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After Neoconservatism

A must-read article by Frances Fukuyama on the legacy of neoconservatism, and how it’s left the world much worse off.

As we approach the third anniversary of the onset of the Iraq war, it seems very unlikely that history will judge either the intervention itself or the ideas animating it kindly. By invading Iraq, the Bush administration created a self-fulfilling prophecy: Iraq has now replaced Afghanistan as a magnet, a training ground and an operational base for jihadist terrorists, with plenty of American targets to shoot at. The United States still has a chance of creating a Shiite-dominated democratic Iraq, but the new government will be very weak for years to come; the resulting power vacuum will invite outside influence from all of Iraq’s neighbors, including Iran. There are clear benefits to the Iraqi people from the removal of Saddam Hussein’s dictatorship, and perhaps some positive spillover effects in Lebanon and Syria. But it is very hard to see how these developments in themselves justify the blood and treasure that the United States has spent on the project to this point.


And of course, the cost hasn’t just been to Americans and Iraqis.

But it is the idealistic effort to use American power to promote democracy and human rights abroad that may suffer the greatest setback. Perceived failure in Iraq has restored the authority of foreign policy “realists” in the tradition of Henry Kissinger. Already there is a host of books and articles decrying America’s naïve Wilsonianism and attacking the notion of trying to democratize the world. The administration’s second-term efforts to push for greater Middle Eastern democracy, introduced with the soaring rhetoric of Bush’s second Inaugural Address, have borne very problematic fruits. The Islamist Muslim Brotherhood made a strong showing in Egypt’s parliamentary elections in November and December. While the holding of elections in Iraq this past December was an achievement in itself, the vote led to the ascendance of a Shiite bloc with close ties to Iran (following on the election of the conservative Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as president of Iran in June). But the clincher was the decisive Hamas victory in the Palestinian election last month, which brought to power a movement overtly dedicated to the destruction of Israel.

Fukuyama doesn’t say this outright, but one of the biggest tragedies of this administration’s policies is that now any time the United States reaches outside of its own borders, even if it’s for positive goals like the extension of human rights or relief efforts, it’s immediately regarded with suspicion. And as sentiments at home turn against the war, Americans are beginning to oppose our country’s involvement in anything abroad, and regress to isolationist beliefs.

The reaction against democracy promotion and an activist foreign policy may not end there.

Those whom Walter Russell Mead labels Jacksonian conservatives — red-state Americans whose sons and daughters are fighting and dying in the Middle East — supported the Iraq war because they believed that their children were fighting to defend the United States against nuclear terrorism, not to promote democracy. They don’t want to abandon the president in the middle of a vicious war, but down the road the perceived failure of the Iraq intervention may push them to favor a more isolationist foreign policy, which is a more natural political position for them. A recent Pew poll indicates a swing in public opinion toward isolationism; the percentage of Americans saying that the United States “should mind its own business” has never been higher since the end of the Vietnam War.

Isolationism isn’t the answer. But unfortunately, I think that’s what we’re going to see in the backlash against this ill-planned, nonsensical war.

More than any other group, it was the neoconservatives both inside and outside the Bush administration who pushed for democratizing Iraq and the broader Middle East. They are widely credited (or blamed) for being the decisive voices promoting regime change in Iraq, and yet it is their idealistic agenda that in the coming months and years will be the most directly threatened. Were the United States to retreat from the world stage, following a drawdown in Iraq, it would in my view be a huge tragedy, because American power and influence have been critical to the maintenance of an open and increasingly democratic order around the world. The problem with neoconservatism’s agenda lies not in its ends, which are as American as apple pie, but rather in the overmilitarized means by which it has sought to accomplish them. What American foreign policy needs is not a return to a narrow and cynical realism, but rather the formulation of a “realistic Wilsonianism” that better matches means to ends.

Yes. The United States has historically been a beacon of democracy. This is a good thing. But you don’t effectively spread democracy world-wide by invading a country, forcibly deposing of their leaders, and occupying them indefinitely.

