organic strawberries from California to Victoria BC doesn’t make up for the amount of bullshit that goes into producing (non-organic) strawberries locally. If we all ate such that 75% or 90% or whatever of our diet came from within 100 or 200 miles of where we live, we’d all be better off.

  39. Other Ryan, I’ve heard conversely that the carb recommendations in the food pyramid were grossly inflated. Six rolls of bread a day? Eek.

    And I do believe they can produce rennet from vegetables, and artificially, although it isn’t always labelled as such.

  40. Yeah, all of you vegans and vegitarians keep talking about how great and cheap your lifestyles are, and how great the food tastes.

    Except: it’s not. I’m going to say right now: I was raised on meat & potatoes diet: vegies suck. A lot. They taste HORRIBLE, completely flavorless or too bitter. And it takes a lot of time to learn how to prepare vegies in a non-sucking way: all of my recipies I learned growing up have, at the very least, butter. And then it takes more time to make stir-fry than throw a hot-pocket in the microwave.

    I’m all for humane treatment of animals: I wish the industry for instance would shoot the cows as opposed to bean them over the head with a hammer. But I’ve got to say: I will never go vegan, and I don’t think your going to be able to convince a significant number of people to do so.

    And the Hooters-thing was icky.

  41. especially alarming if theories about Mad Cow being transmitted through protein prions are true – they can’t be pasteurized

    That’s ok. Prions aren’t destroyed by pasturization anyway. Autoclaving and concentrated bleach are about the only things that kill them off.

  42. Except: it’s not. I’m going to say right now: I was raised on meat & potatoes diet: vegies suck. A lot. They taste HORRIBLE, completely flavorless or too bitter. And it takes a lot of time to learn how to prepare vegies in a non-sucking way: all of my recipies I learned growing up have, at the very least, butter. And then it takes more time to make stir-fry than throw a hot-pocket in the microwave.

    I know you don’t need to hear any more preaching, and I know you’re probably perfectly capable of planning and preparing your own meals, but I have to disagree.

    I was raised on a meat-and-potatoes diet, too, and didn’t particularly like vegetables or vegetable products because they were either in pasta sauce or thawed with butter. I learned better when I started eating foods cooked by people who were not meat-and-potatoes-centric. Vegetarian food that attempts to pose as meat and starch (like the tofu burritos I had at a coop*) tends to be either boring or awful. Vegetarian food that doesn’t is delicious. There are a lot of people who don’t eat meat or much meat, and they’ve had much more practice in figuring out how best to use vegetables.

    *Meat and potatoes cook, bless her heart.

  43. i remember (when i was a kid) stoping by a farm (small family own) every sunday in our way back home from the country weekly trip,and buy the eggs for the week there,i remember going with my mother to buy the milk to a place across street la vaqueria (a little place with three cows) and stare at the cows giving milk,and going every week to the fresh market where 80% of the people would buy their produces.

    i’m talking about barcelona in the 80’s not a little town on the country.but now to get the same quality products i have to pay double in the gourmet section of the super-mega supermarkets (whose hiring methods i may not agree with) wich have killed the majority of small producers.
    i found that to be truth also in miami where i reside now.
    i feel that a lot of people that want better treatment of animals for human comsumption,better more sustainable agriculture methods,and better treatment of workers in the industry,among other things are being pushed to join the vegan revolution (and maybe they don’t want to be vegan,not that there is anything wrong about it…) or give up their ideals. and is the market, that savy institution, the one doing the push and also ripping the benefits from it.

    i also find that consuming products from far away places is also not so good for us, taking the amount of energy necessary to get them to the plate,besides, most of them are also agro-business.

    btw ,the kitties would have look very spiffy in a bikini though.

  44. Yeah… not to over-preach, but what vegetables are you eating?? And what the heck are you doing to them? Fresh vegetables don’t need tons of prep., and as part of a main course they require FAR less time to prepare than meat. (Part of the reason I don’t do meat in my kitchen: it makes your kitchen sink dirtier than your toilet in terms of bacteria, and you have to be so careful during preparation. Not good for someone with borderline OCD.)

    Anyways, some of my favorite veggies… Cooked carrots with a tiny bit of butter, kale sauted with garlic, steamed zucchini with a sprinkle of salt (or baby spinach), cherry tomatoes (especially right off the vine), steamed string beans, asparagus spears, sugar snap peas, eggplant parm, acorn squash, baked potatoes…

    And that’s my evidence for veggies not tasting “horrible.”

  45. I’ve found that Asian recipes for veggies are just addicting and seductive, and I’m about to get my first wok.

    I find it hard to cut down on meat useage. I used to have a pet chicken, though, and he was affectionate and came when called. I have a lot of hope for these grass-fed cows, but I’d be more than happy to eat way more veggies than I do now.

    Anne, I loved that link. Mind if I pimp it a bit?

  46. Hey, I hear Antigone’s point. I can’t tell you how often I crave steak! But then I think about what cows go through, and I restrict the impulse (except for the rare impulse). I’m in agreement that if you aren’t going to go veg, buying meat from a ag co-op (or at least grain-fed organic) is better than fast food.

  47. I never eat fast food any more—after a trip to France last year, it’s all farmer’s market for me, but in Minnesota, the market closes from October to April. And, yeah, cheese is an addiction. I got addicted to Middle Eastern food in Iraq—fresh hot falafel with freshly-cut veggies and roasted chicken? Loved it. Still do.

  48. Ginmar – You can definitely call attention to that site! The more people who see it the better.

  49. Great. I love stuff like that. I have four rescued cats myself and if I ever get any money again, I’m donating to the Heifer Project.

  50. And I do believe they can produce rennet from vegetables, and artificially, although it isn’t always labelled as such.

    From what I’ve read this is a more expensive source of rennet, so it’s usually labeled prominently – as on cabot brand cheese – as a selling point for vegetarians. And again, Europeans care a lot less than merry-khuns about this stuff, so their rennet is nearly always the ick kind.

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