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Rebecca Traister at Salon has a good piece on Vanity Fair’s Hollywood issue. You know the one — the cover features designer Tom Ford and two wax figures. Oh, wait. Aren’t those Keira Knightley and Scarlett Johansen?

You may ask yourself why they’re sitting next to a clothing designer yet wearing no clothes. He, of course, is fully dressed, though his manly hairy chest is on display. Well, see, this is Tom Ford’s Hollywood, Tom Ford being the guest editor for the issue, and his Hollywood apparently involves a lot of waxen nude women and nude women’s body parts. And racial stereotypes. But men get to keep their clothes on. Unless they’re black.

Oh, but the nudity on the cover was “accidental!” Just part of Tom Ford’s spontaneity.

As for Ford’s claim, to editor Jim Windolf, that it was an “accident” that he plopped himself in the middle of the cover shot (fully dressed, because only the chicks have to take it off), a quick glance at the magazine’s cover line (“Tom Ford’s Hollywood”), its cover-photo caption (“Ford’s Foundation”), its full-page contributor’s bio of Ford, the letter from editor in chief Graydon Carter titled “Vanity Fair’s Tom Ford Moment,” a story about the making of the magazine called “Welcome to Tommywood!” and multiple pictures of Ford (walking sexed-up 12-year-old Dakota Fanning to her photo shoot, taking a bite out of Mamie Van Doren’s inflated breast, strutting around in Wellingtons) provide subtle clues that there is nothing “accidental” about Ford’s megalomania.

Not everyone got on board with the nudity, which came as a surprise to the actors and actresses who showed up for the photo shoot. But whether those objections were honored depended on which set of parts the objector had between the legs. First, the story of Rachel McAdams, of the female persuasion:

Rachel McAdams (“Wedding Crashers,” “Red Eye,” “The Family Stone”), one of the women scheduled to pose for this year’s cover, arrived at the photo shoot only to learn that Ford wanted her naked. I had not thought a willingness to disrobe was a condition of appearing on the front of Vanity Fair, but reluctant ecdysiast McAdams not only lost her spot, she is mentioned in the magazine only as “a certain young actress” who “bowed out when the clothes started coming off,” thus squelching “Ford’s plan of having a gorgeous female threesome.” There you have it, ladies, straight from Vanity Fair: We don’t care if you star in three successful movies in one year; if you won’t get naked for a “threesome,” you can forget your spot in our pages!

In other words, Rachel, it’s all your fault you’re not part of Tom Ford’s Hollywood, because you’re clearly frigid, and that will never do. Yet those with boy parts somehow got accommodated:

But the terms of inclusion seem shaky in other ways as well. Vanity Fair editors write that Miramax pugilists Bob and Harvey Weinstein balked at Ford’s idea of photographing them mud wrestling, and Ford tells Windolf that “Munich” star Eric Bana “wasn’t comfortable” appearing in just a Speedo. Why is it OK that the Weinstein boys appear next to each other in suits, Bana got to wear a robe, but Rachel McAdams is not in the magazine? Why is it OK to run a photograph of a plastic surgeon in the Hollywood issue, but not a single director or screenwriter who’s not also an actor? Maybe all this isn’t even worth pointing out. As the L.A. Times’ Robin Abcarian wrote about V.F.’s cover, in Hollywood “the combination of the dressed male and the naked heterosexual woman is merely a metaphor for how things are, have always been, and will probably always be.”

And not only were the women encouraged to be nude, their bodies were visually hacked up into disembodied parts for the pleasure of the men, who remained intact:

Aside from himself, what has Ford chosen to feature in his vision of Hollywood? By the numbers: Seventeen women (average age 31) and 19 men (average age 34). There are 16 visible female nipples (erect or exposed) to 17 recognizable female faces. Only five of the women are over 30, and two of them — 75-year-old Van Doren and 38-year-old Pamela Anderson — are honored not for their talents, exactly, but for their identities as “The Breast Friends.” There are three female ass-cracks, one naked headless woman (in a photo of “Shopgirl” star Jason Schwartzman), two manicured female feet (for Viggo Mortensen to tickle), one pair of shapely female legs (upside down, for Topher Grace to maneuver as if he might at any moment spread them and dive) and one giant Dada-ist breast on a golf course in front of a featured plastic surgeon.