How did the neoconservatives end up overreaching to such an extent that they risk undermining their own goals? The Bush administration’s first-term foreign policy did not flow ineluctably from the views of earlier generations of people who considered themselves neoconservatives, since those views were themselves complex and subject to differing interpretations. Four common principles or threads ran through much of this thought up through the end of the cold war: a concern with democracy, human rights and, more generally, the internal politics of states; a belief that American power can be used for moral purposes; a skepticism about the ability of international law and institutions to solve serious security problems; and finally, a view that ambitious social engineering often leads to unexpected consequences and thereby undermines its own ends.

I think he’s being a little too generous here, especially when he says that human rights are part of the neoconservative goals. The fact is that the language of human rights rarely enters into the right-wing lexicon; for the past four decades, the right has focused on international democratization, while the left has been more willing to use words like human rights. That isn’t to say that one model is better than the other, or that they aren’t compatible; they certainly are. But the neoconservative model is one focused on capitalist economies and democratic governments (when convenient, at least). While the left also supports capitalism and democracy, they’ve been more apt to also focus on things like individual rights, economic rights, and international human rights doctrines as a means of conferring rights and dignity onto all people.

But I digress. His critiques of the America-as-benevolent-hegemony view are compelling as well:

The idea that the United States is a hegemon more benevolent than most is not an absurd one, but there were warning signs that things had changed in America’s relationship to the world long before the start of the Iraq war. The structural imbalance in global power had grown enormous. America surpassed the rest of the world in every dimension of power by an unprecedented margin, with its defense spending nearly equal to that of the rest of the world combined. Already during the Clinton years, American economic hegemony had generated enormous hostility to an American-dominated process of globalization, frequently on the part of close democratic allies who thought the United States was seeking to impose its antistatist social model on them.

There were other reasons as well why the world did not accept American benevolent hegemony. In the first place, it was premised on American exceptionalism, the idea that America could use its power in instances where others could not because it was more virtuous than other countries. The doctrine of pre-emption against terrorist threats contained in the 2002 National Security Strategy was one that could not safely be generalized through the international system; America would be the first country to object if Russia, China, India or France declared a similar right of unilateral action. The United States was seeking to pass judgment on others while being unwilling to have its own conduct questioned in places like the International Criminal Court.

Another problem with benevolent hegemony was domestic. There are sharp limits to the American people’s attention to foreign affairs and willingness to finance projects overseas that do not have clear benefits to American interests. Sept. 11 changed that calculus in many ways, providing popular support for two wars in the Middle East and large increases in defense spending. But the durability of the support is uncertain: although most Americans want to do what is necessary to make the project of rebuilding Iraq succeed, the aftermath of the invasion did not increase the public appetite for further costly interventions. Americans are not, at heart, an imperial people. Even benevolent hegemons sometimes have to act ruthlessly, and they need a staying power that does not come easily to people who are reasonably content with their own lives and society.

Finally, benevolent hegemony presumed that the hegemon was not only well intentioned but competent as well. Much of the criticism of the Iraq intervention from Europeans and others was not based on a normative case that the United States was not getting authorization from the United Nations Security Council, but rather on the belief that it had not made an adequate case for invading Iraq in the first place and didn’t know what it was doing in trying to democratize Iraq. In this, the critics were unfortunately quite prescient.

Emphasis mine.

He finally offers some comprehensive solutions:

Now that the neoconservative moment appears to have passed, the United States needs to reconceptualize its foreign policy in several fundamental ways. In the first instance, we need to demilitarize what we have been calling the global war on terrorism and shift to other types of policy instruments. We are fighting hot counterinsurgency wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and against the international jihadist movement, wars in which we need to prevail. But “war” is the wrong metaphor for the broader struggle, since wars are fought at full intensity and have clear beginnings and endings. Meeting the jihadist challenge is more of a “long, twilight struggle” whose core is not a military campaign but a political contest for the hearts and minds of ordinary Muslims around the world. As recent events in France and Denmark suggest, Europe will be a central battleground in this fight.

