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Jews are all going to Hell and Muhammad was a terrorist, but John McCain really needs your votes!

So he’ll sacrifice the most basic decencies to be a front-runner in the Republican party. Anyone else think it’s pathetic that to win in the GOP, you have to embrace hate-mongers, homophobes, anti-Semites and racists? Full Krugman article below the fold, for those of you who (like me) refuse to pay for TimesSelect.

John and Jerry
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Well, I’ll be damned. At least, that’s what the Rev. Jerry Falwell says. Last month Mr. Falwell issued a statement explaining that, in his view, Jews can’t go to heaven unless they convert to Christianity. And what Mr. Falwell says matters — maybe not in heaven, but here on earth. After all, he’s a kingmaker in today’s Republican Party.

Senator John McCain obviously believes that he can’t get the Republican presidential nomination without Mr. Falwell’s approval. During the 2000 campaign, Mr. McCain denounced Mr. Falwell and the Rev. Pat Robertson as “agents of intolerance.” But next month Mr. McCain will be a commencement speaker at Liberty University, which Mr. Falwell founded.

On “Meet the Press” yesterday, Mr. McCain was asked to explain his apparent flip-flop. “I believe,” he replied, “that the Christian right has a major role to play in the Republican Party. One reason is because they’re so active and their followers are. And I believe they have a right to be a part of our party.”

So what has happened since the 2000 campaign to convince Mr. McCain that Mr. Falwell is not, in fact, an agent of intolerance?

Maybe it was Mr. Falwell’s TV appearance with Mr. Robertson on Sept. 13, 2001, during which the two religious leaders agreed that the terrorist attack two days earlier was divine punishment for American immorality. “God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve,” said Mr. Falwell, who also declared, “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the A.C.L.U., People for the American Way — all of them who have tried to secularize America — I point the finger in their face and say, ‘You helped this happen.’ ”

Or maybe it was Mr. Falwell’s appearance on “60 Minutes” in October 2002, when he declared, “I think Muhammad was a terrorist.” Muhammad, he said, was “a violent man” — unlike Mr. Falwell, I guess, who said of terrorists that we should “blow them all away in the name of the Lord.”

After each of these incidents, by the way, Mr. Falwell issued what were described as “apologies.” But they weren’t apologies — they were statements along the lines of, “I’m sorry that some people were upset by what I said.” It’s clear that in each case Mr. Falwell’s offensive remarks were not a slip of the tongue; they reflected his deeply held beliefs.

And that’s why it’s important to hold someone like Mr. McCain — who is still widely regarded as a moderate, in spite of his extremely conservative voting record — accountable when he cozies up to Mr. Falwell. Nobody thinks that Mr. McCain shares all of Mr. Falwell’s views. But when Mr. McCain said that the Christian right had a right to be part of the Republican Party, he was in effect saying that Mr. Falwell’s statements were within the realm of acceptable political discourse.

Just to be clear: this is a free country, and Mr. Falwell has a right to say what he thinks, even if his views include the belief that other people, by saying what they think, brought down God’s wrath on America. By the same token, any political party has a right to include Mr. Falwell and his supporters, just as any politician has a right to make a political alliance with Mr. Falwell.

But if you choose to make common cause with religious extremists, you are accepting some responsibility for their extremism. By welcoming Mr. Falwell and people like him as members of their party, Republicans are saying that it’s O.K. — not necessarily correct, but O.K. — to declare that 9/11 was America’s punishment for its tolerance of abortion and homosexuality, that Islam is a terrorist religion, and that Jews can’t go to heaven. And voters should judge the Republican Party accordingly.

As for Mr. McCain: his denunciation of Mr. Falwell and Mr. Robertson six years ago helped give him a reputation as a moderate on social issues. Now that he has made up with Mr. Falwell and endorsed South Dakota’s ban on abortion even in the case of rape or incest, only two conclusions are possible: either he isn’t a social moderate after all, or he’s a cynical political opportunist.

McCain is no moderate, and he’s proven himself to be exactly what Krugman says: a cynical political opportunist. Thanks to Jules for the article.


20 thoughts on Jews are all going to Hell and Muhammad was a terrorist, but John McCain really needs your votes!

  1. No surprise here. McCain’s moderate/maverick veneer is thinner than the stuff on a cheap-ass Wal-Mart TV stand.

  2. As a conservative who cannot stand McCain I’m torn. On the one hand, I don’t want to stick up for him. On the other, Krugman’s logic is just so bad.

    Says Krugman:

    McCain is getting comfy with extremist Falwell.
    Therefore, the Republican party is getting comfy with extremist Falwell.

    Also:

    “Nobody thinks that Mr. McCain shares all of Mr. Falwell’s views.”
    but, “voters should judge the Republican Party” by Falwell’s extremist views.

