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Interesting post by Nathan Newman at TPM Cafe on what happens when the Supreme Court’s new no-knock doctrine meets the Castle doctrine. It’s short, so here it is in its entirety:

Two conservative legal doctrines are on a collision course. Today, the rightwing majority upheld the right of the police to enter homes without warning.

But recently, states like Florida have been passing NRA-backed “Castle Doctrine” bills that give homeowners the right to assume an unknown intruder is there to do bodily harm and can therefore be shot without any obligation by the homeowner to establish that the intruder is actually a danger.

Now, the text of such Castle Doctrine laws don’t actually protect you if you shoot a police officer, but if the police don’t identify themselves when they enter a home, it’ll create a pretty bad legal tangle for juries when defendants can claim they thought the officer was an unknown intruder against whom they had the right to shoot on sight.

Cops are generally pretty pragmatic about avoiding getting shot, which is why they usually knock and announce, even if they don’t give the people in the building a chance to think about what’s happening. Hell, they even have a cop knock. Cops are usually in favor of gun control, regardless of how conservative they are on other issues.

So, expect to see one of these doctrines giving way. My guess is that cops in Castle Doctrine states will be knocking even as they work on getting those laws repealed.

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  1. Huh? Zero comments?

    Today, the rightwing majority upheld the right of the police to enter homes without warning.

    Technically they’re still not allowed to just barge in, the problem here is our supremes just took all the incentive for the police to actually obey the law. Bastards cut down the poison tree and made mulch out of it, there ain’t gonna be any more fruit.

    Although the new laws reaffirming the Castle Doctrine are a good idea, realistically, many states already have laws like Florida’s already on the books. Furthermore, just look at the name, “Castle Doctrine”, It’s rooted in English common law that goes back a few centuries.

    But the “collision course” that Nathan postulates about has already happened. Olde meme. Mostly I’ve noticed them since the War on (some) Drugs. I mean how many no-knock raids do you want me to cite where we ended up with a dynamic entry, a dead citizen and less than an ounce of pot? This is all because of years ago when the supremes decided that the there really weren’t any drug related searches and seizures that were unreasonable. The pigs found out that they could legally steal crap and fund their department by seizing the property and homes of people who were merely suspected of drug crimes.

    I’ll bring up one notable case, which you really ought to blog about.

    en(dot)wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Maye

    Cory Maye, sometimes spelled Corey Maye (born September 9, 1980), is a prisoner on death row in the U.S. state of Mississippi. He was convicted of murder in the death of Prentiss police officer Ron W. Jones, during a drug raid in 2001. Maye pleaded not guilty at his trial, citing self-defense as his justification. His case attracted no attention until late 2005, when bloggers started drawing attention to it.

    Don’t forget the great coverage over at the Agitator.

    www(dot)theagitator.com/archives/cat_cory_maye.php

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