He’s right. And there is no way that we can launch this political struggle alone. By framing it as a war — and, indeed, by fighting it as a war — we’ve made Islam itself as the enemy. That certainly isn’t going to win the hearts and minds of ordinary Muslims.

The United States needs to come up with something better than “coalitions of the willing” to legitimate its dealings with other countries. The world today lacks effective international institutions that can confer legitimacy on collective action; creating new organizations that will better balance the dual requirements of legitimacy and effectiveness will be the primary task for the coming generation. As a result of more than 200 years of political evolution, we have a relatively good understanding of how to create institutions that are rulebound, accountable and reasonably effective in the vertical silos we call states. What we do not have are adequate mechanisms of horizontal accountability among states.

The conservative critique of the United Nations is all too cogent: while useful for certain peacekeeping and nation-building operations, the United Nations lacks both democratic legitimacy and effectiveness in dealing with serious security issues. The solution is not to strengthen a single global body, but rather to promote what has been emerging in any event, a “multi-multilateral world” of overlapping and occasionally competing international institutions that are organized on regional or functional lines. Kosovo in 1999 was a model: when the Russian veto prevented the Security Council from acting, the United States and its NATO allies simply shifted the venue to NATO, where the Russians could not block action

This is an interesting suggestion. I’m of the mind that the UN is useless, but they’re useless primarily because the United States consistently undermines them and refuses to play by the same rules that we want everyone else to.

The final area that needs rethinking, and the one that will be the most contested in the coming months and years, is the place of democracy promotion in American foreign policy. The worst legacy that could come from the Iraq war would be an anti-neoconservative backlash that coupled a sharp turn toward isolation with a cynical realist policy aligning the United States with friendly authoritarians. Good governance, which involves not just democracy but also the rule of law and economic development, is critical to a host of outcomes we desire, from alleviating poverty to dealing with pandemics to controlling violent conflicts. A Wilsonian policy that pays attention to how rulers treat their citizens is therefore right, but it needs to be informed by a certain realism that was missing from the thinking of the Bush administration in its first term and of its neoconservative allies.

We need in the first instance to understand that promoting democracy and modernization in the Middle East is not a solution to the problem of jihadist terrorism; in all likelihood it will make the short-term problem worse, as we have seen in the case of the Palestinian election bringing Hamas to power. Radical Islamism is a byproduct of modernization itself, arising from the loss of identity that accompanies the transition to a modern, pluralist society. It is no accident that so many recent terrorists, from Sept. 11’s Mohamed Atta to the murderer of the Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh to the London subway bombers, were radicalized in democratic Europe and intimately familiar with all of democracy’s blessings. More democracy will mean more alienation, radicalization and — yes, unfortunately — terrorism.

He’s right — we do need to re-think this whole democracy thing. Of course, that doesn’t mean abandoning it; it just means restructuring they way we promote it.

But greater political participation by Islamist groups is very likely to occur whatever we do, and it will be the only way that the poison of radical Islamism can ultimately work its way through the body politic of Muslim communities around the world. The age is long since gone when friendly authoritarians could rule over passive populations and produce stability indefinitely. New social actors are mobilizing everywhere, from Bolivia and Venezuela to South Africa and the Persian Gulf. A durable Israeli-Palestinian peace could not be built upon a corrupt, illegitimate Fatah that constantly had to worry about Hamas challenging its authority. Peace might emerge, sometime down the road, from a Palestine run by a formerly radical terrorist group that had been forced to deal with the realities of governing.