There’s much to be said about the appeal of a well-placed arm, leg, breast. But extremities tend to be more compelling when attached to, say, a body. Ford is not celebrating the female form: He’s hacking it apart and selling off the parts to male stars in need of girl-flesh to gussy up their own boring images. (For more on the use of disembodied lady parts as sales devices, see Women’s Studies 101 chestnut “Killing Us Softly.“)

Apparently, in Tom Ford’s Hollywood, women are just props, without a life of their own or personalities, and somehow he managed to have all the life sucked out of the women who posed for the issue, with the exception of Michelle Yeoh (and really — can you imagine anybody sucking the life out of her?). The effect is strangely unsexy, despite all the nudity. I suppose it might have to do with the fact that Tom Ford is someone who is not only gay, so not sexually interested in women, but whose business is dressing women. He spends a lot of time around mannequins and dress forms, which have no heads, and fit models, whose job it is to keep still and just wear the clothes. Now, most gay male designers probably have no problem viewing women as human beings, but combine a professional detachment towards women’s bodies with lack of attraction to them and a raging ego, and you have Tom Ford’s Hollywood.

And let’s not forget the images of submission and infantilization:

Ford shows us a girl on a car — the relatively unknown Michelle Monaghan, splayed upside down so that she’s further unrecognizable — and 10 pages later, a girl in a car. (Zooey Deschanel, dubbed “The Living Doll” and dressed in lacy tights with legs in the air for a particularly twisted piece of cheesecake; it looks as if she’s been kidnapped and stuffed in the back of the car, awaiting assault.) In contrast to the maturely decked-out child-star Fanning, Ford pictures Reese Witherspoon, Oscar nominee and mother of two, in a baby-doll dress, clutching a dolly. Witherspoon’s photo caption reads “The American Beauty,” but it looks like she should be called “Betsy-Wetsy.”

It doesn’t end there, of course. Misogyny is not the only order of the day. Oh, no. We have racial stereotypes to pound home as well:

But it’s Joy Bryant’s picture that is most disturbing. The African-American Bryant, her blurb tells us, earned straight A’s in Bronx public schools, went to Yale, scored roles in “Antwone Fisher” and “Get Rich or Die Tryin'”… and now appears in Vanity Fair, where she is called “The Wild Honey,” and photographed wearing expensive jewelry and nothing else. Congratulations, Joy Bryant, on breaking class and racial barriers so that you can be reduced to your breasts and bling on the pages of a national magazine!

To be fair, the V.F. men don’t win out, either, though they did get to keep more of their clothes. A couple (Joaquin Phoenix, looking like a Tiger Beat centerfold, and Eric Bana) are semi-shirtless; Jonathan Rhys-Meyers might be naked, but since he’s only photographed from the neck up, it’s tough to tell. Only poor Taye Diggs comes close to true bare-assed nudity — a black man on a bear rug, an image reliant on some of the most repugnant stereotypes of black male sexuality. Mostly, though, the guys are in suits and tuxes.

As Traister points out, this is a particularly disappointing issue for Vanity Fair because their previous Hollywood issues paid tribute to the families and histories of Hollywood, as well as the behind-the-scenes talent (Ford included no directors or writers who weren’t also actors). They’ve also included photos of near-nude Hollywood stars that leave the impression that the sexuality in the shot is very much their own.

In the end, of course, controversy sells magazines.

As Liz Smith wrote in her syndicated column on Sunday, Graydon Carter is smart to have put out an issue that everyone is so angry about that they can’t stop buying it. According to Abcarian, V.F.’s Web site got 3.1 million page views on Tuesday and Wednesday, which spokeswoman Beth Kseniak called “a whole lot more than normal.”

But I won’t be buying.


64 thoughts on Speaking of Parts of Women

  1. I have no comment about the Vanity Fair issue, but something that has always bothered me is the stupid Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue that comes out every year. Those women are not athletes; what do they have to do with a magazine dedicated to “Sports”?

    On the other hand, if they wanted to have Serena Williams in a swimsuit…

  2. Beyond the basic misogyny: are Johansen and Knightley airbrushed so unrecognizably on purpose? They have fairly unique features – yes, they’re still blond, white, extremely skinny, and barely legal, but apparently that’s not enough, they need to be super-bleach-blond mega-generic waxy mannequins as well.

    And I wonder what the average age of the women would be if Van Doren were excluded. I bet it’d drop by at least 5 years.

  3. Great post – I heard about this Vanity Fair thing and it just overwhelmed me. I didn’t even know where to start. You have summed it up eloquently.