  3. One more thing:

    “Republicans are saying that it’s O.K. — not necessarily correct, but O.K. — to declare that 9/11 was America’s punishment for its tolerance of abortion and homosexuality, that Islam is a terrorist religion, and that Jews can’t go to heaven. And voters should judge the Republican Party accordingly.”

    Krugman is (intentionally) blurring the line between these crappy ideas and permission to speak these crappy ideas. I don’t think that he actually means that he would prefer a Republican Party that said that no one should say that 9/11 is America’s punishment. In fact, I’m certain Krugman would (rightly) condemn such a restriction on speech.

    He’s actually saying “these are the crappy ideas of the Republican Party.” Which is partly untrue. They are crappy ideas. But they are not of the Republican Party, but rather some extremists.

  4. McCain and the RNC pander to Falwell and his ilk without any repudiation of their extremist views. With all that pandering, and their silence on Christian extremism, it is perfectly reasonable for the public to believe those “crappy ideas” are shared.

    George W. Bush spoke at Bob Jones University in 2000. The extrreme “Christian” right is using Republican power to impose a theocratic view on scientific research, medical policy, individual freedom and education.

    They’re laying down with dogs. I hope they choke on the fleas.

  5. Thank you SO much Jill (and Julie) for posting this article. I always thought McCain was one of those decent, moderate Republicans that even though was very pro-life, at least adopted children and supported stem cell research, and even though was pro-war he wasn’t scared to criticize it… or anything for that matter. I admired his ability to speak his mind without worrying about politics. But nevermind that–guess it turns out the only Senator who truly doesn’t cater to anyone (and certainly not religious fanatics) is my hometown guy Feingold.

    Also, Gabriel, you critize Kruger saying that these are not the ideas of the Republican Party but of some extremists. Yet Kruger is pointing out that McCain encourages these extremists and their views “have a right to be a part of the our party.” Kruger isn’t saying these views are the ideas of the Republican Party, but that McCain accepts them as such. But I don’t mean to argue with you, you don’t like McCain anyway.

  6. Says Krugman:

    McCain is getting comfy with extremist Falwell.
    Therefore, the Republican party is getting comfy with extremist Falwell.

    Also:

    “Nobody thinks that Mr. McCain shares all of Mr. Falwell’s views.”
    but, “voters should judge the Republican Party” by Falwell’s extremist views.

    I think the point is that McCain is getting comfy with extremist Falwell because that’s what’s now necessary for a Republican to be successful. That’s the problem — that Falwell, Roberts et al are so deeply tied to the GOP that right-leaning politicians basically have to kiss their asses if they want that conservative Christian vote.

    Krugman is (intentionally) blurring the line between these crappy ideas and permission to speak these crappy ideas. I don’t think that he actually means that he would prefer a Republican Party that said that no one should say that 9/11 is America’s punishment. In fact, I’m certain Krugman would (rightly) condemn such a restriction on speech.

    He’s actually saying “these are the crappy ideas of the Republican Party.” Which is partly untrue. They are crappy ideas. But they are not of the Republican Party, but rather some extremists.

    Well, no. No one is talking about free speech rights here; I think it’s a given that we allow the crazies on The 700 Club to say what they want. The problem is that the Republican party caters to these nutjobs, and that’s what Krugman takes issue with. They aren’t random extremists; they’re the Republican party’s base, and when the GOP refuses to condemn them — and in fact, actively courts them — it speaks volumes about their values.

    (That isn’t to say that Democrats don’t court some questionable characters, too. They do. But I haven’t seen it to the same extent as the Republican-Religious Right attachment)

  7. Here, too, I have to wonder what exactly constitutes “Christian extremism” and how bad it is. So far, we’ve listed offensive speech and beliefs. Maybe someone could list the extremists that Republicans are being asked to repudiate. Yeah, Falwell is one.

    But, then, McCain already said he doesn’t agree with all of Falwell’s ideas. Is that not repudiation?

    (Incidentally, I would hope that any candidate that I vote for would disavow Falwell’s crazy beliefs. But I’m not a single issue voter, and this isn’t a deal-breaker for me.)

    I also question whether a “theocratic view” has been imposed on science, medical policy, individual freedom and education. No doubt, Christian extremists want to impose on those things (and more). It just hasn’t happened yet.

    And, further, I don’t think it will. Evidence: Six years of Republican presidency (with two to go). Four years of Republican Congress. And yet, stem cell research is still legal. Abortion and contraception are still legal. Homosexuality is legal. Teaching evolution in schools is still legal. (Those are the four things I think Chicklet was addressing when she listed science, medical policy, individual freedom and education.)

    Presumably, Republicans pandering to Christian extremists would have dealt with some of these issues by now. Thus, these extremist issues aren’t really Republican issues.