And so the answer is…

If we are serious about the good governance agenda, we have to shift our focus to the reform, reorganization and proper financing of those institutions of the United States government that actually promote democracy, development and the rule of law around the world, organizations like the State Department, U.S.A.I.D., the National Endowment for Democracy and the like. The United States has played an often decisive role in helping along many recent democratic transitions, including in the Philippines in 1986; South Korea and Taiwan in 1987; Chile in 1988; Poland and Hungary in 1989; Serbia in 2000; Georgia in 2003; and Ukraine in 2004-5. But the overarching lesson that emerges from these cases is that the United States does not get to decide when and where democracy comes about. By definition, outsiders can’t “impose” democracy on a country that doesn’t want it; demand for democracy and reform must be domestic. Democracy promotion is therefore a long-term and opportunistic process that has to await the gradual ripening of political and economic conditions to be effective.

Emphasis mine, because it’s the best line in the whole piece. Read the whole thing. But that, for me, sums it up — and exemplifies why we’re failing in Iraq and around the world.


23 thoughts on After Neoconservatism

  1. The Neo-Conservative vision has been built on a series of false premises and thus was destined to fail. It’s not just democracy that yields a civilizational outcome that includes the features of modern and western societies. Democracy requries a host of preconditions in order to develop, take root, and be embraced. The Middle East is lacking in most of those preconditions.

    While the left also supports capitalism and democracy, they’ve been more apt to also focus on things like individual rights, economic rights, and international human rights doctrines as a means of conferring rights and dignity onto all people.

    Here the Left is just as delusional as the Neo-Conservatives. If the Left wants to lift the Middle East and Africa towards modernity how is it going to reconcile human rights doctrines with Islam or tribal customs. Doing anything on these issues would be an affront to the sensitivities of cultural relativists. The population of the ME is growing faster than their economies and this means that every year the economies of the ME can’t create enough jobs to just keep pace with population growth. A sure way to employ those people is for Western corporations to establish industries that are very labor intensive but require low skill sets. These sweatshops will have all of the Hollywood set in deep angst mode and the rest of the “economic rights” activists proclaiming that these workers be paid at least an American minimum wage. Moreover, the sheer humiliation of working as low paid serfs will be too much to bear for many Muslims whose pride tells them that are the equal of the Westerners. The won’t look to the lessons of other nations that started at the bottom and climbed the economic development ladder. So, how will Leftist ideals help backwards regions develop to modern standards?

    As for the Iraq War we all know that the only reason the US and the West care about the region is because of the oil, which isn’t to say we went into Iraq to control the oil, but if the ME was devoid of oil we would pay as much attention to that region as we do Africa. The military tax, pre-Iraq, that is paid on every barrel of oil is significant. If we had taken the $500 Billion spent on Iraq and invested it in modernizing out electrical infrastructure right now we’d be well on the road to having orbital mining and manufacturing assets and solar power satellites beaming gigawatts of clean power down to us. We’d be well along on developing vanadium redox liquid energy storage systems to replace oil powered combustion. In short, our national strategic interest in the ME would be well on the road to being non-existant, except for the need to keep the date, caviar,saffron and couscous supply lines open. When’s the last time anyone enjoyed reading a book that was published in Kuwait, or benefitted from a drug developed in Nigeria, or used an iron manufactured in Saudi Arabia, or turned on a TV set made in Libya?

  2. ‘The United States has historically been a beacon of democracy’? I don’t mean to state the obvious, but since when, and to whom? Fukuyama is an ugly figure. He’s not so far from Kissinger’s pragmatism. Arguing that neo-conservatism crumbled because it was too ill-planned and just too darn idealistic is ridiculous. It retains the completely unfounded premise that American imperialism is basically a good thing, as long as it’s in the right hands. Perry Anderson, of New Left Review, had a good take on Fukuyama in his essay in ‘A Zone of Engagement’, almost a decade old now.

  3. “Yes. The United States has historically been a beacon of democracy”

    Say what? Care to back this up?

    Here’s a good quote from William Blum.

    “From 1945 to the end of the century, the United States attempted to overthrow more than 40 foreign governments, and to crush more than 30 populist-nationalist movements struggling against intolerable regimes… In the process, the U.S. caused the end of life for several million people, and condemned many millions more to a life of agony and despair.”