    …smart to have put out an issue that everyone is so angry about that they can’t stop buying it.

    But I won’t be buying.

    I won’t be buying either. Of course, I never buy Vanity Fair, but I definitely won’t start this month.

  4. Man, lighten up. Ford’s just an uncaring utilitarian aesthete, as you intimate. I don’t get it: I don’t feel the urge to complain about misandry when I see a bunch of male hollywood mannequins with square jaws posing as robotic penis props in an issue of GQ.

    Oops, I forgot: my kind RUN THE WORLD, and thus are practically insensitive to such intricate grievance politics.

    Carry on, my adorable little angry worker bees.

  5. while i agree about johansen (can’t see what all the fuss is about) i think keira knightly has proved herself to be a fine actor with a great range. please be sure to see her version of pride and prejudice, as well as her comic turn in pirates of the carribean. she’s quite good.

    also, the idea of clothed men and naked women is at least as old as that manet painting (which, by the way, i recently saw at the musee d’orsay in paris last november. sophisticated? you bet i am!), and, while not i don’t say that it’s a good thing, it is, at least, an old tried-and-true idea for attention-getting.

  6. I don’t feel the urge to complain about misandry when I see a bunch of male hollywood mannequins with square jaws posing as robotic penis props in an issue of GQ.

    *is all a-flutter at Bill’s strikingly appropriate parallel*

    *admires his grasp of Advanced Logic *

  7. SISI is a tableau of too skinny models but I hear runway trapsing will be in the next Olympics. Seriously, someone recently said the average model was 8% under “normal” weight a few years ago but it’s now 23%. They don’t excite any lust in me at all but excite only my vestigial maternal instinct. I just wanna feed them. “Put down the lettuce leaf, dear, and eat your nice pot roast.”

    Now if they put real female athletes like ya know swimmers in those swim suits, or those skaters or….or…I’m sure I had something intelligent to say but the mental image of Serena in a thong has reduced me to utter babblelingism.

  8. GET ME A SNAPPLE, MY VULVAR SLAVES! MY PINK PROLETARIANS!

    And for Christ’s sake, take those clothes off.

    A Snapple? Sure? In which orifice do you want it stuffed?

    Huh? Not your ass? Oops, silly female me! I was confused after you said, “Take those clothes off” becuase you wouldn’t need to remove any clothing if you’d wanted it in your mouth.

    My bad.

  9. also, the idea of clothed men and naked women is at least as old as that manet painting (which, by the way, i recently saw at the musee d’orsay in paris last november. sophisticated? you bet i am!), and, while not i don’t say that it’s a good thing, it is, at least, an old tried-and-true idea for attention-getting.

    Well, like Shannon said, it’s been done. Why not do the naked men and clothed women for once?

    Also, that Manet painting, The Luncheon on the Grass,” has been copied before, with controversial results.

  10. A Snapple? Sure? In which orifice do you want it stuffed?

    Rowr, a feisty one. Daddy likes.

    Huh? Not your ass? Oops, silly female me!

    A nuagh-tay girl, daddy likes even more.

    Now seriously, drop trou. And make that a diet “Kiwi Teawi.”

    AND BRING MY HAT AND WALKING STICK!

  11. Why not do the naked men and clothed women for once?

    This could simply reflect an aesthetic fear of the penis, which – let’s face it – tends to rear its rascally head at the darndest times, like a fleshy pink gila monster.

  12. AND BRING MY HAT AND WALKING STICK!

    No sir.

    A hat and walking stick are a mark of class. Whatever you got, class ain’t it.

  13. Apparently, in Tom Ford’s Hollywood, women are just props, without a life of their own or personalities

    Well, yeah. Ford was featured in a photo spread in W a few months ago in which he posed with 3 different RealDolls. It was really creepy.

    So the VF “spontaneous” idea wasn’t even original on his part, except that this time the models actually had a pulse.

  14. Why not do the naked men and clothed women for once?
    This could simply reflect an aesthetic fear of the penis, which – let’s face it – tends to rear its rascally head at the darndest times, like a fleshy pink gila monster.

    What zuzu said. Also, I love how this personal distaste is represented as some kind of universal “aesthetic.” Is an undraped wang as disgusting a sight as two dudes in cowboy hats kissing?

    Also, this whole thing….

    A nuagh-tay girl, daddy likes even more.

    Now seriously, drop trou. And make that a diet “Kiwi Teawi.”

    AND BRING MY HAT AND WALKING STICK!