    Finally, demanding that a politician alienate potential voters is unrealistic. Might as well demand that Democrats repudiate Farrakhan or Sharpton. It’s not going to happen. And maybe it shouldn’t. Is it possible to help these people by including them?

  8. they’re the Republican party’s base

    I also question this assertion. Falwell and his kind do NOT constitute the Republican base. They’re overloud extremists with money. (Which is exactly why we’re talking about them.)

  9. This is perhaps a minor point, but is it really such an extreme view, theologically speaking, that Jews can’t go to heaven unless they convert? I always thought it was pretty standard (if perhaps not universally shared) Christian doctrine that people like me who don’t believe in Jesus aren’t going to heaven–you know, that whole “no one comes to the Father but through Me” bit. (cf. Seinfeld episode with Elaine being annoyed that Putty wasn’t determined to save her from damnation.)

  10. PLN, it is my experience that Christianity comes in a wide variety of flavors. Some Christians do indeed believe that only the baptized are going to heaven. But I think you would be hard-pressed to find that most Christians do.

    In fact, here’s a list of the ten most common denomination groups (data from CUNY’s ARIS data from 2001).

    1. Catholic 50,873,000 24.5%
    2. Baptist 33,830,000 16.3%
    3. Methodist 14,150,000 6.8%
    4. Lutheran 9,580,000 4.6%
    5. Pentecostal/Charismatic/Foursquare 4,407,000 2.1%
    6. Presbyterian 5,596,000 2.7%
    7. Mormon/Jesus Christ of LDS 2,697,000 1.3%
    8. Non-denominational Christians 2,489,000 1.2%
    9. Church of Christ 2,593,000 1.2%
    10. Episcopal/Anglican 3,451,000 1.7%

    Now, 1, 3-7, and 10 all have doctrine that provides for salvation for non-Christians and non-baptized. (It’s obvious, but: in fairness, not all believers in these religions follow the exact dictates of doctrine.)

    2 and 8 are your most likely culprits of the “only Christians go to heaven” idea (and when they say Christian they mean their kind of Christians–Papists (Catholics) and cultists (Mormons) need not apply). (Again, though, those two groups are extremely varied in their doctrinal beliefs–especially the non-denoms.) Falwell and Robertson belong to 2.

    I don’t know enough about Church of Christ-ers to know what they believe.

    Anyways, the vast majority of Christians believe that salvation is not limited to Christianity.

  11. I also question whether a “theocratic view” has been imposed on science, medical policy, individual freedom and education. No doubt, Christian extremists want to impose on those things (and more). It just hasn’t happened yet.

    While abortion and contraception may be technically legal, the Republican Party in power, dancing to the tune from the Falwells of the Right, have created barriers and restrictions to make reproductive freedom an illusion in many areas of this country. Pharmacists can refuse to do their jobs. Catholic hospitals can impose the church’s institutional misogyny on rape victims while still taking tax dollars.

    “Intelligent Design” aka religious indoctrination in sheep’s clothing, is actually treated as an “alternative view” to serious, logical scientific inquiry and practice.

    “Faith-based” initiatives, like “True Love Waits,” get our tax dollars thrown their way despite no record of success, and minimal accountability to the government or taxpayers.

  12. Not to be critical, but I’m not really sure Paul Krugman is the best source for information on the workings of the Republicans.

  13. I’m paraphrasing for clarity Chicklet’s proof that the theocratic view has been imposed:

    1. Barriers and restrictions have made reproductive freedom an illusion in many areas of this country.
    2. Pharmacists can refuse to do their jobs.
    3. Catholic hospitals can impose the church’s institutional misogyny on rape victims while still taking tax dollars.
    4. “Intelligent Design” aka religious indoctrination in sheep’s clothing, is actually treated as an “alternative view” to serious, logical scientific inquiry and practice.
    5. “Faith-based” initiatives, like “True Love Waits,” get our tax dollars thrown their way despite no record of success, and minimal accountability to the government or taxpayers.

    Indeed. A sweeping success for theocracy. Given another 50 years in office, the Republicans (dancing for the Christian puppetmasters, of course) should just have that whole “Glorious States of America” thing all wrapped up.

    And yet you folks are insisting that the Christian Right has the Republicans by the balls. In fact, you can’t get elected in this country unless you pander to extremists, right?

    Were I a Christian extremist I would ask for my money back.

  14. In 2008 if Klinton runs against McCain, guess who I’m voting for?

    If you chose “neither one,” then you win the ribbon.

  15. Church of Christers (at least the ones i know) are basically Southern Baptists without the musical accompaniment. And i seriously doubt that the vast majority of American Christians (which is the important demographic) don’t believe that you have to be a Christian to be saved/go to heaven/whatever. As PLN said, there’s that “no one may come to the Father but through me” verse mixed together with some good old American arrogance.