    Jill said: “I think he’s being a little too generous here, especially when he says that human rights are part of the neoconservative goals. The fact is that the language of human rights rarely enters into the right-wing lexicon; for the past four decades, the right has focused on international democratization, while the left has been more willing to use words like human rights. That isn’t to say that one model is better than the other, or that they aren’t compatible; they certainly are. But the neoconservative model is one focused on capitalist economies and democratic governments (when convenient, at least). While the left also supports capitalism and democracy, they’ve been more apt to also focus on things like individual rights, economic rights, and international human rights doctrines as a means of conferring rights and dignity onto all people.”

    Jill he isn’t being generous, he’s being idiotic. How can you possibly say that “for the past four decades, the right has focused on international democratization”? On what would you base this belief? Also, since when has the left supported capitalism? I think you are talking about the liberal establishment, which most people don’t consider part of the left. The liberal establishment has never supported democracy, they’ve been enthusiastic supporters of American imperialism.

    ” Americans are not, at heart, an imperial people. Even benevolent hegemons sometimes have to act ruthlessly, and they need a staying power that does not come easily to people who are reasonably content with their own lives and society.”

    What kind of racist bullshit is this? What people are, at heart, an imperial people? And who is he to essentiallize Americans or anyone else? How does he know what the “hearts” of any people are? What about the “hearts” of the Germans?

  4. I think it’s silliness for Fukayama to say that he “doesn’t see how these developments [the removal of Sadam Hussein & spillover in Syria and Lebanon] in themselves justify the blood and treasure that the United States has spent on the project to this point.” I am, and have almost always been, conflicted over the War in Iraq, but the “spillover” of which he refers is democracy and the benefits of removing Sadam are the cessation of mass murder (even balanced against Iraqi deaths from the war) and possible representational government. None of this may yet succeed– I have a post about this at http://badfeminist.blogspot.com/2006/02/women-say-no-to- war.html– but that is an issue in and of itself. I utterly disagree that “these developments”, if successful, would not be worth American effort (or accusations of imperialism).

  5. Without going through all the trouble to quote every passage I have a problem with, I’ll just point out the following:

    Firstly, there is a serious problem with his assertion that the neo-conservative movement has always been focused on the spread of human rights and democratic justice. I would assert that early on, in the 30’s and 40’s this was a concern due to, as he rightly points out, the realization of many that the commnist movement in Russia fizzled into a massive military dictatorship, particuarly during the reign of Stalin.

    The neo conservatives though, have made a pact with the devil long ago in order to further their agenda of anti-communism; big business. Big business has always had the money and the muscle and was not hindered by politics of state. This alliance has served the neo-cons well and continues to do so in various areas around the globe.

    Which is another problem I have with this article; the absolute absence of discussion of neo-con policies of anti-communism that furthered the interest of business and to that end, supported and still supports oppressive regimes in order to get business done at maximum return for investment, for example the oppression of democractic and human rights advancements in South and Central America and also Africa.

    Thus, the rest of the article rings a bit hollow. Kosovo may have been a good example of changing NATO strategy to accomplish a needed human rights mission, but remember that simoutaneously, people were being slaughtered in Rwanda and the administration turned a blind eye.

    Iraq has exposed the dark and deeply incestuous relationship that the neo-cons have with business. Oddly, this time it was turned around. There is no communist threat, no ‘domino effect’ to fear and thus the neo-con movement’s bartering and trading with big business was shown the light of day. The administration had bet and lost. They lost their mantle of justification that previous administrations that acted on such lines had always had; anti-communism. The ability to taint any opposition to their imperialist invasions or interference as communist propaganda doesn’t exist.

    So there they are, embroiled in a war that the American people are having to finance, where billions upon billions of dollars have been made for big business and the Americans get nothing. Without the purpose of the cold war, how can any administration justify interference in other countries? The emperor has no clothes.

    Hugo Chavez is rightfully asserting his muscle with his country’s oil reserves, speaking again of the ideal of democracy and not giving in to American dominance and influence.