    This is not my thread. And I get that you’re kidding–and it’s hi-fucking-larious, honest–but this makes me really uncomfortable.

    If someone wrote a post about the racial dynamics reflected in the photographs, and made some general statements about the implications re: racism in society at large, and a white commenter had his or her those-crazy-hypersensitive-liberals button pushed, and responded with, “[creative racist slur] [creative racist slur] [joking reference to demeaning servitude],” would that not be considered out of line? What if he or she just kept going?

  15. If someone wrote a post about the racial dynamics reflected in the photographs, and made some general statements about the implications re: racism in society at large, and a white commenter had his or her those-crazy-hypersensitive-liberals button pushed, and responded with, “[creative racist slur] [creative racist slur] [joking reference to demeaning servitude],” would that not be considered out of line? What if he or she just kept going?

    You’re right, piny.

    Bill, you’re out of line. Make another comment like that and you’re out.

  16. It _is_ out of line, and he _will_ keep going. Unless we can effectively ignore him until he goes away.

  17. As for nude man/clothed woman photos, just one immediately comes to mind – the famous Annie Leibovitz photo of John & Yoko, which I’ve always thought is beautiful. (And apropos to the comment about Leibovitz not being relevant since the 80s.)

  18. What zuzu said. Also, I love how this personal distaste is represented as some kind of universal “aesthetic.” Is an undraped wang as disgusting a sight as two dudes in cowboy hats kissing?

    I was unserious. I thought the rascally gila monster metaphor would give that away.

    If someone wrote a post about the racial dynamics reflected in the photographs, and made some general statements about the implications re: racism in society at large, and a white commenter had his or her those-crazy-hypersensitive-liberals button pushed, and responded with, “[creative racist slur] [creative racist slur] [joking reference to demeaning servitude],” would that not be considered out of line? What if he or she just kept going?

    But

    A. Your comparison doesn’t hold up, as I didn’t use anything remotely analagous to racist slurs – rather parodying the idea that some patriarchal system of oppression – characterized by ordering women around – is directly represented by Tom Ford taking photos of naked women. As far as ..

    [joking reference to demeaning servitude],” would that not be considered out of line?

    … no, not if the reference lampooned the idea. Satirists and comedians do this all the time. Very dependent on context – you are not establishing a logical premise.

    Calling women “bitches” or something similar in the course of the characterization would be a closer parallel to what you’re talking about, the blurring between poking fun at the activity and engaging in it.

    As it is, the point is presented in the post that women are ordered around and used as props by a male as a symptom of a larger dynamic – and I am lampooning the premise with phrases only as horrific as “drop trou” (which is a strictly silly descriptive for getting naked as represented in the post, and not sexualized) and bring me a “diet Kiwi Teawi.”

    B. I “kept going” in response to a commenter mentioning wanting to put a snapple bottle UP MY ASS.

    So by your logic – not mine – who should feel “uncomfortable” after merely authoring this line …

    GET ME A SNAPPLE, MY VULVAR SLAVES! MY PINK PROLETARIANS!

    … which is so ludicrous in form as to defy rational offense.

    Oh that’s right, I don’t get to feel uncomfortable, because I’ve got the penis.

    SO while I respect that this is your forum, and I’ll indeed respect your rules and sensitivities (to a reasonable extent), I’d appreciate keeping the parallel critiques logical, and appreciating the context, specifically with regards to the exchange and intent.

    And if none of this sways you, let me ask you this:

    How would you feel – piny, Jill, zuzu or whoever – if you wrote something that I didn’t like, and instead of me mocking it by ordering you to “get me a diet snapple,” I threatened to shove something up your ass?

    You’d be angrily chastising me for using violent imagery is what you’d be doing.

  19. One slight correction to this line:

    … no, not if the reference lampooned the idea. Satirists and comedians do this all the time. Very dependent on context – you are not establishing a logical premise.

    Should say “you are not establishing a universal premise,” to be more specific. the logic is situational.

  20. Bill, if you’d left it at the first post, you might have an argument that it was just parody. But you crossed the line when you responded to Kyra with the “naugh-tay girl” shit.

    And she made no threat to you. After all, she was simply parodying the patriarchal idea that women who are ordered around are happy to comply. She just lampooned the idea of the compliant vulvar slave. Satirists and comedians do this all the time.

    Whassa matter, can’t you take a joke? Don’t you have a sense of humor?