  16. The Christian Right does have the GOP by the balls, and McCain’s behavior (as well as Mitt Romney’s) are a reflection of it.

    Is it possible in today’s GOP for a pro- abortion rights candidate to win the party’s nomination?

    Is it possible in today’s GOP for an openly agnostic or atheist person to win the party’s nomination for President?

    You write

    Six years of Republican presidency (with two to go). Four years of Republican Congress. And yet, stem cell research is still legal. Abortion and contraception are still legal. Homosexuality is legal. Teaching evolution in schools is still legal. (Those are the four things I think Chicklet was addressing when she listed science, medical policy, individual freedom and education.)

    This just shows that these things can survive four to six years of Republican control with the socially liberal year 2000 as the base year. If you had asked in 2000 whether “teaching evolution in schools is legal” would in 6 years become a topic seriously discussed, people would have thought you were crazy. Yet here we are seriously discussing it.

    Bush and the religious right have always known that if they go too far on the above issues prematurely, they risk a backlash that would cripple their narrow majority. That’s the lesson they took from Newt Gingrich and failures of the mid-1990s. Yet it would be obviously false to say the right has given up, and naive to suppose that supporting candidates like McCain who are now beholden to them would have no consequences.

  17. Wow. If half the people here knew half of what they were talking about (ferret-like Krugman included), we might have something… but as of now, we don’t. I’m conservative (because I think and reason), but am not a Christian. I’m nothing really, but I do believe in God, due to my continuing studies in science. My parents are Christians, and my one bro. and my sis attend Liberty. My brother is graduating in May, and my fam will be there. I won’t, as I’m in school in FL.

    When I found out McCain was the speaker and told my family, we all started laughing. I think McCain’s a nice person, but he’s no conservative. I don’t want him as the nominee. His pandering is transparent, I agree. Where people show their ignorance is on Falwell. I used to be the same way: I thought of him as a crazy Christian; didn’t like him. After experiencing having siblings at the university, however, I’ve seen sides of him that most people haven’t. You’d be surprised, he’s actually a joker with quite a mischievous sense of humor. Plus, I’ve learned about all the good he does for the community. You have no idea how much money he’s poured into helping so many different sectors. He believes deeply in his faith, and that bothers some, but, look, it’s not like he pulls it out of his butt, it’s what his faith tells him. I respect him for it, just as I’m told I should respect Islamists for their f’ed up beliefs (I don’t- because those people are crazy, and because the people who tell me to do so are less intelligent than me.)
    I still wouldn’t like conforming to all of his beliefs, e.g.; at my university there’s no dress code, there is at Liberty, but, if you don’t like it, you don’t go there. Notwithstanding, my brother and sister do not have an abnormal college life. They probably don’t get trashed as often (they still do though, as I said, my parents are the Christians, the other kids just aren’t as upfront about telling them what they’re going to do as I am), but who gives a crap? Students go to college to get an education, I’m at my school for that reason, and if it cramps your style you go somewhere else. It’s not like you’re not aware. The point is, sometimes if you don’t have all the facts it’s better not to opine, and to wait until you have a better knowledge of things, thus avoiding looking foolish.

  18. Defense Guy Says:
    “Not to be critical, but I’m not really sure Paul Krugman is the best source for information on the workings of the Republicans. ”

    First, you are being critical, which I appreciate, because being critical and saying that you’re not gives me information to judge your words by.

    Second, Paul Krugman has been one of the better sources of information about the GOP and the administration; certainly better than any supporters.

  19. Kaytee Says:

    “Wow. If half the people here knew half of what they were talking about (ferret-like Krugman included), we might have something…”

    Kaytee, the proper term for ‘truthful’ is ‘shrill’, ‘not ferret-like’.

    “but as of now, we don’t. I’m conservative (because I think and reason), but am not a Christian. I’m nothing really, but I do believe in God, due to my continuing studies in science.”

    Because you think and reason. Let me guess – Intelligent Design?

  20. Falwell IS an idiot (as is Krugman, but I’ll leave that aside for the moment), and McCain is a weasel – though my reasons for thinking so probably differ from yours – but Muhammad WAS, for all practical purposes, a terrorist. He led an astonishingly bloodstained life, which included ordering the murder of numerous political and intellectual opponents in Medina, one of which was the pagan female poet Asma bint Marwan who had done nothing but write a few verses critical of him. Muhammad also slaughtered the men and adolescent boys of the Jewish tribes of the Hejaz while taking their wives, sisters and daughters as sex slaves for himself and his followers. There are many, many more such stories within the mainstream Muslim hadith traditions.

    Everything that you find misogynist and repulsive in Christianity or Judaism is distilled and concentrated in Islam – ultimate paragon of the Abrahamic religions.

    No, I am not here as the advance scout of another raid on your blog… I just came across this entry title while researching bits for my own blog.

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