    Little wonder that the neo-con extremists such as Pat Robertson speak out again Chavez so strongly. Although he act as the court jester, no doubt he mimics what others dare not speak in public.

    As for Tangoman’s comments. Africa has vast reserves of minerals as well as oil, that are regularly siphoned away from the people and into the hands of Europeans and Americans. The entire continents of Africa and South and Central America will struggle with developing their own identity for years to come, they can only evolve, truly evolve, when American business ceases to carve out their battlelines and rape them for their resources.

    The assertion that the Middle East will not wish to work in ‘sweatshop labor’ still suffers the assertion that they or any other developing country would not accept building their economy on their own terms. I posit to think that they all are intelligent enough to understand the length of the process for building infrastructure and a balanced social system. I believe their angst has been produced by the fact that imperialst interests will not allow them to engage in such an effort on their own terms.

    Also Fukuyama gives Reagan credit for ending the cold war, something that wrankles me. It just isn’t true. I can remember when the soviet union was still alive and well and it was well known that corruption, stifling of human freedom and incentive rotted the soviet empire from within, Reagan came along and pushed the rotten tree over and it feel easily. He was in the right place at the right time and worked it well. He didn’t end the soviet union.

    Finally, the neo-con agenda is one that capitalizes on chauvinism, a cultural precept that has been around since Queen Elizabeth; that christian nations are superior to all others and we serve god and them by bringing christianity and then democracy to the ignorant and the barbaric. From the traffic in slavery up to today, christian evangelical chauvinism has been ever present.

    Of course like Queen Elizabeth had, such chauvinism to be pursued as state policy requires a subservient warrior class and an unlimited supply of resources or the willingness to get said resources at whatever cost to others.

    We have evolved beyond that and only a small number of persons in this country are willing to sacrifice their sons and daughters to some lofty ideal or reward they themselves will never enjoy. Even worse is that these same people are beginning to see that they are being duped and used in a huge ruse against humanity to increase the power and profits of a few.

  6. But the overarching lesson that emerges from these cases is that the United States does not get to decide when and where democracy comes about. By definition, outsiders can’t “impose” democracy on a country that doesn’t want it; demand for democracy and reform must be domestic.

    This is basically true.

    However, it does not appear to me that this clause applies to Iraq. There are large numbers of Iraqi who do want a democratic form of government.

  7. Want is different than having the power to do. Do these large numbers of the Iraqi population have the power and influence to make this happen? Long-term? I’m genuinely not sure, but then, I’m a cynic.

  8. Well, for part of the population, the answer is “definitely” ‘cos they’re already there. The Kurds are basically democratic; have been for a while. If nothing else positive happens, there’s a prosperous and free semi-country in northern Iraq that is perfectly viable going forward as an independent democratic entity.

    The big question is whether the Sunni can reconcile themselves to being a powerful faction in a democracy instead of being the overlords. I’m hopeful. Get them on board, and it’s a cakewalk. Without them…a lot harder.

    Being “genuinely not sure” puts you in the pro-Bush camp at this point. Better moderate that pro-fascist rhetoric and read the talking points – Iraq is a disaster and democracy is doomed. Doomed!

  9. Iraq is a disaster and democracy is doomed. Doomed!

    Yes and if Hugo Chavez really is what he says he wants to be and coalition of the Americas develops to counter American imperialism, then democracy is really doomed! What will happen to Dole banana? What of Guatamalan sweatshops? What then America?

    The neo-cons have done so much to keep our America clean and prosperous. Now what? No wonder Pat Robertson’s head is coming off.

  10. Can we stop referring to every member of the Bush administration as neoconservative? It really doesn’t add much to the discussion. If anything it’s misleading in foreign policy discussions because it puts too much emphasis on particular individuals and not on the entire system which lead us into Iraq. It’s true that the Bush administration is on the extreme end of American imperialists, but historically both Republicans and Democrats have been imperialists. Let’s also not forget that most of the Democrats supported this war and still support it. It’s comforting to believe that the Bush administration is some strange abberation and before that everything was peachy, but that doesn’t make it true.