  21. Actually, Bill, while satirists and comedians poke fun at sacred cows, it’s only really funny when they’re speaking truth to power. Which is why it’s funny when members of an oppressed group make jokes about the oppressors, but not so funny when the oppressors use ridicule to further oppress. Members of the oppressor class can be quite funny when they comment on their own, however.

    Comedy, after all, is often very angry.

    Your first comment contained, in my opinion, enough self-mockery that it didn’t cross the line. Your second moved into menace.

  22. Bill:

    it just wasn’t as funny to us as it was to you. Explaining or defending it won’t make it so, either. Mainly because that sort of shit has been done to death, and we’re tired of it. It may, *MAY*, be funny in person (so the mocking tone of voice comes across, a damned difficult thing to do in print) *WITH* the right audience, in the right context. That would not be here, in any way.

    It wasn’t funny, Bill. Please face that fact, and then drop the faux parody BS. Thanks.

    BTW: the REALLY unfunny thing about it is the patronizing “tone” of calling someone a “girl” and referring to yourself as “daddy”. That term useage also implies incest, which is SO not funny. Did you think of that when you started to write humor/parody? I’m all for humor, some of it pretty raunchy, but that really did cross a line.

  23. zuzu –

    Bill, if you’d left it at the first post, you might have an argument that it was just parody. But you crossed the line when you responded to Kyra with the “naugh-tay girl” shit.

    My intent with the second post was to turn a joking (but clear in meaning) implication of violence by the other commenter (which didn’t bother me, I appreciated her response) into an infuriating twist – a chauvanist parody of the patriarchy, if you will: A guy that’s so confidently sleazy and ignorant to someone actually reviled by him, that he interprets it as an exciting (and bizarre) sexual advance rather than a threat. I mean, snapple bottle up the wazoo? HAWT. Not particularly original humor, and obviously didn’t work, but meant unseriously nonetheless.

    And she made no threat to you. After all, she was simply parodying the patriarchal idea that women who are ordered around are happy to comply. She just lampooned the idea of the compliant vulvar slave. Satirists and comedians do this all the time.

    I know this(!) and wasn’t bothered by it in the least. Note my very specific language (bolded):

    So by your logic – not mine – who should feel “uncomfortable” after merely authoring this line

    It didn’t bother me, my instinct was to just tweak her back. I was simply applying piny’s logic to another comment that used unserious language, but could potentially be taken by someone as offensive.

    I understand how this all gets convoluted and don’t diminish that piny has an overarching logical point about how lines blur between what we mock and actually engaging in the behavior that we’re mocking. And I agree that the follow-up post pushed that line, not to mention wasn’t all that hilarious. And I also realize that it’s a totally ballbusting maneuver to use the form on a site dedicated to feminist issues.

    But please appreciate that I didn’t mean the comments to represent or push actual attitudes – rather parody them while also parodying the concept that they are as omnipresent as to be represented by a gay fashion designer photographing naked Hollywood actresses.

    Again, no offense intended, I appreciate piny’s overaching point, and I’ll endeavor to settle down with pushing that envelope when intent on busting chops, so as to not step on anyone’s toes. Which, you know, is hard.

  24. BTW: the REALLY unfunny thing about it is the patronizing “tone” of calling someone a “girl” and referring to yourself as “daddy”. That term useage also implies incest, which is SO not funny.

    That’s a bizarrely sensitive interpretation, as comics as mainstream and diverse as Jay Leno and Dane Cook use the “daddy” line to illustrate a sleazeball chauvanist. So I reject that.

    As far as it not being particularly funny, see comment above.

  25. Actually, Bill, while satirists and comedians poke fun at sacred cows, it’s only really funny when they’re speaking truth to power. Which is why it’s funny when members of an oppressed group make jokes about the oppressors, but not so funny when the oppressors use ridicule to further oppress. Members of the oppressor class can be quite funny when they comment on their own, however.

    And therein lies the situational nature of humor. I reject the constant repetition of the idea that white males are oppressors as an exagerrated concept, and thus it works better for my sensibility – but mocking the idea on a feminist site can only work in two ways: if the mockery is so light as to fly under the radar, and so funny as to minimize the offense. The second comment that I made failed on both counts, hence your menace interpretation, which I understand, even if that was not my intent.

    As Lauren said, otherwise needs to be ” right audience, in the right context.”

    I’ll just restate that it was not my intent, I’m not defending the success of the subsequent humor (esp. given the audience), and I’m sorry to anyone that found it menacing.

  26. I didn’t know this was the “Bill Comedy Hour”…

    good thing I didn’t buy tickets lol 😛

    And an old comedy rule…. if you have to explain the joke, it isn’t funny to begin with.

  27. And an old comedy rule…. if you have to explain the joke, it isn’t funny to begin with.

    Brilliant quip, Mark. Seeing as my explanation

    A. admitted as much

    B. was just trying to explain why I didn’t intend actual misogyny, not why the joke was funny.

    But hey, go on with your bad self.

  28. Bill, seriously. Quit while you’re ahead.

    Pictures of Tom Ford his bad self do not count, because Tom Ford controls the nudity in Tom Ford’s Hollywood, and if Tom Ford feels like stripping off, Tom Ford can do just that, and nobody can say a word, unless it is “Fabulous body, sir.”

    Note the absence of visible genitalia.

  29. Pictures of Tom Ford his bad self do not count, because Tom Ford controls the nudity in Tom Ford’s Hollywood, and if Tom Ford feels like stripping off, Tom Ford can do just that, and nobody can say a word, unless it is “Fabulous body, sir.”

    Ah, I see, So Scarlett Johansen and Keira Knightley are slaves, pressured to do Tom Ford’s bidding, whereas Tom Ford is merely in control of his own destiny when HE poses nude.

    Way to infantilize women. And no, I’m not joking in the least. This perpetual grievance rhetoric paints women out to be weak, not strong and capable of asserting themselves in the face of the desires of others. Your hypocrisy regarding Tom Ford choosing to pose naked vs. Knightley and Johansen being pressured into it underscores the idea that women are less capable of making rational decisions for themselves, as Rachel McAdams, Knightley and Johansen all respectively did.

    Presumably your original comment …

    But men get to keep their clothes on. Unless they’re black.

    which I’ve just proven objectively false – intimates that black men are also *forced, pressured* to pose naked?

  30. Bill’s report card:

    Humor: D-
    Logic: D
    Coherence: C-
    Tediousness: A
    Verbosity: A+
    Engaging wit: zzzzzzzzzzz

  31. Tedious is right.

    Bill, we’re talking about Vanity Fair, not W. Tom Ford is the guest editor of the Hollywood issue of VF, therefore, yes, he pressured women to do his bidding. Remember, Rachel McAdams was supposed to be on the cover, but she did not want to do nudity (which, incidentally, she had not been told about in advance). Men who objected to nudity or undignified photos were allowed to stay, clothed and dignified.

    And yes, the only nude or near-nude man in the issue, which is the only thing relevant to the analysis, is a black man. So you haven’t scored any points there.

    Read the damn post before you start gloating.

  32. magi –

    I’d hit you back, but we all know that whatever I say will simply underscore my misogyny.

    Oh … “hit.” Damn.

    Mark –

    I love your spirit, but I’d dial back that easy-breezy confidence. It may feel natural to you, but odds are you’re casually oppressing.

  33. And an old comedy rule…. if you have to explain the joke, it isn’t funny to begin with.

    I found it pretty damn funny. This:

    GET ME A SNAPPLE, MY VULVAR SLAVES! MY PINK PROLETARIANS!

    Made me lawl. At work, no less. But I’m not sure if my opinion on what’s funny or not funny is valid, since I may or may not be part of the power to which truth is spoken.

  34. Bill:

    I’d hit you back, but we all know that whatever I say will simply underscore my misogyny.

    Misandry, dear boy. And, actually, that was very funny. You see, you can do it if you don’t try.

    Rules to live by:
    When in hole, quit digging;
    When nobody buying, quit selling;
    If nobody laughing, don’t quit day job;
    If audience sleeping, speech over.

  35. My intent with the second post was to turn a joking (but clear in meaning) implication of violence by the other commenter (which didn’t bother me, I appreciated her response) into an infuriating twist – a chauvanist parody of the patriarchy, if you will: A guy that’s so confidently sleazy and ignorant to someone actually reviled by him, that he interprets it as an exciting (and bizarre) sexual advance rather than a threat. I mean, snapple bottle up the wazoo? HAWT. Not particularly original humor, and obviously didn’t work, but meant unseriously nonetheless.

    Uh, or a guy so confident in the degree of the power disparity that he knows he has no reason to take a woman’s anger seriously. “You’re so cute when you’re angry!” is a gendered cliche. And, “A feisty one. Daddy likes.” Dude. I get that you were joking, and I understand the satire you were trying to convey, but that’s not just classic chauvinist sleazeball. That translates to, “I’ve probably committed date rape at some point.” “Feisty” means, “Emphatically resisting my advances.”