  11. neo-conservative movement has always been focused on the spread of human rights and democratic justice. I would assert that early on, in the 30’s and 40’s this was a concern

    Umm. the neo-conservatives weren’t around in the 30’s and 40’s.

    So there they are, embroiled in a war that the American people are having to finance

    No, there we are.

    they can only evolve, truly evolve, when American business ceases to carve out their battlelines and rape them for their resources.

    OK. I suppose it would be better for Chinese or European businesses to dominate those markets. I really have no idea what your point is here.

    suffers the assertion that they or any other developing country would not accept building their economy on their own terms.

    I’m sorry, I don’t understand what this means.

    I posit to think that they all are intelligent enough to understand the length of the process for building infrastructure and a balanced social system.

    Again, I can’t figure out what you’re trying to say here.

    it was well known that corruption, stifling of human freedom and incentive rotted the soviet empire from within, Reagan came along and pushed the rotten tree over and it feel easily.

    Care to produce any popular commentary from circa 1980 that demonstrates these well known perceptions?

  12. Lauren & Robert,

    Of all the countries that have tried the Democracy Experiment, those with GDP/capita over $6,000 have mostly made the transition successfully. The record for those with gdp/capita between $3,000 and $6,000 have a mixed track record averaging around 50% success. Those with gdp/captia less that $3,000 have never made the transition successfully. Iraq before the War ranged from $1,500 to $2,400 and now with all of the American spending it is estimated to be $3,500. Depending on what happens to the economy after, or during, America’s gradual withdrawl, the gdp/capita may start to slip. The tea leaves don’t paint a hopeful picture for democracy taking root.

  13. What kind of racist bullshit is this? What people are, at heart, an imperial people? And who is he to essentiallize Americans or anyone else? How does he know what the “hearts” of any people are? What about the “hearts” of the Germans?

    Neither the race nor ethnicity of Americans is mentioned in the article. I’m not sure what set off your racism alarm. There’s nothing wrong with associating certain values with certain nations – anthropologists do it all the time. For example, Americans are largely materialistic. That’s a generalization to be sure but not unlike the way we normally discuss nations and cultures.

  14. Those with gdp/captia less that $3,000 have never made the transition successfully.

    Really? Odd that America managed. We were a fairly poor country in 1776.

    Bugger the tea leaves, and bugger the historical determinism, too. I didn’t buy it from Marxist nitwits and I don’t buy it from pessimists today, either. We’ve made them free; if they cock it up (with or without our help) then that’ll be too bad, but at least they had the chance.

    The alternative is not a return to oil-funded despotism. The alternative is a world war. Live free or die has acquired a chilling new meaning. (Yes, I know that you disagree that this is what will happen. You’re wrong there, too.)

    See what happens when you permit contrarians on your blog, Lauren? They start contrarianing each other!

  15. Robert,

    Rather than rely on my short synopsis, here is NYU’s Adam Przeworski:

    This is a startling fact given that throughout history about 70 democracies have collapsed in poorer countries. In contrast, 35 democracies spent a total of 1,000 years under more affluent conditions, and not one collapsed. Affluent democracies survived wars, riots, scandals, and economic and governmental crises.

    The probability that democracy survives increases monotonically with per capita income. Between 1951 and 1999, the probability that a democracy would fall during any particular year in countries with per capita income under US$1,000 was 0.089, implying that their expected life was about 11 years. With incomes in the range of US$1001 to US$3000, this probability was 0.037, for an expected duration of about 27 years. Between US$3001 and US$6055, the probability was 0.013, which translates into about 78 years of expected life. And above US$6055, democracies last forever.

  16. Yes, yes. Someone has numbers.

    I don’t listen to it much when liberals say it, or for you either. Numbers are a nice guide to past performance.

    The word “past” has an interesting valence. Time goes one way.

    To put it another way, there is free will.