    B. I “kept going” in response to a commenter mentioning wanting to put a snapple bottle UP MY ASS.

    Yeah, in response to your “joking” sexist bullshit. If you want to play it that way, fine: she wasn’t telling you she wanted to shove a Snapple bottle up your ass. She was telling your j/k-misogynist-asshole persona that she wanted to shove a Snapple bottle up his ass.

  36. Bill, we’re talking about Vanity Fair, not W. Tom Ford is the guest editor of the Hollywood issue of VF, therefore, yes, he pressured women to do his bidding.

    No, my point remains. The question is – considering that you’re making a point about objectification of women in the Vanity Fair issue under Tom Ford’s patriarchal puppetry – who objectified and pressured Ford in W Magazine?

    Does that also count as objectification? Can Ford having women pose naked count as misogyny, or unique objectification of womenfolk as props, when he’s willing to use himself in the exact same way? As a naked prop? Are only black men and women victims, as you intimate? What about Ford, as a gay man? Doesn’t being gay also give him some victim cred?

    Or maybe – just maybe – is the issue all just a reflection of his aesthetic sense, rather than some overarching feminist allegory?

    Because I have to tell you, that’s how most people see it. that’s how most people see a lot of things, instead of constantly hunting for examples and sexist metaphors to concomittantly become outraged over as well as validate one’s worldview, which is a glimpse at the world perpetually warped by the prism of aggrieved gender identity politics.

    I suppose that it will suffice to say that we disagree, and I’ll leave it at that.

  37. That translates to, “I’ve probably committed date rape at some point.” “Feisty” means, “Emphatically resisting my advances.”

    The old stereotype of the persistent, overconfident and clueless male suitor does not default to represent RAPE.

    I believe Goldstein came in for similar criticism over a remark to Jill awhile back, and many folks on this board looked like clowns for defaulting to such an extreme interpretation of the “overconfident dumbass male archetype.”

  38. Apples and oranges, Bill. He wasn’t editing the W piece. He was the talent.

    But even if he were perfectly happy to strip down and roll around naked with two fake women for W, when he got the chance to pose with two real women, AND he was the one calling the shots, he kept his clothes on and he made the women take theirs off.

    To repeat: when he had the power to dictate who got naked and who didn’t, it was the women and the black man who got naked. The white men all had their clothes on, and only some of the women did. The woman who objected to nudity got fired, the men who objected got accommodated.

  39. The old stereotype of the persistent, overconfident and clueless male suitor does not default to represent RAPE.

    When “fuck off, you fucking asshole,” or words to that effect–like, say, threatening to shove something up the male suitor’s ass–does nothing to deflate that overconfidence, yeah, I think it does. If your passion is inflamed by a woman attempting to fight you off, the difference between consensual and forced has flown right over your head. The problem with jokes about “persistent, overconfident, and clueless” men is that they don’t know what rape looks like, either.

  40. Bill—

    It didn’t bother me, my instinct was to just tweak her back. I was simply applying piny’s logic to another comment that used unserious language, but could potentially be taken by someone as offensive.

    You responded back with “Now, seriously” as a part of your so-called joking, which is generally a phrase that indicates one is no longer joking.

    In addition, I wholeheartedly agree with Laurie regarding “daddy” and “girl.” “Drop trou” is also decidedly disturbing.

    Thanks, everybody who called him on this stuff while I was away!

  41. Yeah, in response to your “joking” sexist bullshit. If you want to play it that way, fine: she wasn’t telling you she wanted to shove a Snapple bottle up your ass. She was telling your j/k-misogynist-asshole persona that she wanted to shove a Snapple bottle up his ass.

    While using another sexist stereotype (that of the incompetent female) to get away with it. That is, you can’t expect women to be inferior enough to justify their enslavement AND expect them to be smart enough to understand your orders perfectly.

  42. when he had the power to dictate who got naked and who didn’t, it was the women and the black man who got naked. The white men all had their clothes on, and only some of the women did. The woman who objected to nudity got fired, the men who objected got accommodated.

    You’re using heterosexual privilege to frame the narrative solely in terms of the male:female dichotomy. This completely ignores the sexual orientation of the shoot participants.