  17. Hmph. I was trying to think of another living criminal in the same class as Saddam Hussein, and Fukuyama provided me with what should have been the obvious answer: Henry Kissinger.

    Jill: [W]e do need to re-think this whole democracy thing … restructuring they way we promote it. What, you think holding it out at the end of a bayonet isn’t working?

    Robert: We were a fairly poor country in 1776. Pshaw if we were. We were Britain’s cash cow, that they desperately wanted to go on taxing and otherwise exploiting (and that France desperately wanted to buy from without paying the London middlemen).

    OTOH, my wife points out the Indian state of Kerala, where they have profound poverty, democracy, socialism and excellent schools.

    Tangoman, re perceptions of the USSR: I’m greatly amused by the revisionism of recent years. Reagan was swept into office promising to counter the mighty Societ juggernaut with any force necessary, from a massive military buildup to harebrained Rube Goldberg schemes like MX and SDI to support for regimes that made the USSR look good. The rest of us were appalled at everything Reagan was doing in order to “be stronger than the bear — if there is a bear”, and kept trying to point out that the “bear” was emaciated and toothless.

    After the Soviet Union collapsed, suddenly Reagan’s measures, which had been billed originally as vitally important defenses against a mighty enemy, were rewritten as a brilliant feint intended to knock down a rotten, feeble regime.

    Oh, and by the way: thanks a heap for the great job you guys did at rehabilitating the former Soviet Union. We can all look to the vibrant economy and sturdy democracy of modern Russia to see where pseudo-con policies are leading us.

  18. We’ve made them free

    Who? The Iraqis? They’re not free; they can’t get rid of us, and they’re not safe. That’s freedom?

  19. ‘The United States has historically been a beacon of democracy’? I don’t mean to state the obvious, but since when, and to whom?

    I should clarify that I didn’t mean to state that we’re perfect, or that we’re an ideal example. But I think it’s hard to deny the fact that our country has one of the longest-standing democratic governments in the world. I think it’s important to criticize the things we love, and we must be able to point out the flaws and the deep problems in our history. But we also have to recognize where we went right. One thing that really stood out to me while traveling through Europe was that, as much as most of the people I spoke to there opposed the current U.S. government and the Iraq war, they were almost always quick to bring up WWII as a shining example of where we went right. And I believe that. Did the allied forces kill a whole lot of people? Yep. But it absolutely did more good than bad; it absolutely had an amazing effect on sustaining democracy in western europe.

    We aren’t perfect. There have been lots of problems, and too often our democracy has only benefited a privileged class. But that doesn’t mean that we’re all bad, and, as critical as I can be of the United States, I choose to live here because I really do believe that, for all our faults, we have a proud history of doing good and a bright future. I believe that our core values are democratic ones, and while change may come slowly, I think we’ll end up falling on the side of goodness. I think our history has shown us to be a beacon of democracy, even if we aren’t a perfect example. We’ve been better than most places. That doesn’t mean that we can be critical, or that we shouldn’t bring up the times when we’ve failed — that’s crucial. But it’s also dishonest to constantly position America as the worst of the worst.

  20. *puts on waders* Getting kinda deep.

    First, the NeoCon movement started as a movement to reform conservatism; to give it a heart. That lasted about as long as a cheap tissue. Today, the “neo” stands for conservatism (actually radicalism) without the fiscal restraint of the PaleoCons, which, to me, was their only redeeming feature.

    We were the becon of freedom and liberty but when we invade a country without casus belli, no matter how horrid the country, no matter how salutory the outcome, we become nothing more that the designated world bully.

    There are only two reasons for war, declared or undeclared:
    1. You or your vital interests been attacked by the country in question.
    2. You are in imminent danger of being attacked by the country in question; e.g., Israel in 1967.

    Yes, many of the Dems voted for war with Iraq. However, they and the American People (and many Republicans for that matter) were sold on the fact that reason 2 existed. It did not. The war was based on lies. There were facts in evidence that the administration “knew or should have known” dictated against war. They acted in “reckless disregard of the truth.”

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