    As a homosexual, it would be personally distasteful for Ford to be placed in an eroticized context with women. The fact that he is wearing clothing is a symbolic validation of his choice to separate himself from female sexuality. What you are viewing as an objectionable embrace of Ford’s sexual power is in fact a sensitive and appropriate accommodation of his feelings of sexual powerlessness within the sociosexual dynamic depicted visually by the cover shot.

  43. I think Ford’s earlier decision to pose with Realdolls is very telling. Male fashion designers see fashion as ART, the women are the canvas, and not much else. Which explains why so much “High Fashion” is downright preposterous. I also helps explain Tom Ford’s pictures in Vanity Fair: The women, like Realdolls, are really just his props.

    The women designers ( Coco Chanel, Stella McCartney, DKNY, Vera Wang, etc.) designed and design clothes women actually want to wear. Clothes that don’t tend to make us look ridiculous. In my experience, their clothes fit better and last longer, too.

    There are exceptions I know. Calvin Klein used to design some pretty fabulous clothes and I’m sure there are women out there trying to outdo the men on the runway by tossing reality and their own experiences aside. But generally speaking, women are better off buying clothes designed by women.

  44. You’re using heterosexual privilege to frame the narrative solely in terms of the male:female dichotomy. This completely ignores the sexual orientation of the shoot participants.

    Sorry. He’s still a white male, which means that, gay or not, he’s got privilege.

    As a homosexual, it would be personally distasteful for Ford to be placed in an eroticized context with women. The fact that he is wearing clothing is a symbolic validation of his choice to separate himself from female sexuality. What you are viewing as an objectionable embrace of Ford’s sexual power is in fact a sensitive and appropriate accommodation of his feelings of sexual powerlessness within the sociosexual dynamic depicted visually by the cover shot.

    You’re confusing sexual attraction with sexual power. He has a male privilege that he’s exercising. It’s also all about Hollywood, which has always presented heterosexual-male fantasies concocted by homosexual men, who have had to sublimate their own viewpoints and desires to fit the acceptable hetero mold. Often this takes the form of admiration of and identification with actresses, particularly those of the golden age of Hollywood. Do you think it’s a mistake that he featured Mamie Van Doren?

    But Ford didn’t put himself into the subservient (read: female) position when he put himself on the cover of the Hollywood issue. No, he took on the role of the dominant (read: hetero male). He doesn’t have to be attracted sexually to the women on the cover, since they’re playing role — which is basically to be set dressing.

  45. I’m sorry, Zuzu. I thought my use of the absurd linguistic style of the pomo ‘n relativism crowd would make it clear that I was, in fact, kidding.

    As should be anyone who starts talking about this kind of stuff. Isn’t there a war on, or a starving child somewhere, that could use some attention?

    I mean, Christ. Being aware of the existence of Vanity Fair is probably sufficient to mark someone as suspicious. Never mind reading it or thinking about its contents.

  46. Gee, Robert. If you don’t like what we’re discussing here, you’re perfectly welcome to address child starvation or war on your own blog.

    Ta ta. Don’t let the gate hit you on the way out.

  47. Thanks, Kyra. I’m actually glad that it disturbs someone else. As does the whole “Who’s your daddy?!” thing. Can anyone explain that to poor little me, who apparently spent my youth under a rock because I don’t get the point of that one? Really, it has always given me the willies….

    And no, I’m not an incest survivor. (Thank The Powers That Be!) I’ve just always found the tendency of grown men and women to call each other “Mommy” or “Daddy” (when not speaking directly to their very young children) disturbing.

  48. Laurie, the “who’s your daddy?” thing tends to be an amusement of men of the control-freak variety who find it arousing (and/or normal) for the power balance in their relationships with women to be modeled after the one between a father and his minor child, i.e. he has all the authority of parenthood over her, with the addition of sex into the mix. It is coupled with the belief on his part that this is the natural way a relationship should work, as the model interaction of authority and compliance between the superior and inferior they obviously are.

    Only time I’ve ever found it funny was when I read it on a shirt alongside a picture of Darth Vader, which was funny because it turned a sexist/controlling statement into what it is supposed to mean in plain English (making a play on Darth Vader being the father of Luke Skywalker). Every other time I’ve seen it I’ve been decidedly offended.

  49. Serena Williams is totally one of the women I’d go gay for. I’m just fascinated by her ass. It’s a shelf

    Hmm…I guess fetishizing Black women’s body parts is OK. The Hottentot Venus (or, in this case, sister Hottentot Serena) is alive and well.

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